Cause I don't know in which direction is Mecca without a GPS and all that bowing down and praying would force me to release methane gas into the atmosphere (adding to global warming) and when Chrsitians get mad enough at someone we just nail them to a cross and be done with it (;

Allahu Akbar!!!!

this debate is pointless if you compare it to who thinks their point is right and the other wrong. Islams will go pro Islam and Christians pro Christan. unless if you want to compare who did more good for humanity. i would go pro Christan, but again that is a personally opinion. i could come up with supportive views to Christianity while you could come up with negative. however the best current reason why i go pro Christan would be that many Islamic sects have zero tolerance to other beliefs.

25% of the Bible is prophetic, more than in any other "holy" book. All but 7 of the Bible's prophecies have come true. There is evidence that a great flood may have occurred 4,000 or so years ago. There is no rational way to disprove the events that took place in the Bible. Christianity is clearly the correct religion.

I am a christian. I guess you cant really spread your faith by the net, but that is who I am.

Christianity is the only belief system that teaches the "grace" of God and that God gave of himself a love and gift that is free. It is not based on a person's "efforts" for salvation, but is based on what God already did through Jesus on the cross.

Self-sacrifice is the ultimate presentation of love, and that is exactly what was demonstrated.

Christianity means to be "Christ-like"; to follow after Christ as a faithful servant. That means that those who are true Christians should do the same as Christ did, showing love as Christ did to them.

There is no "versus" about that. Love is the highest calling for any person and the best example of that is the one who gave his life for all to find it.

You want the violent religion to prevail? The religion which wants to wipe European culture off the map!

ARE THERE INCONSISTENCIES AND CONTRADICTIONS IN THE HOLY BIBLE?

By Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Unlike the Qur'an, the Bible did not come from one person. Pathetically, the Muslims mistakenly see the Bible as the Christian equivalent of their Qur'an. So, like I said earlier, they cite wrong parts of the Bible to prove that the Christian Word of God is contradictory.

Even then, logically, the seeming inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible are what confirm its genuineness. Such parts of the Holy Bible were observations and writings of VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS and under VARIOUS CONDITIONS. Scientifically, such reports are subject to INDIVIDUALITY and CONDITIONALITY unless they are edited. Therefore, this existence of 'INDIVIDUALNESS' and 'CONDITIONALITY' is logically a strong proof that the individual Biblical account have never been edited; and are not fictions in which case they would have been identically written by all the collaborators, but are true and historical events writen independently by various individuals.

Example of CONDITIONALITY Mark (10:46-52) says that Jesus healed while LEAVING Jericho. But Luke (18:35-43) says while ENTERING Jericho. This, as a Western Reverend writer observes in his book, had been thought to be (as it is apparently) a sharp contradiction until the excavation of Earnest Sellen of the German Oriental Society (citing 'Archeology and Bible History page 295), when it was discovered that the Jericho of Jesus' time was a double city--Jewish (old) Jericho and Roman (modern) Jericho, such that LEAVING one could as well mean ENTERING the other.

Therefore both Mark and Luke are perfectly right. Their various versions were caused by the CONDITION of the then Jericho namely, its double-city nature.

Example of INDIVIDUALITY Because Mark and Luke (as in the case above) did not collaborate but rather independently wrote, INDIVIDUALITY became obvious in their judgments. Thus while one of them 'conservatorially' regarded regarded the original (Jewish) Jericho as the (actual) Jericho, the other 'modernly' regarded the administrative (Roman) Jericho as (currently) the Jericho.

Other Examples i. Mark (1:6) says, "John's food was ONLY locust and honey", while Mathew (11:18) says, "John came NEITHER eating nor drinking.

Here, while Mark considered the 'exact aspect' of John's feeding, Mathew on the other hand considered the 'comparative' or 'metaphorical' aspect .

ii. According to John (19:17) Jesus bore his cross up to the Golgotha. But according to Luke (23:26), one Simon was later on forced to carry the cross to follow Jesus. 'A clear contradiction!! ', Muslims would exclaim. But the fact is that the then Jerusalem was a large and walled city and Golgotha was a place just outside Jerusalem. Normally, Jesus most have bore his cross from the Pilate's Court to as far as outside the Jerusalem Wall and within the premises of the Golgotha before the Simon, who was not even an accused, was nevertheless forced to just take over form the apparently too fatigued Jesus to the exact crucifixion spot.

Therefore, while John ignored the 'negligible' contribution of Simon, Luke on the other hand, recognized it, perhaps for historical record.

Naturally, 'INDIVIDUALITY' and 'CONDITIONALITY' variously manifest any time a historical event is independently reported by different individuals and or when there is a difference of condition.

