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Is the US headed toward a civil war if either candidate wins?
So I'm not asking if you think a civil war will start regardless of which candidate wins? If Trump wins or if Hilaary wins, is a civil war scenario likely in a few years? It would be nice to believe not. I've heard the prediction different ways. Sone say it will be society against government and some say Trump could cause one. This geta me thinking if maybe either candidate could. Could they both cause a civil war? Your thoughts?
Well, not in the accepted sense of the term, but the U.S. will see widespread violent civil unrest from the non democratic Bongos and other ''hanger on'' ethnic groups who fear that the strong leadership of Donald Trump will see the derailment of their gravy train.
The ''something for nothing brigade'' will be outraged when they realise that the game is up.
If Hillary Medusa wins there will be a more peaceful, but nevertheless disruptive reaction from those Americans who object to, and despair at, the degrading of their country by uncontrolled immigration and the black's inability to compete in a white man's world.
The Bongo's who conveniently refuse to recognize that they are the architects of their own plight react to their shortcomings by rioting, looting, killing policemen, drug pushing and gangsterism.
The national anthem should be changed from, God Bless America, to ;- God save America.
What with you knowing the name of your own national anthem you must be in line to be the next President.
I usually allow for petty little shitheads like you and try to eliminate their meaningless smartass drivel by being more precise.
Maybe the lines from the national anthem, God Bless America, should be changed to, God save America, and especially from small minded filth such as Mint tea.
Try a drop of the hard stuff in your Mint tea, it might even put some lead in your pencil.
Well I recognise that I have many faults, but being wrong isn't one of them.
Now, without referring to any information source, quote to yourself, the titles of the Irish, the United Kingdom, the French and the German National Anthems, or any part thereof.
If you're honest with yourself, and I expect you to be, you'll realise the true extent of your arrogance and ignorance.
As it happens, and in common with most English speaking non Americans I do know the title of the National Anthem of your great nation but it is arrogant of you to expect this to be the case and ignorant of you not to know the Anthems of the nations whose immigrants formed the nucleus of the founding fathers of your country.
As an Irishman who has always lived in Ireland I am certain that my knowledge of America and the world in which I live is significantly superior to yours.
I can assure you, when and if I am wrong I am fully happy and capable of learning from it as well as be able to admit it without resorting to personal attacks and bashing. Oh quick correction, I did call you a diva. I'm sure in terms of personal attack that's not quite on par with "Petty little shit head" but I'm not a saint. I will admit to laughing a bit on it though.
As to your "challenge" I will fully admit ignorance on other countries anthem, as I have no typical or continuous exposure to said anthems, save a brief stint in Germany when I was very young and I didn't retain the information. Sadly, Canada was not a part of your list. That, however will not erase the fact that your continued over-reaction to a small correction is both unwarranted and silly.
Well, I live facing the sea in Bangor, County Down, ( Ballyholme Beach to be precise ) Northern Ireland and as I look across the Lough to the flickering lights of the County the Antrim coast line I find romantic memories filling my head and find it difficult to continue with this nastiness.
In ''the real world'' I'm a pleasant somewhat amorous sort of a chap but find the internet to be full of ''cyber hero's'' all too ready to pounce on the slightest slip up.
I made an accurate appraisal of your character when I stated that I expected you to be honest, and you were, not only with yourself but overtly with me and anyone else who may be reading this exchange.
Anyway, s'nuff of all that.
I didn't intend to annoy you but trust you will appreciate that I was only defending myself.
I wouldn't insult your intelligence by patronizing you, but you do seem to be a genuine and indeed an interesting person whose dogged persistence made me feel regretful for what you describe as an over-reaction.
That sounds like a lovely place that you live at. I myself live in the Blue Ridge and look forward to the fall foliage that is about to blanket my mountains in beautiful reds, oranges and sometimes purples. Thank you for your comment, I do appreciate your defense and perhaps I came across as crass so for that I apologize. "May brooks and trees and singing hills join in the chorus too, and every gentle wind that blows send happiness to you." Did I get that right? I hope I did, it sounds lovely.
Yes, you're spot on, one of the better known Irish Blessings.
Your own location sounds absolutely beautiful, even it's descriptive name evokes images of hazy blue, snow capped mountains set in an enchanted misty forest.
It sort of makes me wish I was there.
