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Is the modern day feminist movement helpful to society or hypocritical and destructive?

What is your view on the modern day feminists movement?

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Broadly defined feminism is just the belief of sexual equality, politically, socially, and economically. Even though I am a man, I would consider myself a feminist. I believe that women should have the opportunities to be successful and happy as men do. Many men today claim that feminism is now unnecessary and they create this false stereotype of "feminazis." There are women who harbor resentment against men, and in turn are sexist, and this is wrong. But people who just dismiss modern feminists as "feminazis" are really just closet sexists. They are most likely threatened of having their power taken away on a subconscious level. Women are not equal socially, politically, and economically today by any means. Only 17% of congress is female. In Sweden for example 47% of their parliament is female. This means there is an aspect of American society that is preventing women from being successful in politics. My best guess is that women who are powerful and independent are dismissed as "bitches. Women are also not equal socially. As an example if a man has many sexual partners he garners much respect, but if a woman has many sexual partners she is a considered a whore. Finally women are not equal economically. Women still only make about 77 cents for every dollar men make for the same work. A recent study found that customers prefer white-male employees over equally performing women and minority employees. http://journals.aomonline.org/inpress/main.asp?action=preview&art;_id=610&p;_id=1&p;_short=AMJ

This false stereotype that there are hordes of feminazi feminists out there who are lesbians and hate men etc. is sexist and untrue. It is hard to determine whether the media is responsible for this image or if it is just a reflection of society's opinions, but it does play a role. People need to stop trying to place people into neat black and white categories and actually analyze the world around them. Women still have much ground to make up to truly become equal members of society, so while feminism may be harmful to men in that it is balancing power, anyone with compassion and empathy should support the modern feminist movement.

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ThePyg(6762) Disputed
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Politically - All this means is that women are less interested in politics than men are in America. What do you want to do about this? Shove politics down their throats? Hell, whenever i just talk to any random girl about politics they really don't understand anything that i'm talking about.

Socially - Sounds like average thought. If you want to police thought in order to progress women, than that is feminazism. If you just want to bitch about it... hell, it's just whining.

Economically - That number is false for this reason: it's comparing ALL men with ALL women. More men are employed than women, so of course they make more money.

And, I am not sexist. In fact, I believe through higher authority women should be treated the same as men. But, I do not believe that individuals should be forced by the government to think one way or another about men and women. This is a free country, is it not?

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ledhead818(637) Disputed
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There is no reason why women would be inherently less interested in politics than men just in America. That means there is something in our social structure that is either discouraging women from pursuing politics or preventing them.

"Hell, whenever i just talk to any random girl about politics they really don't understand anything that i'm talking about." Yeah you're totally not sexist.

Did I ever once mention that I want to police thoughts to change society? No I didn't, quit with the red herrings. Yeah I guess every group that has ever tried to gain equal rights in society was just whining. Black people just whined about being slaves, women just whined about wanting to vote, and gays just whine about wanting to get married. Once again dismissing asking for equal rights as whining just shows how you are a closet sexist. Maybe you don't even know it. But you can't dismiss someones legitimate grievances for equality as whining because it just makes you look like a jackass.

That number is true for this reason. Is it comparing the median salary for full-time year round workers. It doesn't matter if there are 1,000 times as many men as women working full-time year round. Median is an estimation of center. Maybe next time you could check before you make an accusation.

Again I never said anything about the government, get out of here with your free country crap.

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Awen27(541) Disputed
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"Politically - All this means is that women are less interested in politics than men are in America. What do you want to do about this? Shove politics down their throats? Hell, whenever i just talk to any random girl about politics they really don't understand anything that i'm talking about."

Do you have any statistics or facts to back that statement up?

"Economically - That number is false for this reason: it's comparing ALL men with ALL women. More men are employed than women, so of course they make more money."

ledhead's statistic said that women get paid less for the SAME job. What does that have to do with how many men or women work?

Also, as to socially, it's not whining to want attitudes and minds to change. Of course the government shouldn't be forcing minds to change. But they should change, nonetheless.

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In general demanding to many rights is demanding special treatment, But extremist have a purpose they make sure things aren't over looked. Although sometimes they go to far. I guess a good example is PETA who I just generally don't like for being zealots. PETA makes sure incidents of animal cruelty aren't over looked but, they don't want people to have pets who for the most part are domesticated animals that will die on their own. The only thing I can see extremist good for really is bringing things to the attention of the public. Not extremist in the since of suicide bombers that crap needs to stop.

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I'm not even sure what "modern day" feminism constitutes.

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Modern day feminism is what I call Feminazism. Basically, they attack freedom of speech and thought. you can't even eye a girl in the work place because that's sexual harassment. Excuse me for noticing a hot chick.

If a company finds it necessary to fire someone for saying "nice tits" than let them, but if the government must get involved than they are being Thought Police.

