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Well, The Devil just does that for a living, it doesn't define him. He is a good person for inventing everything that makes the world worth living in. Let's face it, without Satan, the world would be a boring place. There wouldn't be any good music, violent video games, or decent TV.
We should also thank the serpent that tricked Eve, without him, we'd still be running around naked in some jungle.
yes. if bad people would not be punished then they would trouble the good people.they are punished and made to feel how it feels when someone gives suffer.
this isnt a joke we are talking about an enternity in your own nightmares. An enternity in your own pain and suffereing. If their is no punishment the their is no good and evil.
you really are confused. Billions of people have died because they beleived in God? Here we go again putting all the religions in one box and throwing them down the trash.
By nature we are evil. The foundation of christianity is only pure and divine. We are by nature evil. Im sure it is easy for you to blame everything on religion, but this is not so. Humans by nature crave for power, wealth, lust, bloodshed. We are blind, death, and dumb. Jesus christ thank God has conquered death so we are no longer slaves of sin. Their is hope found in Jesus christ. The law is what binds us, because sin is at war within us. The law is what lead us to sin. We long to do good, but we dont know how to bring it forth, because sin deceives us. Death now has no power over me, because I am saved, and I choose to bask in the sun, because that is where I have found life. And remeber people can claim to be alot of things. People can claim to be beleivers, but really they are only deceiving themselves. Only christ truely knows your heart and where it lies.
you really are confused. Billions of people have died because they beleived in God? Here we go again putting all the religions in one box and throwing them down the trash.
You misunderstood me. Billions of people have died not knowing the truth, believing in religious doctrines and never having the opportunity to laugh at the absurdity of it all.
By nature we are evil.
No, we aren't, because there is no evil. There is no good either. There is only what we decide is good and bad.
The foundation of christianity is only pure and divine.
It is based on human sacrifice and torture, and lies. There is nothing pure about that.
Im sure it is easy for you to blame everything on religion, but this is not so.
I don't. I blame a lot of things on religion, but not everything. I don't believe anything has done more over the last thousand years than religion did to crush the human spirit and enslave the mind.
Humans by nature crave for power, wealth, lust, bloodshed. We are blind, death, and dumb. Jesus christ thank God has conquered death so we are no longer slaves of sin. Their is hope found in Jesus christ.
These are just points of dogma which have ensnared your mind. You're not a dumb person for believing this, but you are stuck in a loop that forces you to say really unintelligent things because of that dogma. The key to you overcoming your trap is to lose your emotional reasons for believing in it. Those emotional reasons vary from person to person, but they serve the same purpose: to hold your intellect hostage. Once you find a reason for living that isn't tied to those emotions, you will be able to see your dogma for what it is, and you won't have this blind spot which utterly prevents you from debating the subject or reasoning it.
Trust me when I say this, I went through this religion just like you did. I enjoyed all the ups and downs of it, and I fervently believed the dogma, until I was able to let go of the emotional trap and actually examine it for what it was.
We long to do good, but we dont know how to bring it forth, because sin deceives us.
The problem isn't that we do not know how to do good, it is that other considerations get in the way. Power, money, sex, games, love. These all affect our ultimate decisions relating to good.
Death now has no power over me, because I am saved, and I choose to bask in the sun, because that is where I have found life.
Is that your emotional trap? Fear of death? Many of us fear death because we don't want our existence to end. If you fear death, then I suggest you get out of your religion while you're still young, because nothing hurts worse than the feeling of living a lie your entire life, especially when your life is almost over.
And remeber people can claim to be alot of things. People can claim to be beleivers, but really they are only deceiving themselves. Only christ truely knows your heart and where it lies.
