Is the Liberal love affair with Islam going to destroy the West?
Love affair will destroy
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It will not destroy
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There are over 50 million Muslims in Europe, and they now have a migration crisis and a complete clash of cultures. In Cologne, Germany 1,200 women were sexually assaulted/raped in one single night by Islamic migrant men, and that's just the women that reported anything. And now Liberals are defending the religion, denying its basic anti liberal eschatology, and are now being led politically by its adherents. Keith Ellison is up for being the head of the DNC, and he's openly Muslim. Barack Obama was elected President. He was raised in the Muslim culture openly. Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton's right hand woman, was openly Muslim. Sadiq Khan, the now Mayor of Liberal London, England, is openly Muslim. Will Liberals hand over our nations to full Islamic Jihad before it is all said and done? Side: Love affair will destroy
The Islamization of Europe is under way and well past the point of no return, thanks to the shortsighted liberal politicians past and present. As their numbers grow they are becoming more assertive and are openly introducing their Sharia laws within the great tracts of the towns and cities which they have ''appropriated'', and are being elected into both central and local government positions of influence. In Britain the Islamic 'Trojan Horse' has already taken over schools by intimidating mainstream teachers out of their jobs and filling the vacant posts with Muslims who follow their own curriculum. The poor old broken down Brits huff and puff and bellow meaningless rhetoric at each other in the Houses of Parliament at Westminster, but they may as well yodel up the canyon. Everyone, including the politicians, have been brainwashed and conditioned by the P.C., brigade into being ''SHIT SCARED'' of making any statement which may land them in court for racially motivated incitement to hatred. The Islamic State's biggest ally comes from the western politicians and the apathetic public, that's you and me. Side: Love affair will destroy
Total nonsense. You're drinking the Breitbart kool-aid. I live in Britain. I can tell you categorically that the curriculum in public schools is completely secular and uniform throughout the relevant nations. There are areas of cities -- like in any big city -- where Muslims make up the majority of the community. However, what is legal or illegal anywhere else in the country, is also legal or illegal just the same in majority Muslim areas. You wouldn't say that the USA is "Sicilianized" just because some members of the Italian communities in New York and Chicago operate criminal rackets. The same way, the UK is hardly under Sharia just because some extremist Muslim gangs in London or Birmingham want to disobey the law of the land. Newsflash: criminals have existed. Criminals exist. And criminals will continue to exist. Just as the police have combatted crime, do combat crime, and will continue to combat crime. There's no sympathy for female genital mutilators, slavers, wive-sellers and suicide bombers, I can assure you. You should, however, turn your paranoid eye towards your own country, which at present is being run by an orange fascist oligarch supported by a community who sneer at intellect. Far more worrying to me than a few deeply misguided Muslim university graduate engineers who end up in Belmarsh prison for having too many Halloween sparklers. Side: It will not destroy
You are the type of fifth columnist filth to whom I was referring. There are none so blind as those who do not want to see, or as in your case, too dimwitted to notice what's happening under their noses. Have you not read the regular reports in your own national newspapers which list the 'no go zones' in your cities where schools have been taken over by hard line Muslims and the ongoing struggle the education authorities have trying to wrest these 'appropriated'' schools back into the mainstream education system? Are you going to tell me that you are unaware that your own government have admitted that they don't know how many 1000s of young girls have had their genitals mutilated under Muslim Sharia law. Dirt birds like you shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised never mind permitted to spew out your jaundiced liberal propaganda on social media. You may live in G.B. but clearly you may as well have been living on the moon. It's tow rags like you who give succor to the Muslim hardliners and whose eye-watering stupidity will soon see the hijacking of your country. Come back Enoch Powell, all is forgiven, Britain needs you to oust the growing disease of shitheads whose apathy is going to be instrumental in the demise of a once great nation. Side: Love affair will destroy
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It will destroy the western world because Islam is not a peaceful tolerant religion like they want you to believe. All the Muslims in America that say it is never been to the Middle East and refuse to. Another argument is that "only conservative Muslims are like that" only makes my point more because if they are "conservative Muslims" then they want to keep everything the way it is. Like traditions, the laws, etc. Which are all from the Quaran. Side: Love affair will destroy
This is the same false narrative we get every time in this debate. Are there Muslim terrorists? Yes. Is every Muslim therefore a terrorist? No. That's asinine. When Christianity first gained traction you must remember from history classes that they weren't peaceful either. In fact they were far more brutal than radical Islam today. But Crusaders aside, check the numbers since 9/11. The amount of death on U.S. soil from terrorist attacks was mostly the work of far left and far right white Americans. Your anarchists and neo nazis. The Christian bible has quite a bit of violence included in its scriptures too. But we aren't calling every Christian a Hitler reincarnate, are we? Since 9/11 only Arab attacks are galvanized in the media as "terrorist attacks". But in fact terrorists come from all walks. Our white neighbors who are maybe a holocaust sympathizer pose a far greater threat than our Muslim community. Side: It will not destroy