These types of situations are what Muslims simplistically referred to as contradictions in the Bible.

iii. Matthew 20:29-34 says two blind persons, Mark 10:46 and Luke 18:35-38 say one blind person.

It just means that there were two blind persons. One is active in asking Jesus, the other was barely involved. So, while Mark and Luke ignore the “insignificant” involvement of the reluctant blind man, Matthew felt it was important to acknowledge his inconsequential involvement. In other words, while Mark and Luke recognize only active presence, Matthew acknowledges non active presence. This was because there was no collaboration. Each of them wrote independently with different emphasis and different intended message. If the event was fictitious, the versions would have collaboratively looked very identical.

It should be noted, however, that the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Qur'an can not be explained in terms of 'CONDITIONALTY' and 'INDIVIDUALITY' because the Qur'an as a whole was supposedly uttered by one person (God). Of course if there exist contradictions in the direct words of God in the Bible, they likewise can not be explained in that ways. But there is non in actual sense.

Contradictions or Lazy and Mischievous Scholarship

Being the oldest surviving book in the World, contemporary intervening factors need to be taken into account when dealing with apparent inconsistencies in the Bible.

A Cambridge University scientist, Professor Colins Humphreys tackled the biblical seeming inconsistency in which while Matthew, Mark and Luke all say the Last Super coincided with the start of Jewish feast of Passover, John implies it was before Passover.( http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110418/wl_uk_afp/britainreligionchristianseaster) )

The scientist believes it was due to a calendar mix-up between the one (a conservative Jewish calendar) used by Jesus – along with Matthew, Mark and Luke on one hand and the one (official lunar calendar) used by John on the other.

Professor Humphreys, who used a combination of biblical, historical and astronomical research, then noted, "Many biblical scholars say that, for this reason, you can't trust the Gospels at all. But if we use science and the Gospels hand in hand, we can actually prove that there was no contradiction."

Other claims of contradictions in the Bible are mere mischief of the Muslims and their paid agents, the normally greedy, materialistic and corrupt Western atheists.

May the Almighty Yahweh open the eyes.

Well, the Bible doesn't promote violence, only if necessary though.

The Qur’an is to the Islamic Religion right?

I've read it and it's probably the most violent thing I have ever read my whole life.

Verse's from THE Qur’an

Qur'an:9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Muhammad himself was very active in the Beheading of non-believers.

So these verses, are they not violent or attacking all other religions?

Or are you (whoever disputes this) just fu-king stupid?

Well obviously. It has been around since Jesus was born and part of it is the same as Judaism. 2 in 1.

i dont know about you muslim people but i want to go to heaven when i die...sorry

IF YOU READ YOUR BIBLE IT HAS PROOF THAT GOD EXIST AND THE BIBLE NEVER LIES

EITHER JESUS DIED BEFORE ASCENSION OR “ALLAH” HAS MADE MISTAKE AGAIN IN THE FOLLOWING VERSE THIS:

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

In the Quran, Surah 3:144

"And Muhammad is only an apostle; all the [other] apostles have passed away before him:..."

So, since Jesus came before Muhammad, either Jesus indeed died before ascension or “Allah” has made mistake again.

Fallicies of Islam:

1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.

Some Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Qur'an judges the Bible.

2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

If you end where you began, you got nowhere.

Examples:

#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.

#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.

#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

3. False Analogy: Comparing two things as if they are parallel when they are not really the same at all.

Examples:

#1 Many Muslims erroneously assume that Muslims and Christians share the same concepts of God, revelation, inspiration, textual preservation, the Bible, prophethood, biblical history, conversion, etc...

#2 Because a false analogy is drawn between Islam and Christianity, some Muslims think that any argument which refutes the Qur'an will likewise refute the Bible; any argument which refutes Muhammad will also refute Jesus Christ, etc...

#3 For example, many Muslims claim that Muhammad and all prophets were sinless. They even deny that Abraham was an idol worshipper. Thus when a Christian points out all the wicked things that Muhammad did (mass murder, child abuse, lying, etc.), the Muslims will say, "If you are right, then you must also reject your biblical prophets for doing wicked things as well."

What he is really saying is, "If you reject my prophet, then you must reject your prophets as well. If Muhammad was a false prophet, then your prophets are false as well."

The root problem is that the Muslim concept of prophethood is not the same as the Christian concept of prophethood. We teach that prophets sin like anyone else. Thus while Islam is refuted by the sins of Muhammad, Christianity is not jeopardized at all. The Muslim is guilty of setting up a "false analogy."

Whenever a Muslim responds to a Christian attack on the Qur'an, Muhammad, or Allah by flipping the argument around and applying it to the Bible, Jesus or the Trinity as if Islam and Christianity either stand or fall together, he is guilty of the fallacy of false analogy. Islam can be false and Christianity be true at the same time.

