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Broadly defined feminism is just the belief of sexual equality, politically, socially, and economically. Even though I am a man, I would consider myself a feminist. I believe that women should have the opportunities to be successful and happy as men do. Many men today claim that feminism is now unnecessary and they create this false stereotype of "feminazis." There are women who harbor resentment against men, and in turn are sexist, and this is wrong. But people who just dismiss modern feminists as "feminazis" are really just closet sexists. They are most likely threatened of having their power taken away on a subconscious level. Women are not equal socially, politically, and economically today by any means. Only 17% of congress is female. In Sweden for example 47% of their parliament is female. This means there is an aspect of American society that is preventing women from being successful in politics. My best guess is that women who are powerful and independent are dismissed as "bitches. Women are also not equal socially. As an example if a man has many sexual partners he garners much respect, but if a woman has many sexual partners she is a considered a whore. Finally women are not equal economically. Women still only make about 77 cents for every dollar men make for the same work. A recent study found that customers prefer white-male employees over equally performing women and minority employees. http://journals.aomonline.org/inpress/main.asp?action=preview&art;_id=610&p;_id=1&p;_short=AMJ
This false stereotype that there are hordes of feminazi feminists out there who are lesbians and hate men etc. is sexist and untrue. It is hard to determine whether the media is responsible for this image or if it is just a reflection of society's opinions, but it does play a role. People need to stop trying to place people into neat black and white categories and actually analyze the world around them. Women still have much ground to make up to truly become equal members of society, so while feminism may be harmful to men in that it is balancing power, anyone with compassion and empathy should support the modern feminist movement.
Politically - All this means is that women are less interested in politics than men are in America. What do you want to do about this? Shove politics down their throats? Hell, whenever i just talk to any random girl about politics they really don't understand anything that i'm talking about.
Socially - Sounds like average thought. If you want to police thought in order to progress women, than that is feminazism. If you just want to bitch about it... hell, it's just whining.
Economically - That number is false for this reason: it's comparing ALL men with ALL women. More men are employed than women, so of course they make more money.
And, I am not sexist. In fact, I believe through higher authority women should be treated the same as men. But, I do not believe that individuals should be forced by the government to think one way or another about men and women. This is a free country, is it not?
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There is no reason why women would be inherently less interested in politics than men just in America. That means there is something in our social structure that is either discouraging women from pursuing politics or preventing them.
"Hell, whenever i just talk to any random girl about politics they really don't understand anything that i'm talking about." Yeah you're totally not sexist.
Did I ever once mention that I want to police thoughts to change society? No I didn't, quit with the red herrings. Yeah I guess every group that has ever tried to gain equal rights in society was just whining. Black people just whined about being slaves, women just whined about wanting to vote, and gays just whine about wanting to get married. Once again dismissing asking for equal rights as whining just shows how you are a closet sexist. Maybe you don't even know it. But you can't dismiss someones legitimate grievances for equality as whining because it just makes you look like a jackass.
That number is true for this reason. Is it comparing the median salary for full-time year round workers. It doesn't matter if there are 1,000 times as many men as women working full-time year round. Median is an estimation of center. Maybe next time you could check before you make an accusation.
Again I never said anything about the government, get out of here with your free country crap.
And, as for your "societal structure" thing, what exactly do you think should be done to encourage more women politicians? If the government doesn't have to do anything, I think that means that nothing needs to happen. Government is the only thing that can actually force anyone to do anything. If the government is treating women equally to men, what exactly is the problem? Are you just upset that for SOME REASON women aren't as interested in politics as men are? It's not sexist to understand that sexes prefer different things. Women like the show Sex and the City way more than men do. Men like video games way more than women do. When men get into politics, they get into both the social and economic structure of it, while usually I only see women getting interested in the social structure of it. (this mainly comes from everyone easily knowing the effects that society puts on them, so it's easier to come up with an opinion on the subject).
Blacks were forced into slavery and women in the old days had no right to vote. In these days, there really isn't much to bitch about for women. The fact that they haven't excelled in anything is their fault. I will say that the American system may be flawed in that people have learned to blame everyone but themselves for THEIR OWN PROBLEMS.