It's late evening here, 22.15 hours and I'll be retiring soon, so goodnight from Ireland and once again thanks for your company.
Highly unlikely. Despite all the hyped up media, people agree on the vast majority of issues - we just make mountains out of the molehills of actual difference. It seems to be in everyone's interest - the politicians, the media, the advocacy groups, the social media sites, etc., etc.
There is really no central focusing policy in which half of the country would actually be willing to destroy the country over like there was for the civil war of the 1860's.
Not saying the next few years will be better than they are now - I expect they'll be a bit worse, but civil war level is still not even on the horizon.
Clinton is very mainstream and does little to rock the boat. And if the public didn't go to war over a Black President they're not going to over a woman, either.
If Trump wins there also won't be a war. But, what you will see starting in the congressional elections 2 years later and every Predidential election of the future, would be a galvanizing of the new majority in this country. That would be everyone who is not white male against everyone who is. And they'll have the demographic numbers to win their way essentially for as far as the foreseeable future. So you could kind of refer to the outcome of a Trump victory for white men as "won the battle but lost the war."
You are a mindless deceptive Progressives AS ALWAYS.
How many times do you think we will keep hearing from deceptive idiots like you, that the Right is made up of white racists?
YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON!
IT IS THE EXTREMIST DEMOCRAT PARTY WHO PITS AMERICANS AGAINST AMERICANS FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES AS YOU HAVE JUST DONE ONCE MORE.
If there is another civil war, it would start from the divisive rhetoric from the Left. The civil war might start from what Democrats have done in the Black community, constantly race bating, insiting riots, constantly telling Black people they are still victims to the white man.
Not only did you say anything new with that post but you laced it with the types of insults you claim to be justifiable for banning. Hypocrite.
All the insults you routinely throw my way, from moron to progressive to democrat to punk to wino, etc, are character assassination attempts based on nothing more than your childish desire to rant.
More lies! I have never called you a punk, or wino.
The people I call morons, fools, idiots, all share something in common. They are liars, deceivers, etc. who constantly insult and label people who do not think as they think.
Read Hillary's words if you do not agree with what I just said. You will vote for an arrogant extremist party that spend their lives insulting those with differing opinions and beliefs.
You will vote for a person who calls MILLIONS of voters DEPLORABLE AND IRREDEEMABLE! To people like you, those on the Right are racists, homophobes, xenophobes, islamaphobes, sexists, etc. etc.
LOL, INSULTS? You total hypocrite! I guess your s@#&* doesn't stink.
That is who you are! Look in the mirror and live with who you are. I insult individual people for their deception, for their insulting labels, for supporting no restriction abortions when voting for this extremist Democrat party...... I call them Morons, fools and Idots.
Hillary labels millions of people she knows nothing of, as racists, etc. etc.
She calls them deplorable and irredeemable, and people like you will STILL vote for her.
Trump and the Republican party, do not support racism, or any of those other insulting labels put on the Right.
It's possible I've confused your history with SaintNow's history. But that's easy to do. Two ultraconservatives who sling mud and then hide behind the ban feature and then sling some more mud. You're like brothers from different mothers.
In addition to what IAmSparticus wrote, both you (and SaintNow) are on a constant campaign to push and spin the right and insult and smear the left. Your narrow band of conservative agenda is all you're about. The people you smear as progressives or liberals or atheists or whatever aren't all about the left, they discuss lots of other stuff in lots of other ways. Their opposition to you isn't a big conspiracy, it's simply opposition to you. Your strategy, however, is indeed one giant conspiracy, like you're the personal PR arm of all things conservative.
You sound just like Hillary and Obama. To hear them speak, one would think they were Republicans and actually care for all Americans. I fall over laughing every time I hear either of them give a speech. It's like listening Obama tell us how he woud bring both parties together, and how he thought the 8 Trillion debt was unpatriotic. It is now 19 TRILLION and he says nothing about it.
It's like hearing Hillary tell us how we must stop Trump because of his lies.
These eletists laugh at the American people. They are corrupt liars and people like you are either the most stupid people alive, or you are just as deceptive. The ends justify the means to these Liberal Democrats.
Now please tell me once more how you are not supporting no restriction abortions when voting for these radical pro abortion Democrats.
I need a good laugh!