4. The Fallacy of Irrelevance: When you introduce issues which have no logical bearing on the subject under discussion, you are using irrelevant arguments.

Examples:

#1 Some Muslims argue, "The Qur'an is the Word of God because the text of the Qur'an has been preserved perfectly." This argument is erroneous for two reasons:

a. Factually, the text of the Qur'an has not been preserved perfectly. The text has additions, deletions, conflicting manuscripts, and variant readings like any other ancient writing.

b. Logically, it is irrelevant whether the text of the Qur'an has been preserved because preservation does not logically imply inspiration. A book can be perfectly copied without implying its inspiration.

#2 When Muslims attack the character and motives of anyone who criticizes Islam, they are using irrelevant arguments. The character of someone is no indication of whether he is telling you the truth. Good people can lie and evil people can tell the truth. Thus whenever a Muslim uses slurs such as "mean," "dishonest," "racist," "liar," "deceptive," etc., he is not only committing a logical fallacy but also revealing that he cannot intellectually defend his beliefs.

#3 When confronted with the pagan origins of the Qur'an, some Muslims defend the Qur'an by answering, "So what! Didn't you Christians get Christmas from the pagans?"

This argument is erroneous for several reasons.

a. It is a false analogy to parallel the pagan origins of the rites commanded in the Qur'an with the present day holidays nowhere commanded in the Bible. What some modern day Christians do on Dec. 25th has no logical bearing on what the Qur'an commands Muslims to do (eg. the Pilgrimage, the Fast, etc.).

b. It is irrelevant that some Christians choose to celebrate the birth of Christ. Since the Bible nowhere commands it, it is a matter of personal freedom. But Muslims are commanded in the Qur'an to believe and practice many things which came from the paganism of that day.

c. The Muslim by using this argument is actually admitting that the Qur'an was not "sent down" but fabricated from pagan sources. This means he has become an unbeliever (Surah 25:4-6).

#4 Some Muslims argue that the Qur'an is the Word of God because it contains some historically or scientifically accurate statements. This argument is irrelevant. Just because a book is correct on some historical or scientific point does not mean it is inspired. You cannot take the attributes of a part and apply it to the whole. A book can be a mixture of true and false statements. Thus it is a logical fallacy to argue that the entire Qur'an is true if it makes one true statement.

When a Muslim argues that history or science "proves" the Qur'an, this actually means that he is acknowledging that history and science can likewise refute the Qur'an. If the Qur'an contains just one historical error or one scientific error, then the Qur'an is not the Word of God. Verification and falsification go hand in hand.

#5 The present meaning of a word is irrelevant to what it meant in ancient times. The word "Allah" is a good example. When confronted by the historical evidence that the word was used by pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times to refer to a high god who was married to the sun-goddess and had three daughters, some Muslims will quote dictionaries, encyclopedias, etc. to prove (sic) that "Allah means God." They are thus using modern definitions to define what the word meant over a thousand years ago! What "Allah" means now has no bearing on what it meant before Muhammad.

5. The Fallacy of Equivocation: If we assume that everyone has the same definition of such words as God, Jesus, revelation, inspiration, prophet, miracle, etc., we are committing a very simple logical fallacy.

#1 When a Muslim says, "Christians and Muslims worship the same God," he is committing the fallacy of equivocation. While Christians worship the Triune God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Muslims worship a Unitarian deity. Obviously, they are worshipping different Gods.

#2 When a Muslim says, "We believe in Jesus too," he is committing the fallacy of equivocation. The "Jesus" of the Qur'an is not the Jesus of the Bible. Islam preaches "another Jesus" (II Cor. 11:4). The Jesus of the Bible is God the Son who died on the cross for our sins. But the "Jesus" of the Qur'an is not God the Son and he did not die on the cross for our sins. Thus it is erroneous for Muslims to tell Christians that they believe in Jesus, too.

#3 When a Muslim assumes that Christians have the same concept of revelation as Muslims, he is guilty of the fallacy of equivocation. According to Islam, the Qur'an was written in heaven by Allah and has no earthly sources. When we prove that it comes from earthly sources, this threatens the inspiration of the Qur'an.

On the other hand, the Bible does not claim that it dropped out of heaven one day. It openly quotes from earthly sources. It uses pre-existing sources without any difficulty whatsoever, Thus while the Qur'an is threatened by historical sources, the Bible is actually confirmed by them.

