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There is a god. There is no god.
Debate Score:67
Arguments:71
Total Votes:75
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Is there a "god" that is capable of and is active in influencing the lives of humans?

This debate is limited to the confines of Christianity. The affirmative side argues that there is a god who is capable of, and actively influences the lives of humans. The negative team argues that no such higher power exists.

There is a god.

Side Score: 32
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There is no god.

Side Score: 35

Of course there is. If you present Atheists reality, they scoff and walk away, or say that's stupid and present nothing. Example?

Either there was always nothing, and this magic nothing just magically manifested something, which would be magic, OR we have a regress of infinite causes, meaning, everything HAS a cause, but there was no "first cause", which would be magic as well. Atheists just glaze over this simple logic and have no coherant rebuttal... The fact is, we need an answer from beyond space and time, from beyond our reality all together, a programmer, a creator, a designer, whatever you wish. Where did He come from? Nowhere. All things, abstract or otherwise exist to him. There is no beginning. There is no end, where he is. Time does not exist beyond our reality other than in abstract thought. Being born does not exist except in abstract form. Everything just is, and God is the highest of all possibilities within this particular set where all things "are".

Side: There is a god.
catninja(249) Disputed
3 points

This isn't an answer to the question.

The question focuses on a god's influence over human life. Not the universe.

Your answer could equally well be given by a deist, who does not believe in a god who intervenes in human affairs, but who believes a conscious entity of some description brought the universe into being.

It is also possible that something can be created from your "magic nothing": http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-12/making-something-nothing-theory-says-matter-can-be-conjured-vacuum

https://phys.org/news/2010-12-theoretical-physics-breakthrough-antimatter-vacuum.html

Side: There is no god.
WinstonC(553) Disputed
1 point

Not a Christian and therefore not taking a side in this debate but actually in that cited experiment, aside from the fact that energy was used, so were particles. To quote the first article "All you need is an... open mind about what exactly "nothing" is (hint: it's something)."

Side: There is a god.
Mack(255) Disputed
1 point

"OR we have a regress of infinite causes, meaning, everything HAS a cause, but there was no "first cause", which would be magic as well."

Theists always say that an infinite regress is not possible, or just as magical as God, but I don't see why it seems so far fetched to you. Could you please give an explanation for why an infinite regress is physically impossible?

Side: There is no god.
WinstonC(553) Disputed
1 point

I'm not a Christian but the problem I have always had with infinite regression is the fact that we would have never reached the present, due to the fact there would be an infinite number of past events. To give an example, if we imagine a person on an infinite road, but there was an infinite distance between their current position and their desired destination, they would never reach their destination.

Side: There is a god.
xljackson(260) Disputed
1 point

I agree, there is a god, MY GOD, and he will crush you all.

Don't believe me? HahA!! I got it written in a book!

Side: There is no god.
1 point

God created everything that we see. He is the highest possibility of all things that are.

Side: There is a god.
Wolfgang666(127) Disputed
1 point

What is your evidence that backs up that hypothesis? Convince me

Side: There is no god.

There is one man made secular humanistic religion that influences billions of people.

These sheeples follow their secular political correct evolutionary God to the brink of financial and moral collapse and the world blindly falls in line. They have no moral foundation to hold on to.

Any person (who is not a God hating bigot) with the least of intellect sees what is happening to our culture as we separate God.

Spare me the bigoted nonsense of painting Christians with the same brush as the many man made hate filled religions.

This is what man is capable of when left to his own desires. The slippery slope of depravity.

Without a faith in God, a nation has no moral framework with which to guide it's laws.

The morals of man changes with the times as we see with NO RESTRICTION abortions, so called Transgender boys being allowed into our Daughter's bathrooms in public schools, Leftwing support for so called Pedophile right's, taking away our right to protection with conceiled hand guns, etc., forcing tax payers to pay for abortions through State medicaid, displaying the severed head of our President on the walls of Liberal Public funded Colleges, illegal immigration allowed, tax payer funding of organizations like Planned Parenthood dealing in the barbaric abortion trade, unbelievable debt spending taking our nation to the brink of bankrupcy, fathers and mothers abandoning their children leaving them for tax payers to support, people choosing to live together for years rather than making a commitment to each other and their children, etc. etc.

It's the self love me me generation that find's new ways each year to fall even further into the gutter.

As America separates our Christian heritage, it separates the very moral values that made us the greatest nation on Earth.

Ahteists once possessed the simple common sense to recognise the importance of our Christian faith, even though they themselves did not believe.

With all the so called enlightened progress in this nation, we are running full speed into a fiscal and moral collapse.

Men will never agree on whose moral values we should try to emmulate, so therefore we no longer lift up the importance of any moral values.

Side: There is a god.
1 point

Yes I do believe He does. The problem is many people simply don't listen. There is so much going on, we are either deaf to it, ignore it or believe it's something else like fate or luck.

Side: There is a god.
1 point

Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is just the God you're looking for. He is just one God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God in the form of the Son is eternally existant as Yeshua Ha Mashiach. Don't Blasphem the Holy Spirit. That is the only sin that can't be forgiven.

