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Islam Vs. Christianity

Islam vs. Christianity

Which is most likely to be right?

Conditions:

1.Assuming God exists

2.Assuming one of the two has to be right

3.Based on reason, (not faith), or realistic evidence

Islam

Side Score: 185
VS.

Christianity

Side Score: 228
11 points

What I don’t like about Christianity vs. Islam debates is that Muslims see Jesus (peace be upon him) as one of the most praised profits, but Muhammad (PBUH) means nothing to Christians which allows some of them to state ridiculous comments about him.

Jesus submitted to god (no doubt about it) which is seen in Islam as one of the causes/ or evidence disproving his deity or for criticizing trinity. “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:42. Jesus himself is quoted as saying that he does nothing of his own initiative, that he did not come to do his own will, that he was sent and not a sender, and that what he taught was not his. See John 6:38, John 7:16, John 8:42

But let’s imagine for the sake of argument that we were friends of Jesus (PBUH) and ate a heavy meal just before we head back together to the village. Now because he is human, he needed to use the bathroom but he can’t hold on till he gets home so he hides behind the bushes to go. Do you think in your own mind that can be in the resume of a supreme being or god.

Islam means total submission to god, the creator and sustainer of the universe. That is the same religion that was practiced by Jesus (PBUH) where he submitted totally to one god. Even Moses submitted to god as Abraham did, which is the same principle breached by Islam.

Then Moses said to him, “If your Presence does not go with us, do not send us up from here. How will anyone know that you are pleased with me and with your people unless you go with us? What else will distinguish me and your people from all the other people on the face of the earth?” And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.” Exodus 33:15-17

Mother Mary verse in Quran (Surat Maryam) says:

88 And they say: "The Most Beneficent (Allah) has begotten a son (or offspring or children) (as the Jews say: Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that He has begotten a son (Iesa (Christ) ), and the pagan Arabs say that He has begotten daughters (angels, etc.))."

89 Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing.

90 Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins,

91 That they ascribe a son (or offspring or children) to the Most Beneficent (Allah).

92 But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Beneficent (Allah) that He should beget a son (or offspring or children).

93 There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) as a slave.

94 Verily, He knows each one of them, and has counted them a full counting.

95 And everyone of them will come to Him alone on the Day of Resurrection (without any helper, or protector or defender).

96 Verily, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah and in His Messenger (Muhammad SAW)) and work deeds of righteousness, the Most Beneficent (Allah) will bestow love for them (in the hearts of the believers).

97 So We have made this (the Quran) easy in your own tongue (O Muhammad SAW), only that you may give glad tidings to the Muttaqoon (pious and righteous persons - See V.2:2), and warn with it the Ludda (most quarrelsome) people.

98 And how many a generation before them have We destroyed! Can you (O Muhammad SAW) find a single one of them or hear even a whisper of them?

Side: islam
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Islam is not submission to God, it's bow to the Muslims and be their slave or get your head cut off.

Side: Christianity
tariq88(3) Disputed
1 point

where in holy quran it is said cut their head off please one verse

Side: Islam
Mg78989(1) Clarified
1 point

Honestly all religions should be respected. It is by our religion that all people should be respected. The issue is that some Poole do not understand this, I mena all people have flaws? You can not base a community on the foundation of a couple of people. I respect you and your beliefs you respect mine, give and take. People read a verse without reading the next and jump to conclusions. The media is wrong, there are good Muslims ones that actually follow the Quran. Please, pick a translation of it and read it and understand it. Or go to a mosque it will all be clear. This is not an attempt to convert yoy but to show it's not a religion of violence.

Side: Islam
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Islam is not submission to God, it's bow to the Muslims or be their slave or get your head cut off.

Side: Christianity
6 points

people i just wanna clear this out . most of u here pointed that quran says kill all infidels.

well infidels are the enemies of the islam people who harm islam in any means actually we respect all the views. and we are DEMANded to treat Christians and jews better than we treat each others as muzlims.

Side: islam

Also Allah used the word crush in one of the verses of the qur'an bout insects, in Arabic the crush usually refers to glass, but later a scientist wanted to know what the glass reference to crush meant, it turned out part of cockroaches have the same substance used in glass

Side: islam
6 points

ITs the true religion and we believe in jesus

u should have read quran before camee here to vote

Side: Islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

You cant just say its the true religion that does not help with the debate. Maybe you should of read the Bible.

Side: Christianity
Bohemian(3867) Disputed
1 point

I have read the Quran. Have you Read the Torah? Have you read the Bible? Have you read the vedas? Have you read the Granth?

Perhaps this debate might be elevated beyond bare assertion and begging the question, if you would not substitute critical thinking with presupposition.

Side: Christianity
4 points

Well. Muhammed was a paedophile. Jesus was a bastard child. Obviously be default Jesus wins.

No in all seriousness I would say Christianity over Islam. The main reason for this is that a Christian world is a much preferrable world to live in than a Muslims world because there's more religious freedom and more tolerance and in general more open mindness.

However I would always say neither. Heheh.

Side: None of the Above
ashraf999(4) Disputed
3 points

That is a big lie. The prophet married Aisha with acceptance of her father Abu-Bakr. And societies at that time - including Jewish and Christian ones - used to marry women as soon as they reached puberty. Also it was recorded that Al-Jubair ibn Mut'im ibn Oday proposed to marry Aisha before the prophet did. But his proposal was rejected because he was a non-Muslim. Further, Aisha continued to express her love and passion for the prophet even after his death and lived more than 90 years to become one of the greatest narrators of hadith in Islam. That is completely opposite to the suffering a pedophilia victim would go through. Further read what Aisha herself said: ‘When a girl is nine years old, she is a woman (meaning, she has attained puberty).’ (Tirmidhi, Hadith 1109)

Side: islam
Kinda(1649) Disputed
4 points

How is that a lie then?

The prophet married Aisha with acceptance of her father Abu-Bakr

So that makes it ok?

And societies at that time - including Jewish and Christian ones - used to marry women as soon as they reached puberty.

Umm no they didn't. In those times most girls hit puberty after the age of 12.

But his proposal was rejected because he was a non-Muslim.

By definition a tolerant religion.

That is completely opposite to the suffering a pedophilia victim would go through.

Actually it's not.

‘When a girl is nine years old, she is a woman (meaning, she has attained puberty).’

So we should listen to what she says.

Side: islam
Elvira(3446) Disputed
3 points

BLOODY HELL!

NINE? NINE?

WHAT???

KIND???

OF???

IDIOT???

VIEW???

IS???

THAT???

Side: Islam
CJS4life Disputed
1 point

Well according to Bible in Deuteronomy 23:2 a bastard child won't make it to heaven, not even ten generations of offspring later will. So you are claiming that Jesus won't make it to heaven. Islam preaches very strongly to adopt and help these kids similar to what Joseph did for Jesus.

Also people that say Muslims are violent etc. are only looking at what they hear and see on TV. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, even if there were 1.6 million Muslims in the world (which there aren't, that is far less than 1%.

It's not like Muslims are as bad as the corrupt German Christians that killed millions in the Holocaust, wait those weren't real Christians. True, but that is the same thing happening now with Muslims.

Also Christians only believe Christians make it to heaven. So Noah didn't make it to heaven. Neither did David because they didn't repeat John 3:16 according to King James they aren't in. Islam translates to belief in one God. That's it, so technically Adam, Eve, Noah, Jesus were all Muslims.

So if you want to stay a Christian and wear your Gold cross idols of what was used to try and kill Jesus go ahead. But know that Jesus said many times to pray to the father and not him.

Also Mathew Mark Luke and John were never signed and written by them, it is a story through their eyes written by someone else, so much of it is fabricated.

When Jesus prayed he probably never said Dear Jesus, he was a prophet that did great things, because of the power of God.

Side: Islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

Actually most Christians believe that those who have a good relationship with God and have repented for all their sins can make it to heaven. Noah had one of the best relationships with God in history and when he did sin he repented for it. And the NAZI's did not like Christianity. And Christians believe in one God Jesus is not another God he IS God. Well a human manifestation of God. They are neither yet they are the same and Adam, Eve, Noah and Jesus were Jewish. And a cross is not an idol a cross isn't a God sure he was crucified on one but it is holy because him dying on one is what got rid of our sins. The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written by them it has been proven you cant just say that because it wasn't signed by them that it means they didn't write them. And when Christians pray, we don't say "Dear Jesus" we say "Dear God" or "Father God" we end with Jesus' name because he is holy. I agree with the power of God thing and I believe we can do at least some of what he did. I want to end this with saying that a lot of what you said is true except the things I pointed out as not all Muslims are violent that is like saying that all Jews are violent. And I believe that anyone can go to heaven as long as they do what I said at the top.

Side: Christianity
youlares(4) Disputed
0 points

marriage at the time meant living with another person. although it is hard for westerners and me as well to think of the glorious prophet marrying a 13 year old, it was for safe haven. Muhammed(pbuh) did not even touch her. All his marriages were constituted on protecting underpriveleged women. His first wife was his only love, as he said on his death bed.

Side: Christianity
Sitara(11100) Disputed
2 points

That is bullshit. Fuck any religion that allows an adult to marry a child, and that includes your religion.

Side: Islam

Islam is true because of it's many hidden facts: Muslims knew how the the pharaoh ramses the second died long before archeologists determined he was under water pressure

Side: islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

Rameses was not killed from the ocean and explain the huge Egyptian army that archaeologists found under the red sea. In the Bible and Torah it says that Moses parted the sea so the Israelites could cross it and dropped it on the perusing Egyptian army. They all drowned except the Pharaoh somehow.