If you want to know the truth about believers and how they became atheist, I suggest a good starting point here:
My point is I dont fear death. I never said anything that suggests that i fear it. Why? Because Jesus christ conquered death. Based on torture, lies, and human sacrifice! what! Give me an example, anywhere in the biblie that says anything about human sacrifice and we will discuss from their. Second I made a debate about versus in the bible. Why dont we take this a step at a time shall we? Because of atheists have a problem with the word of God, get specific, not arrogant and diss the whole thing. Billions of people diied not knowing the truth? What is truth, surely you born out of your own choice would gladly tell me what truth is. Making up your own truth doesnt count. There is nothing pure about it? hahahah wow. How insulting. The word of God is in me. So you are pretty much saying that I am based of torture, lies and human sacrifice. Have you ever read the biblie? You will find that it is full of love and truth, which is identical to the identity of Jesus. Emotional trap? Tell me what exactly are you trying to save me from? No dont go towards the light! Stay here with me in the darkness while you still can! Sounds like something is speaking in your heart, the devil really is the father of lies. He will do anything and I mean anything to keep you away from what kills him. Life. Pls open up your heart! If you keep closing it then how will you know the truth?
My point is I dont fear death. I never said anything that suggests that i fear it. Why? Because Jesus christ conquered death.
This sounds like you fear death and simply displaced that fear with a religious belief. A person who does not fear death would accept their mortality and not pretend to be immortal.
Give me an example, anywhere in the biblie that says anything about human sacrifice and we will discuss from their.
Jesus Christ was a human sacrifice.
Why dont we take this a step at a time shall we? Because of atheists have a problem with the word of God, get specific, not arrogant and diss the whole thing.
I've made numerous posts in the last few days which had nitpicks of biblical verses. Maybe you not see them?
1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all the earth.
The world is firmly established; it shall never be moved.
Psalm 93:1
The Lord is king, he is robed in majesty;
the Lord is robed, he is girded with strength.
He has established the world; it shall never be moved;
Psalm 96:10
Say among the nations, ‘The Lord is king!
The world is firmly established; it shall never be moved.
He will judge the peoples with equity.’
Psalm 104:5
You set the earth on its foundations,
so that it shall never be shaken.
Isaiah 40:21-22
Have you not known? Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to live in;
Daniel 4:10-11
Upon my bed this is what I saw;
there was a tree at the centre of the earth,
and its height was great.
The tree grew great and strong,
its top reached to heaven,
and it was visible to the ends of the whole earth.
Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the
kingdoms of the world and their splendour;
Revelation 1:7
Look! He is coming with the clouds;
every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and on his account all the tribes of the earth will wail.
So it is to be. Amen.
These verses imply a fixed (geocentric), flat Earth.
Billions of people diied not knowing the truth? What is truth, surely you born out of your own choice would gladly tell me what truth is.
The truth is that we evolved from simpler organisms, over billions of years, on a planet that formed from the remains of dead stars and exploding stars, and our universe has no apparent design or purpose.
There is nothing pure about it? hahahah wow. How insulting. The word of God is in me. So you are pretty much saying that I am based of torture, lies and human sacrifice.
Human and animal sacrifice, holy war, and superstitions are not pure. Sorry that the truth is so unappealing. It rarely is, why do you think everyone wants to live a lie?
Have you ever read the biblie?
Yes. I've looked throughout it. I've even looked at multiple translations in good faith.
You will find that it is full of love and truth, which is identical to the identity of Jesus.
Not really. The love it has isn't of divine magnitude and the hatred it has is just as petty as any human.
Emotional trap? Tell me what exactly are you trying to save me from?
I'm just telling you what I learned the hard way. I know you can't accept what I say though. When I was your age I was adamantly opposed to people like me. I even felt I successfully battled all those "wrong" atheists, and came out the victor. I guess if anything I wish I could tell myself those many years ago that I was mistaken.
No dont go towards the light! Stay here with me in the darkness while you still can!
It's actually the other way around. Your beliefs are the darkness, designed to keep you from seeing the light of reality.
Sounds like something is speaking in your heart, the devil really is the father of lies. He will do anything and I mean anything to keep you away from what kills him. Life. Pls open up your heart! If you keep closing it then how will you know the truth?