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It will certainly attempt to do so, as it is currently doing in Europe. Whether it will succeed or not is anyone's guess, though, given the wonderful diversity of people living here today (from college students who act like children to "feminists" who believe men are evil because women take lower-paying jobs than them), I hold little hope for our future. Side: Love affair will destroy
I don't know of any "Liberal love affair with Islam." What WILL be destroy the west is the hatred and "supremacy" of todays conservatives being worked into our Constitution! Liberals "ACCEPT" Muslims. They ACCEPT those parts of Islam that abide by OUR CONSTITUTION! Sharia Law does NOT abide by our Constitution, and I know of NO "liberal" that has ANY love for it. Muslims that come to America MUST live without it ... or go to prison, or worse. It would be nice if you people(?) would stop spreading alternative facts about liberals and HELP US make America great. All you seem to be able to do is make the world HATE America .... you do that SO well! Side: Love affair will destroy
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Nice thought, but I'm afraid it's no more than a fanciful notion. Look at the facts.. Europe is all but ''Islamized'' and the only thing likely to save America is President Trump's firm stand against unregulated Muslim immigration. Have you ever wondered why oil rich Muslim states such as Saudi Arabia and other non Muslims like japan, China, Russia and others all say no to Muslim immigrants? Side: Love affair will destroy
The west may exist but in a very different way to that of 15 to 20 years ago. Most European countries, especially France are permanently on a high state of emergency with armed troops patrolling through the streets of the main cities. I visit Nice and Paris a few times each year and the atmosphere in both those beautiful cities has changed dramatically for the worse. Cologne in Germany and Copenhagen have been described as the rape capitals of Europe. Gone are the days of a nice romantic trip to wander through the beautiful thoroughfares of Paris or amble up the Promenade des Anglais in Nice. These cities along with most of those in Europe are infested with aggressive, resentful young Muslim males committing crimes and generally looking for trouble. I have traveled extensively throughout Europe, bur especially France and can categorically state that the face of Europe has chanced very much for the worse,PERMANENTLY. Trump wasn't so wrong about Sweden where Muslim violent crime has their prisons bulging to overflowing and police stations having to act as temporary jails. The French are going to build a ''Glass Wall' around the Eiffel Tower in an attempt to deter Muslim extremists planting bombs. In the U.K. there is not a week goes by without the media, including the respected B.B.C, announcing that the security forces have thwarted Muslim terrorist plots to plant bombs and the arrest of the suspects along with their bomb making equipment. These scenarios are played out every day throughout Europe including Germany whose mad Chancellor open the flood gates by permitting the influx of 0f ''OVER ONE MILLION'' in 2016 alone. These peace loving, appreciative Muslims repaid this 'guilty conscience' motivated act of criminality by shooting 10 people dead in Munich. Special brochures had to be distributed to Muslim male immigrants throughout Europe explaining that it was unacceptable to rape women. The big danger here is that, like the I.R.A, atrocities in Northern Ireland people become immuned to the shock value of the terrorists bombs and shootings, not to mention the everyday violent crimes such as rape and countless muggings. It's the apathetic shitheads and those who live in denial in the 'leafy lanes' of cloud cuckoo land who are permitting this Muslim cancer to develop even further. President Trump has recognized this escalating danger and is taking decisive and prudent action to avoid the U.S, becoming another European Muslim Hellhole. CONSIDER THE EYE-WATERING COST FOR THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY MEASURES NECESSARY TO COMBAT THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS. CONSIDER THE ADDITIONAL COST AND UNNECESSARY ANXIETY AS WELL AS THE INCONVENIENCE COST ALL TRAVELERS HAVE TO ENDURE TO ENSURE THEY'RE NOT BLOWN OUT OF THE SKY OR CUT IN TWO WITH MACHINE GUN FIRE. CONSIDER THE HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS WHICH ARE NOT BEING BUILT AS A DIRECT RESULT OF MONEY BEING DIVERTED TO FIGHTING THE ''IMPORTED'' ''BLOODY WELL IMPORTED'' MUSLIM TERRORIST THREAT. Sooner or later even the shitheads will arise from their slumber and realize what is going on around. Alas, it will be, ''too late was the cry''. Side: It will not destroy
Why do you not mention the UVF and UDA atrocities? Or the atrocities committed b the British Army or the RUC? You know how many innocent Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians and Libyans have been murdered by NATO? The cost of war is astronomical, as you point out. But if you are as smart as you say you are, then you'll know that most of these wars were entirely avoidable. Far as I am concerned, the Western world has brought this plague upon itself. I, as much as anyone else, absolutely deplore terrorism. I think the IRAs attacks on civilian life were unjustifiable (as were the UDA's, the UVF's, the RUC's, and the British Army's), and I have no sympathy for a suicide bomber, or anyone who takes an innocent life. But that has to include the armies who have been doing it for nearly a century in the Middle East. Go back to British Petroleum in its founding days, and in the decades thereafter. You're familiar with