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Yes, they are being targeted No, they are making it up
Debate Score:67
Arguments:34
Total Votes:74
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Is the "War on Women" real?

There have been a recent number of articles written on the "War on Women".

Are the Republicans in melt down mode, or are the Democrats making it all up?

 

Here are a couple of links which point out it may just be real!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-war-on-women-or-a-battle-for-their-votes/2012/04/05/gIQAjb9RyS_story.html

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/03/gop-having-woman-troubles/49768/

Yes, they are being targeted

Side Score: 42
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No, they are making it up

Side Score: 25
7 points

“I think these are very precarious times for women, it seems. So many of your rights are under assault,” he told the crowd of mostly women. “I’ll tell you this: Contribute your money to people who speak out on your behalf, because the other side — my side — has a lot of it. And you need to send your own message. You need to remind people that you vote, you matter, and that they can’t succeed without your help.

- Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.), co-sponsor of the Equal Rights Amendment

You know it's bad when even Republicans are practically admitting to a war on women. Then, when there are further limits on women's healthcare, restrictions or ends to Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers funding, bombed abortion clinics, repealments of acts that support equal treatment between genders (Equal Rights Act), repealments of acts that fight domestic violence (Violence against Women Act), writing acts that force women to have medical instruments stuck up their vagina's and make them listen to descriptions of a small lump no larger than a fingernail.

All of these just add to the assumed position of lower pay for women, a male controlled world, and a far from objective media. Then add to a Republican line up that would all ban abortion, repeal contraception availability, and take away maternity leave rights. There's spectacular instances of misinformation among the Republican party.

I know where I stand. ... And that took fucking ages

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
1 point

i totally agree...the q is y women personified on any other when she herself can independently cn do it..just becoz she care for society and religion she led down all her wish n tke the path which lend in front of her and without giving second thought what she is doing it she just do it.. sad but true. and this is being done by again the womens who themself have went through such pain...

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
Cobrax30(22) Disputed
-1 points

So much partisan hackery there is no place to really begin. Clearly you didn't do any research otherwise you would have known facts such as 'medical instruments up the vagina' never happened.

Although as an interesting side note, I could spin probably about half of the crap you have listed here as a 'War on Men.'

Lets just say that declaring war on 51% of the voting public isn't in the best interest of any political party. However... Lying your butt off to make the other person look like they are... Now that makes sense!

Only the truly stupid will believe you.

| Side: No, they are making it up
BenWalters(1498) Disputed
5 points

Clearly you didn't do any research otherwise you would have known facts such as 'medical instruments up the vagina' never happened.

That shows how transvaginal ultrasounds are in the Texan legislature, and have been being enforced for about half a year.

This shows what a transvaginal ultrasound is. That looks like a medical instrument up someones vagina to me.

Although as an interesting side note, I could spin probably about half of the crap you have listed here as a 'War on Men.'

I can also say that the moon is made of cheese, that I'm 450, and that my dick's 20 ft. Saying something means nothing, refute my arguments individually.

Lets just say that declaring war on 51% of the voting public isn't in the best interest of any political party. However... Lying your butt off to make the other person look like they are... Now that makes sense!

I spent a long time citing every single claim I made, the least you could do is to actually refute them properly, instead of simply saying that I'm lying.

Also, interesting fact for the day, in US history, as GOP candidates have campaigned for presidential nomination, at least one has always had increased approval ratings through the campaign. Except 2012. As I talked about how Obama has twice as high approval than Romney, it does fit in that what the Republicans are doing is not in their own best interest.

Only the truly stupid will believe you.

As opposed to your well constructed and well supported argument? Good ad hominem.

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
2 points

While I believe I am more of a republican than anything else, I am ashamed to say that I think there might be some validity to the hype.

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
2 points

Yes it is. Women have the right to contraceptive freedom.

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
Raven01(10) Disputed
1 point

They HAVE that right.

What they DO NOT have the "right" to is to access MY wallet to pay for it!

War on women my ass.

More like a slave revolt and, men are finally starting to say, "Get your big girl panties on and be responsible for your own decisions just like the rest of us adults."

| Side: No, they are making it up
1 point

They wouldn't have that right if some conservatives had their way.

Rick Santorum believes it should be up to the State whether couples can buy contraceptives (He believes the Griswold vs Connecticut case was decided wrongly)

Additionally, if the life begins at conception laws pass, many forms of contraception will become illegal.

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
2 points

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| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
2 points

Yes, the states and Republicans in the Congress tried to restricted the access to abortion and contraception to women because of they are supposed to protect embyros. And they cut the pay for women and increasing the pay for men.