Side: Christianity
4 points

WHY THIS WAR CANT STOP?

Why Muslims And Christians CANT BE Friends?

Why Christians HATE MUSLIMS?

WHY When They Hear I'm Muslim THEY Ignore Me And i didn't done any thing bad to u or even Ur Friend

Please Stop it?

Side: Islam
1 point

dont have to argue about this. this thing will never end!!!!!!

Side: Islam
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

It's going to stop. Jesus is coming back and will end all wars.

Side: Christianity
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

Not all Christians hate and ignore Muslims. I am a example many of my friends are Muslim and they are some of my best friends. I apologise for those people that hurt you and pray that the wounds they dealt you spiritually will heal and maybe you may make a few friends out of them.

Side: Christianity
3 points

PAUL PROMOTED JESUS TO GODNESS IN ORDER TO PROMOTE HIMSELF TO PROPHETHOOD

PAUL USE TO KILL FOLLOWERS OF JESUS FOR A LIVING DON'T BELIEVE ME GO FIND OUT. PAUL WROTE MORE THAN 50% OF THE NEW TASTEMENT

MATHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN R NOT DECIPLES OF JESUS BUT ARE MYSTERIOUS PEOPLE WITHOUT LAST NAMES NO LOCATION. THEY ALSO WROTE TEH GOSPEL.

ISLAM IS FROM GOD QURAN=WORD OF GOD

MUHAMMAD PROPHET OF GOD HE WAS TOUGHT BY GEBRIEL

WATCH
Side: islam
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
3 points

Saul got a vision from God( the shining cross) then he was blinded. God sent a man to pray for Saul to have his sight back Saul then became a christian and then became Paul and preached everywhere

"MUHAMMAD PROPHET OF GOD HE WAS TOUGHT BY GEBRIEL"

1-spelt Gabriel

2- ripped off the conception of Jesus (Gabriel came to Mary and told her you will bear the Son of God and call Him Jesus)

Side: Christianity
HaseebT(17) Disputed
2 points

We did not rip off the bible, in fact Gabriel was an angle that is the greatest one and talked to many prophets. Also words might be spelled or pronounced a little differently like Musa (pbuh) and Moses. In fact, Allah sent down the bible before the quran but it was corrupted and changed much. Therefore, some events might seem similar.

Side: Islam
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
1 point

in your video qith the trinity question he answered that nothing can take 3 forms. Explain this what is the chemical abreviation of ice? vapor? water? thats right all H2O now isn't that three in one. Another thing Jesus cannot be a prophet. Why? you ask. Jesus could only be three things 1) Truly the Son of God 2) Crazy or a lunatic 3) A liar. Now he cannot be a prophet because he said he was the Son of God, the Messiah.

Side: Christianity
Bohemian(3867) Disputed
1 point

Jesus could only be three things 1) Truly the Son of God 2) Crazy or a lunatic 3) A liar.

Jesus was most likely an amalgamation of one or more people from ancient times, whose story/stories had become mythicized over time.

Now he cannot be a prophet because he said he was the Son of God, the Messiah.

The two are not mutually exclusive. A prophet by definition is someone who brings a message from God.

Side: None of the Above
3 points

Everything was from Allah. can't people think how did this world,the planets We ourselves been created ? it's all from " allah ". And furthermore there was no more religions on this hole world after islam and that's the truth .....

Side: islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

Islam was created 700AD, Christianity was created around 34AD and Judaism was created LONG before both

Side: Christianity
Bohemian(3867) Disputed
1 point

And furthermore there was no more religions on this hole world after islam

Is Bahaism not a religion? Is Sikhism not a religion? Is hare Krishna not a religion?

Side: Christianity
3 points

I begin in the name of Allah, the most gracious, the most merciful,

many christians say that Jesus is "god", how can he be god when he does what a normal person does.

if you look in the bible chapter eight verse 24-25 it says

24) A huge storm arose on the lake so that waves were sloshing over the boat. But Jesus was asleep.

25) They came and woke him, saying, "Lord, rescue us! We’re going to drown!"

My point is.... HOW CAN GOD SLEEP!!! God has to be awake if he wants to check if his people are doing how he commanded them to. How can god sleep! If you think about it, it is unnatural for a man who is a god (that is if he really is) to sleep>

Side: Islam
Nox0(1394) Disputed
2 points

stop creating new accounts idiot .

Side: Christianity
HaseebT(17) Disputed
1 point

That is not even a proper dispute. If your religion is better come up with a better dispute.

Side: Islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

Jesus is a human manifestation of God. Jesus WAS a human and humans need to sleep. He did have supernatural powers but that doesn't mean he cant sleep. God may be out of time but Jesus wasn't at the time

Side: Christianity
2 points

So, my questions to christianity?

1- if God is a Trinity, how is he distinct from Zeus or Odin or Amon. They all had sons?

2- Does God need to rest (in Genesis it says god created the heaven and the earth...etc, in 6 days and rested on the 7th) because if he does who runs the universe while he rests?

3- Can god die, because if god died on the cross who ran the universe for these 3 days. AND if god died then did the angel of death visit him hence to claim his soul?

4- If they divinity of Christ is a prequisite of christianity, where does christ UNAMBIGIOUSLY state his right AS A GOD in his own words and demand worship?

5- If jesus is The son of God, What is to say he would not overthrow his father (like Zeus overthrow Kronos in ancient Greek religion)?

Side: islam
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
0 points

1- Zeus's sons where the gods of other things, God is the God of everything and is the true God( by the way i am arabic and i understand Allah means God)

2- the story is fake it has symbolical teaching.

3- God cant die because he is divine it was his human form that died but his soul then rose to the heavens and lives forever

4- He says he is God in human form not he is a God

5- he wont because they are the same person

Now i have questons for u

1- why is it the Qu'ran says "kill all infidels" yet it then says "love all people"?

2- why is it Mecca used to be a jewish temple and you worship it

3- why is it you put women under you yet you are supposed to love all people

4- why is it only CHRISTIAN statues and symbols have said to have miracles happen to them (Juan of Guadelupe- look it up - Shrine of Lourdes in Paris) just to name a few

Side: Christianity
Elvira(3446) Disputed
2 points

Sure God can't die? As in really sure? Mate, it's already dead.

Side: Islam
2 points

Oh my fucking God this is......this is just retarded.

Seriously, people really need to get over themselves. I mean, you shouldn't blame the WHOLE religion just because some assholes who follow it don't agree with you or make the wrong idea of something else.

Why should you care anyway? Everybody has different views.

Side: this is stupid
2 points

I think that Islam is better than christianity because Islam has the quran and lots of differant tafsir books (books that explaine the quran).Wherease Christianity just has the bible.

Side: Islam
Nox0(1394) Disputed
1 point

How that does it makes better ?

Side: Christianity
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
2 points

Because with the tafsir you can understand what each verse means and when is was revealed.Wherease the is no understanding of the bible just the bland book

Side: Islam
suleymaan(1) Disputed
2 points

because there are many things in islam that nobody knows about, the more books there are the better chance you have of learning more. it is said in islam that the knowledge a normal person has to god is that of a small bird dipping its beak in the sea, the water in the beak is a normal persons knowledge and the sea is Allah's knowledge

Side: Islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

The Bible is basically the Torah with the story of Jesus added to it.

Side: Christianity
2 points

I begin in the name of Allah the most merciful the most gracious.

Luke 24:42-43

42 They gave him a piece of baked fish.

43 Taking it, he ate it in front of them.

My point is.... HOW CAN GOD EAT. if he can eat that means he has a digestive system, which means he has to excrete and urinate, which also means he has to go to toilet and if he cant find a toilet he has to find a bush to do his business. How can god go to toilet, how can god look for a bush when he cant find a toilet.

Side: Islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

Oh my word is that seriously your argument? Jesus is a human manifestation of God. And since Jesus is human he will naturally need to go to the toilet. And they didn't have toilets back then.

Side: Christianity
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If Allah is so merciful, why do Muslims want to kill all the Jews and Christians?

Side: Christianity
2 points

Islam should be the winning side here as far as I know Christianity was developed out of false believe as Dr. Zakir Naik kindly pointed out:

Strong argument between a Christian and Dr.Zakir Naik
Side: Islam
1 point

in islam it's peace and no war all this fighting and war is a test

which Allah(god) is puting us through but insalah we will sueduced

Side: Christianity
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
1 point

why does it say in the Qu'ran " kill all Infidels". Please explain how this means no war

Side: Christianity
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
2 points

name the ayat in the holy quran that say that.I just think your making stuff up, iv'e read the quran and I didn't find an verse that said that please make sure you answer me Pablosmith14

Side: Islam
1 point

You snipped off a huge part of it, that verse is clearly discussing a defensive war.

Side: Islam
1 point

Neither Islam nor Christianity would be my choice if I were forced to choose one of the "big three".

Judaism would make the most sense.

They encourage questioning, something both of the others discourage. I believe a real reilgion is not afraid of questions and doubt.

They are the original from which the other two diverged. Remember the Old Testament and the 10 Commandments (shared by all 3)? God said thou shalt have NO other gods before me. Christianity threw that out and said, "That meant except Jesus because Jesus was god so we found a loophole." Islam did the same saying "That meant except Mohammed". Judaism is the only religion that has stood true to that rule.