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I think that society just needs to encourage women to achieve their goals because I think many women do not become politicians, engineers, lawyers etc. because they are afraid they will not succeed due to their sex which does have some truth.
It has nothing to do with preference. Like I said in Sweden 47% of their parliament is female. There is no reason why Swedish women would prefer politics so much more than American women.
"In these days, there really isn't much to bitch about for women."
I just listed three areas in which they do have legitimate complaints.
"I will say that the American system may be flawed in that people have learned to blame everyone but themselves for THEIR OWN PROBLEMS."
It's really easy to say that when you a white male who didn't grow up in poverty. You have no idea what it is like.
Prove that I am a sexist, please. In no way did i say that men are better than women. If you think that biological facts are sexist, than blame nature, not me.
How should society encourage women? Remember, if the government gets involved, that's bad. If you want, you can start your own awareness seminar for women needing encouragement, hell, many people do that. Actually, they do it a lot. It's amazing how much political correctness has caused TV characters to try and make women seem so much different. But, as long as government doesn't get involved, I'm fine with it.
I also find it amazing that you just assume that i'm a white male who never grew up in poverty. You're also really bad at guessing, by the way.
121 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
Saying you are sexist was more of an educated guess than a statement of fact. The things that led me to believe you might be a closet sexist were saying all the girls you talk to don't know anything about politics, dismissing sexual inequality saying women have "nothing to bitch about," and saying that women can only blame themselves for not "having excelled at anything." I don't really care to debate about whether or not you are sexist, but you asked why.
"Remember, if the government gets involved, that's bad."
For the love of Darwin will you stop talking about the government. You are the only one who keeps bringing it up.
Political correctness can be important. If girls grow up and the only female role models they see on television are stupid and beautiful and they get by based upon their looks, then they will think that is the only possible vehicle for their success. Whereas if they see successful female lawyers, engineers, and scientists they will think of that as a goal. You underestimate the effect that these influences can have on children and consequently society as a whole.
That doesn't say I'm sexist. A sexist would have to imply that his/her gender is better than the other gender. I do not think that men are better than women and I don't think that women should be treated unequally by the higher authority (gun, god, government).
As for your statement on political correctness, how should political correctness be enacted? By volunteering? That's the system that we already have... so, America is doing alright when it comes to that.
121 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
1. ah, you used the secondary definition instead of the primary definition, which is:
"prejudice or discrimination based on sex"
The problem with how you portray the secondary definition is that can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways. Did I say that ALL women don't know shit about politics? No, I said that most of the girls I'VE talked to don't know shit about politics. Stereotyping becomes a problem when you base your DECISIONS on the stereotype. If you want a male doctor instead of a female doctor just because you stereotype females to be bad at medical work, than you are a sexist. Me accepting Biology and Psychology is not sexist. I do not discriminate and I give EVERYONE a chance to prove themselves. So no, I am not a sexist. Even by your secondary definition.
2. How nice. I think waiting rooms should have better magazines.
121 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
"Politically - All this means is that women are less interested in politics than men are in America. What do you want to do about this? Shove politics down their throats? Hell, whenever i just talk to any random girl about politics they really don't understand anything that i'm talking about."
Do you have any statistics or facts to back that statement up?
"Economically - That number is false for this reason: it's comparing ALL men with ALL women. More men are employed than women, so of course they make more money."
ledhead's statistic said that women get paid less for the SAME job. What does that have to do with how many men or women work?
Also, as to socially, it's not whining to want attitudes and minds to change. Of course the government shouldn't be forcing minds to change. But they should change, nonetheless.
1. I do, Ledhead even showed it. Way less women are in our Congress than in Sweden. So obviously, women are less interested in, at least, gaining political power in America.
2. Actually, he said the statistic was based on a median, so that means there are about a thousand other factors that go into that than just "employers are sexist".
3. And that's nice and all, but to be honest, I like Spike TV and Internet jokes about women... so although I don't believe that women should be treated unequally, I definitely don't want a politically correct structure where making fun of someone who's different from you is looked down upon. I hate it when people mess with my humor. But w/e, if no government will get involved, I don't have to worry about PC police taking over. People prefer comedy over hurt feelings any day.