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
1 point

Yes and No. "War on Women" is a moniker given to the recent conservative efforts to pass certain laws that further their positions on abortion and contraceptives. The TITLE is 100% political marketing, but saying that there is not a campaign to pass certain laws would be very, very untrue, because that's just how politics works. Parties or groups have an agenda, develop legislation, "test" it somewhere and/or make a concerted effort to have it passed in several places. Everyone does it, because that is how this thing works. It is not a coincidence that immigration laws or gay marriage or abortion laws pop up in clusters. And, yes the current agenda tackles issues that most directly affect women. That is is not condemnation or approval of their position, merely the facts. Titling it "The War on Women" is how those opposed to their positions frame the conservative campaign to incite disdain. Even conservatives will tell you its clever and effective politics. I think we all know that whether or not its true has little effect or no consequence to many people. They will just use it to say conservatives are evil or to say liberals are evil for making this up. And we all go back to reinforcing our insular lives with Fox news and MSNBC.

Is there a planned political and legislative campaign, yes. Is it a "war"? Depends whose side your on. If you like these bills and don't think women have or should have these rights, or that they are not rights at all, then I doubt you view this as a hostile attack. But if you do think they are women's rights and this is aimed at dismantling them, then it is a war.

Maybe "War on what are Women's Rights" is more fair, albeit clumsy.

Edit: Why does this only allow a "No" reply . . .

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
1 point

I think the republicans are waging a war against women. I'm female and I don't like the fact that the GOP is trying to pass law that would strip away a womans right to choose or that when they had a panel about womens health the contributors were all men, none of them doctors. THE REPUBLICANS SHOULD LEAVE WOMENS HEALTH ALONE!!

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
1 point

Are current republican candidates seeking to reduce or eliminate programs like planned parenthood? YES.

Who uses these programs, not only for birth control but also cancer screenings etc.,? WOMEN

Are MALE politicians seeking (especially in certain states) to enact legislation regarding how WOMEN are able to obtain contraception (not only for birth control)? YES

Have MALE politicians attempted to enact legislation such as "vaginal probing" in order to go through with abortion? YES

With MALE politicians making decisions that affect WOMEN'S bodies, without regard for consequence as it does not affect them, then the answer is YES, there is a war on women.

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted

This is just ridiculous to even think that there is a such thing as War on Women.

| Side: No, they are making it up
1 point

what kind of dumb-fuck, incorrect, typical democratic campaign slogan is this? there is no war on women at all.

| Side: No, they are making it up
3 points

It's an election year, and these idiots need to fight for their phoney baloney jobs.

Democrats like to think that women favor them and they need to make them AFRAID of Republicans. It's the same reason they do their absolute best to demonize conservative women like Palin. The idea of a conservative female leader like Thatcher gives them night terrors.

If you look at the "war on women" what do they have? The fact that Republicans are in favor of religious freedom? Hey, if they really want to help women... maybe offer free birth control from Community Health Clinics... which would help 30 million women. Nope... they could care less. Instead they want to force the Catholic church to do it. Why? Because they are MORE INTERESTED in stomping on Religious freedom than actually helping women.

Vaginal probes... C'mon. Those legislators are not doctors. They had no clue that might be required... and when they did they wrote the law with an opt out clause. If you are going to stick a vacuum cleaner up your vagina to suck a baby's brains out... I don't think an ultrasound is too much to ask for.... especially if you are offered an opt out.

Let's face facts. This isn't a war on women. The Democrats are waging a War on Intelligence.

| Side: No, they are making it up
2 points

Its propaganda against republican's insistence on a particular set of interpretations of the bible being incorporated into Law, and also an excellent use of inverting their own propaganda against them.

It isn't so much a war on women, but opposition to the last ditch efforts to hold on to traditional "family values".

I dislike propaganda, it is always one sided or bias. Yes, the substance of the "war on women" is real, but it's characterization, symbolism, and so on is just the perception of a particular group.

| Side: No, they are making it up
zombee(1023) Clarified
4 points

Why do you think republicans tend to hold onto a particular set of interpretations that specifically marginalizes women? Why aren't they trying to legislate another interpretation that focuses on another theme, like respecting elders? I think it's because it's an interpretation that conveniently falls in line with what they're comfortable with, which is the enforcement of traditional restrictions for women. I'm not understanding the distinction between trying to legislate 'family values' and attacking womens' reproductive options and sexual choices. The two accomplish much the same goals.

What would need to be happening in order for you to agree with the term 'war on women'?

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
casper3912(1560) Clarified
1 point

There isn't much of a distinction, both "family values" and "war on women" are propaganda.

The term is one I would find odd in any situation I can think of, there are better terms, like patriarchy.

| Side: Yes, they are being targeted
2 points

It's all politics. There is no war on women. Just warring parties throwing slander at each other

| Side: No, they are making it up
2 points

It's an accusation one party made of another and then they made the same accusation right back and it's all mud-slinging really

| Side: No, they are making it up
1 point

No, it is political propaganda to keep you occupy from the real issues that are ruining our country.

| Side: No, they are making it up
1 point

Not according to the CBS/NY Times poll it isn't. Romney polls better with women than Obama.

| Side: No, they are making it up
1 point

NO, A womans Right to chose doesn't negate my right to not pay for her Abortioins,

Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience, which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection for which the public faith is pledged by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.

James Madison "Property" in The National Gazette (29 March 1792)

| Side: No, they are making it up


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