Also with all this other stupid crap like somehow because the only lead characters in video games and movies are really hot chicks with nice bodies, that's all of a sudden offensive. Or how women in magazines are holding women all over the world to a higher standard. Listen, if you think you HAVE to look like a chick in a magazine, that makes you fucking stupid. Look at men, they don't give two fucks about dudes in magazines. Men aren't holding women to a higher standard, women are.

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You took most of my arguments, Pyg. However, one that I've noted for years was how women can get into men's clubs and organizations, but what about men? Can they get in? I'm afraid I haven't any sources for this just something I've observed for a while. Men might be allowed in, but I just never noticed it. Also, what you were saying about men not caring about other men in magazines - I don't believe it. Back in the 80s, when Schwarzenegger was making Terminator and Commando and all his other action movies, his body was famous. It is said that he started the so-called 'bodybuilding craze'. Would any men have bothered had they not seen a picture of him on film or magazine?

I do, however, agree with you on the topic of films. Laura Croft, Ultra Violet, and all these other modern action movies have a woman as the main character. I've never seen them, only the covers when at the video store - but I have heard about them. A typical scenario (or so I am told) involves the heroine walking into a room, she is surrounded by a group of men. All of a sudden, she starts swinging around faster than the eye can see and, in a few seconds, the men are all on the ground unconscious and she didn't even break a sweat. Can that ever beat Rambo or Die Hard? Most of these movies were failures (comparitively) but they keep making more? Why? It would be sexist to make a man a hero when a woman could do the job. Wouldn't it also be sexist for a woman to take the job from the man.

P.S. Sorry for the lengthy argument, usually when I get going I can't calm myself down and it sounds like I'm having an argument with myself.

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As in any society in the entire human history (as far as we can date) has been one of greed and power. The way minorities or even women's/gay & lesbian organizations were treated prior to the Civil Rights movements, those same people who were unconstitutionally abused are now doing the same thing, hence reverse racism & favortism. The moment you look at a woman, feminists immediately think "sexual abuse"

Knowing that, who is more at guilt, a person looking or the feminists who's first idea is that someone looking at her wants to have sex with her simply because she is a woman?

Feminism is not going to take the problem away, but rather backfire in the not-so-distant future. People can only take so much.

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modern femenism takes a decided turn for the worst and emboldens women until it becomes insufferable

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They contradict themselves so much. I mean, many of them refuse to shave but then they claim that they are against bush. So which is it? ;)

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Crap like feminism is only possible in a civilized society, where men are just too nice and ALLOW women to get all these rights. And now, American males are so pussy-whipped that they won't even dare to take a stand. Home of the brave is long gone. Ass-kissing metrosexual fag time is in.

In general, I say give women same rights, but forget about different treatment in any law, regulation, office, or courtroom, which is what we have now. Hence I think the modern day feminism is hypocritical and destructive.

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The modern feminist movement is hypocritical and destructive. If the movement stuck to the basic definition of feminism, it would be fine.

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For your information, the Feminist movement was manufactured by the Rockefellers to control American society.

Feminism Was Created To Destabalize Society - Aaron Russo Interview
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All that's left of the feminist movement are the misandrists. Everyone else recognizes that legal equality was achieved decades ago.

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Feminism is an insult to men and women. They advocate equality for all but completely ignore, dismiss or flat out mock any issues men have and have led women to believe that being a housewife is the same as being oppressed. Some women choose this because it's what they want yet they are looked down on by feminists. They enable women's bad behaviour by portraying violence perpetrated by women against men as either comedy or "he must have done something to deserve it" as well as giving them a slap on the wrist when a teacher has an "affair" with a student (isn't it called rape if a male teacher would do it to a female student?). Because of feminism, the majority (not all, not generalizing here) of women are entitled princess bitches who just yell, cry and whine until they get what they want and men have been conditioned by society to just smile and nod. Women can vote, they can work anywhere...feminism is no longer needed. They have overstayed their welcome and it's time for feminism to go away so we can focus on serious issues like 99% workplace deaths being men, higher suicide rates belonging to men, majority of health issues belonging to men, the fact that we don't have any reproductive rights, corrupt family/divorce courts biased against men and more.

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I'm not even sure what "modern day" feminism constitutes.

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The feminists today are called third wave feminists.

From wiki

Third-wave feminism is a term identified with several diverse strains of feminist activity and study from 1990 to the present. The movement arose as a response to perceived possible failures and backlash against initiatives and movements created by second-wave feminism of c. 1960s through the 1970s. It also addressed issues that were not delved deeply into in the 1960s and 1970s, such as sexual harassment, largely due to the Anita Hill hearings in the Senate and violence against women. In 1992, the "Year of the Woman" saw four women enter the United States Senate to join the two already there. The following year another woman won a special election, bringing the number to seven. The 1990s also saw the first female United States Attorney General and Secretary of State, as well as the second woman on the Supreme Court, and the first First Lady to have an independent political, legal, corporate executive, activist, and public service career.

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