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Yes, here it is No, there isn't one
Debate Score:100
Arguments:72
Total Votes:101
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Is there a reason to believe in God?

I have not heard a well thought out reason to believe in God. Is it simply the hope of an afterlife? Protection? Sense of security?

Yes, here it is

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No, there isn't one

Side Score: 49
4 points

My belief is that religion is here to give some people a sense of security, and in many cases, a sense of meaning. It's also a way to escape choice, by following a book or whatever to just tell them what is right or wrong. Religion-ism has always seemed like a cowardice and or a nonintellectual way to live life. I've not found a good standpoint to believing in something like god myself, but I do think that it's important to exist for some people...

Side: Yes, here it is
bobbyjohn(44) Disputed
1 point

Sense of meaning? how about we dont know what happens to us after we die so lets enjoy this life to the fullest? how about that for meaning? there is no reason to believe in god for meaning the fact that we have a life is meaning enough its just that people are taught to believe in god when they are children that is why they can not see that living life to the fullest is meaning.

Side: No, there isn't one
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
2 points

So do all Christians become so when they are children? Can an adult not become a Christian?

Side: Yes, here it is
3 points

Look up the ontological, teleological, transcendental, and cosmological arguments. There are more arguments than these but these are the ones off the top of my head. If you do not understand them, then ask me and I will try to explain them.

Side: Yes, here it is
ThePlague(218) Disputed
2 points

Why don't go through them to support your claims. Here I will help you. Explain the transcendental argument please. I have only skimmed the surface of it.

Side: No, there isn't one
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
3 points

Since logic is the process of the mind and logically absolutes exist, then it follows that an absolute mind that is transcendent of the universe and time must have created it.

Side: Yes, here it is
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Those are all worthless. They all say in some form or another that because you have defined God to exist He exists, that's a terrible reason to believe anything.

Side: No, there isn't one
3 points

There is reason to believe in the possibility of a God.

Side: Yes, here it is
1 point

Please, do elaborate. Tell me, what reasons exist? Do list a few, please.

Side: Yes, here it is
1 point

I said reason, not reasons. I can give you only one...

Nobody knows shit. Unless God reveals himself to us, we won't have any answers until we die... and if he doesn't exist, then we won't know anything.

Side: Yes, here it is
2 points

Peace of mind, if it's a benevolent god

Side: Yes, here it is

I feel like it makes be personally a better person to believe in God. It helps me get through the tougher moments of my life.

Side: Yes, here it is

Logic as we understand it can't prove or disprove the existence of a god. Logic as we understand it can not prove how the big bang started. It always contradicts itself when we try.. So it's safe to assume that we were created within a different realm of logic.

If we try to use logic as we comprehend it then there's no way to prove or disprove that there is a god.

Side: Yes, here it is
ThePlague(218) Disputed
2 points

Logic as we understand it can not prove how the big bang started.

How is that? Logic surfaces within the bounds of knowledge. If we gain more knowledge of the origin of a big bang we can logically explain how it started.

It always contradicts itself when we try.. So it's safe to assume that we were created within a different realm of logic.

It is safe to say that it is a possibility. It is not safe to say that it is an absolute.

If we try to use logic as we comprehend it then there's no way to prove or disprove that there is a god.

With the logic we have now we can certainly disprove some deities.

Side: No, there isn't one
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

"It is safe to say that it is a possibility."

That's exactly what I just said reworded >.>

"With the logic we have now we can certainly disprove some deities"

Irrelevant.

Side: Yes, here it is
Jace(4706) Disputed
2 points

While absolute proof is lacking for both sides, there is probable ground to disbelieve in a god or gods whereas there is no such probable ground to substantiate a belief in a god or gods.

That we have not perfected our understanding of the universe does not discredit logic, but leaves room for possibility. Given what we do know logically and based on proof, we can conclude that such a possibility for the existence of god(s) is more likely untrue. For instance, there is research indicating a biological origin of faith (and thus religion, and thus god). There are also plentiful sociological explanations for the presence of religion.

Side: No, there isn't one
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

When I meditate I see this white light and it speaks to me and gives me all the answers.