Side: Judaism
Kinda(1649) Disputed
4 points

I'm sorry but how or where does Judaism encourage questioning? If anything Christianity is the religion that has been altered the most over time. Nor do Muslims make an exception for Mohammaed and state clearly that he is not a God. It is confusing with Christianity but again Jesus is not God, but the Son of God....

Side: None of the Above
dakkak(4) Disputed
4 points

MUSLIMS DO NO LOOK AT PROPHET MOHAMMAD AS A DIETY. HE IS A MAN, A CREATION OF GOD, AND BEING SO HE IS NOT WORTH OF WORSHIP. THE GREATEST MAN EVER BUT STILL GOD IS ONE. CHECK YOUR SOURCES SPOONERISM.

Side: Christianity
chaischarles(1) Disputed
1 point

Islam, did not do the same thing. Islam clearly states that Muhammed is only a prophet and messenger. The Shahada is an obvious evidence to disprove you.

Side: islam
Spoonerism(830) Disputed
4 points

Nonetheless, Islam still discourages questioning and doubt among its followers, which is a natural thing and one which religions ought to embrace and provide guidance through.

Side: Christianity
1 point

chrristian is better than muslin yes because it is good to be a christian

Side: Islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

I kind of support you but Jesus is not "another God" he IS God. All Christians are basically Messianic Jews because Christianity is basically Judaism with the belief that the messiah has come. And I do have questions. Most of which have been answered.

Side: Christianity
1 point

Everything was from Allah, i.e Glad tidings, prophets, warnings etc; Things (evidence) from the (bible and the other 4 holy books) then changed. Now only the Quran is unchanged. Believe it or not.

Side: islam
1 point

no more religions on this world after islam..that is a true statement..

Side: islam
3 points

Brother, you forgot the Book of Mormons

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Side: Christianity
1 point

i often do not argue for RELIGION but in case of an argue i will support ISLAM.Many people will ask me why???because many events has occured in the past which shows the the existence of ALLAH. i too agree wid the existence of JESUS CHRIST.HE was sent by ALLAH only to preach ISA-ALI-SALAM.

Side: islam
ethancpattis(10) Disputed
1 point

Jesus was a JEWISH man. And how do you know he wasn't therefore sent by God?

Side: Christianity
1 point

1st of all I would like to point out that this is not a fight. It is rather a storming of minds in order to benefit on and all. And since the word debate dictates that reason is the basis then let's throw faith out the window for a second. After all God is the greatest architect of things so it only seems fair to know him through reason not the unseen and supernatural.

I am a Muslim and I am keeping an open mind.

About the pedophile thingy with prophet Mohammad let me pose a question. Q:What is a label of a pedophile? A:Someone who engages in sexual activity with children. So what is a child? According to the American civil law: anyone below the age of 16. According to the Egyptian civil law: below 21, and so on the designated number varies geographically. BUT, According to the laws of nature: Globally it's anyone who attains physical puberty.

So if Prophet Mohammad, a man who lived over 1000 years ago in at a time where the state structure never existed anywhere on earth, YET, was a pedophile according to THE AMERICAN CIVIL LAW AND LEGISLATION, I think it would only be fair that all Egyptians along with l other countries that don't recognize puberty at 16 to call the past, present and future America "THE LAND OF MALE AND FEMALE PEDOPHILES" all in the light of this unified legislative ethical criteria consistent throughout time and space. However, should they do that they would be down right ignorant, wouldn't they. IT JUST WOULD NOT SOUND LOGICAL.

Side: islam
1 point

Someone explain this Biblical description.

In theBook of Genesis it says God (Capital G) created the world in Six Days and RESTED on the Seventh. The Key word here is RESTED. So if God (Capital G) needs to rest from time to time, Then who does his work of maintaining the universe while he snoozes. I know all creasures of God need rest. I know the motion of creation desn't set by God himself doesn't stop. So how can we attribute fatigue to GOD where in the Quran it says that God (Same capital G) does NOT tire. Please christian side explain. I am all eyes and ears.

Side: islam
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
3 points

iT MEANS TO KEEP ONE DAY HOLY ONLY FOR THE lORD HE DIDNT LEGITMATLEY REST it is symbolic

Side: Christianity
1 point

Okay, what I don't understand is that why is there so many version of the bible. If you were to ask two random Christians from the world to recite something from the bible from a certain section, surely they cannot recite the same exact thing. Yet you ask two random Muslim people to recite the Quran they will recite the exact same thing because there is only one version of the Quran therefore it is unlikely for the Quran to have changed. The Bible has so many version that the original version is completely different.

Another point, the reason why I believe that God has sent down the Quran is because there is absolutely no proof of Muhammed having the ability to write the Quran. He was never able to read or write Arabic. He grew up in the countryside where there was no formal education of how to read and write Arabic. Even when the people of Makkah came in agreement with a sheet, they were shocked that he could not read the agreement sheet.

The thing about Muslims is that we believe in the Original bible but it's been changed so many times that God sent down the Quran which is the final and last book sent down. That is why there is no more prophets for the last 1400 years.

Side: Islam
1 point

from the bible

They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

tell me more about Islam's violence.

sorry this goes on another debate but i cant delete it

Side: Islam
1 point

When Islam started in Mecca, it was the prophet Mohammed by himself. A one man religion. He was exposed to punishments and oppression. The people who first entered Islam were weak and also were oppressed and tortured by the pagans of Mecca (their relatives). Forward 23 years later to see the transformation of these uneducated powerless individuals to the most powerful ones and to control the world.

The Arabs at the time of the prophet peace be upon him (6th century) were tribes and clans fighting each other. The Romans and the Persians were vast powerful empires. Forward 23 years later to see how some powerless individuals were able climb the mountain of world power to take over the Persian empire and the Roman empire and introduce new world order.

Not only did this transformation achieve miraculousness in its happenings but it’s also marvelous in its timing and its duration.

Had it not been to Islam, the world would be different (much worse). The heroes of Islam would not have been heroes but would have been forgotten.

Side: Islam
1 point

Historically Islam has been far the most tolerant religion. During islamic ruled Spain, all Christians were respected by the muslims and allowed to continue their own religious practices, after all they worshiped the same God.

Also, I prefer Islam for its pursuit of knowledge rather than dismissing it as Christianity does. Muslims do not have a touchy feely relationship with their god as the Christians do but instead have to learn about the world in order to know God. This is why Spain never experienced a 'dark age' because while the rest of Europe was throwing shit at each other islamic Spain was promoting the idea of universal education and making incredible advantages in almost every field of science.

Side: Islam
Cartman(18205) Disputed
1 point

Also, I prefer Islam for its pursuit of knowledge rather than dismissing it as Christianity does.

If Islam pursues knowledge, why don't they have more nobel prizes?

Side: Christianity
Atrag(5213) Disputed
1 point

Why do you think?

Side: Islam
1 point

as a muslim i believe in islam...i am thankful that i was born and bought up as a pure muslim...b4 standing against islam compare quran and bible...read quran...u will see that many things already mentioned in it has been proven right

Side: Islam
Atrag(5213) Disputed
1 point

.. .

Side: Christianity
Atrag(5213) Disputed
1 point

And all those that have not been proven right are still to come in the future? Both religious texts are entirely unfalsifiable.

Side: Christianity
1 point

can anyone answer me to this 2 questions :

-1- where in the bible did Jesus says I'm god or worship me

-2- when Jesus died (the day)

Side: Islam
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
2 points

Jesus never said "worship me". He allowed His disciples to worship Him as God.

Jesus never said "I'm god". To start with, He would never spell His Father's name with a lower case "g". God's name is God, not "god". A "god" is a thing. God is the creator of all things.

Jesus said "I and my Father are one". It that, He claimed eternal equality with God the Father even while He took some human limitations on Himself. The miracles Jesus performed proved He is God. The main charge brought against Him by the Jewish religious leaders was blashpemy, that He claimed equality with God. They said He was only a man yet was making Himself to be God. He did not make Himself to be God, He is God before He became a man and today He is still God.

He is God who died for your sins, paid your price with His blood and rose from the dead so God can forgive you and consider your sins paid for by God's own blood. If you receive Him by faith as your Savior, you will have eternal life and be forgiven of all your sin because He paid for them Himself so He can forgive you if you will believe on Jesus and receive Him as your Savior. There is no other way to be saved, this is the way God made for you to be saved, Jesus is the way.

Side: Islam
2 points

Excellently put ;)

Side: Islam
6yearoldwife(1) Disputed
1 point

In the Ten Commandments:

-- You shall have no gods before me

Before you argue that God said this and not Jesus, they are believed to be one.

Side: Christianity
0 points

Guys Islam is the way, Its the most logical religion out there. Its the only religion that makes sense. The Quran is the word of God and there's no denying it, and it is error free. There are no mistakes in the Quran. As for the bible, is filled with contradictions and mistakes, think about it. Who wrote the bible? Its not the word of God, There are hundreds of copies and you Christians cant make up your mind. If all the biblical scriptures disappeared then you Christians would be lost, However if the Quran disappeared it would be back within hours. Islam is the only right religion

Side: Islam
10 points

Cause I don't know in which direction is Mecca without a GPS and all that bowing down and praying would force me to release methane gas into the atmosphere (adding to global warming) and when Chrsitians get mad enough at someone we just nail them to a cross and be done with it (;

Allahu Akbar!!!!