Now don't forget to say what you ALWAYS SAY..... that the GOP are no better. LOL
"You sound just like Hillary and Obama." - You mean college educated, considerate and tolerant of all the diversity which makes up the US, realistic instead of ideological?
Meanwhile you trumpet on this site like it's your own Rush Limbaugh show.
You are so blind to your intolerance to those who do not think like you. You would have a big government force compliance with political correctness.
You are like some Liberal vigilanti who will force others to follow your ideology no matter what they think.
Arrogant eletes like you will force every state in the union to change their marriage laws, and people like you will force every public school to allows boys (who are dysfunctional enough to believe they are girls) in girls bathrooms.
You are the type who thinks his ideology supercede's an unborn baby's right to life!
Tolerance? Considerate? Educated? LOL, you are brainwashed and lack the simple humanity and intellect to see how screwed up your priorities truly are.
Nope. I'm not big government and have never said anything on this site to promote that. I'm not about political correctness or censorship and in fact I'm on record on this debate site and others saying folks like you have a right to post whatever you want to say and however you want to say it, it's just we have a right to do the same. Liberal vigilante? No. It's just when someone is a conservative blowhard then anyone who speaks to the contrary of them gets smeared as a liberal. Arrogant? I'm confident to speak my mind. That threatens you, which is why you ban me, and by defending your words by a shield you show yourself to be the arrogant one. Ideology? I am the opposite of ideological. I'm an independent moderate. My main schtick is pointing out to you absolute extremists that the simplified narratives you use to describe the world are wrong. And again, since you are so immersed in conservative ideology anyone who always has to speak out against your narrow and wrong view gets defined by you as belonging to an opposite ideology of your own.
And finally, tolerant, considerate, educated, is indeed what the majority of people on this debate site would use to describe my posts. They wouldn't be so kind with yours.
LOL, are you familiar with narcissism? You sound like a poster child.
You live in your own little world of denial, where supposedly you are an independent thinker.
I have read many of your posts, and they always end up supporting the Left's views on most issues. You kid only yourself. You are as Liberal as I have seen on this site and spend most of your time ridiculing Conservative opinion.
You just admitted your closed minded intolerant mentality when you said......
"My main schtick is pointing out to you absolute extremists that the simplified narratives you use to describe the world are wrong. And again, since you are so immersed in conservative ideology anyone who always has to speak out against your narrow and wrong view gets defined by you as belonging to an opposite ideology of your own."
So you call Conservatives like myself extremists and narrow and having wrong views. Gee, thanks for all that open mindedness and tolerance for opposing opinions.
THIS IS WHY YOU ARE BANNED. YOUR DOUBLE SPEAK! YOUR HYPOCRISY AND DENIAL OF WHAT YOU STAND FOR!
Narcissism is banning any voice that doesn't agree with yours because only yours can possibly be right.
You say my posts always end up supporting the left, but if your posts always support the right then the only possible thing someone can say if they don't agree with you would be what you would consider somewhere more left of your position.
Admitted I'm closed minded because I point out narratives are wrong. How is that closed minded? It is by definition the opposite of closed minded. It is saying a narrow narrative is not all there is to say or know on a topic and in most cases is simply wrong. That is not closed minded. It is being reasonable and open minded.
The rest is spin on the same.
All it takes for an independent observer to know whom is open minded and whom is closed is to look at the banning histories on this site. I come out 100% open minded, and you come out tied for the most closed minded.
All one has to do to see who is open minded is look at the issue of abortion.
Over 80% of the electorate want limits on abortions. You and the Democrat party want NO LIMIT! Who is the closed minded extremist? SPARE ME THE LIES OF HOW YOU DON'T SUPPORT NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS WHEN YOU VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS!
Tell me how my positions on the issues I speak to are extremist.
I am with the over 80% of Americans who think abortions should have limits!
I'm with millions of Americans who think that Gay marriage should not be forced on all states!
I am with millions of parents who believe homosexuality is not a topic to be spoken of in our public schools.
I am of the majority of Americans who do not believes boys(who dysfunctionally think they are girls) should be allowed to go in every public school bathrooms!
I am with the majority of Americans who want to keep our gun rights.
There is nothing extreme with my positions. It is you who is an extremist every time you vote for this extreme Democrat party.
You are an extremist when you do not scream at every Democrat who refuses to compromise with the GOP on 20 week limits for abortions(except in extreme cases). You should be tellling them you will not vote for them until they show the least amount of humanity when it comes to infanticide.