the narrative in Iran? You know about the Afghan wars and the role of the British Raj in Khyber? You know about the Shah and Savak and the CIA coup to oust Mohammed Mossadegh? You know about the Mujahideen fighting the Russians and then being left holding their cocks while the Arabs send hit squads out to blow their brains out? Then you have the partitioning of Palestine and the ejection of millions of Muslims from the region, and the subsequent illegal appropriation of land that goes on still to this day. That's not to justify what extremist Muslims do (if my family were murdered by one of them, I would wish them a slow and painful death), however, were my family murdered by a British soldier or a drone or a carpet bombing, I would be equally aggrieved against the people who carried it out. You have to see both sides of the argument to understand why these people do what they do. The IRA broadly believed that the Catholic population of Northern Ireland had been short-changed and oppressed by the British government. That's true to a large extent: in the 70's and 80's, industry and jobs were largely controlled by Protestants. Catholics were seen as second class citizens. That all carries over from the formation of Northern Ireland, and even before that, British policy to divide and conquer. Now, obviously, we have a relative stability in Northern Ireland. There's fewer terrorist attacks, fewer punishments shootings and the streets are considerably safer than they were 30 years ago. You can go for a drink in Belfast and talk to Catholics and Protestants and Jews and atheists and generally there's no trouble. Thirty years ago that wouldn't have been possible. But it didn't come about by more war and more violence and more shooting. The reason we have relative stability now is because people realized that compromise had to be made. The British left Northern Ireland, the talks begun, devolution was secured so that we could -- not completely, but sufficiently -- make our own decisions for our own country, shared but divided as it may be. Gerry Adams turned out to be a very intelligent and reasonable man, as did Paisley, once they saw past their differences for the sake of common ground. You know, many of these Islamist organizations are led by very intelligent people. Hamas' leader has a degree in physics. Bin Laden held a degree in civil engineering and ran a very successful construction company. There are of course the ones without education whatsoever: the Taliban leadership are mostly ex-child refugees, completely uneducated, dimwitted, obsessed with the Koran and presumably inbreds. IS are clearly barbarians. But it's not always the case. Look at the UDA leadership: uneducated buffoons, most of them. Same as the UVF (the modern travesty bearing the name of a once well respected Army regiment, as I'm sure you know). IS need to be dissolved, that can be achieved by finding common ground with those Arabs and Muslims and Middle-Easterners who are intelligent enough and forward thinking enough to pursue it, along with the West. You know, as a Northern Irishman, an Irishman, or as a British man, (whichever designation you might prefer) that peace doesn't come by the continuation of war. It might subside for a while only because one side is sufficiently stronger than the other, but that's not peace. That's domination, and it always turns around somehow. Tit-for-tat was the policy of politicians and citizens of this country for decades, and it got us nowhere in the end. How can we expect to end the atrocities of these terrorists if all the West continues to do is add to their grievances towards us? You can't elicit obedience and respect by blowing the crap out of someone else's country, stealing their resources and leaving them high and dry. It will always come back to bite you in the arse. I'm appalled by what's happening in Germany and France right now (I have several German friends and my heart bleeds for what they're going through -- the fear and worry -- because I KNOW IT WELL. I know what it's like to be afraid to go outside and walk in a certain place in case I get kidnapped, tortured, shot, robbed, glassed, stabbed or blown up). But you know as well as I do, that bombing the shite out of the opposition won't solve the problem. What's happening in the world now, is a divide like Northern Ireland, just on a much, much bigger scale. The world's divided between East and West, probably the oldest divide known to the globalized generation. It's been going on since the Crusades and even before that, with the Romans. It won't end by the continuation of war. It can't. The idea is preposterous. How can violence end, if violence is how you intend to end it?? The outcome of that scenario is mutually assured destruction. And I don't want that. And I'm sure neither do you, and billions of other people. Side: Love affair will destroy
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I wonder whether it will - you know, it reminds me of a cartoon that I watched as a kid. Let's call the characters A, B, and C. So C seemed like a bad guy from his face. A said it is a bad guy. B said there is no correlation, and to prove it, I will help him. Now, at the end, C turned out to be a bad guy. You shouldn't be getting too emotional about the religion that the opposite side takes the other absolute. The consequences are, then, random. Side: It will not destroy
Let's assume for a moment your argument is correct. Let's assume too many Muslims will immigrate, or, that they will commit terrorist attacks. OK. So are we honestly to believe they will come in such volumes that quite literally ALL of Western society will be destroyed? That Muslims will end up running the show in everything that is now the West? No, that's really far fetched. It's probably not even close to mathematically possible. Nor are 100% of Muslims all pulling together to turn the West into Western Palestine. This is just alarm based on a far fetched slippery slope. Side: It will not destroy
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