Side: Christianity
7 points

From a personal experience, I would have to say Christianity (even Judaism). While Christians and Jews have learned to respect one another and others too, large majority of Islam followers have yet decided to respect "any" non-muslim group in a true way, not just what we see on everyday media. Hands-on experience with muslims ain't the same one seen on TV.

Side: Christianity
ejndg(33) Disputed
6 points

You don't have to face makkah when you pray if you don't know where it is. Also, you don't have to bow if that cause inconvenience.

Side: islam
Sitara(11100) Clarified
2 points

Mecca

Side: Islam
HaseebT(17) Disputed
1 point

Is this your guys' best argument? If you want to seriously debate then actually put something against us. I am open to it.

Side: Islam

Oh, yeah? ;)

Side: Islam
8 points

this debate is pointless if you compare it to who thinks their point is right and the other wrong. Islams will go pro Islam and Christians pro Christan. unless if you want to compare who did more good for humanity. i would go pro Christan, but again that is a personally opinion. i could come up with supportive views to Christianity while you could come up with negative. however the best current reason why i go pro Christan would be that many Islamic sects have zero tolerance to other beliefs.

Side: Christianity

I concur. This debate is severely biased that being one who is Christian is obviously for Christianity and vice versa. Plus, 80% of America identifies as Christian.

Side: Christianity
HaseebT(17) Disputed
1 point

The muslims have done much for the world and only through the muslim empire's care for science while Christians were in the dark ages was science preserved.

Al-gebra

Al-chemy

these are just a few examples. Muslim scholars also preserved the writing of greek scholars like aristotle.

Now concerning Islamic sects, the majority or 95 percent of muslims are sunni and the other sects like wahhabism that are a little radical are like 2 percent. Did you know that back in the times of the islamic empire Jews were safe in muslim lands from Chrisitan anti-semitism. The people who were under islamic rule that were not muslim even preferred the rule of muslims to their own people like in Spain. Our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) stated “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)

don't judge Islam on tiny sects.

Also even though these debates might sometimes feel pointless, it is a debate site.

Side: Islam
Ronstein(1) Disputed
1 point

you shouldnot forget that its christian countries who are helping muslim migrants and refugees today just understand that and see who are doing much for the society

Side: Christianity
cruzaders(106) Disputed
1 point

Dude the arabs got algebra from the indians ... And concerning science many arab translators were actually christians (Hunayn ibn Ishaq, or as he was called "the prince of translators")

Side: Christianity
6 points

25% of the Bible is prophetic, more than in any other "holy" book. All but 7 of the Bible's prophecies have come true. There is evidence that a great flood may have occurred 4,000 or so years ago. There is no rational way to disprove the events that took place in the Bible. Christianity is clearly the correct religion.

Side: Christianity
2 points

25% of the Bible is prophetic, more than in any other "holy" book. All but 7 of the Bible's prophecies have come true.

Which prophesies have come true?

There is evidence that a great flood may have occurred 4,000 or so years ago.

There is certainly no evidence that there was a flood that covered the majority of the earth 4,000 years ago, as described by the Bible.

There is no rational way to disprove the events that took place in the Bible.

How about the creation story? We know that man didn't start with two humans in a garden, but occurred through evolution over billions of years, from more primitive life forms.

Side: islam
republican(69) Disputed
4 points

Which prophecies have come true?

see this website: http://www.ucg.org/sermons/transcripts/200611prophecies.htm

There is certainly no evidence that there was a flood that covered the majority of the earth 4,000 years ago, as described by the Bible.

Although there is no evidence that a WORLDWIDE flood occurred, there is, in certain parts of the world, physical evidence that A great flood occurred.

How about the creation story? We know that man didn't start with two humans in a garden, but occurred through evolution over billions of years, from more primitive life forms.

1.) That does not completely disprove Genesis. It merely offers an argument against Genesis, the legitimacy of which is questionable.

2.)Nobody KNOWS if the human race started with Adam, or if it started with billion year old germs. They are just two different stories about how we came to be. However, the Christian and Jewish story is one believed by over one BILLION people. Take that, heathen!

Side: Christianity
pablosmith14(21) Disputed
1 point

How about the creation story? We know that man didn't start with two humans in a garden, but occurred through evolution over billions of years, from more primitive life forms.

IT IS NOT TRUE NO ONE BELIEVES THAT IT IS TRUE IT IS A SYMBOLICAL STORY

Side: Christianity
5 points

Christianity is the only belief system that teaches the "grace" of God and that God gave of himself a love and gift that is free. It is not based on a person's "efforts" for salvation, but is based on what God already did through Jesus on the cross.

Self-sacrifice is the ultimate presentation of love, and that is exactly what was demonstrated.

Christianity means to be "Christ-like"; to follow after Christ as a faithful servant. That means that those who are true Christians should do the same as Christ did, showing love as Christ did to them.

There is no "versus" about that. Love is the highest calling for any person and the best example of that is the one who gave his life for all to find it.

Side: Christianity
tariq88(3) Disputed
1 point

Eloi, eloi, lama sabachthanei {my God!my God! why have forsaken me} that is what jesus said when he was on the cross so that means he didnt agree to be crucified because he was crying to God.

Side: Islam
1 point

so that means he didnt agree to be crucified because he was crying to God.

It also means he can't have been the living embodiment of God, as many Christians believe. Not unless God has a multiple personality disorder.

Side: Christianity
4 points

I am a christian. I guess you cant really spread your faith by the net, but that is who I am.

Side: Christianity
4 points

Where religion ends, philosophy begins.

Where alchemy ends, chemistry begins.

Where astrology ends, astronomy begins.

Side: Islam
cruzaders(106) Disputed
1 point

For philosophy you are actually wrong, through a philosophycal process he learned that there is 1"principal" that created the universe , it is eternal and all powefull; sounds like a god no?

Side: Christianity

Where religion ends, philosophy begins.

Where alchemy ends, chemistry begins.

Where astrology ends, astronomy begins.

Side: Christianity
4 points

You want the violent religion to prevail? The religion which wants to wipe European culture off the map!

Side: Christianity
4 points

Agreed, Muslim women are breeding like rabits all over northern europe...well actually all over europe.

Their trying to force governments into giving them "Holidays" on that Countries Nation calender.

I think in Poland or some other smaller country up there, had a prayer tower? Or whatever they're called put up in a major city/Capital. It's the thing that rings five times a day for all the Islamic people to pray.

That religion has NO free agency at all.

Not to mention killing is essential in that religion.

All the ones in America and europe and all over that don't are just being "bad muslims", just as a Mormon drinking alcohal/smoking.

Side: Christianity
Jace(4530) Disputed
2 points

Gasp! Muslim women are having large families? Christians never do that!

Shock! Muslims want their religious holidays recognized by the government? Christians never do that!

Horror! Muslims build places of worship? Christians never do that!

What! Not all Muslims adhere to their faith? Christians never do that!

Unconscionable! Islam denies agency? Christianity never does that!

Unbelievable! Islam can be used to justify violence? Christianity is never used like that!

I mean seriously. Good grief. There's not a thing you mentioned Muslims doing that Christians don't do too.

Side: Islam
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
1 point

oy you watch your mouth muslims dont drink maybe the so called muslims you saw drinking and smoking were just a bunch of christian (drunk).

Side: Islam
ejndg(33) Disputed
3 points

The media shows that Islam is trying to wipe western culture off the map, but when you think about, it is the other way around. Look at the location of current wars and the high speculations around their motives and justifications.

Muslims are being even cretisized by the media for the way they dress, eat, and even the way they worship god.

The media at arab and Muslim countries are dominated by western culture shows and portrays everything against they way they live. So the war is clearly against muslim culture that was passed smoothly.

I have lived in Muslim countries most of my life and have never seen once any body that wants to bomb or think about terriresm positively.

I would love to see both cultures live in harmony like they did in Spain long ago. I would love to even see the three religions getting together as one unit anytime, but i don't think this time is near.

Side: islam
TERMINATOR(6763) Disputed
3 points

And to think that most of the media I've seen, they often make the Muslims look fairly decent.

Like the did in Spain

SPAIN??? YOU ARE USING THE MUSLIM REIGN OVER MOST OF SPAIN AS AN EXAMPLE? The Spanish were terrified of the Muslims - Charlemagne's father (I think it was his father, or some other relation) fought against them - El Cid, a national hero, fought against them.

In Egypt there lived a bunch of Jews - all of whom were allowed to live in peace. But of course, throughout the Middle Ages, Muslims were hated throughout Europe - but that is understandable seeing how Muslims had conquered Jerusalem (a holy city) and had been going to war with eastern Europe for centuries.

Side: Christianity
1 point

No one wants European culture off the map, stop believing what you see on the media.

Side: Islam
3 points

Well, the Bible doesn't promote violence, only if necessary though.

The Qur’an is to the Islamic Religion right?

I've read it and it's probably the most violent thing I have ever read my whole life.

Verse's from THE Qur’an

Qur'an:9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Muhammad himself was very active in the Beheading of non-believers.

So these verses, are they not violent or attacking all other religions?

Or are you (whoever disputes this) just fu-king stupid?

Side: Christianity
ejndg(33) Disputed
2 points

I agree that some of the verses in Quran are extreamly violent against infidels. However, Christians and Jews are not called infidels by Quran, they are called Ahlu Alkitab (the people of the book).

Read 5:69 "Indeed, those who have believed [in Prophet Muhammad] and those [before Him] who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

So the verses you read was against those who used to worship many gods in the arabian area at the time and they killed and tortured the first Muslims. They started wars against Muhammad in many areas and at diff times.