Tell me something: do you really believe that in our world darkness, light, goodness and evil are open about what they are? In other words do you just believe that your "light" is illuminating because it wouldn't lie to you? The first thing we have to learn about life is that nothing is ever what it appears to be, least of all ideologies and beliefs.
You believe in something evil that masquerades as goodness and light, versus what it considers evil and darkness (which happens to be enlightenment and decency). You're turned around by culture, by tradition, by authority.
I had to learn the hard way. I am now truly open-minded.
THE DEVIL, BEFORE HIS FALL WAS A PERFECT, UPRIGHT, ANGEL WITH POWER, A SIGHT FOR SORE EYES, PERFECT IN BEAUTY, WISDOM AND WITH EVERY PRECIOUS STONE, THE GIFT OF SONG AND SINGING WITH HIS PIPES AND ORGANS, LUCIFER, LIGHT BRINGER, WAS HIS HOLY NAME, LUCIFER THE CHERUBIM THAT COVERS, TIL INIQUITY, SIN WAS FOUND IN HIM WHEN YAHSHUA, HAMACHIA, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, WAS IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER SPOKE, THIS BEUTIFUL WORDS TO HIS SON THE ONE TRUE GOD, NOT A CREATED ANGEL, BUT THE BEGOTTEN OF THE LORD FULL OF WISDOM TRUTH AND GRACE, HE THE FATHER WANTED MORE CHILDREN, TERRACELESTIAL, NOT CELESTIAL BEINGS, MADE OF STARDUST, BUT MADE OF RED CLAY AND DIRT, THESE HUMBLE SERVANTS WILL WORSHIP ME IN TRUTH AND IN SPIRIT, SO LUCIFER BECAME OUTRAGED, THE ELOHIM (GOD) WOULD INSULT LUCIFER WITH HIS NEW CREATION, LUCIFER, BECAME SATAN, THE ACCUSSER, HE SAID FOR I AM MADE OF FIRE, AND THESE HUMANS ARE MADE OF DIRT, I WILL NOT SERVE THEM, LIKE YOU GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD WANT US ANGELS TO DO
If you believe this stuff then the answer is no, but the devil does not punish bad people, God does that.
God sets the rules and if they are not followed properly he punishes people with either hell for the really naughty people or purgatory for those that just enjoyed themselves a little.
Satan is merely gods prison chief, one with delusions of grandeur, but God must be allowing Satan to exist, he created him and in his omnipotence can if he wills, destroy him.
As an aside, this gets further confusing when you think about the fact that God knew Satan would turn rogue, he had to have known, he is omniscient.
This leads to another conundrum. If God created evil and then punishes people for it does that not mean that he is not a benevolent creator? It in fact means that everything that happens was meant to happen in the way that God planned it to.
This means that although Satan is supposed to epitomize evil, he has no choice in the matter and is just another pawn in this game.
So Satan does not create evil or punish for it, and man does not commit evil acts as he is only a puppet on a string, the strings being controlled by God, a God who must be evil.
To conclude, anyone that is sent to hell is not being punished for being evil, they are being tortured because God is evil and likes to play favorites with his puppets.
This means that although Satan is supposed to epitomize evil, he has no choice in the matter and is just another pawn in this game.
He has a choice like all people do. God does not force people to be evil. They choose it of their own volition and will. The blame still resides on the perpetrator.
So Satan does not create evil or punish for it, and man does not commit evil acts as he is only a puppet on a string, the strings being controlled by God, a God who must be evil.
This is your opinion and a misinformed one at best. God sets the rules we are to obey and abide by them. Just because he is omniscient doesn't mean that he forces us to do evil. His love transcends our wickedness. His greater purpose is for our complete love and devotion to Him. What is true love without choice? He reveals himself to us and we are to choose His love. But you still have a choice. If you choose to do evil and turn away from your Creator then you can't complain about the consequences.