Side: There is a god.
0 points

The Bigots who go out of their way trying to insult Christians for their beliefs, are insecure people who hate the notion that many Christians are living more responsible lives then themselves. They will of course deny this fact and will try to say Christians are no more moral then they are.

Yes there are people calling themselves Christians who make little effort to live better lives, and bigots will use these examples to try and paint all Christians the same. The Left will always try to make you believe that the other side is just as bad.

Atheists put their faith in an evolutionary theory with absolutely no beginning. You see, if we simply evolved, then there are no moral values to try and live up to. Anything goes in this no fault Godless culture.

If there is no God, one might ask why bigots spend their lives worrying so over what Christians believe. I guess they are very insecure people who hate when others live moral responsible lives, while they choose to bring so many problems upon themselves.

Evolutionists do not know where the first living cell magically appeared. Yet they teach their man made secular humanist religion as fact in our schools.

God has influenced my life and many other Christian lives. The peace and wisdom obtained from faith in God changes our entire lives.

When you say influence our lives, I want you to understand what a huge influence God is on the lives of Christians.

When we grow into our teen years, we are bombarded by temptations from this world. Without faith in God, we could easily be led into worldly promiscuus irresponsible lifestlyes.

When peer groups try to influence you into drinking, taking illegal drugs, sex, drunk driving, speeding, etc., many Christians have the security and wisdom to know these things can destroy our lives. God gives us a roadmap to help keep us from all the pitfalls in life.

Without God, people constantly ignore the obvious harm from these irresponsible lifestlyes and glady follow the crowd.

It's more than just a book teaching us how to live. There is a power from our faith in God, giving us the will it takes to say no to so many worldly temptations. It gives us the wisdom to understnd that following the crowd leads to more heart ache, not less.

Side: There is a god.
Jace(4456) Disputed
1 point

Your lack of faith in humanity is the cornerstone of your faith in a God with no more foundation than evolutionary theory.

Side: There is no god.
2 points

We have plenty of foundation. If you do not know what said foundation is, you should educate yourself on what that foundation is, and make a decision based on the real foundation rather than what you guess Christians found their faith on.

https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/?ref=bookmarks

Side: There is a god.
2 points

Your lack of faith in humanity

Human beings are greedy, filled with hate, burn children alive, behead children, rape women, take sex slaves, are cannibals, cover women up with burkas, steal, envy, and much much more. Yes, I have a lack of faith in a group of creatures that would destroy itself, its environment and each other intentionally.

Side: There is a god.
2 points

No

If there is a God then he/she is relatively neutral.

People around the world pray to their respective gods for aid but nothing ever comes of it.

Anytime you hear of a prayer being answered, it always turns out that it would have happened anyway without the being guided by a magical,anthropomorphic, immortal.

We live in a world that works perfectly fine without even the concept of a God.

In fact there is no evidence for a God.

Side: There is no god.
1 point

To believe in the Christian god is illogical , belivers claim to have a ' realationship ' with a supernatural entity that cannot be seen heard or touched yet exists but fullfills none of the criteria of existent things .

Science cannot detect this supernatural entity so what method should be used to detect this entity ?

The world has natural disasters , wars , crime , happiness ,pleasures this is the way the world is what difference would a god make to the world we live in ?

Three questions for the believer demonstrating how weak their position is ....

You cannot make the claim god is omniscient and knows the future while also claiming that he has free will and can change his mind. If a god does know the future then he could not change the future because his mind would already be made up so there would be nothing to change.

You cannot claim god is perfect while also claiming he is a creator. This is because being perfect means having no wants or needs so there would be no reason for him to create anything. If he needed to create something this would make him imperfect.

You cannot claim god is just while also claiming god is merciful. If god is just he is treating the person exactly how they deserve to be treated. If god is merciful he would be treating a person better than they deserve to be treated.

Side: There is no god.
Jace(4456) Disputed
2 points

Logic and science cannot prove themselves, and though they may seem reliable to people like you and me... the Christian God seems reliable to them. Without using logic and science to prove themselves, which contradicts their core premises, how can we be certain that there is no Christian God?

The inability to prove God through science or reason is not proof against the existence of God. The existence of God need not impact the (perceived) harms you reference in order to exist, although on the Christian account the difference is that the events can take on a significance as part of a broader plan (maybe we find that horrifying, but that just means the Christian God is horrifying to us... not that He doesn't exist).

Omniscience and omnipotence are at odds for beings who live linearly in time, but the Christian God is not constrained in this fashion. Moreover, a being who transcends our limitations might be beyond our conception (because it is beyond our capacity) but that does not make it impossible... just inconceivable.

Why does perfection mean having no interests or motives, particularly on the Christian account? And is there a discrepancy between human conception of perfection and what perfection actually is?

Why does mercy necessarily entail treating someone better than they deserve to be treated? Where is your concept of mercy deriving from? There are other accounts of mercy that are compatible with being justice, where indeed to be just is to be merciful because mercy is doing right by the person and anything beyond mercy is a self-serving excess.

Side: There is no god.
Dermot(2916) Clarified
2 points

As an atheist I always claim I lack belief in gods , other times I will say I do not believe in a god , if challenged by a believer I say well if you can say you totally believe in a god I can just as easily assert the opposite .

