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Is the new Star Wars trilogy a feminazi propaganda piece?

Rey is way stronger with the force than even Anakin the chosen one himself and can use force powers such as "mind trick" that took him 10 years of training to master with 0 training and at a younger age. Rey is capable of physically overpowering men and aliens that are twice her size. Rey knows the Millenium Falcon better than Han Solo himself does even though she's never even been inside a working space craft except when she was like 5 years old. Rey can pretty much do everything with no experience or training even though she is just some malnourished desert scavenger, is it possible that they are going out of their way to make an over powered and damn near omnipotent female lead character in order to make a political statement?

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Disney is not raping Star Wars

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1)I don't mind her having these overblown abilities.

2)Yes. It's a Liberal political statement, but so is everything you will see in movies and on tv from now on unless Conservatives make their own Hollywood outlets. When I was young, the "statements" were much more Conservative because Liberals and Conservatives were much more Conservative than today. Jimmy Carter's Liberalism that respects God, loves the military, and loves America is gone.

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I disagree with you on many points bronto, but here you are right. As a massive SW nerd myself, I can say she has abilities that just din't make sense. She's an ace pilot, master of the force, beat a trained sith in lightsaber combat expert mechanic and fantastic with a blaster. While there's nothing wrong with her being a woman in and of itsself, she couldn't be more Marey Sue if she tried. However, to say that liberals hate the military and america is a bit judgmental - I'm a liberal, and i think both America and its military are fine, even though I'm Scottish.

Side: Mary Sue
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You make valid points.

And yet, in the end, it's all fiction anyway. As long as they hold the legal rights to the franchise they can do anything they want to it whether it makes sense in the science fiction or not.

Don't be surprised if Chewbacca ends up marying a white unicorn that pukes and poops rainbows.

Side: Mary Sue
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I think that they are definitely playing into the idea of intentionally portraying "female strength" and although I agree with your analysis of her powers being overblown in proportion to the rest of the Star Wars Franchise with no training (that we know about), however I view this as more of a product of bad writing/plot as compared to George Lucas.

Side note: FactMachine, are you familiar with Warren Farrell and his works Myth of Male Power, Why Men are the Way they Are, Why Men Earn More, ect. Also, have you happened to see the relatively new documentary Red Pill (although it is not all that detailed, I found it useful; unless you already know about all those issues in which case it is superfluous to watch)?

Side: Disney is not raping Star Wars

Just read the majority of Warren Farrell's wiki page, from that his views appear to be agreeable for the most part, apparently he was one of the first feminists to distinguish himself from modern day feminism due to it being less about equality and more about acquiring special privileges for women.

I have not watched Red Pill, but I have watched my fair share of the types of documentaries which use Matrix analogies. I searched it on youtube and couldn't find it for free. I am fairly certain however that I am familiar with most of it's content due to my consumption of Stefan Molyneux, Sargon of Akkad and similar material on youtube.

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The Red Pill documentary is free on Amazon Prime Video, if you are a Prime member. Also, Stefan does probably cover a lot of it, he has had the producer on his show before, her name is Cassie Jaye

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They create a character that happens to be female and suddenly it's "feminazi propaganda"? This wouldn't even be an issue if the character was male, it would be taken all in stride, even with all the special powers. Kinda feels like this is why women still have a ways to go.

I'm really curious to see how Luke is going to handle all of this, also really curious about .....Kai? Was that his name? Hopefully it'll be a good story all around, guess we'll have to see.

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FactMachine(409) Clarified
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They create a character that happens to be female and suddenly it's "feminazi propaganda"?

Even within the context of the fictional universe of Star Wars there are certain parameters one must take into account. Relative to other characters who are supposed to have the highest affinity to the force such as Anakin Skywalker Rey is blatantly superior to the point of making them look mediocre when you consider her lack of training. It is a fact that there is a political incentive to make more female and minority lead roles, as well as transgender ones, and Rey is deliberately designed to be a symbol of female power to the extent that it undermines the plot of the actual film, even if it was a male character with no training using master level force powers it would be inconsistent with Star Wars canon and ridiculous.

This wouldn't even be an issue if the character was male, it would be taken all in stride

It would be an issue if they where undermining the quality or consistency of the film in order to make a political statement about male power.

Kinda feels like this is why women still have a ways to go

We've all got a ways to go, third wave feminism just makes us go in the wrong direction. Instead of society out growing gender inequality and racial inequality feminists and people like BLM just want to put men at an economic disadvantage and make white people slaves.

Hopefully it'll be a good story all around

I think it will actually turn out to be pretty good in the end, Did you see Rogue One? That one had a female lead role too, I think Disney should be sued for not making her either black, hispanic or muslim.

In the future, all Star Wars films will have transgender lead roles, and it will be re-franchised as "Star- all genders are equal except white males"

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Mint_tea(2531) Clarified
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Well, we aren't entirely sure she has blatantly superior powers, Anakin was much younger and his raw talent was shaped and molded at a younger age but even then he used them without his knowledge. Perhaps Rey's is simply more so because it's been bottled up for far longer. We won't really be too sure til the movie comes out.

It would be an issue if they where undermining the quality or consistency of the film in order to make a political statement about male power.

Aw, come on. You know it wouldn't. We watch movies all the time where a white male has some super human or super abilities and don't even bat an eyelash. But when a character is not a white male it's suddenly about politics or trying to placate the minorities to some. Let's just enjoy the damn movie or show and not try to force some political/sexism/racism spectrum into it.

Did you see Rogue One? That one had a female lead role too,

I did see it, I thought it was ok. My husband liked it a lot more than Force Awakens.

I think Disney should be sued for not making her either black, hispanic or muslim.

If they should be brought down a peg for anything it's for their recent nonsense of wanting a higher cut from theaters which show the movie, and from their petty BS in trying to ban the Los Angeles Times.

Side: Mary Sue