Side: islam
Sulith(508) Disputed
2 points

The bottom of your debate response.

Those verses are meant to be followed thru-out time.

The word "Islam" means to submit.

They want to either kill all non-believers or have them submit to their will and adopt their religion.

Side: Christianity
ashraf999(4) Disputed
2 points

Firstly, you are misquoting the verses deliberately. Here is just one proof. Do your homework and make sure you quote them correctly first

9:112 is not as what you posted. Here it is:

[009:112] Those that turn (to God) in repentance; that serve Him, and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the cause of God,: that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limit set by God;- (These do rejoice). So proclaim the glad tidings to the Believers.

Secondly, you are taking them out of their historical context. Several of the "fighting verses" were pertinent to the "state of war" that existed between the prophet and the pagans of Makkah. Now I am sure any military general today will never order his soldiers to throw their confronting enemies with roses

Side: islam
MHSK(4) Disputed
1 point

I think ur nuts right?,cause u r righting false surah's lol

Side: this is stupid
1 point

These verses are discussing a defensive war and I have proof................

Side: Islam
3 points

Well obviously. It has been around since Jesus was born and part of it is the same as Judaism. 2 in 1.

Side: Christianity
3 points

i dont know about you muslim people but i want to go to heaven when i die...sorry

Side: Christianity
3 points

IF YOU READ YOUR BIBLE IT HAS PROOF THAT GOD EXIST AND THE BIBLE NEVER LIES

Side: Christianity
2 points

so does The Koran in a bigger scale.....................................................

Side: Islam
Cuaroc(8338) Disputed
2 points

AND THE BIBLE NEVER LIES

expect when it says bats are birds the world is flat and that the world is only 6,000 years old.

Side: Islam
Sitara(11100) Disputed
1 point

You need to establish the credibility of the Bible first, for it to be proof.

Side: Islam
3 points

I'm not Christian but I will side with them if the political winds should shift!

Side: Christianity
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
0 points

what are you then a hindu because you sound like one.hey you could become a sikh the religion would suit you.

Side: Islam
Hellno(17618) Disputed
1 point

Oh! You dirty dog you! ;)

Side: Christianity
0 points

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol lol lol

Side: Islam
3 points

ARE THERE INCONSISTENCIES AND CONTRADICTIONS IN THE HOLY BIBLE?

By Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Unlike the Qur'an, the Bible did not come from one person. Pathetically, the Muslims mistakenly see the Bible as the Christian equivalent of their Qur'an. So, like I said earlier, they cite wrong parts of the Bible to prove that the Christian Word of God is contradictory.

Even then, logically, the seeming inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible are what confirm its genuineness. Such parts of the Holy Bible were observations and writings of VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS and under VARIOUS CONDITIONS. Scientifically, such reports are subject to INDIVIDUALITY and CONDITIONALITY unless they are edited. Therefore, this existence of 'INDIVIDUALNESS' and 'CONDITIONALITY' is logically a strong proof that the individual Biblical account have never been edited; and are not fictions in which case they would have been identically written by all the collaborators, but are true and historical events writen independently by various individuals.

Example of CONDITIONALITY Mark (10:46-52) says that Jesus healed while LEAVING Jericho. But Luke (18:35-43) says while ENTERING Jericho. This, as a Western Reverend writer observes in his book, had been thought to be (as it is apparently) a sharp contradiction until the excavation of Earnest Sellen of the German Oriental Society (citing 'Archeology and Bible History page 295), when it was discovered that the Jericho of Jesus' time was a double city--Jewish (old) Jericho and Roman (modern) Jericho, such that LEAVING one could as well mean ENTERING the other.

Therefore both Mark and Luke are perfectly right. Their various versions were caused by the CONDITION of the then Jericho namely, its double-city nature.

Example of INDIVIDUALITY Because Mark and Luke (as in the case above) did not collaborate but rather independently wrote, INDIVIDUALITY became obvious in their judgments. Thus while one of them 'conservatorially' regarded regarded the original (Jewish) Jericho as the (actual) Jericho, the other 'modernly' regarded the administrative (Roman) Jericho as (currently) the Jericho.

Other Examples i. Mark (1:6) says, "John's food was ONLY locust and honey", while Mathew (11:18) says, "John came NEITHER eating nor drinking.

Here, while Mark considered the 'exact aspect' of John's feeding, Mathew on the other hand considered the 'comparative' or 'metaphorical' aspect .

ii. According to John (19:17) Jesus bore his cross up to the Golgotha. But according to Luke (23:26), one Simon was later on forced to carry the cross to follow Jesus. 'A clear contradiction!! ', Muslims would exclaim. But the fact is that the then Jerusalem was a large and walled city and Golgotha was a place just outside Jerusalem. Normally, Jesus most have bore his cross from the Pilate's Court to as far as outside the Jerusalem Wall and within the premises of the Golgotha before the Simon, who was not even an accused, was nevertheless forced to just take over form the apparently too fatigued Jesus to the exact crucifixion spot.

Therefore, while John ignored the 'negligible' contribution of Simon, Luke on the other hand, recognized it, perhaps for historical record.

Naturally, 'INDIVIDUALITY' and 'CONDITIONALITY' variously manifest any time a historical event is independently reported by different individuals and or when there is a difference of condition.

These types of situations are what Muslims simplistically referred to as contradictions in the Bible.

iii. Matthew 20:29-34 says two blind persons, Mark 10:46 and Luke 18:35-38 say one blind person.

It just means that there were two blind persons. One is active in asking Jesus, the other was barely involved. So, while Mark and Luke ignore the “insignificant” involvement of the reluctant blind man, Matthew felt it was important to acknowledge his inconsequential involvement. In other words, while Mark and Luke recognize only active presence, Matthew acknowledges non active presence. This was because there was no collaboration. Each of them wrote independently with different emphasis and different intended message. If the event was fictitious, the versions would have collaboratively looked very identical.

It should be noted, however, that the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Qur'an can not be explained in terms of 'CONDITIONALTY' and 'INDIVIDUALITY' because the Qur'an as a whole was supposedly uttered by one person (God). Of course if there exist contradictions in the direct words of God in the Bible, they likewise can not be explained in that ways. But there is non in actual sense.

Contradictions or Lazy and Mischievous Scholarship

Being the oldest surviving book in the World, contemporary intervening factors need to be taken into account when dealing with apparent inconsistencies in the Bible.

A Cambridge University scientist, Professor Colins Humphreys tackled the biblical seeming inconsistency in which while Matthew, Mark and Luke all say the Last Super coincided with the start of Jewish feast of Passover, John implies it was before Passover.( http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110418/wl_uk_afp/britainreligionchristianseaster) )

The scientist believes it was due to a calendar mix-up between the one (a conservative Jewish calendar) used by Jesus – along with Matthew, Mark and Luke on one hand and the one (official lunar calendar) used by John on the other.

Professor Humphreys, who used a combination of biblical, historical and astronomical research, then noted, "Many biblical scholars say that, for this reason, you can't trust the Gospels at all. But if we use science and the Gospels hand in hand, we can actually prove that there was no contradiction."

Other claims of contradictions in the Bible are mere mischief of the Muslims and their paid agents, the normally greedy, materialistic and corrupt Western atheists.

May the Almighty Yahweh open the eyes.

Side: Christianity
umaroth(3) Disputed
1 point

ARE THERE INCONSISTENCIES AND CONTRADICTIONS IN THE HOLY BIBLE?

yes thanks for asking

Side: Islam
3 points

Logically, it would have to be Christianity. Islam was based off of Christianity, so it is more likely to be a fabrication.

Similarly, Judaism would be less likely to be fiction than Christianity.

Zoroastrianism would be more likely to be real than Judaism.

So on and so forth.

Basically, if your sacred religious text needed to plagiarize from another sacred religious text, then there is more chance for the original to be divine than yours.

Side: Christianity
2 points

CHRIST’S DIVINITY: The Inference from Adam

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Muslims are fond of saying that it was not only Jesus that had spirit (ruh) from God; that Adam too got his spirit directly from God. Why was Adam not more than an ordinary human being etc?

The Original Adam was not Ordinary. He Was Likened to Jesus ln Some Ways

The Holy Bible reveals relationship between Adam and Jesus thus, "The FIRST Adam became a LIVING SOUL, the LAST Adam (Jesus) a QUICKENING SPIRIT", 1 Cor. 15:45. Therefore, to understand the nature of Jesus more, we must go back to the Adam's case.

Understanding Jesus from the Nature of Adam

As Muslims observe, Adam too got his ruh directly from God. But the important question Muslims fail to ask themselves is “When God breathed His Ruh into Adam what then followed? Was that followed by an unusual recognition or not? Let us see:

Allah’s Instruction: Allah commanded his angels that once he breathes (something of) his spirit (ruh) into Adam all of them should honor Adam with prostration, which is an act of ibadah that is Islamically reserved for Allah alone. In fact, the reason why Allah coursed Iblis to became Satan was his refusal to prostrate to Adam as instructed by Allah himself.

QUR’AN 15:28-31

Your Lord said to the angels, "I am about to create a man from aged mud, like the potter's clay.

"Once I perfect him, and blow into him from My spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him."

The angels fell prostrate; all of them,

except Iblis (Satan). He refused to be with the prostrators

He said, "O Iblis (Satan), why are you not with the prostrators?"