To conclude, anyone that is sent to hell is not being punished for being evil, they are being tortured because God is evil and likes to play favorites with his puppets.
You sound very jaded about God. Perhaps it's time to reconsider your stance. Remember your unwillingness to love your God is the direct result of the choice you have made. So that would be a puppet without strings!!
He has a choice like all people do. God does not force people to be evil. They choose it of their own volition and will. The blame still resides on the perpetrator.
If God is all knowing, he had to have known how this would play out, in his omnipotence he created all, including Satan, whom he had to have known (and there for created) him to be evil, this makes no sense unless god himself wished to create and is therefore evil. Satan did not create himself, if Satan was created as an evil entity free of God's influence then God is not the creator of all. The same works for people, God creates all of us as individuals and plans out our paths for us, he couldn't not have, he is all knowing, all of the creative force in the universe is attributed to God therefore evil is attributed to God, as nothing can exist that he did not will into existence.
This is your opinion and a misinformed one at best.
I'm not the only person that thinks this, and I'd say that you know nothing of my experience and knowledge of religion so before you make accusations, have a look around.
God sets the rules we are to obey and abide by them. Just because he is omniscient doesn't mean that he forces us to do evil
How do you not see the flaw in this logic?.
His love transcends our wickedness.
He created our "wickedness", he creates the rules apparently, that if you think about it, we have no choice in following or not, as your path is predetermined by him.
His greater purpose is for our complete love and devotion to Him.
Seems completely narcissistic to create life simply that it may adore him, but again the point stands, those that do not love him and carry out what is deemed to be evil deeds are only following their path. A path created by him.
What is true love without choice?
What is true love anyway, even in humans people are attracted to people that abuse them, often reasoning that they themselves are at fault. Love is a biological attraction, it is a bond to a mate or equivalent of. Devotion to non-human entities is commonplace and does not signify anything, the body likes what it likes. It is obvious that to whom one is attracted or falls in love is not a conscious choice, but a deep rooted biological urge to find a partner suitable to produce offspring. The idea of a love for a deity is a romantic notion that gives people hope, because they can't stand the idea of a finite existence.
He reveals himself to us and we are to choose His love.
How does this work for people that have never heard of the biblical God, or through their own particular indoctrination prescribe to a different deity, I suppose they are either superfluous to requirement or get a free pass, that omni benevolence isn't looking so intact now, is it?
But you still have a choice. If you choose to do evil and turn away from your Creator then you can't complain about the consequences.
How can you have a choice when an all knowing all powerful creator pre-determined your path, there is no path that you could take that he did not already know about, you have no choice and therefore can take no responsibility for your actions. There is in this sense no consequence for you, just an end to the path that you are being pushed down.
You sound very jaded about God.
I'm actually quite motivated about this subject, I have given it a lot of thought, I was a Roman catholic by indoctrination, I've read the Bible, I've worked closely with and spoken to a great many Muslims, Jews and Hindus, I've also read a lot of science literature, I'm currently studying Biochemistry at University and I've a fondness for modern philosophy. I've seen and thought about both sides of this argument, I hope that you have too. Religion is only the solution to the problems it causes, which is why the entire Catholic population hasn't burned those child molesting priests out of their homes. If I sound worn out from this topic it's because you can't see the central irony of dogmatic faith and someone like me seems like one of those sinners that you hear so much about.
Perhaps it's time to reconsider your stance.
Perhaps it's time you as with all religious people should stop handing out condescending advise to people like me, I include in this the complete idiots that call to my door and can't answer one of my questions. I call them idiots because, if you are going to try teach a message you should be able to cover the topic and not spurt propaganda and bullkaka that you've said over and over again without really thinking about what it actually means. There are many more examples, but this post is getting quite long and I expect you'll not be responding to this much info.
Remember your unwillingness to love your God is the direct result of the choice you have made. So that would be a puppet without strings!!