#4 When a Muslims tells you that the word "Allah" has only one meaning: "the one, true, universal God," he is assuming a fallacy. The word "allah" has many different meanings.

a. It can be used as a generic term like the English word "God." Thus it can be applied to any god or goddess regardless if a true or false god is in view. (ex. The "Allahs" of Hinduism.)

b. The Nation of Islam uses it to refer to Wallace Dodd Ford, Elijah Muhammad, and Louis Farrakhan as "Allah" and teaches that all black people are "Allahs."

c. It has been used by some Christians in Arabic speaking countries as a generic name for the Holy Trinity.

d. It was used in pre-Islamic times by pagan Arabs to refer to the moon-god who was the father of al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat.

e. It is used by Muslims to refer to their god.

Islam and Christianity do not worship the same God. The Christian worships the Holy Trinity while the Muslim worships a unitarian deity.

6. The Fallacy of Force: The Qur'an commands Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims and apostates (Surah 5:33; 9:5, 29).

Some Muslims use a false analogy to answer this argument. They respond by saying, "Well, what about the Crusades? You Christians use violence just like Muslims."

It is logically erroneous to set up a parallel between Muslims killing people in obedience to the Qur'an and Christians killing people in disobedience to the Bible. While the Qur'an commands Jihad, the New Testament forbids it.

7. The Fallacy Of Confusing Questions of Fact with Questions of Relevance: Whether something is factually true is totally different from the issue of whether you feel it is relevant. The two issues must be kept separate.

Examples:

#1 When a Christian argues that some of the beliefs and rituals of the Qur'an came from pre-Islamic Arab paganism, the Muslim will deny it at first. But as more and more evidence is given, the Muslim will often do a flip-flop and begin arguing, "So what! Didn't you Christians get Christmas from the pagans?" The Muslim has now committed three fallacies:

a. The "So what!" argument is dealing with the issue of relevance, not fact. You must stop the Muslim at that point and ask him, "Since you are now dealing with the issue of whether the pagan origins of the Qur'an are relevant, does this mean that you are now agreeing to the fact of the pagan origins of Islam?"

b. The Muslim has also committed the fallacy of equivocation, The Bible is not threatened by historical sources. It freely refers to them and even quotes them (Acts 17: 28). But the Qur'an denies that it has any earthly historical sources (Surah 25:4-6).

c. He also committed the fallacy of false analogy. The Bible and the Qur'an are two totally different books. The inspiration of the Bible does not depend upon the fate of the Qur'an because what Muslims claim for the Qur'an is not what Christians claim for the Bible.

8. Phonic Fallacies: The phonetic sound of a word should not be used to twist its meaning. For example,

a. Some Muslims try to prove that the word "Allah" is in the Greek New Testament because of the Greek word alla. But while the word is pronounced "alla," it only means "but" in Greek. It has nothing to do with the Arabic "Allah."

b. Some Muslims have claimed that the word "Allah" is in the Bible because the Biblical word "Allelujah." They then mispronounce the word as "Allah-lujah" But "Allelujah" is not a compound Arabic word with "Allah" being the first part of the word. It is a Hebrew word with the name of God being "JAH" (or Yahweh) and the verb "alle" meaning "praise to." It means "praise to Yahweh." The Arabic word "Allah" is not in the word.

c. The same error is found in the Muslim argument that the word "Baca" (Psa. 94:6) really means "Mecca." The valley of Baca is in northern Israel.

d. Some Muslims have tried to go from "Amen" to "Ahmed" to "Mohammed!" Such nonsense is beyond belief.

9. "Red Herring" Arguments: When a Muslim is asked to defend the Qur'an, if he turns around and attacks the reliability of the Bible, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Crusades, etc., he is introducing irrelevant issues that have no logical bearing on the truthfulness of Islam. He is trying to divert attention from Islam to other issues.

Furthermore, he is assuming that if he can refute the Bible, then the Qur'an wins by default. If he can refute the Trinity, then Allah wins by default. But this is logically erroneous. You cannot prove your position by refuting someone else's position. The Bible and the Qur'an could both be wrong. Muslims must prove their own book.

10. Straw Man Arguments: When you put a false argument into the mouth of your opponent and then proceed to knock it down, you have only created a "straw man" argument, Muslims sometimes either misunderstand or deliberately misquote the arguments Christians give them.

Example:

Some Muslims have built a "straw man" argument that claims that we teach, "The Qur'an teaches that Allah is the Moon-god and that Muslims knowingly believe in and worship the Moon-god and his daughters." They then knock down this "straw man" argument and claim victory. Of course, we never said such nonsense. What we have said is that while the Qur'an claims that Allah is God and Muslims think they are worshipping the one true God, in reality they are worshipping a false god preached by a false prophet according to a false book.

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Logically, it would have to be Christianity. Islam was based off of Christianity, so it is more likely to be a fabrication.

Similarly, Judaism would be less likely to be fiction than Christianity.

Zoroastrianism would be more likely to be real than Judaism.

So on and so forth.

Basically, if your sacred religious text needed to plagiarize from another sacred religious text, then there is more chance for the original to be divine than yours.