He said, "I am not to prostrate before a human being, whom You created from aged mud, like the potter's clay."

He said, "Therefore, you must get out; you are banished.

"You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment."

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QUR’AN 2:34

When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan; he refused, was too arrogant, and a disbeliever.

QUR’AN 17:61-62

When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan. He said, "Shall I prostrate to one You created from mud?"

He said, "Since You have honored him over me, if You respite me till the Day of Resurrection, I will possess all his descendants, except a few."

QUR’AN 7:11-12

And We created you then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee ? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.

These Concur With the Bible

BIBLE (HEB.) 1:6

But when he (God) again brings his firstborn (Adam) into the world, he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him!”

The Apocryphal Jewish Source Also Concurs

Apocryphal (The Life of Adam and Eve) 141:143

“ Then Michael (Angel Jibril) came; he summoned all the troops of angels and told them, "Bow down before the likeness and the image of the divinity." And then, when Michael summoned them and all had bowed down to you, he summoned me [Satan] also. And I told him, "Go away from me, for I shall not bow down to him who is younger than me; indeed, I am master prior to him and it is proper for him to bow down to me. ”

Allah Also Declares Adam as His Deputy on Earth on Earth (Qur’an 2:30). And what many Muslims don’t know, like it is in Christianity (Gen. 2:7), Islamically:

ALLAH CREATED ADAM IN HIS OWN IMAGE (Surah)

Al-Bukhaari (6227)

Narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allah created Adam in His image, and he was sixty cubits tall. When he created him….”

Muslim (2612)

Narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "When any one of fights his brother, let him avoid the face, for Allah created Adam in His image."

Ibn Abi 'Aasim, al-Sunnah (517)

Ibn Abi 'Aasim narrated in al-Sunnah (517) that Ibn 'Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not say 'May Allah deform your face' for the son of Adam was created in the image of the Most Merciful."……..

Ibn Abi 'Aasim, (516)

Ibn Abi 'Aasim also narrated (516) that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "When any one of you fights let him avoid the face, for Allaah created Adam in the image of His Face."

Logical Conclusion

Therefore, Biblically and Qur'anically Adam, whose flesh was made from just the sand (Gen. 2:7, Qur'an 28:72), was notwithstanding such GLORIOUS initially. And, logically, the glorious qualification came from what God breathed in him (something of God’s spirit).

Jesus

Jesus is Ruh’Allah (Spirit or Soul of God) and his Word: John 1:1, 14:8:23, Phl. 2:5-8; and the Qur'an 4:171, 2:252 etc; Jesus is PERFECT IMAGE of God (Heb. 1:1-3); the woman scheduled to born him had to be promoted above ALL THE WOMEN OF THE WORLD: See Luke 1:28, 30:34, 41-44, 48-49, and 54-55. Also says Qur'an 3:42, “O Mary! Allah has CHOSEN thee, and PURIFIED thee, and PREFERRED thee ABOVE ALL THE WOMEN OF CREATION."

Final Logical Comparison

However, Adam did not pass Satanic test but sinned (that shows some relative weakness in him), thereby lost his INITIAL STATUS and therefore he was ordered out of MOST EXALTED DWELLING, the Garden of Eden(Qur'an 7:19-24, Gen. 3:1-24). But Jesus passed all the Satanic tests (Mt.4:1-11, Heb. 4:15; Qur'an 19:19; 3: 46; 6: 86;), which logically implies comparative superiority of the Divine Spirit in him (Jesus).

Therefore, the fact that SOIL is the comparative parent of Adam, who, again, could not pass Satanic test, sinned and was demoted; and Mary, the SUPERIOR among all women (Luke 1:28, 30:34, 41-44, 48-49, 54-55. and Qur'an 3:42), is the comparative parent of Jesus, who again, passed all the Satanic tests, did not sin and therefore was NEVER demoted; given that both Adam and Jesus got their souls from God directly; it follows that whatever type of soul God gave Adam was originally INFERIOR to the one He gave Jesus. Thus Jesus would still have been superior to Adam even if he (Adam) had been able to defend his INITIAL STATUS, (and thus Jesus was, by the way, very superior to the demoted Adam, and extremely superior to the descendants of Adam).

Divinity of Jesus Logically Proved

So if initially Adam, made from soil, was inter-alia, QUALIFIED to be God's IMAGE/LIKENESS or GOD's VICEROY and WORTHY OF A WORSHIP BY THE ANGELS OF GOD, all because his soul was God-breathed, then Jesus, who has much greater of these qualifications is logically divine.

That was why when Jesus was asked to disclose God he said, "Have I been with you so long and yet you do not know me...? He who has seen me has seen the Father (God); how can you say, 'show us the Father?..I do not speak on my (the human) authority, but the Father who DWELLS IN ME DOES HIS WORKS", John 14:8-10.

And, that is why when Jesus accomplished his mission on the Earth, he went back to where he came from, Qur'an 4:158, "God has raised him up unto HIMSELF". See also John 6:28, 62, and Mk. 16:19. John 8:23.

Side: Christianity
2 points

EITHER JESUS DIED BEFORE ASCENSION OR “ALLAH” HAS MADE MISTAKE AGAIN IN THE FOLLOWING VERSE THIS:

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

In the Quran, Surah 3:144

"And Muhammad is only an apostle; all the [other] apostles have passed away before him:..."

So, since Jesus came before Muhammad, either Jesus indeed died before ascension or “Allah” has made mistake again.

Side: Christianity
umaroth(3) Disputed
1 point

EITHER JESUS DIED BEFORE ASCENSION OR “ALLAH” HAS MADE MISTAKE AGAIN IN THE FOLLOWING VERSE THIS:

Or Jesus never existed.

Side: Islam
2 points

Neither! Messianic Judaism is the best religion! .

Side: Christianity
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
1 point

can you explain this to me why do:

jews wear black every day

jews wear big tall hats

jews have curly lock(hair)

jewish girls shave their hair at the age of 14 and wear wigs

jews put paper in the wailing wall

Side: Islam
Sitara(11100) Disputed
1 point

I have no problem with hijab. I just think women have the right to choose what color they wear.

Side: Christianity
2 points

Fallicies of Islam:

1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.

 

Some Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Qur'an judges the Bible.

2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

If you end where you began, you got nowhere.

Examples:

#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.

#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.

#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

3. False Analogy: Comparing two things as if they are parallel when they are not really the same at all.

Examples:

#1 Many Muslims erroneously assume that Muslims and Christians share the same concepts of God, revelation, inspiration, textual preservation, the Bible, prophethood, biblical history, conversion, etc...

 

#2 Because a false analogy is drawn between Islam and Christianity, some Muslims think that any argument which refutes the Qur'an will likewise refute the Bible; any argument which refutes Muhammad will also refute Jesus Christ, etc...

 

#3 For example, many Muslims claim that Muhammad and all prophets were sinless. They even deny that Abraham was an idol worshipper. Thus when a Christian points out all the wicked things that Muhammad did (mass murder, child abuse, lying, etc.), the Muslims will say, "If you are right, then you must also reject your biblical prophets for doing wicked things as well."

 

What he is really saying is, "If you reject my prophet, then you must reject your prophets as well. If Muhammad was a false prophet, then your prophets are false as well."

 

The root problem is that the Muslim concept of prophethood is not the same as the Christian concept of prophethood. We teach that prophets sin like anyone else. Thus while Islam is refuted by the sins of Muhammad, Christianity is not jeopardized at all. The Muslim is guilty of setting up a "false analogy."

 

Whenever a Muslim responds to a Christian attack on the Qur'an, Muhammad, or Allah by flipping the argument around and applying it to the Bible, Jesus or the Trinity as if Islam and Christianity either stand or fall together, he is guilty of the fallacy of false analogy. Islam can be false and Christianity be true at the same time.

4. The Fallacy of Irrelevance: When you introduce issues which have no logical bearing on the subject under discussion, you are using irrelevant arguments.

Examples:

#1 Some Muslims argue, "The Qur'an is the Word of God because the text of the Qur'an has been preserved perfectly." This argument is erroneous for two reasons:

 

a. Factually, the text of the Qur'an has not been preserved perfectly. The text has additions, deletions, conflicting manuscripts, and variant readings like any other ancient writing.

 

b. Logically, it is irrelevant whether the text of the Qur'an has been preserved because preservation does not logically imply inspiration. A book can be perfectly copied without implying its inspiration.

 

#2 When Muslims attack the character and motives of anyone who criticizes Islam, they are using irrelevant arguments. The character of someone is no indication of whether he is telling you the truth. Good people can lie and evil people can tell the truth. Thus whenever a Muslim uses slurs such as "mean," "dishonest," "racist," "liar," "deceptive," etc., he is not only committing a logical fallacy but also revealing that he cannot intellectually defend his beliefs.

#3 When confronted with the pagan origins of the Qur'an, some Muslims defend the Qur'an by answering, "So what! Didn't you Christians get Christmas from the pagans?"

This argument is erroneous for several reasons.

a. It is a false analogy to parallel the pagan origins of the rites commanded in the Qur'an with the present day holidays nowhere commanded in the Bible. What some modern day Christians do on Dec. 25th has no logical bearing on what the Qur'an commands Muslims to do (eg. the Pilgrimage, the Fast, etc.).

 

b. It is irrelevant that some Christians choose to celebrate the birth of Christ. Since the Bible nowhere commands it, it is a matter of personal freedom. But Muslims are commanded in the Qur'an to believe and practice many things which came from the paganism of that day.