I make choices, I am not a puppet and therefore can not have string. You however if you think about it can not be. I'm not unwilling to love God, I don't believe that he exists, at least not in the sense as taught by the worlds religions, I therefore would find it ridiculous to try and love something in which I have no faith.
He has a choice like all people do. God does not force people to be evil. They choose it of their own volition and will. The blame still resides on the perpetrator.
The perpetrator is god, because he is by definition the creator. God therefore is the origin of evil. He created his subjects to be evil.
This is your opinion and a misinformed one at best.
It is deductive logic. If god is the creator of everything, and there is evil in his creation, then he created evil.
God sets the rules we are to obey and abide by them. Just because he is omniscient doesn't mean that he forces us to do evil.
Omniscience by definition precludes free will. Therefore omniscience requires that we are determined before birth to be worthy of damnation, as punishment for being created evil.
Again, this is dimple deductive logic. If omniscience exists, then that means the future is knowable, which means it is already played out with no choices. If there was free will, the future could not be known because it would not be written yet, because the choices of everyone would be in the process of being made.
His love transcends our wickedness. His greater purpose is for our complete love and devotion to Him.
Firstly any wickedness within us is part of god's doing. Remember that he is the origin, the creator of everything, including that wickedness. Therefore if he is omniscient, there is no test but instead everything plays out according to a predetermined roll that was created by god. None of your choices are yours, they are choices that god made for you as part of his creation, and you are bound to those choices because of a fixed, knowable future.
What is true love without choice?
You answered your question. In your theology, this isn't about love, but control.
He reveals himself to us and we are to choose His love. But you still have a choice. If you choose to do evil and turn away from your Creator then you can't complain about the consequences.
Of course you can complain, because according to your beliefs they were never your choices, but god's choices for you.
You sound very jaded about God. Perhaps it's time to reconsider your stance. Remember your unwillingness to love your God is the direct result of the choice you have made. So that would be a puppet without strings!!
No, he is not jaded, he is simply unbiased and lets your assumptions and logic lead to the correct conclusions. If you cannot understand this logic, it is because you have a preconceived conclusion that you must believe in. This is distorting your understanding.
The perpetrator is god, because he is by definition the creator. God therefore is the origin of evil. He created his subjects to be evil.
Knowing that we would do wicked things is far different then creating something to do evil. God's love is far beyond our limited understanding. He created us because He loved us.
It is deductive logic. If god is the creator of everything, and there is evil in his creation, then he created evil.
It is inane logic at best. God created us and all that is known. Evil is the violation of God's law and commandments. You willfully ignore our freewill. Knowing that we would be evil does not translate into creating evil. The choice is still ours to make.
Omniscience by definition precludes free will. Therefore omniscience requires that we are determined before birth to be worthy of damnation, as punishment for being created evil.
No it does not. We are punished to the fourth and fifth generation. Like I said all-knowing doesn't mean that God would decide not to create us. Jesus was ordained before the world was created to save it. This shows God's love for us transcends our wickedness.
Again, this is dimple deductive logic. If omniscience exists, then that means the future is knowable, which means it is already played out with no choices. If there was free will, the future could not be known because it would not be written yet, because the choices of everyone would be in the process of being made.
It is not already played out in some parallel universe here. You make your choice at anytime. God knows everything we will do. Free will allows you to blaspheme your Creator. That's not His desire for you, but it's your choice.
Firstly any wickedness within us is part of god's doing.
Evil is our doing not God's.
Remember that he is the origin, the creator of everything, including that wickedness.
He created us, but our violation of His laws is the definition of evil. We are the originator of wickedness.
Therefore if he is omniscient, there is no test but instead everything plays out according to a predetermined roll that was created by god. None of your choices are yours, they are choices that god made for you as part of his creation, and you are bound to those choices because of a fixed, knowable future.
Like I have said the choices are yours. He knows all that is to be or has been. With that the free will you have determines your future. He already knows your choice. But this doesn't stop Him from loving you.