Christianity becauuse honestly if you think about it Mohammed was fake in the Qu'ran it says "Kill all Infidels" then it says "love all people". then if christianity says one wife and islam says you can have 4 then one has to be right. ( i say christianity because you have to have love between the two people you cant just have one man having sex with others). Mohammed for all of you people that didnt know this married a 9 yr old. He was being taught by a christian priest when he was younger and married the priests neice. He probably got most off his stuff from the bible (angel gabriel sees mary mohammed gets vision from angel gabriel coincedence i think not). Mohammed by the way being this so called "Great Prophet" couldnt even perform miracles! Unlike Jesus who performed miracles.

I'm not Christian but I will side with them if the political winds should shift!

CHRIST’S DIVINITY: The Inference from Adam

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Muslims are fond of saying that it was not only Jesus that had spirit (ruh) from God; that Adam too got his spirit directly from God. Why was Adam not more than an ordinary human being etc?

The Original Adam was not Ordinary. He Was Likened to Jesus ln Some Ways

The Holy Bible reveals relationship between Adam and Jesus thus, "The FIRST Adam became a LIVING SOUL, the LAST Adam (Jesus) a QUICKENING SPIRIT", 1 Cor. 15:45. Therefore, to understand the nature of Jesus more, we must go back to the Adam's case.

Understanding Jesus from the Nature of Adam

As Muslims observe, Adam too got his ruh directly from God. But the important question Muslims fail to ask themselves is “When God breathed His Ruh into Adam what then followed? Was that followed by an unusual recognition or not? Let us see:

Allah’s Instruction: Allah commanded his angels that once he breathes (something of) his spirit (ruh) into Adam all of them should honor Adam with prostration, which is an act of ibadah that is Islamically reserved for Allah alone. In fact, the reason why Allah coursed Iblis to became Satan was his refusal to prostrate to Adam as instructed by Allah himself.

QUR’AN 15:28-31

Your Lord said to the angels, "I am about to create a man from aged mud, like the potter's clay.

"Once I perfect him, and blow into him from My spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him."

The angels fell prostrate; all of them,

except Iblis (Satan). He refused to be with the prostrators

He said, "O Iblis (Satan), why are you not with the prostrators?"

He said, "I am not to prostrate before a human being, whom You created from aged mud, like the potter's clay."

He said, "Therefore, you must get out; you are banished.

"You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment."

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QUR’AN 2:34

When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan; he refused, was too arrogant, and a disbeliever.

QUR’AN 17:61-62

When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan. He said, "Shall I prostrate to one You created from mud?"

He said, "Since You have honored him over me, if You respite me till the Day of Resurrection, I will possess all his descendants, except a few."

QUR’AN 7:11-12

And We created you then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee ? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.

These Concur With the Bible

BIBLE (HEB.) 1:6

But when he (God) again brings his firstborn (Adam) into the world, he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him!”

The Apocryphal Jewish Source Also Concurs

Apocryphal (The Life of Adam and Eve) 141:143

“ Then Michael (Angel Jibril) came; he summoned all the troops of angels and told them, "Bow down before the likeness and the image of the divinity." And then, when Michael summoned them and all had bowed down to you, he summoned me [Satan] also. And I told him, "Go away from me, for I shall not bow down to him who is younger than me; indeed, I am master prior to him and it is proper for him to bow down to me. ”

Allah Also Declares Adam as His Deputy on Earth on Earth (Qur’an 2:30). And what many Muslims don’t know, like it is in Christianity (Gen. 2:7), Islamically:

ALLAH CREATED ADAM IN HIS OWN IMAGE (Surah)

Al-Bukhaari (6227)

Narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allah created Adam in His image, and he was sixty cubits tall. When he created him….”

Muslim (2612)

Narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "When any one of fights his brother, let him avoid the face, for Allah created Adam in His image."

Ibn Abi 'Aasim, al-Sunnah (517)

Ibn Abi 'Aasim narrated in al-Sunnah (517) that Ibn 'Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not say 'May Allah deform your face' for the son of Adam was created in the image of the Most Merciful."……..

Ibn Abi 'Aasim, (516)

Ibn Abi 'Aasim also narrated (516) that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "When any one of you fights let him avoid the face, for Allaah created Adam in the image of His Face."

Logical Conclusion

Therefore, Biblically and Qur'anically Adam, whose flesh was made from just the sand (Gen. 2:7, Qur'an 28:72), was notwithstanding such GLORIOUS initially. And, logically, the glorious qualification came from what God breathed in him (something of God’s spirit).

