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 Is there such a thing as morality or is it man made? (22)

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Is there such a thing as morality or is it man made?

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Man made. We have a sense of morality because we have been educated and taught to behave in a certain way.

The reason we have an aversion to murder is because we possess strong social bonds which pushes us away from wanting to destroy those bonds. A man with a strong family life, lots of friends and a good job is far less likely to commit murder than say an isolated man/woman who has been abused and tormented all their life.

People who commit murder generally have less to lose than those who do not.

So where does morality come in to this, you ask? Well, this sort of thing shows that morality is a social construct. If there were no risks to murdering someone; if there were no laws against it (or laws encouraging it) and if we knew we would lose absolutely no friends, family, our job or society's general respect then we would be far more inclined to do it.

For a less extreme example, look at children. Very young children tend to lie because they have no concept of morality. If morality was some sort of separate entity which exists inside us, why would children lie? Shouldn't they be naturally inclined to tell the truth? Obviously, this is not the case. We teach children not to lie, just as we teach children not to steal, murder, rape, assault, etc...

I like to adapt Plato's Cave when talking about this (even if they're completely different topics). Imagine a man has been raised in a cave, with no human contact for his entire life. When he escapes the cave, would he have an internal push towards telling the truth, to not stealing, to not murdering, to not attacking people? No, of course he wouldn't. The concept of morality would not exist to him, because morality is a social construct, not a spiritual internal entity which drives us towards a common goal.

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Morality comes from us and is ever evolving , societies change and people's moral outlooks also change with societal changes .

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MAN MADE! We have lived through wars and cruelty, sadness and poverty, good and bad and WE have chosen what is good for us, and made the good stuff "our MORALS". Societies create the best morals. Christian "morals" brought about torture, burning at the stake, taking more than could be afforded to "support the church", forced respect for those who ran the church. Islam, again, gave us torture, dismemberment, and an even worse disrespect for women's rights! (maybe a matter of opinion, I guess).

Societies trend more toward people's feelings and rights than a non-flexible, ancient "proclamation" laid down by a controlling entity, a "Comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh", as the quote goes.

If we let society make the rules there will be a happier world and far less disagreement.

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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AL of Road Island tell what societies that you know of create rules for morals ?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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All of them. Dumb shit.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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I could, but, you've shown your level of understanding to be very low so I won't waste my time.

Amarel(5669) Disputed
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If we let society make the rules there will be a happier world and far less disagreement.

How do you feel about Nazi society, Khan Mongolian society, Maoist society, Stalinist society?

How can you say that "WE have chosen what is good for us" while railing against things that are bad for us. Couldn't we just decide that all those bad things you listed are in fact good for us? If we cannot simply decide that sadness and cruelty are actually good or preferable, then we cannot claim the morality is entirely man made.

Is health man made? No. Does it change with people and context? Yes. Do we have ongoing arguments about what is actually healthy? Sure. Morality is analogous to health in this way.

Narwhal(56) Clarified
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Just because there are limitations does not mean morality transcends humanity. We can't make negative things good because of biological imperatives (including ones that translate to sociological norms).

Unless, I suppose, you are arguing evolutionary morality.

Edit: right after posting this I noticed your next comment where you explicitly argue for evolutionary morality, so ignore this whole post.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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There were times, while society was learning, that were much worse, far more widespread, than they are today. Society learns, fights for what's right, and eventually wins. We become more civilized, as a whole, the longer we survive. We also lose our "gods", debunk our myths, expand our knowledge, civilize our society. Civilization is man made, the civilized society is man made. Our quest for health and peace forms our morality while we choose what is good for us. That's the way I see it, you choose to see it differently. Choice is what's good for us.

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Morality is not man made, it is an evolved trait. Humans have taken the next step to make explicit that which has developed only implicitly. While different people will put forth various moral codes depending a number of factors, some moral codes will be more in line with the purpose for which morality evolved in the first place, which is as any evolved trait, survival. Thus, morality is real and while it is not independent of the human experience, it can be said the be objective in nature.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/evol-eth/

Mix with that moral nihilism, and you get my position on the topic.

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Interesting reading thanks for sharing , I recently came across a piece in psychology today which was fascinating reading ....

This post is excerpted, with changes, from the book Darwin, God and the Meaning of Life by Steve Stewart-Williams - available now from Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, and Amazon.uk.

Is morality an adaptation, crafted by the invisible hand of natural selection? Or do we just make it up? This turns out to be a tricky question to answer. On the one hand, there's little doubt that evolutionary theory can shed light on the origins of some of the behaviours that fall within the rubric of morality, including altruism, empathy, and our characteristic attitudes about certain kinds of sexual behaviour. On the other hand, the morality-as-adaptation hypothesis faces some serious challenges. If morality were a direct product of evolution, why would people constantly argue about what's right and wrong? Why would we spend so much time teaching our children to be good, and inculcating in them virtues such as generosity? Why would we experience inner conflict between what we think is morally right and what we really want to do? You might expect that, as an evolutionary psychologist, I'll have snappy comebacks for each of these questions. But I don't; I think they represent important criticisms and I don't think that morality is a direct product of evolution. What I do think, and what I'll argue in this post, is that morality is a social institution. To some extent, it embodies and reflects our evolved inclinations, but to some extent it also counteracts them.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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"It's an evolved trait". YES! It evolved by being seen as the best way to go. MAN made, and accepted "rules for behavior", and punishments for MIS-behavior, whether by law or shame. If man had NOT made the rules, accepted the morality as a way of life, that way of life would not exist! Thus, MAN made what we accept as right and wrong.

Putin, for example, goes by a different set of rules and morality. He poisons people ... or they just disappear. HE has MADE his own morality. HE goes around the rules of society. HIS morality is what HE has made for his own use, it didn't "evolve".

Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Man did give chimps their sense of reciprocity.

You may not realize that your position is in support of Putin's behavior as it is "right for him".

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This is a dumb question. Wrong is wrong, and right is right. People who insist situation ethics equals morality are perverts.