 

c. The Muslim by using this argument is actually admitting that the Qur'an was not "sent down" but fabricated from pagan sources. This means he has become an unbeliever (Surah 25:4-6).

 

#4 Some Muslims argue that the Qur'an is the Word of God because it contains some historically or scientifically accurate statements. This argument is irrelevant. Just because a book is correct on some historical or scientific point does not mean it is inspired. You cannot take the attributes of a part and apply it to the whole. A book can be a mixture of true and false statements. Thus it is a logical fallacy to argue that the entire Qur'an is true if it makes one true statement.

 

When a Muslim argues that history or science "proves" the Qur'an, this actually means that he is acknowledging that history and science can likewise refute the Qur'an. If the Qur'an contains just one historical error or one scientific error, then the Qur'an is not the Word of God. Verification and falsification go hand in hand.

 

#5 The present meaning of a word is irrelevant to what it meant in ancient times. The word "Allah" is a good example. When confronted by the historical evidence that the word was used by pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times to refer to a high god who was married to the sun-goddess and had three daughters, some Muslims will quote dictionaries, encyclopedias, etc. to prove (sic) that "Allah means God." They are thus using modern definitions to define what the word meant over a thousand years ago! What "Allah" means now has no bearing on what it meant before Muhammad.

 

5. The Fallacy of Equivocation: If we assume that everyone has the same definition of such words as God, Jesus, revelation, inspiration, prophet, miracle, etc., we are committing a very simple logical fallacy.

 

#1 When a Muslim says, "Christians and Muslims worship the same God," he is committing the fallacy of equivocation. While Christians worship the Triune God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Muslims worship a Unitarian deity. Obviously, they are worshipping different Gods.

 

#2 When a Muslim says, "We believe in Jesus too," he is committing the fallacy of equivocation. The "Jesus" of the Qur'an is not the Jesus of the Bible. Islam preaches "another Jesus" (II Cor. 11:4). The Jesus of the Bible is God the Son who died on the cross for our sins. But the "Jesus" of the Qur'an is not God the Son and he did not die on the cross for our sins. Thus it is erroneous for Muslims to tell Christians that they believe in Jesus, too.

 

#3 When a Muslim assumes that Christians have the same concept of revelation as Muslims, he is guilty of the fallacy of equivocation. According to Islam, the Qur'an was written in heaven by Allah and has no earthly sources. When we prove that it comes from earthly sources, this threatens the inspiration of the Qur'an.

 

On the other hand, the Bible does not claim that it dropped out of heaven one day. It openly quotes from earthly sources. It uses pre-existing sources without any difficulty whatsoever, Thus while the Qur'an is threatened by historical sources, the Bible is actually confirmed by them.

 

#4 When a Muslims tells you that the word "Allah" has only one meaning: "the one, true, universal God," he is assuming a fallacy. The word "allah" has many different meanings.

 

a. It can be used as a generic term like the English word "God." Thus it can be applied to any god or goddess regardless if a true or false god is in view. (ex. The "Allahs" of Hinduism.)

 

b. The Nation of Islam uses it to refer to Wallace Dodd Ford, Elijah Muhammad, and Louis Farrakhan as "Allah" and teaches that all black people are "Allahs."

 

c. It has been used by some Christians in Arabic speaking countries as a generic name for the Holy Trinity.

 

d. It was used in pre-Islamic times by pagan Arabs to refer to the moon-god who was the father of al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat.

e. It is used by Muslims to refer to their god.

 

Islam and Christianity do not worship the same God. The Christian worships the Holy Trinity while the Muslim worships a unitarian deity.

6. The Fallacy of Force: The Qur'an commands Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims and apostates (Surah 5:33; 9:5, 29).

Some Muslims use a false analogy to answer this argument. They respond by saying, "Well, what about the Crusades? You Christians use violence just like Muslims."

 

It is logically erroneous to set up a parallel between Muslims killing people in obedience to the Qur'an and Christians killing people in disobedience to the Bible. While the Qur'an commands Jihad, the New Testament forbids it.

7. The Fallacy Of Confusing Questions of Fact with Questions of Relevance: Whether something is factually true is totally different from the issue of whether you feel it is relevant. The two issues must be kept separate.

Examples:

#1 When a Christian argues that some of the beliefs and rituals of the Qur'an came from pre-Islamic Arab paganism, the Muslim will deny it at first. But as more and more evidence is given, the Muslim will often do a flip-flop and begin arguing, "So what! Didn't you Christians get Christmas from the pagans?" The Muslim has now committed three fallacies:

 

a. The "So what!" argument is dealing with the issue of relevance, not fact. You must stop the Muslim at that point and ask him, "Since you are now dealing with the issue of whether the pagan origins of the Qur'an are relevant, does this mean that you are now agreeing to the fact of the pagan origins of Islam?"

 

b. The Muslim has also committed the fallacy of equivocation, The Bible is not threatened by historical sources. It freely refers to them and even quotes them (Acts 17: 28). But the Qur'an denies that it has any earthly historical sources (Surah 25:4-6).

 

c. He also committed the fallacy of false analogy. The Bible and the Qur'an are two totally different books. The inspiration of the Bible does not depend upon the fate of the Qur'an because what Muslims claim for the Qur'an is not what Christians claim for the Bible.

8. Phonic Fallacies: The phonetic sound of a word should not be used to twist its meaning. For example,

a. Some Muslims try to prove that the word "Allah" is in the Greek New Testament because of the Greek word alla. But while the word is pronounced "alla," it only means "but" in Greek. It has nothing to do with the Arabic "Allah."

 

b. Some Muslims have claimed that the word "Allah" is in the Bible because the Biblical word "Allelujah." They then mispronounce the word as "Allah-lujah" But "Allelujah" is not a compound Arabic word with "Allah" being the first part of the word. It is a Hebrew word with the name of God being "JAH" (or Yahweh) and the verb "alle" meaning "praise to." It means "praise to Yahweh." The Arabic word "Allah" is not in the word.

 

c. The same error is found in the Muslim argument that the word "Baca" (Psa. 94:6) really means "Mecca." The valley of Baca is in northern Israel.

 

d. Some Muslims have tried to go from "Amen" to "Ahmed" to "Mohammed!" Such nonsense is beyond belief.

9. "Red Herring" Arguments: When a Muslim is asked to defend the Qur'an, if he turns around and attacks the reliability of the Bible, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Crusades, etc., he is introducing irrelevant issues that have no logical bearing on the truthfulness of Islam. He is trying to divert attention from Islam to other issues.

Furthermore, he is assuming that if he can refute the Bible, then the Qur'an wins by default. If he can refute the Trinity, then Allah wins by default. But this is logically erroneous. You cannot prove your position by refuting someone else's position. The Bible and the Qur'an could both be wrong. Muslims must prove their own book.

10. Straw Man Arguments: When you put a false argument into the mouth of your opponent and then proceed to knock it down, you have only created a "straw man" argument, Muslims sometimes either misunderstand or deliberately misquote the arguments Christians give them.

Example:

Some Muslims have built a "straw man" argument that claims that we teach, "The Qur'an teaches that Allah is the Moon-god and that Muslims knowingly believe in and worship the Moon-god and his daughters." They then knock down this "straw man" argument and claim victory. Of course, we never said such nonsense. What we have said is that while the Qur'an claims that Allah is God and Muslims think they are worshipping the one true God, in reality they are worshipping a false god preached by a false prophet according to a false book.

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Side: Christianity
2 points

I found quite interesting that in all debates about Islam, the pro-Islam side is usually made from freshly new debaters with same "grammatical issues".

Side: Christianity

Christianity becauuse honestly if you think about it Mohammed was fake in the Qu'ran it says "Kill all Infidels" then it says "love all people". then if christianity says one wife and islam says you can have 4 then one has to be right. ( i say christianity because you have to have love between the two people you cant just have one man having sex with others). Mohammed for all of you people that didnt know this married a 9 yr old. He was being taught by a christian priest when he was younger and married the priests neice. He probably got most off his stuff from the bible (angel gabriel sees mary mohammed gets vision from angel gabriel coincedence i think not). Mohammed by the way being this so called "Great Prophet" couldnt even perform miracles! Unlike Jesus who performed miracles.

Side: Christianity
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
3 points

the quran deos not say that show me the verse that says that. Muhammed was not a fake he explained Islam so beutifuly and also if he was a fake why did so many people believe in the message of one god he brought

Side: Islam
1 point

EVEN ISLAMICALLY ONLY JESUS IS SINLESS SINCE BIRTH

ACCORDING TO SAHIHS, AT BIRTH ONLY JESUS & HIS MOTHER ARE IMMUNNED FROM SATAN

By Nur el Masih ben Haq

Sahih Muslim, Book 030, No 5837

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: No child is born but he is pricked by the satan and he begins to weep because of the PRICKING OF THE SATAN EXCEPT THE SON OF MARY AND HIS MOTHER….”

Sahih Muslim, Book 030, No 5838

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The satan touches every son of Adam on the day when his mother gives birth to him WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MARY AND HER SON

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, No 641

Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab:

Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the TOUCH OF SATAN, EXCEPT MARY AND HER CHILD." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan"

Sahih Bukhari 4.506:

Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, EXCEPT JESUS SON OF MARY, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead.

Qur'an 19:19

"He (Archangel Gabriel) said (to Mary): I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son" (Qur'an 19:19). The Hadith (traditions of Islam) also says that all the children of Adam are touched by Satan at their birth, except Jesus, son of Mary.