Jesus

Jesus is Ruh’Allah (Spirit or Soul of God) and his Word: John 1:1, 14:8:23, Phl. 2:5-8; and the Qur'an 4:171, 2:252 etc; Jesus is PERFECT IMAGE of God (Heb. 1:1-3); the woman scheduled to born him had to be promoted above ALL THE WOMEN OF THE WORLD: See Luke 1:28, 30:34, 41-44, 48-49, and 54-55. Also says Qur'an 3:42, “O Mary! Allah has CHOSEN thee, and PURIFIED thee, and PREFERRED thee ABOVE ALL THE WOMEN OF CREATION."

Final Logical Comparison

However, Adam did not pass Satanic test but sinned (that shows some relative weakness in him), thereby lost his INITIAL STATUS and therefore he was ordered out of MOST EXALTED DWELLING, the Garden of Eden(Qur'an 7:19-24, Gen. 3:1-24). But Jesus passed all the Satanic tests (Mt.4:1-11, Heb. 4:15; Qur'an 19:19; 3: 46; 6: 86;), which logically implies comparative superiority of the Divine Spirit in him (Jesus).

Therefore, the fact that SOIL is the comparative parent of Adam, who, again, could not pass Satanic test, sinned and was demoted; and Mary, the SUPERIOR among all women (Luke 1:28, 30:34, 41-44, 48-49, 54-55. and Qur'an 3:42), is the comparative parent of Jesus, who again, passed all the Satanic tests, did not sin and therefore was NEVER demoted; given that both Adam and Jesus got their souls from God directly; it follows that whatever type of soul God gave Adam was originally INFERIOR to the one He gave Jesus. Thus Jesus would still have been superior to Adam even if he (Adam) had been able to defend his INITIAL STATUS, (and thus Jesus was, by the way, very superior to the demoted Adam, and extremely superior to the descendants of Adam).

Divinity of Jesus Logically Proved

So if initially Adam, made from soil, was inter-alia, QUALIFIED to be God's IMAGE/LIKENESS or GOD's VICEROY and WORTHY OF A WORSHIP BY THE ANGELS OF GOD, all because his soul was God-breathed, then Jesus, who has much greater of these qualifications is logically divine.

That was why when Jesus was asked to disclose God he said, "Have I been with you so long and yet you do not know me...? He who has seen me has seen the Father (God); how can you say, 'show us the Father?..I do not speak on my (the human) authority, but the Father who DWELLS IN ME DOES HIS WORKS", John 14:8-10.

And, that is why when Jesus accomplished his mission on the Earth, he went back to where he came from, Qur'an 4:158, "God has raised him up unto HIMSELF". See also John 6:28, 62, and Mk. 16:19. John 8:23.

THE CHIEF AUTHORITY ON THE QUR’AN, PROPHET MUHAMMAD, CLAIMED THAT THE LIGHT WAS CREATED ON WEDNESDAY AFTER THE CREATION OF THE MOUNTAINS AND TRESS etc (AN OBVIOUS BLUNDERS!!!).

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Sahih Muslim, Chapter MCLV, The beginning of creation and the creation of Adam, Hadith No. 6707:

Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (mpbuh) took hold of my hands and said: Allah the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (pbuh) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, ie. Between afternoon and night.

Ambiguities.

On the other hand:

THE SUN IS THE SOURCE OF THE FIRST LIGHT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE

Contrary to what liars like Dr. Bucaille said, the Bible has clearly and correctly stated that the sun is the source of the first light (which separate the day from the night)

According to the Bible (GENESIS CHAPTER 1):

Then God said, “Let their be light”; and there was light. (V 3-4)

God saw that the light was good: and God SEPERATED the light from darkness ( V 4 ).

God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, day one ( V 5 ).

{Verse 14 explicitly confirms that the light referred to here actually came from the Sun ( and stars ) that God had earlier created (as we will see later)}.

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Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expance of the heavens to SEPARATE the DAY from the NIGTH, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years ( 14 ).

God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also….and to SEPARATE the LIGHT from DARKNESS…Day Four( 14-19 ).

( Here the Bible has made it clear that the hitherto young stars--and specifically the Sun--were the source of the ‘FIRST lights’ meant for SEPARATING the DAY from the NIGHT and the DARKNESS from the LIGHT referred to in verses 4 and 5 ).

WHY DOES THE KORAN APPEAR CONFUSED AND INCONCLUSIVE ABOUT THE NATURE OF JESUS?

By Nur el Masih Ben Haq

The Koran (19:30-35) reported Jesus prophesying blessings on him on:

i. The day of his birth

ii. The day of his DEATH and

iii. The day of his resurrection

Similarly, Allah is reported in the Koran (3:55) to have said that He would:

i. Make Jesus to DIE and then

ii. Take him up unto Himself

But another verse in the Koran (4:158) says Allah took Jesus up onto Himself without Jesus dying first.