This is why I believe in god.

But you can't prove that this didn't happen and I can't prove to you that it did happen.

But whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. It's the reason why I believe.

"more likely untrue"

That is not definite though so their is still room for belief.

Side: Yes, here it is
1 point

There are a number of reasons of varying quality. Is it not reasonable to believe in god as a fictional character in various insanely popular stories?

Side: Yes, here it is
2 points

There really isnt. It makes people not live their life to the fullest. Who is to say there is an afterlife? God was an idea created by a human to put the guilty conscious into people when they act against that human (who created 'god') deemed wrong. yeah sure theres the 'hope' aspect but you have to see that 'hope' that something will make everything better ruins society, people not studying for tests but 'praying' to god <-- what a waste of time. If all of society was like this then we would be in ruins. People say the idea of god unites humans ... um no the only idea that unites humans is that we are here on this earth and have the instinct to survive. Sorry if this offends anyone just my two cents.

Side: No, there isn't one
2 points

There is absolutely no reason to believe in god. There's no proof of his existence, nor any evidence for it nor any necessity for his existence. The only reason i can fathom is that people struggling or people with weak minds might need god and religion to fall back on for support. It can be comforting sure but has absolutely no affect on ones life literally.

Side: No, there isn't one
1 point

This is what I am arguing with the user named Lolzors93. He said that it is possible that God created the universe. I said I agree, but that is only a possibility and possibility doesn't trump hard logic. Then he rambles on without logic. This user must not know everything he claims to know.

Side: No, there isn't one
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

He said that it is possible that God created the universe.

This makes it clear to me that you did not understand the argument. I was not referring to the universe; I was referring to logic.

I straight up said that the argument was as follows: "Since logic is the process of the mind and logically absolutes exist, then it follows that an absolute mind that is transcendent of the universe and time must have created it."

Side: Yes, here it is

Bingo. You got the usual schpiel nothing new. Do yourself a favor and don't bother with him anymore. You get word tricks and rambling in circles with him and you never get anywhere in any direction. He has no clue what logic is nor how evidence is employed in a situation.

Side: No, there isn't one
1 point

Strictly speaking, no. A reason implies a valid, rational explanation which the belief in any god or gods cannot produce. Faith, religion, and god are byproducts of the evolution of the human brain and there is no reason to view them as anything more or less than that. As the human conscious has developed and the sense of self emerged, there have been far more questions than answers and religiosity presented itself as biological and social adaptation. As with most adaptations, there are direct benefits and secondary consequences. With the continued developments of human consciousness and society religion will become a less advantageous characteristic.

As a side-note, I think it is important to consider that religious belief is not a mental weakness, but rather another way of being that is not really a matter of individual choice at all. I think it is also important to acknowledge that not all of religions contributions have been negative.

Side: No, there isn't one

The belief in God has caused many wars, terror attacks and has held back scientific advance for years. Also people have used belief in God as a way to exploit others and gain power and wealth.

In my opinion the belief in a creator God (or Gods) is a delusion that distracts us from making progress and realising that we need to to work for ourselves to attain gods and not to expect a mystical to do the work for us.

Side: No, there isn't one
1 point

There is no way of proving that a God exists or not, that is reason enough to believe or not to believe, myself I believe that there is some higher power, some call it God, some call it the Great Spirit or whatever, I choose to believe there is something. It has nothing to do with being weak minded its just what I believe.

Side: No, there isn't one
2 points

Actually we can. If the God has contradictory qualities, like the God in the Holy Bible then we can logical say that specifc God doesn't exist, unless the bible lies.

Side: No, there isn't one
TheAshman(2299) Clarified
1 point

The bible is just an old book written by men which is allegedly the word of God, it may have been originally but has been translated so many times mistakes are bound to have happened so I don't believe it is any more, I think the bible is now more of a guide book to life, a real life hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, it throws up more questions than it answers but to me that's the essence of it, don't just follow blindly ask questions until you have the answers to life the universe and everything that is the path to enlightenment, its a long path and not many of us will figure it out but it'll be fun trying if we choose to accept the challenge

Side: Yes, here it is