One other thing is I can also using Christian ' logic ' demonstrate that they cannot justify claiming the nature of their god is good , I can show this position is untenable and a rationalist could not fault my position

How can we be certain there no Christian god ? We cannot be 100 per cent certain but after a lifetime of studying the question I'm fairly confidant in my position as in there's no god or gods .

How does one use science and reason to investigate supernatural claims ?

I've yet to see any solid evidence for any of the countless amount of claims for supernatural entities that are made almost daily worldwide ; so I reasonably ask myself what's more likely which I think fair enough .

How does a believer know about their god ?

For me it was as a Catholic I was told about the way god ' operated ' and his plans and reasons for doing things every Christian is told a version of the basic tale as in the bible and none of them agree with each other's version which is why we have 30,000 denominations of Christianity worldwide .

Not one person has ever effectively defined this being they have a ' relationship ' with yet they claim to know it's will and mind ; you of course can answer the three questions I asked because one never defines their god but constantly make new revised statements to allow their god to avoid any pitfalls as in tricky questions .

What does perfection mean ? From a Christian point of view it means God is complete , faultless and totally sufficient in every aspect of his being and ways

Our ideas about perfection as humans may differ .

Regards mercy one would think that a morally perfect being would treat someone better than they deserve , isn't that what a fairly decent but morally flawed human might do ?

Seeing as we are talking about the Christian god the only way to know about him is through his word as in the bible which has 500 to 1000 contradictions in it , is littered with errors and pure fantasy

I dismissed this book as pure nonsense a long time ago as it's the most ridiculous story and rather amusing that an all powerful god would need such a ridiculous back story to explain his existence

Side: There is a god.
jeffreyone(920) Clarified
1 point

Why does perfection mean having no interests or motives, particularly on the Christian account? And is there a discrepancy between human conception of perfection and what perfection actually is?

God is morally perfect because laws of morality were made for his creation.

He can do as he pleases and it is just perfect.

God is perfect in talent/abilities/omnipotence because his creations are limited in all their abilities. Any ability man posses, he can do multiple times than that and that is the highest standard/bar no one else rises above.

Ex. If the whole world's talent sumed up could be measured in monetary value as $1000, he alone can do $9000000+. Compare to individual creations and he is omnipotent.

That is the logic.

The witless always try to make God subject to the moral laws made only for creation .....

Side: There is a god.
1 point

I am a Christian however I believe in proof and surely if there was a God we would all be certain about it because he would present himself in an obvious way. I am open minded however I feel that a story that has been passed down generations that may or may not be true isn't worth wasting life over. We only discovered that the earth wasn't flat in the 20th century, we are always discovering new things.

Side: There is no god.

I am open minded however I feel that a story that has been passed down generations that may or may not be true isn't worth wasting life over. We only discovered that the earth wasn't flat in the 20th century, we are always discovering new things.

Well you're one of the most sensible Christians I've ever spoken to, that's for sure.

Side: There is no god.
1 point

This is the kind of attitude that makes me actually want to be a Christian again.

Side: There is no god.
0 points

There are many man made Gods very capable of influencing billions of mindless 'sheepeople'.

Side: There is no god.
FromWithin(5083) Disputed
1 point

There is one man made secular humanistic religion that influences billions of mindless sheeppeople.

These sheeples follow their secular political correct evolutionary God to the brink of financial and moral collapse and the world blindly falls in line. They have no moral foundation to hold on to.

Any person (who is not a God hating bigot) with the least of intellect sees what is happening to our culture as we separate God.

Spare me the bigoted nonsense of painting Christians with the same brush as the many man made hate filled religions.

This is what man is capable of when left to his own desires. The slippery slope of depravity.

Without a faith in God, a nation has no moral framework with which to guide it's laws.

The morals of man changes with the times as we see with NO RESTRICTION abortions, so called Transgender boys being allowed into our Daughter's bathrooms in public schools, Leftwing support for so called Pedophile right's, taking away our right to protection with conceiled hand guns, etc., forcing tax payers to pay for abortions through State medicaid, displaying the severed head of our President on the walls of Liberal Public funded Colleges, illegal immigration allowed, tax payer funding of organizations like Planned Parenthood dealing in the barbaric abortion trade, unbelievable debt spending taking our nation to the brink of bankrupcy, fathers and mothers abandoning their children leaving them for tax payers to support, people choosing to live together for years rather than making a commitment to each other and their children, etc. etc.

It's the self love me me generation that find's new ways each year to fall even further into the gutter.

As America separates our Christian heritage, it separates the very moral values that made us the greatest nation on Earth.

Ahteists once possessed the simple common sense to recognise the importance of our Christian faith, even though they themselves did not believe.

With all the so called enlightened progress in this nation, we are running full speed into a fiscal and moral collapse.

Men will never agree on whose moral values we should try to emulate, so therefore we no longer lift up the importance of any moral values.

Side: There is a god.
Wolfgang666(127) Disputed
2 points

We can't all believe in an invisible magic man in the sky that doesn't do anything for us.

Side: There is no god.