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Is torture justified?

Lets say torturing of 1 person could save millions of lives, is it worth it? If so what do you constitute as torture? Is it more mental or physical torture? 

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90% mental, 7% physical 3% good-cop coming in to make them feel a tiny jolt of security and pleasure and then back to the 90% again.

This is the CIA's recommendation and I must say it does work... The issue is when they are torturing people even after they say 'please I don't know more'... They have to torture to make sure... They make them think there's a way out... The asset, even if they live a few more months, always ends up as a corpse...

Welcome to the real world...

It's damn worth it though. You cannot fathom how much has been prevented as you will never hear about what didn't (but was about to) happen.

Side: Yes

The CIA does use mostly mental torture. So you do know some things. OK

Source for that would be the Kubark

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19RYgQJmXGzavceyYRTAgjKuq6NZquaQD

Mental torture is the same reason most people commit suicide mental bullying. It breaks a person down to nothing makes them feel useless or it can make them feel they own the world. All depends on what the situation is.

Side: Yes

In the end the question is which is worse, terrorism or torture?

I will of course say torture as I'm scared shit of being taken away and never seen again but I also will say torture because in the case of most situations it's fucking true.

In fact, even terrorists themselves use torture to gain information from the enemy. You literally need torture at times... Sorry but it's the fucking truth.

If you don't blackmail, don't exploit weaknesses and don't bribe at all, you just can't stop your enemy infiltrating you and destroying you in unthinkable ways. Security is fucking important and before anyone goes calling them savages and hypocrites for using torture, they should think why the fuck this person is being tortured in the first place.

The only time I ever feel sorry for someone is if they literally are being tortured purely by association. This is the one case where it's sad as hell.

Side: Yes

I wanted to mock your infantile NRA sensationalism about civil war because it's spectacularly stupid, but it appears you've banned me from that thread without me even writing anything, so thanks for that.

Regards torture, then whether it is morally justified is entirely subjective because morality itself is entirely subjective. What is not subjective however, are the facts of what happens when a person is tortured. Pain is bad. Person wants to stop pain. Person says anything to stop pain. In other words, torture is ineffective at its own purpose of extracting reliable, truthful information. Torture therefore cannot be intellectually justified.

Side: No
NathanAllen(2145) Clarified
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Don't fuck this up. You are one of my enemies of course you will be banned from it. I will un-ban you for now till you prove why I ban you in the first place.

Side: Yes
GoodListener(548) Clarified
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Do I get the same discretion? I am much more polite than him and friendly to you.

Side: Yes
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Pain is bad. Person wants to stop pain. Person says anything to stop pain. In other words, torture is ineffective at its own purpose of extracting reliable, truthful information. Torture therefore cannot be intellectually justified

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

Torturer: Give me the code.

Torturee: No.

(Pain)

Torturer: Give me the code.

Torturee: No.

Torturer: Okay I'm getting the testicle clippers.

Torturee: 4632187643

Torturer: Thanks...

(Torturer uses code)

Explain to us which part of that your walnut sized brain doesn't grasp.

Side: Yes
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If it were to save a million lives, fine. But that is just a hypothetical situation. In real life, I believe there is no justification for torturing anybody.

Side: No
1 point

If it could save millions of lives, sure. The problem is that we know from experience that the carrot is far more effective than the stick in extracting reliable information (1).

Sources:

(1) https://journalistsresource.org/studies/ government/security-military/does-torture-work-research-says-no

Side: No
1 point

Nothing is actually justified, but everything is justified. How I answer the question is heavily contingent on who the parties involved are: if the subject being tortured is me or someone I care about then no, if the people being saved by the torture are me or someone I care about then sure, and if no one I care about is affected then I don't really care but would say no if pressed since I don't go in for utilitarianism.

Side: No