No, he is not jaded, he is simply unbiased and lets your assumptions and logic lead to the correct conclusions. If you cannot understand this logic, it is because you have a preconceived conclusion that you must believe in. This is distorting your understanding.
Unbiased in a debate is impossible. Don't go down that naive road. These are your assumptions because you have no evidence to support either way. Your preconceived conclusion is to deny God. No matter what is said to you. I argue this fact distorts your understanding to hear these words.
Knowing that we would do wicked things is far different then creating something to do evil. God's love is far beyond our limited understanding. He created us because He loved us.
If he created everything, then he created evil. If he created us, then he created our evil. That is what I said. His omniscience means that he created us to be evil, knowingly and not by mistake.
It is inane logic at best. God created us and all that is known. Evil is the violation of God's law and commandments. You willfully ignore our freewill. Knowing that we would be evil does not translate into creating evil. The choice is still ours to make.
Omniscience precludes free will. They cannot coexist. It is a logical contradiction, like something being both hot and cold, or a square having five sides.
You called god omniscient, therefore free will does not exist. If god created us, and god is omniscient, then he created us to be evil. That is the logical deduction.
Logic is immutable, it always gives correct conclusions as long as the premises are correct and the body is consistent.
No it does not. We are punished to the fourth and fifth generation. Like I said all-knowing doesn't mean that God would decide not to create us. Jesus was ordained before the world was created to save it. This shows God's love for us transcends our wickedness.
It is not already played out in some parallel universe here. You make your choice at anytime. God knows everything we will do. Free will allows you to blaspheme your Creator. That's not His desire for you, but it's your choice.
You contradicted yourself, and violated logic. Try again. If someone tells you than 2 + 2 = 4, the correct rebuttal is not "in a parallel universe it equals 5 and 7."
Evil is our doing not God's.
It is a matter of logical transference. If god created everything, god created us. If we are wicked, god made us wicked. That is how logic works. Quit breaking logic.
He created us, but our violation of His laws is the definition of evil. We are the originator of wickedness.
Expanding from the previous, if god created us wicked, and is all-knowing, then we are simply being wicked according to the design of god with no choice. Slaves to a god that wants us to behave wickedly.
Like I have said the choices are yours. He knows all that is to be or has been. With that the free will you have determines your future. He already knows your choice. But this doesn't stop Him from loving you.
If god is all-knowing, you have no choice.
Unbiased in a debate is impossible.
Unbiased towards the logical outcome.
These are your assumptions because you have no evidence to support either way.
This is not an inductive debate. It is a formal deductive debate, meaning that evidence isn't needed. You select the premises and use deductive logic to create a correct conclusion.
Your preconceived conclusion is to deny God. No matter what is said to you. I argue this fact distorts your understanding to hear these words.
Not relevant. In this debate I am using your premises to form logical deductions.
Knowing that we would do wicked things is far different then creating something to do evil.
If I you create something (say a robot) knowing that it'll be evil then you are responsible for it's actions, God is the same, the plan God set out for you is one in which you have no choice, even if there are a billion billion paths that you could follow an omniscient creator would have to know them all, before he created you.
It is inane logic at best
It is logic, it is the only conclusion within your parameters. You fail to see the irony of your faith and bold face deny pure deductive reasoning and then have the audacity to label my argument inane. This I admit I find amusing.
You willfully ignore our freewill. Knowing that we would be evil does not translate into creating evil. The choice is still ours to make.
Free will has not been ignored by either of us, it has on the contrary been shown to be benign under your specific dogma. Please explain to me how (if your path is already known by your creator) you have any choice in your actions, if you can explain that to me I'd be willing to entertain your ideas.
We are punished to the fourth and fifth generation.
Seems pretty sadistic to punish an innocent for the actions of their forebears, don't you think? Seems to me to contradict Gods alleged omni-benevolence.