Infanticide could be ended in a year if voters took a stand! Yes, killing a baby weeks from birth IS INFANTICIDE to anyone who is not an etremist!
You are the extremist when you allow Big Brother to put walls of political correctness around every state and every public school.
What you call right wing extremism is what the vast majority of normal middle of the road Americans used to support.
Wake up! You have been brainwashed to fear what you should be supporting.
Ha ha ha ha ha. "All one has to do to see who is open minded is look at the issue of abortion." Meaning look at the one issue of your utter obsession. The issue you angrily narrow to your own talking points and ban any disagreement. The issue which in your mind trumps any other political topic or societal priority.
Let's look at each of those. "No restriction abortion" has been a debate multiple times on this site, we already addressed it with you, and practically no one in here agrees with you. The handful of states that do not expressly forbid late term abortion are an exception instead of a rule, the rights of people in each state to decide for themselves does not make the rest of us culpable for what every state does, there is no statistical proof of rampant late term abortions happening in those states, and both Republicans and Democrats are among the pro choice. Get over it. Stop acting like anyone who isn't a livid pro lifer is personally out there ripping babies out of pregnant whores.
Allowing boys in girls bathrooms... Look at the debate threads. I'm on record as saying this shouldn't have been a Presidential edict imposed nationwide. And otherwise I don't really see a bad risk since transgender folks have actually been going to the bathroom everywhere, both kinds of restrooms, anyway for decades and there hasn't been an explosion of rapes and such.
Clinton calling 25% of the electorate deplorable and irredeemable... Rabid hypocrite. Trump slams hispanics, slams women, slams Muslims, all of which amount to way more than 25%. And you personally insult everybody every day who doesn't share your own brand of narrow extremism.
And finally you claim I'm a Democrat instead of an independent. The problem with that claim, which I've already pointed out and you've ignored, is that any response short of total agreement with you is already labelled by you as Liberal/Left/Democrat. If for once your fool mouth would say something not so far up the right wing butt that we could have a decent conversation about it then we could meet in the middle and talk more like independents.
This is why I ban you from my debates. You as always are a deceptive person.
Those nine states that allow no restriction abortions are allowed to do so because the DEMOCRAT PARTY prevents the GOP 20 week abortion compromise (with extreme case exceptions)!
Who do you thnk you are kidding? LOL, what a deceptive fool you are!
When you vote for any of these no restriction Democrats, YOU ARE SUPPORTING TEARING THOSE BABIES LIMB FROM LIMB!
AGAIN you are a deceptive liar saying Trump is against all hispanics, women, muslims.
YOU FOOL! This is what I mean when I say you are deceptive just as Hillary is deceptive.
TRUMP SUPPORTS ALL THOSE GROUPS WHEN THEY ARE LEGAL AMERICANS.
He only comes down on illegal immigrants, Islamic terrorists, and those who would support them.
We are through here. You truly are a waste of time to debate!
Nope. We've also already debate that point as well. Both Democrats AND Republicans have voted against changing the definition of what amounts to late term. Pro lifers tried to expand it to block more abortions and the majority of people saw through their trick.
You repeat the same lies over and over and over again, no matter how many times the facts are thrown at you.
You don't care about what is true or not, you simply get off on having some perceived moral high ground. Your insecurities require you to be a moral crusader, fighting against the demonic left, because you are too damn insecure to simply hold your own political opinions like a normal person.
So in order to be open minded, one has to focus entirely on the one issue you like to talk about (it's clear at this point that you like to talk about it), and adopt your position and no others.
Not sure you understand what the term "open mind" means.
Yes, I know it is, these are literally folks who are conforming to their father. This is the end of man, you can call it civil, but they look like Cannibals and Barbarians to me.
Seriously, look with eyes. God gives eyes of Understanding, this is pure evil, and growing worse every day.
The cups have been poured, it's here, it's already wrapping up. This is judgement. What do you honestly think we will heal this way, do you honestly think Seeds Sown in Violence and Depravity will sprout Peace Love and Joy?
I'd be willing to bet a substantial amount of money that nobody on this website can get you to post a legitimate response as opposed to more religious conspiracies.
I've never jumped at end times messages, although I had an awareness of end times.
