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Debate Score:68
Arguments:60
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Is the antiabortion position antiwoman?

So this came up on another debate and I thought id give it a go. Feel free to speak openly and share your beliefs. Peace!

Yes.

Side Score: 30
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Side Score: 38
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Yes, even though they will deny it............................................................

Side: Yes.
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Pro-lifers aren't against abortion because they are anti-woman, they are against it because they think abortion is murder and they believe murdering someone is worse than a woman being inconvenienced by a pregnancy. The gender of the person is irrelevant. If scientists came up with a way for men to be pregnant they would still be against abortion.

It's unlikely that you're going to convince pro-lifers that abortion isn't killing, so if you're going to tackle the abortion issue I think you should focus more on the core question to the debate, why is killing wrong? I think you'll find that most answers to that question aren't applicable to fetuses in the first 2 trimesters.

Your other debate is also a good point. I would focus more on those types of arguments than the women's rights aspect of it because pro-lifers think a fetus's rights are just as valid as the woman's.

Side: No.
Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

The individual may not be anti-woman, but there is still a case for the position being anti-woman.

While the intention behind the position may be focused upon abortion as murder, the position has when enacted into policy is arguably harmful to women. While it is reasonable to conclude that the person holding the view may not be anti-woman absent sexist intent, I do not know that the same can be said about the position itself.

Side: Yes.
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Anti: opposed to; against.

Opposed: not agreeing with or approving of something or someone

The anti-abortion position isn't "opposed to" women. It isn't about "not agreeing with or approving of" women. It's about not agreeing with what they believe to be murder. A side-effect of their position may be a major inconvenience to women, but that doesn't necessarily make it opposed to or against women themselves. I think if we stick to the actual definition of the word anti it's not truly anti-woman. However, I get what you're trying to say and we're probably just arguing over semantics here.

Side: No.

Fair enough. Maybe I can message you for advice? :)

Side: No.
LittleMisfit(1745) Clarified
2 points

Sure

Side: Yes.

While I'm pro-choice, I don't believe that being anti-abortion means being anti-woman.

While there are different takes on it, for the most part the pro-life position is essentially stating that an unborn child is a person with the same rights as any child that has already been born. As such, being anti-abortion is more of a position of 'equality' than anything else for most holding that opinion. It is a position that I would hold myself, were I to assign personhood to an unborn fetus- but knowing what I know, I can't do that in good conscience.

There are certainly exceptions; a particularly loud minority, even if they don't say so directly, demonstrate that they value the fetus more than the woman due to asserting that a woman should carry the child to term even if doing so puts her life at significant risk. There are also those who simply want to control women, and use their political stance on abortion as one of many tools to do so. There is overlap between these two groups.

But these exceptions are not a majority, and do not represent pro-lifers as a whole.

Many people are quite vocal and militant about this issue, and the pro-choice take on it is that pro-choice represents equality and pro-life represents oppression; that's not how I see it. I see it as pro-life represents equality (between the woman and the growing fetus), and pro-choice represents being pro-woman in that scenario. I am pro-choice myself, and just fine with that definition.

Side: No.
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If your statement is true, how do you account for women who are pro-life?

Side: No.
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Side: No.
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
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A feminist who considers pro-life to be an anti-woman position would probably argue that pro-life women have simply been indoctrinated by the patriarchy. They would look at them as the 'Uncle Toms' of female rights.

Side: Yes.
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
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The core of the pro life movement has nothing to do with degrading women or putting them down. Liberals just need to face facts they don't have a monopoly on women or minorities.

Side: Yes.
Atrag(5666) Banned
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You can link any two words if one aspect of them coincides but it people who say that if you don't agree with abortion then you must be anti-woman is being absurd. You can be pro-women's rights but believe that sometimes the rights of the fetus are more important.

Side: No.
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You can link any two words if one aspect of them coincides but it people who say that if you don't agree with abortion then you must be anti-woman is being absurd. 

Yes, this I agree with. I tried to stress this to the debate creater in the previous debate. I couldn't get through to her.

Side: No.
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And you never will. I can no longer support a movement that values a fetus over a born woman.

Side: Yes.
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Some arguments are anti women and some aren't. Just being against abortion doesn't make you automatically anti woman.

Side: No.

Not necessarily, though there probably are some men against abortion partly because they want to control women.

Side: No.
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
2 points

I doubt it. Sounds like some sort of conspiracy theory to me.

Side: No.

OK I suppose it is a bit far far fetched.

Side: No.

I don't understand how fetuses are not alive in the eyes of some people. To grow, you have to have life. Pro-life is on the premise of stopping horrible murder. When you allow abortion, you leave the door open for far worse atrocities.

Side: No.

I don't think so. A person can be Pro-Life and not be anti-woman.

Side: No.