Like I said all-knowing doesn't mean that God would decide not to create us.
If your views are correct then this point is moot, for you are already here and by the way that's a double negative.
Jesus was ordained before the world was created to save it. This shows God's love for us transcends our wickedness.
Again, pretty bad minded on this omniscient omnipotent creator to do this, but the thing that gets me is why? What was God trying to prove? He essentially came down himself to show the world what a horrible torture he could withstand, I fail to see it's significance in teaching a lesson, witnessing horrible violence has a desensitizing effect on people. Surely he didn't want his people becoming used to seeing violence, but then again he did kill billions of living things before that to prove a point so I guess, he must be a playful deviant, an omni-benevolent one.
It is not already played out in some parallel universe here.
No, but God would have to know how it plays out.
Evil is our doing not God's.
I fully agree with this, to the point that I don't believe in God and therefore attribute nothing to him.
He created us, but our violation of His laws is the definition of evil. We are the originator of wickedness.
Was our "wickedness" not catalyzed by Satan, in the form of a serpent, who was then laughably told that he should from then on crawl on his belly and eat dirt. I'd like to know how he got around before? Presumably he was a floating serpent. Oh and snakes don't eat dirt. They must have gotten rid of that habit by some form of evolution.
Like I have said the choices are yours. He knows all that is to be or has been. With that the free will you have determines your future. He already knows your choice. But this doesn't stop Him from loving you
Please tell me you see this as logic, I'm dumbfounded.
Unbiased in a debate is impossible. Don't go down that naive road
Unbiased in life is impossible, but there are varying degrees to which one may be biased, and knowing both sides of an argument can lean one towards the least bias path.
These are your assumptions because you have no evidence to support either way.
There is no need for evidence, we say God does not exist, the burden of proof is on the theistic to prove their beliefs if they want to be taken seriously. If I told you I could walk through walls you'd call me a fake, that is unless I showed you, the burden of proof is on those that make outlandish claims.
What made the devil the devil is his pride. He was too arrogant to partake in Gods plan to make us and rebelled against him. Pride is what leads to many other sins. Pride is the leader of all sins. THe devil is what defines evil. He still beleives he can win this war. He is traped in his own grand illusion. His goal is to destroy what is good and to make it his own if he could. Freedom is the sacrifice God made for us. It breaks Gods heart to see the creation he made go to hell.
I don't know who's theology it is in which Satan punishes people in hell, but it's not biblical. The biblical understanding of Satan is that he will be destroyed after judgment day.
O.K I find this argument quite interesting as i've never looked at it that way before. All the same the devil can never be looked upon as a rightious figure. He only punishes the bad becuase God lets him. If he had his way i'm sure he would punish the good too.
i wouldnt use the word punishment. According to the christian doctrine the devil is defined as death, and life is found in Jesus christ. So you either choose to find be a slave of sin, or a slave of righteousness.
You either choose to be a slave of righteouness and be rewarded by God or a slave of sin and be punished by the devil (what word would you use if not punished?) By the way saying God only deals with the good and leaves the evil to the devil kind of implies they work together ("you take the bad i'll take the good") . What kind of God is that that doesn't forgive all mankind?
This debate all goes down to the "idea." And this proves why humans are so ignorant and blinded.
If someone killed another someone, that someone will be punished for killing that person. The idea is "killing another person."
If someone killed the killer, the idea is still "killing another person." But humans are so ignorant that they see the situation is "Someone killed the killer."
It really depends on what you see in a good person or a bad person. A good person or a bad person will punish. But it depends on what you mean by punishing.
If you kill, you are a killer. And a hero but that depends on the situation. You can kinda say that the devil who is hurting the bad people are trajic heros.
No because God cast him out of heaven for trying to fight Him. The devil is always going to be a bad person because God punishes bad people that don't except him to burn in hell for all eternity. If your name is not found in the Lambs Book Of Life then you will burn in hell forever and ever. Moving along.