Perhaps, as a way out of this embarrassing contradiction, Muslims probably fabricated or adopted from Christians, the idea of the Second Coming of Jesus and modified it to mean he would come back to: Marry, bear children, die naturally and be raised from the dead at the end of time like every one.

But some Islamic Scholars reject these Hadiths of Jesus’ Second Coming because as big as the revelation is, it is not traceable to any verse of the Koran. “ If it was actually Allah who foretold it, why is it not even slightly in the Koran?; And would that not affect the ‘SEAL OF THE PROPHET ‘ status of Prophet Muhammad? etc etc etc “ So why all these confusions?

IT IS CUSTOMARY FOR SPIRITUAL BEINGS TO ASSUME HUMAN NATURE WHEN ON MISSION TO HUMAN BEINGS.

Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Says Allah according to Qur'an 6:9, "Had We appointed an ANGEL our messenger, We ASSUREDLY had made him LIKE A MAN SO THAT HE MIGHT SPEAK TO (associate with) MEN....."

So, Muslims should understand the INCARNATION of Jesus.

Neither! Messianic Judaism is the best religion! .

I found quite interesting that in all debates about Islam, the pro-Islam side is usually made from freshly new debaters with same "grammatical issues".

Christianity cannot be declared right based upon reason. It's just common sense and there is no criterion for this. If you are a criminal, a sadist or someone with a severe personality disorder then you are probably more in favor of islam.

Ask an ordinary folk he would definitely name Christianity;Islam directly corroborates to violence and hatred, and who would tolerate such repugnance?

Islam has completely destroyed the middle east and now moving to europe and america

simply put, CHRISTIANS DON'T BLOW INNOCENT PEOPLE UP. Also, I personally have not seen a methodist and a baptist shoot each other over small ideological differences.

EVEN ISLAMICALLY ONLY JESUS IS SINLESS SINCE BIRTH

ACCORDING TO SAHIHS, AT BIRTH ONLY JESUS & HIS MOTHER ARE IMMUNNED FROM SATAN

By Nur el Masih ben Haq

Sahih Muslim, Book 030, No 5837

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: No child is born but he is pricked by the satan and he begins to weep because of the PRICKING OF THE SATAN EXCEPT THE SON OF MARY AND HIS MOTHER….”

Sahih Muslim, Book 030, No 5838

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The satan touches every son of Adam on the day when his mother gives birth to him WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MARY AND HER SON

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, No 641

Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab:

Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the TOUCH OF SATAN, EXCEPT MARY AND HER CHILD." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan"

Sahih Bukhari 4.506:

Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, EXCEPT JESUS SON OF MARY, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead.

Qur'an 19:19

"He (Archangel Gabriel) said (to Mary): I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son" (Qur'an 19:19). The Hadith (traditions of Islam) also says that all the children of Adam are touched by Satan at their birth, except Jesus, son of Mary.

MUSLIMS, DO YOU KNOW WHY PROPHET MUHAMMAD ADMITTED NOT KNOWING WHO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS (Quran 17:85)? DO YOU KNOW WHY HE SAID ONLY ALLAH KWOWS WHO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS? BELOW IS THE ANSWER:

　 By Nur el Masih Ben Haq

Baqara

002.253 “Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: to one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.................”

So, the Holy Spirit given to Jesus was an EXCLUSIVE one. In fact according to a Hadith,

Al-Baqara

002.087 “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit.......”

Again, the Holy Spirit given to Jesus was a unique one.

Nahl

016.102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

Al-Ma’ida

005.110 “Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity........”

Again the Holy Spirit is clearly NOT Angel Gabriel.

Al-Naba

078.038 “The Day that the Spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.”

Again, the Qur’an said “The Spirit and the angels” So the Spirit is different from the angels.

Al-Ma’arij

070.004 “The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years.”

Again, The Spirit is Quranically not referring to any angel.

Al-Qadr

097.004 “Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand.”

So, we can see that the Spirit is NOT an angel.

An-Nisa

004.171 “...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was... a Messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him....”

Al-Mujadilah

058.022 “....For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself.....”

Al-Anbiya

021.091 “And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.”

Obviously Allah did not breath angel Gabriel (jibril) into Mary.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed to Allah to strengthen the famous poet Hassan ibn Thabit with the Holy Spirit in composing poems in defense of Islam: “O Allah! Strengthen him with the Holy Spirit.” (Reported by al-Bukhari)

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) later on said about Hassan: “Verily Allah, the Glorious and Mighty, is strengthening Hassan with the Holy Spirit.” (Reported by at-Tirmidhi and Ahmad) “The Holy Spirit is with Hassan in his work!” (Reported by Abu Dawud)

If the Holy Spirit referred to in the Qur’an means Angel Gabriel, why then has the Qur’an distinguished between THE ANGELS and THE SPIRIT?

