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Debate Score:	23
Arguments:	29
Total Votes:	31
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Factology (405)

Is there such a thing as objective truth?

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There is necessarily such a thing as objective truth, or matters that are true regardless of opinion. If there is no such thing, then the objective truth is that there is no such thing. Which means only the affirmative can be the case without a logical contradiction.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Musashi (5) Disputed

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There is necessarily such a thing as objective truth, or matters that are true regardless of opinion. If there is no such thing, then the objective truth is that there is no such thing. Which means only the affirmative can be the case without a logical contradiction.

What if there are infinite contradicting realities? then it would truly be the truth that there is no objective truth because the truth would be that for every truth the opposite is also true, so literally nothing would be the truth.

5 years ago Side: No

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Amarel (5669) Disputed

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What if there are infinite contradicting realities?

Then that would be the one true nature of reality.

then it would truly be the truth that there is no objective truth

If it would truly be the truth, then that would be the objective truth. Objective truth cannot be eliminated. Not even with the most extreme logical paradox.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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marcusmoon (576)

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Yep, there absolutely is objective truth.

All people who have ever stepped on a nail or hit their thumbs with a hammer know that objective truth is actually there.

There is nothing subjective about dying in a car wreck.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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It's an objective truth that magick is real and christians have demonized it in order to keep humans enslaved and untapped in their natural powers. Christianity is slavery.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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themadgadfly (889)

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If subjective truth exists, how does truth itself exist? Truth is defined as the state of being true, and true is defined as in accordance with fact or reality. So, because facts aren't subjective, can truth be subjective? No. I think most people mix up truth with opinion, which are two different things indeed.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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I think there is an object truth. If there was not an objective truth, then how could anything exist? Even if everything we think exists doesn't exist there is still something that exists or even the perception of things existing couldn't exist.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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I can answer that question if you want. It's not just possible but the actual case that there is no objective truth and yet we exist to ourselves.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Factology (405) Disputed

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I can answer that question if you want. It's not just possible but the actual case that there is no objective truth and yet we exist to ourselves.

Your consciousness objectively exists, how could we "exist to ourselves" without consciousness? and how can consciousness exist in a vacuum and build it's own subjective reality from nothing? If you don't understand that you are objectively sentient without any mental gymnastics subjectivist bullshit then that makes me question if you really are sentient to begin with.

5 years ago Side: No

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Mingiwuwu (1446)

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There is no truth at all, there is the most convincing lie. Illuminati understand this well.

5 years ago Side: No

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Amarel (5669) Disputed

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There is no truth at all

Is that true ?

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Mingiwuwu (1446)

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To me, it is.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Amarel (5669) Disputed

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If you are correct, and I say that it’s not true for me, then it is true that it’s false for me and true for you.

Also, a convincing lie presupposes a truth from which the lie deviates.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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I'm sure that, in your world, you just proved objective truth. In mine you didn't.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Factology (405) Clarified

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I'm sure that, in your world, you just proved objective truth. In mine you didn't.

If there is no objective reality, then there is still no "your truth" or "my truth" because there is no truth. But since we both exist and we are experiencing some type of existence we know that things do exist objectively even if we live in some kind of subjective bubble world. The only way that objective reality could not exist is if there was literally nothing, because in order for you to have a subjective experience in the first place your consciousness has to objectively exist.

It's also important to think about what the word "reality" means and understand that by definition if it's not objective reality it's not reality. Even if you have your own subjective "world" the notion of a "subjective reality" is inherently nonsensical because reality means reality, not what you think is reality. There is no objective truth in "your world" and if you don't believe in objective truth you are claiming that it's an objective truth that there is no objective truth, which there obviously is because some type of reality objectively exists even if we are completely ignorant of it's nature and live in our own "world" because like I said the consciousness experiencing the world is objectively real which means it's objective reality that sentience is sentient.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Factology (405) Disputed

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There is no truth at all, there is the most convincing lie. Illuminati understand this well.

If there is no truth than how can you make claims such as "God is a female random number generator". This is incoherent logic. If there is no truth then God existing can't be the truth, God being female can't be the truth, and random numbers creating reality can't be the truth.

5 years ago Side: Yes

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Mingiwuwu (1446)

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Everything you say is true to you unless you're knowingly lying. :)

5 years ago Side: Yes

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