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 Is the bible the most immoral book ever written ? (36)

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Is the bible the most immoral book ever written ?

The bible is a truly despicable book which has a god who commands in his name abortion , infanticide , child abuse , misogyny, pestillance , famine ,drought , child sacrifice etc ,etc , it's a truly horrendous book that most Christians haven't read yet claim it's the word of a loving god and its possibly the most immoral book ever written . 
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Yes.

Most Christians don't even read their own bible, except for the cherry-picked parts from their preacher.

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Yes this is totally true , and a fair amount of atheists have actually read the bible and know it far better than most Christians

CandySmith74(5) Disputed
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Yes, some Christians haven't read the Bible from beginning to end, but regardless, they know how to answer atheists ridiculous claims about the Bible being immoral. Atheists make a bunch of complaints about the Bible being full of immoral acts and God doing a bunch of immoral things but the problem is that, the only thing that they are capable of offering is their opinion about the entire thing. They dont have an Objective Standard. They have whiny opinions, and whiny opinions dont make facts. A bunch of people, agreeing that God is immoral doesn't make Him immoral.

Furthermore, why is rape wrong in an evolutionary world? Why is murder wrong? Animals kill animals all the time and we dont see condemn that as evil, right? If we are just highly evolved animals, why is it wrong to kill?

Also, any complaint that God killed some innocent person is completely against what the Bible says, because the Bible makes it clear that there is no such thing as an innocent person. And its pretty obvious that those He choose to wipe out were not innocent.So before atheists complain about God wiping out the Canaanites, it would be a good idea to learn about them, because the Bible makes it clear that they would not sweet innocent people. Unless you think burning your own children and sacrificing them to false gods is okay, clearly they were not innocent.

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if there is no God .... then there is no "morality" .... it's just you got your "definition of morality" and I got mine ...

who should you be to push your definition onto another ?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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I think the person who uses reality (Dermot) should get to push his definition on the person who didn't use reality (you). Does that seem fair?

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Thanks Cartman , believers find these topics very tricky don't they......

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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You fail to even comprehend what the question asked whys that ?

Also I never asked for your definition of morality did I ?

I hold myself to a higher standard of morality than the biblical depiction of a tyrannical brute you's call god .

There is no God for atheists yet there is morality , so that's that inane statement put to bed isn't it ?

dadman(1703) Disputed
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pfft !!! ....................... just another opinion blowing in the wind

DEUSVULT(27) Disputed
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True, we can not lose our morality and let the saracens get the best of us through their atheist propaganda to distract us.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." (H.G. Wells)

alto(114) Disputed
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Moral depends on what society you live in and what your philosophies are. There is also this thing called human decency which you should look into sometime.

CandySmith74(5) Disputed
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So, does that mean that was Hitler did wasn't wrong? Since you said that Morality depend on what society says, then obviously, that would be he wasn't wrong??

seanB(950) Disputed
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False. Morality exists despite belief in God. Hence why democratic countries full of atheists are less criminal, corrupt and dangerous than democratic countries full of Christians or Muslims.

Morality is intrinsic to the human species; we require it for social harmony and thus social cohesion, which is our biggest survival asset. Without it, we degenerate and ultimately don't survive. So to be moral is to be a strong society. And of course, being moral can be defined as what benefits a society's cohesion and survival; such things as having compassion, consideration, altruism and a peaceful nature. In a word, morality is a sense of empathy and the social drive to utilize it; that's what's required for it. Not God, not Yeshua, not Allah, not Elohim. Empathy.

It just so happens that empathy is an instinctual trait. Found in humans and our closest mammalian companions -- dogs -- in abundance. Dogs don't need God to behave and stay part of the pack, and neither do humans. It's in our DNA.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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There can't be a conversation without shared understanding of terminology. So what is your definition of morality? Can we just refer to Webster?

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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Yes , the definition in Websters is a good one and entirely suitable

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All of what you said is a mass misinterpretation or plain out lies, DEUS VULT saracen!

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I noticed you didn't bring up the Quran is there a reasoning behind that ?

Quran

As mentioned, there are nearly 500 verses from 87 Suras that speak of Hell. This is just a sample:

Quran (40:71-72) - When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned

Quran (22:19-21) - But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron

Quran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

So tell me Leftist is the Quran the most immoral book ever written ? Step up DUMMY if you got a set !

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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Another idiotic rant from an .... idiot , the Quran I know also back to front and it's another filthy book but the bible has it beat hands down

AlofRI(3294) Disputed
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"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions." That includes Christians AND/OR Muslims. (AND/OR Jews ... etc.).

Evidently you've never read Nigel Farage's autobiography!

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There are many terrible things in the Bible. But that just drives home the fact this is a diverse assemblage of history artifacts written by people for people. That doesn't make it immoral, it just makes it a reflection of the people and/or events at the time who wrote the various parts of it.

There are many beautiful lessons and stories in the Bible as well.

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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Well everything I mentioned is commanded and sanctioned by a god including the ripping of babies from mothers stomachs ; I know about the history and the people but the greatest acts of savagery are carried out by god .

CandySmith74(5) Disputed
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sanctioned by a god including the ripping of babies from mothers stomachs ;

So how about you look on Google for something like "Why does Hosea Hosea 13:16 command that babies be ripped out of their mothers stomach"?

How about looking for an answer.

Since the Bible says God is Just and is always right and never makes mistakes, maybe there is a reason for EVERYTHING that He does. So how about making an effort to find out what that reason is.

CandySmith74(5) Disputed
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Terrible according to what? According to your opinion?? Do you have something other than your opinion to offer?!!??

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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Yes my opinion . . What else do you suggest I ' offer ' ?

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The bible is a truly despicable book which has a god who commands in his name abortion , infanticide , child abuse , misogyny, pestillance , famine ,drought , child sacrifice etc ,etc , it's a truly horrendous book that most Christians haven't read yet claim it's the word of a loving god and its possibly the most immoral book ever written .

If your worldview says that we are but a byproduct of stardust, why would it matter if the Bible has abortion , infanticide , child abuse , misogyny, pestilence , famine,drought, child sacrifice etc ,etc? So what? We're stardust.

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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You're missing something here aren't you ?

What has my worldview got to do with whether a book is immoral or not ?

Anyway bypassing that why would it matter ?

Because as a former Catholic the words from this filthy book were used to abuse and victimise me and others .

He's probably very confused about it.

So that'd be someone following religion because it makes them live for eternity.

CandySmith74(5) Disputed
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The Bible is a despicable book according to what standard??

Commands abortion? What on earth are you talking about? The Bible makes it clear that life begins at conception so if anything, it is arguing that abortion is murder.

Child Sacrifice?? You mean with Abraham and Isaac?? Wow. People refuse to understand the point of that story and its sad.

Its possibly the most immoral book ever written.

For a book that might be considered to be the most immoral book ever, it sure is the most popular book ever written, isn't it?? Having all those things doesnt mean it isnt the Word of God.

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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According to my standard .

Yes commands abortion .......

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?.........

You've obviously never read the bible have you ?

I understand the ' point of the story ' its people like you who seem to think that a perfectly moral god asking a man to murder his son is perfectly natural that I don't understand .

It is the most popular book ever written ,so too is the Quran proving the amount of mental gyrations believers go through in justifying some of the most despicable passages every written in any book .

By saying it's the word of god proves absolutely nothing and if indeed it is the word of god maybe it's time you looked for a ' nicer god ' 😊