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Yes. No.
Debate Score:6
Arguments:12
Total Votes:6
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Is this man a murderer?

Let's say a man walks up to another, much older man(who is in, at least, his late 70s). The younger man then tells the older man that he will be dead by midnight that night. The older man panics, goes home, and locks all of his doors and fastens all of his windows. As midnight approaches, the elder gradually gets more and more stressed until finally, he has a heart attack and dies precisely at midnight. Is the young man a murderer, and should he be responsible for the elder's death?

Yes.

Side Score: 1
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No.

Side Score: 5

Well... He could be responsible for the old mans death. He made the old man panic until he had a heart attack. But, he is the indirect cause of the heart attack.

Side: Yes.
Hypothetical(68) Clarified
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Let's say such a case as this went to court, with the younger gentleman being tried for manslaughter, and you were part of the jury. What would your position as a juror on this case be? Would you vote guilty, not guilty, or hold that the charges should be dropped and re-filed as second, or potentially first, degree murder?

Side: Yes.
1 point

I would find himguilty if charged with manslaughter.............................

Side: No.
1 point

No, there was practically no way for the man to know his actions would risk another's death.

Side: No.
Hypothetical(68) Clarified
1 point

Let's say the young man were to admit he intended for the "threat" to cause the man to have a heart attack, in a scenario such as this; the young man is the elder's spoiled grandson. The grandson knows of his grandfathers' numerous heart conditions, and enacts the aforementioned scenario with the intention of the elder dying for the purpose of the grandson having claim on his inheritance. Would this change your position at all?

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yeah, in that very specific circumstance the young man has extra knowledge about the risk of his actions, so is guilty. I don't know if the law would see it that way though.

Side: No.
1 point

No. I could walk up to anyone and say that but it means nothing. The fact that the man went and stressed over it and caused a self-fulfilling prophecy was his own fault.

Side: No.
Hypothetical(68) Clarified
1 point

Let's say, instead of a younger and elderly man, we'll make it two teenagers. If one bullies the other, strictly verbally/online, no physical abuse; and the victim commits suicide and makes it clearly known that the reason for committing suicide is from the abuse, is the bully at fault for their death? Does this scenario change your position on the aforementioned? In other words, does what you specifically say to a person(or how, for how long, or why you say something to a person) matter in these instances?

Side: Yes.
Mint_tea(4031) Clarified
1 point

In this different scenario I would say partially. Instead of seeking help against the bullies the teen choose to kill himself, by his own hand that is his own action. However such action had help. Dependent on the level of bullying the one who committed the act of aggression, albeit verbal, could be charged with involuntary manslaughter. It doesn't have to be physical abuse to be abuse.

Side: Yes.
1 point

No. Most people gain in wisdom as they grow old and in the scenario which you describe the mature gent would almost certainly have dismissed the prophecy as the ravenings of a drugged up lunatic halfwit.

If, however the elderly man took the youth's forecast to heart and your storyline concluded with the victim's death then the stupid old fools untimely end could, in part be attributed to the shithead youth as it was his forecast of doom that was root of the problem.

Side: No.
Hypothetical(68) Clarified
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Let's say the younger gentleman was aware of numerous heart conditions the old man was suffering from, and intended for his forecast to cause the elder to die of a heart attack. Does simply knowing the intent of the perpetrator alter your position on this scenario at all? Keep in mind that omitting information doesn't necessarily deny it, so this could very well have been the case in the original scenario, but left out for any number of reasons.

Side: Yes.
Antrim(1297) Clarified
1 point

Well, I've already stated that the youth's sinister forecast could be considered a contributory factor in the old man's death.

A pre-existing heart condition would not necessarily have formed part the pensioner's demise as the coronary disease would have had to been accompanied by stupidity and a nervous disposition for the heart attack to be triggered.

It is logical to assume however that the old man did not suffer from the aforementioned character flaws as if he had he would have been dead long before reaching old age.

Side: Yes.