But now is, so you may want to take some time to listen and see for yourself. A closed mind can't see or hear, so if God is trying you reach you, He is knocking, but He will only show you if you open the door!
1 Peter says one day is as 1000 years, and 1000 years as one day. And he says that in context of the Lord is not slack on His promises regarding His return.
If you look at creation story 6 days on the 7th He rested.
Each year represents 1000 years of God's work in the world. Fulfilling prophesies and moving His purpose through time.
We are in year 6000. The 6th day, "day of creation of man"
Cain was marked, his 6th generation had doubled Cain's evil, and had declared vengeance x 70 x 7. Evil and violence grew, man became violent continuously. God said He saw the end of flesh. We are there again!
Then, Noah entered the Ark in his 600th year. Jesus said "it will be just like the days of Noah. "
What we see around us is every indication that we are in it. Jesus was clear what to look for.
If you can't see it, ask God to show you.
Video attached very enjoyable. This guy brings intellect and science into what the Bible says, and presents it all very well.
I ran into this guy's videos over the weekend, he is teaching on everything God has been personally showing me for months.
He also has a series on YouTube - "24 hours to learn the Bible," - insight galore!
This is end times light, things God seems to be opening up. This is not basic teaching, it's rich! It's crazy when God shows you a bunch of things you never saw before in scripture, then see He is randomly showing others you never heard of before, and they are seeing the same things He has been showing you.
This one will hopefully inspire you to watch his 24 hour series. He'll knock your sock off!
What FromWithin said actually echoes what Grenache said. That non-white males will become a group of people who are against white males. This isn't an implication of white racism, but an implication of a perception thereof. Furthermore, the idea that this perception would be highlighted and used by those on the left to ensure political success in the future indicates winning a battle but losing a war. It also indicates the politics of class divisiveness.
My confusion is not stemming from the inability of FromWithin to convince Grenache with insults, but rather why he would sling insults while essentially agreeing.
I disagree with the basic premise that "non-white males will become a group of people who are against white males". I think that such groups will come about that oppose groups whose identity is predicated upon being a white male (consciously or not), but said groups will also count white males as members.
I do agree that the Left will use those groups, primarily because those group will predominantly be of the Left, but that isn't itself a furthering of the politics of class division, but an inevitable outcome of the politics of class division.
That said, FromWithin insults pretty much everyone, even if they agree with him.
Who throws insults there Democrat ? Not your Democrat Elitists surely that is not the case. Should we take a trip back in time to refresh your brain dead memory ? Come on let's me and you have some fun Democrat ! You are ripe for the picking LET'S PLAY !
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
No, if Hillary wins because it will be status quo. If Trump wins, then yes, because Hillary's side will commit false flags galore to send the country into chaos so that Trump will be impeached etc.
I think there won't be unless Trump did something unrealistically bad that no one could think of or Hillary did. If Trump ordered mass amounts of people to line up while civilians shoot them, then something like that might happen, but I don't think it will get that far.
I think realistically we're looking at the Democrats fighting Trump to the end and losing cuz its a Republican Senate and probably soon a Republican Supreme Court. Etc.
Trump sure seems want to civil unrest if he loses (claiming that the only way he could lose places like Pennsylvania is if Hillary cheats, and claiming the system is rigged against him over and over), but there won't be a civil war. People have been predicting civil wars after damn near every election in recent history, there just isn't enough of a powder keg at the moment.
If TRUMP wins, we won't have to worry about a "civil" war. We'll have to worry more about the millions of Muslims that haven't YET turned against us ....OR.... the "Art of the Deal" he makes with Putin! (Let's see, how much profit can he make selling America, hmmmmm?)
Where did I say "Trump is the problem of Muslim Jihadists"??? I would say Trump is what Muslim Jihadists WANT! He will turn the millions of Muslims that are NOT against us into THEIR armies! (Just like Bush did!) Exactly what they want! REALITY CHECK!
I'm not worried about that. I think she will do as great a job as Obama has. Not much can be done about American citizens that become "would-be Jihadists" (except maybe .... make it harder for them to own assault weapons!)
Let's see, Under Bush and conservatives, nearly 3000 Americans dead IN AMERICA, and thousands MORE in Iraq and Afghan! Under Obama, less than 100 in America and similar in Iraq and Afghanistan! 5000+ against less than 200 .... I think the "blame" goes where it belongs ... conservative!