121 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
1. Less women in congress doesn't necessarily mean less interested. Ledhead mentioned that as well, and I agree. Women may run less often because of sexism in our culture, or they are elected less often for the same reason.
I don't care about people making jokes, as long as they are truly not serious about it. But attitudes that prevent women from either running or being elected into congress, and that cause discrimination in other ways, are wrong.
So if women are less interested in politics, that's automatically sexism? Once again, blame everyone but the individual. A nation can not progress with an attitude like that.
120 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
Less interest is only one possibility. It may also be that less women have SUCCESS, but not less interest, in politics. I said there were 2 possibilities. Secondly, my point was that if less women are interested in politics(which, by the way, you haven't proven), that could be a result of a sexist culture that discourages them from pursuing politics(as ledhead suggested).
The fact that less women are elected to congress(a fact that could very well point to women being less successful, not less interested) and that the random girls you know don't know anything about politics does NOT show that women have no interest in it.
But, this doesn't prove that our Nation is sexist, either.
What, in order for sexism NOT to exist, more women HAVE to be in power? To suggest that a woman HAS to be something is in itself, sexist. Nobody HAS to do anything.
So if anything, less women in politics ONLY means less women in politics.
119 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
No, it doesn't prove that our nation is sexist, but it is a possibility. And you were implying that it the reason less American women are in politics is DEFINITELY that they are disinterested, and "backed it up" with the fact that you've met girls who aren't interested in politics. I admit that less women in politics may or may not be the result of sexism, but you have tried to hold this entire time to the idea that there is no way our society is sexist.
I never said that society is or isn't sexist. Society speaks for itself. After all, society IS made up of 50% of women. I was saying that our system (government) is not sexist and the idea that somehow society is constricting women is just a null argument.
119 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
In general demanding to many rights is demanding special treatment, But extremist have a purpose they make sure things aren't over looked. Although sometimes they go to far. I guess a good example is PETA who I just generally don't like for being zealots. PETA makes sure incidents of animal cruelty aren't over looked but, they don't want people to have pets who for the most part are domesticated animals that will die on their own. The only thing I can see extremist good for really is bringing things to the attention of the public. Not extremist in the since of suicide bombers that crap needs to stop.
As in any society in the entire human history (as far as we can date) has been one of greed and power. The way minorities or even women's/gay & lesbian organizations were treated prior to the Civil Rights movements, those same people who were unconstitutionally abused are now doing the same thing, hence reverse racism & favortism. The moment you look at a woman, feminists immediately think "sexual abuse"
Knowing that, who is more at guilt, a person looking or the feminists who's first idea is that someone looking at her wants to have sex with her simply because she is a woman?
Feminism is not going to take the problem away, but rather backfire in the not-so-distant future. People can only take so much.
122 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
Modern day feminism is what I call Feminazism. Basically, they attack freedom of speech and thought. you can't even eye a girl in the work place because that's sexual harassment. Excuse me for noticing a hot chick.
If a company finds it necessary to fire someone for saying "nice tits" than let them, but if the government must get involved than they are being Thought Police.
Also with all this other stupid crap like somehow because the only lead characters in video games and movies are really hot chicks with nice bodies, that's all of a sudden offensive. Or how women in magazines are holding women all over the world to a higher standard. Listen, if you think you HAVE to look like a chick in a magazine, that makes you fucking stupid. Look at men, they don't give two fucks about dudes in magazines. Men aren't holding women to a higher standard, women are.
122 days ago | Tagged As: It hurts more then it helps
The feminists today are called third wave feminists.
From wiki
Third-wave feminism is a term identified with several diverse strains of feminist activity and study from 1990 to the present. The movement arose as a response to perceived possible failures and backlash against initiatives and movements created by second-wave feminism of c. 1960s through the 1970s. It also addressed issues that were not delved deeply into in the 1960s and 1970s, such as sexual harassment, largely due to the Anita Hill hearings in the Senate and violence against women. In 1992, the "Year of the Woman" saw four women enter the United States Senate to join the two already there. The following year another woman won a special election, bringing the number to seven. The 1990s also saw the first female United States Attorney General and Secretary of State, as well as the second woman on the Supreme Court, and the first First Lady to have an independent political, legal, corporate executive, activist, and public service career.
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