The Qur’an categorically says:

(a) The ANGELS ( that is, inclusive of Angel Gabriel ) and

(b) The SPIRIT ( that is, in addition to Gabriel and his fellow Angels )

Al-Naba

078.038 The Day that THE SPIRIT and THE ANGELS will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.

Al-Ma’arij

070.004 THE ANGELS and THE SPIRIT ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:

I dont believe that Jesus was crucified I believed me was sent up to heaven and i also believe he was the prophet o god.

I would choose Jesus anyday over Mohammed the bandit and murderer any day. Jesus son of God or not was a wise an pure person and also Christianity has far less restrictions.

Islam is terrorism,Christianity is a religion;I do wonder whether anybody called 'the prophet" actually existed.

Islam considers a pedophile who married a 6 year old girl the "perfect man", a man worthy of emulation. No thanks.

That was easy.

Video discussing Islam from an ex-Jihadist Terrorist

https://youtu.be/df1OzG0bDcU

Islam believes Jesus did not die, which is false and an unreasonable conclusion born out of nonsense by an illiterate angry man, who married and beat the crappie out of 9 year old girls, and executed people brutally for the spread of his own proclamations.

- Historians all agree, even atheist historians believe Jesus actually did die, convicted through a Roman trial, and died on a cross, as that was a method of execution.

So we compare, Jesus said I am the Good Shepherd, and the Good Shepherd lays down His Life for His Sheep.

And Mohommad put together ramblings stolen from Hebrew prophets, taken out of context, and ramblings taken twisted and made up from the New Testament, and Mohammad did it with an attraction to violence vengeance power greed antichrist embittered murderous rapist male shovenistic degrading of women to the point of cutting their clitoris so they have no pleasure in love and sex as they dangle Christians and Gays and everyone else they feel like killing and your even bothering to ask the question of comparison??

Islam believes that Jesus as a baby, sat up and said to look for Mohommad as the prophet. So why would Jesus point out a man that was exact opposite from anything He ever said?

And the eyewitness accounts of the Bible are verifiable accounts that would hold up in a court of law if written analysis forensics were used, and a forensic who was an atheist concluded it by that method, and since that investigation became a Christian because his logical mind actually couldn't dispute his own findings!

Every quote they use to give credibility is so far out of context, it's blatantly nonsense!

Video discussing Islam from an ex-Jihadist Terrorist

https://youtu.be/df1OzG0bDcU

One says to bring about nuclear war to bring on the coming of the Mahdi. The other says love your enemies...

the story of creation which both Muslims and Christians share is allogatory. How come the lord god created all animals in pairs except man. Then realized the man is lonely. Then what the purpose of gaining paradise, if the man was all alone with hid creator god in the garden of Eden, but it was not complete for him, he sought for a woman.

Didn't the god know that in the first place? did the god jealous of the woman?

if he was the only god then how come the serpent representing knowledge had the consciousness that the god had.

the god said now the man has become like us.genesis 3:5, 22

They’re both BRAINWASHING!,, Bullshit to control people. The only reason I post on Christian side as Christianity is not quiet as rapid and fascist and degrading women as Islam. I’m not atheist! I’m NOT A SON of ABRAHAM. I am son of oden

Christianity came before Islam. Islam had invaded and took over the middle east. They now think they can do the same to the west. They will fail. Judaism also came before both. What does Islam teach these days? Force people to join them or behead them? Only a sect. But here's the truth, Jesus was not just some prophet, He was the Messiah and still is our Lord & Savior. The Bible and scriptures foretold is not wrong. Babylon and the Beast want to target the Bride which is the Church. Babylon was foretold to be from the east which I have always pondered over; could that be Islam while the Catholic Church is overtaken by the beast because of all the paganism mixed in with Judeo-Christian content? Yes. Ladies & gents, pay attention, the Roman Catholic Church are the ones who lied. They kept scriptures away from the public while having their monks change stuff up while claiming to be translating it. But the truth is, the Romans killed all the apostles except one; John the Baptist aka John the Revelator. The Whore of Babylon is from the east no doubt and is prophesied from the Book of Revelations to be drinking the blood of the Saints of God. Christianity wins. God wins. Islam is misguiding. Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God, who was sent to save the world from sin. Jesus is also the only mediator between God the Father and man. Roman Catholics still pray to Mary today which is false idolatry. Trinitarianism is false because of the Hellenization of Christianity after Alexander the Great and also what Constantine the Great continued. The nicene trinity is false. The Godhead has three members; God the Eternal Father, Jesus Christ the Only Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit.

Just checking, how old was Muhammed's youngest wife?

Also, how many wives did he have? :/