Side: Christianity
1 point

MUSLIMS, DO YOU KNOW WHY PROPHET MUHAMMAD ADMITTED NOT KNOWING WHO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS (Quran 17:85)? DO YOU KNOW WHY HE SAID ONLY ALLAH KWOWS WHO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS? BELOW IS THE ANSWER:

  By Nur el Masih Ben Haq

 

Baqara

002.253 “Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: to one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.................”

So, the Holy Spirit given to Jesus was an EXCLUSIVE one. In fact according to a Hadith,

Al-Baqara

002.087 “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.......”

Again, the Holy Spirit given to Jesus was a unique one.

 

Nahl

016.102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

Al-Ma’ida

005.110 “Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity........”

Again the Holy Spirit is clearly NOT Angel Gabriel.

Al-Naba

078.038 “The Day that the Spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.”

Again, the Qur’an said “The Spirit and the angels” So the Spirit is different from the angels.

 

Al-Ma’arij

070.004 “The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years.”

Again, The Spirit is Quranically not referring to any angel.

 

Al-Qadr

097.004 “Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand.”

So, we can see that the Spirit is NOT an angel.

An-Nisa

004.171 “...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was... a Messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him....”

 

Al-Mujadilah

058.022 “....For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself.....”

Al-Anbiya

021.091 “And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.”

Obviously Allah did not breath angel Gabriel (jibril) into Mary.

 

 

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed to Allah to strengthen the famous poet Hassan ibn Thabit with the Holy Spirit in composing poems in defense of Islam: “O Allah! Strengthen him with the Holy Spirit.” (Reported by al-Bukhari)

 

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) later on said about Hassan: “Verily Allah, the Glorious and Mighty, is strengthening Hassan with the Holy Spirit.” (Reported by at-Tirmidhi and Ahmad) “The Holy Spirit is with Hassan in his work!” (Reported by Abu Dawud)

 

  

If the Holy Spirit referred to in the Qur’an means Angel Gabriel, why then has the Qur’an distinguished between THE ANGELS and THE SPIRIT?

The Qur’an categorically says:

(a) The ANGELS ( that is, inclusive of Angel Gabriel ) and

(b) The SPIRIT ( that is, in addition to Gabriel and his fellow Angels )

Al-Naba

078.038 The Day that THE SPIRIT and THE ANGELS will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.

Al-Ma’arij

070.004 THE ANGELS and THE SPIRIT ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:

Side: Christianity
1 point

THE CHIEF AUTHORITY ON THE QUR’AN, PROPHET MUHAMMAD, CLAIMED THAT THE LIGHT WAS CREATED ON WEDNESDAY AFTER THE CREATION OF THE MOUNTAINS AND TRESS etc (AN OBVIOUS BLUNDERS!!!).

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Sahih Muslim, Chapter MCLV, The beginning of creation and the creation of Adam, Hadith No. 6707:

Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (mpbuh) took hold of my hands and said: Allah the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (pbuh) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, ie. Between afternoon and night.

Ambiguities.

On the other hand:

THE SUN IS THE SOURCE OF THE FIRST LIGHT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE

Contrary to what liars like Dr. Bucaille said, the Bible has clearly and correctly stated that the sun is the source of the first light (which separate the day from the night)

According to the Bible (GENESIS CHAPTER 1):

Then God said, “Let their be light”; and there was light. (V 3-4)

God saw that the light was good: and God SEPERATED the light from darkness ( V 4 ).

God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, day one ( V 5 ).

{Verse 14 explicitly confirms that the light referred to here actually came from the Sun ( and stars ) that God had earlier created (as we will see later)}.

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Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expance of the heavens to SEPARATE the DAY from the NIGTH, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years ( 14 ).

God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also….and to SEPARATE the LIGHT from DARKNESS…Day Four( 14-19 ).

( Here the Bible has made it clear that the hitherto young stars--and specifically the Sun--were the source of the ‘FIRST lights’ meant for SEPARATING the DAY from the NIGHT and the DARKNESS from the LIGHT referred to in verses 4 and 5 ).

Side: Christianity
1 point

WHY DOES THE KORAN APPEAR CONFUSED AND INCONCLUSIVE ABOUT THE NATURE OF JESUS?

By Nur el Masih Ben Haq

The Koran (19:30-35) reported Jesus prophesying blessings on him on:

i. The day of his birth

ii. The day of his DEATH and

iii. The day of his resurrection

Similarly, Allah is reported in the Koran (3:55) to have said that He would:

i. Make Jesus to DIE and then

ii. Take him up unto Himself

But another verse in the Koran (4:158) says Allah took Jesus up onto Himself without Jesus dying first.

Perhaps, as a way out of this embarrassing contradiction, Muslims probably fabricated or adopted from Christians, the idea of the Second Coming of Jesus and modified it to mean he would come back to: Marry, bear children, die naturally and be raised from the dead at the end of time like every one.

But some Islamic Scholars reject these Hadiths of Jesus’ Second Coming because as big as the revelation is, it is not traceable to any verse of the Koran. “ If it was actually Allah who foretold it, why is it not even slightly in the Koran?; And would that not affect the ‘SEAL OF THE PROPHET ‘ status of Prophet Muhammad? etc etc etc “ So why all these confusions?

Side: Christianity
Firnen(1) Disputed
1 point

WHY DOES THE KORAN APPEAR CONFUSED AND INCONCLUSIVE ABOUT THE NATURE OF JESUS?

Why does it matter?

Side: Islam
Nur360Masih(10) Clarified
1 point

It matters because it questions the credibility of the Quran.

Side: Islam
1 point

IT IS CUSTOMARY FOR SPIRITUAL BEINGS TO ASSUME HUMAN NATURE WHEN ON MISSION TO HUMAN BEINGS.

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Says Allah according to Qur'an 6:9, "Had We appointed an ANGEL our messenger, We ASSUREDLY had made him LIKE A MAN SO THAT HE MIGHT SPEAK TO (associate with) MEN....."

So, Muslims should understand the INCARNATION of Jesus.

Side: Christianity
umaroth(3) Disputed
1 point

IT IS CUSTOMARY FOR SPIRITUAL BEINGS TO ASSUME HUMAN NATURE WHEN ON MISSION TO HUMAN BEINGS.

And why should that matter?

Side: Islam
Nur360Masih(10) Clarified
1 point

Muslims should not see Christ's human disposition as a proof of his being really human.

Side: Islam
1 point

I dont believe that Jesus was crucified I believed me was sent up to heaven and i also believe he was the prophet o god.

Side: Christianity

I would choose Jesus anyday over Mohammed the bandit and murderer any day. Jesus son of God or not was a wise an pure person and also Christianity has far less restrictions.

Side: Christianity

Islam is terrorism,Christianity is a religion;I do wonder whether anybody called 'the prophet" actually existed.

Side: Christianity
1 point

Christianity cannot be declared right based upon reason. It's just common sense and there is no criterion for this. If you are a criminal, a sadist or someone with a severe personality disorder then you are probably more in favor of islam.

Side: Christianity

Ask an ordinary folk he would definitely name Christianity;Islam directly corroborates to violence and hatred, and who would tolerate such repugnance?

Side: Christianity
1 point

Islam has completely destroyed the middle east and now moving to europe and america

Side: Christianity

Islam considers a pedophile who married a 6 year old girl the "perfect man", a man worthy of emulation. No thanks.

That was easy.

Side: Christianity
1 point

Video discussing Islam from an ex-Jihadist Terrorist

https://youtu.be/df1OzG0bDcU

Islam believes Jesus did not die, which is false and an unreasonable conclusion born out of nonsense by an illiterate angry man, who married and beat the crappie out of 9 year old girls, and executed people brutally for the spread of his own proclamations.

- Historians all agree, even atheist historians believe Jesus actually did die, convicted through a Roman trial, and died on a cross, as that was a method of execution.

So we compare, Jesus said I am the Good Shepherd, and the Good Shepherd lays down His Life for His Sheep.

And Mohommad put together ramblings stolen from Hebrew prophets, taken out of context, and ramblings taken twisted and made up from the New Testament, and Mohammad did it with an attraction to violence vengeance power greed antichrist embittered murderous rapist male shovenistic degrading of women to the point of cutting their clitoris so they have no pleasure in love and sex as they dangle Christians and Gays and everyone else they feel like killing and your even bothering to ask the question of comparison??

Islam believes that Jesus as a baby, sat up and said to look for Mohommad as the prophet. So why would Jesus point out a man that was exact opposite from anything He ever said?

And the eyewitness accounts of the Bible are verifiable accounts that would hold up in a court of law if written analysis forensics were used, and a forensic who was an atheist concluded it by that method, and since that investigation became a Christian because his logical mind actually couldn't dispute his own findings!

Every quote they use to give credibility is so far out of context, it's blatantly nonsense!

Video discussing Islam from an ex-Jihadist Terrorist

https://youtu.be/df1OzG0bDcU

Side: Christianity
1 point

Just checking, how old was Muhammed's youngest wife?

Also, how many wives did he have? :/

Side: Christianity
1 point

the creepy pedifile had a 9 year old. He sounds a bit like the guys my parents used to warn me about, you know, the whole puppies and candy thing.

Side: Christianity
1 point

simply put, CHRISTIANS DON'T BLOW INNOCENT PEOPLE UP. Also, I personally have not seen a methodist and a baptist shoot each other over small ideological differences.

Side: Christianity