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Well, I don't often hear about many other religions which agree with suicide bombings and then the next day see little kids on the streets praying Allah for that good deed.
I don't often hear about many other religions which agree with suicide bombings
Islam doesn't do it too. only some people who have lost their family members or loved ones get into rage and fight against america(mostly) because America bombarded Iraq for a quantity of oil.
see little kids on the streets praying Allah for that good deed
little kids do not do that!!! where did you get this stupid crap from???
Oh I don't know, since we started categorizing all Christians as anti-science primates?
Here are the facts:
99% of Muslims in Afghanistan and 91% in Iraq as well as 84% of Pakistani Muslims support a form of Sharia law. Now you might say that I'm pulling stats from majorly Muslim countries, and that's true, but look at their populations.
Afghanistan: 34.66 million
Iraq: 37.2 million
Pakistan: 193.2 million
That's 265 million Sharia law-supporting Muslims just in those countries. To broaden our view, let's look at some percentages:
Out of 38,000 Muslims interviewed in 39 countries, 84% of South Asian Muslims, 64% in the Middle Eastern, 77% in Southeast Asia, 18% in Southern/Eastern Europe, and 12% in Eastern Asia support some or every form of Sharia law. I wouldn't call that a minority.
For a moment just think of Islam and Christianity and Judaism religions as constructs of cultures and societies. Stick with me theists, I have a point!
Note how the teachings have evolved over the centuries as the cultures and societies have greater understanding and sophistication. The religions adapt to remain relevant, doctrines evolve. Heres the point.
A huge part of Islam is lagging centuries behind the other two because of the lack of evolution in the cultures/societies still using it. In the west Islam is evolved past the killing part, as did the others. But un-evolved Islam is still a huge slice of the pie. Its not numbered in the thousands but in the hundreds of millions. This is the core problem whole cultures and societies are still doing things today using currently culturally unacceptable standards, of human rights, and freedoms. There are TWO Islams, and one of them is big and bad. Thats it.
Study a little history - Islam has always been violent. Islam has tried to overtake others land and religion. If there are "good Muslims" they are not working hard enough to stop the "bad ones".
Islam is equivalent to terrorism based on the beliefs. As a Muslim, if you sacrifice your body (kill yourself) for Allah, you will definitely get into heaven.
Well Islam corresponds and correlates to terrorism,barbarity.Look at Boko Haram,ISIS,Hejbollah,Egyptian IS,all of them have one purpose -SPREAD FEAR AND TERROR.This is not a religion by any means it's a garrison of radical glitches,whose destination lies in the hell.'Islam' preaches violence and any religion preaching so must be eradicated from the face of Earth.
Well I've made my point as clear as crystal;It's obvious that Islam has proven to be a dangerous religion,compelling masses of a nation to get converted into muslims and terrorists.They are,what I say,the bad glitches spoiling the air of the globe.
Islam is the only major religion in the world today that actually promotes war and violence.
Only some people in Islam promote war violence, etc. Even if there were 1 million violent Islamic terrorists in the world that would be about half of one-hundredth of one percent of the muslim population. The KKK is a small percentage of Christians who promote terrorism/violence - is Christian "equivalent to" terrorism?
Terrorists are about violence, Cops are the opposite.
How many so call radical Muslims are there source1
source2 From source2 Dalia Mogahed and John Esposito co-authored the book "Who Speaks for Islam" which grew out of a survey conducted by the Gallup polling agency and released in 2008. The authors claim only 7 percent of the world's Muslims are "political radicals" who believe the 9/11 attacks were completely justified. Yet another 29.6 percent think the 9/11 attacks were partially or in some way justified. This takes the total world-wide percentage of Muslims who think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified, up to 36.6 percent, or almost 4 out of every 10 Muslim.
Lets be conservative and say the percentage is only 5%
.05 x 2.08 billion = 104,000,000 assholes who want me dead. That, my friend is not a small or insignificant number by any reckoning.
Terrorists are about violence, Cops are the opposite.
Indeed - yet guess which one kills us more...
I have never been shot at by a policeman. I know scores of others (some black) and none of us have been shot at by policemen. But again none of us have failed to follow an officers instructions, or bolted from a traffic stop, or attacked and officer either. Hmmmm
Lets be conservative and say the percentage is only 5%
Um, how is 5% "conservative" when your own source1 says less than 1% is even "at risk" for becoming radical:
"While conducting research for his latest book, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimate that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals."
"The Christian Science Monitor reported in September that the top European Union counter-terrorism official estimated that roughly 3,000 Europeans had gone to fight in Syria, although this figure also counted the dead and was later reduced to 2,000."
"Even if that figure was 3,000 and even if that represented only a tenth of all the Muslims in Europe "dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization," that would put the figure at 0.01 percent of Europe's Muslims"
As to source2, belief that 9/11 was partially or completely justified is not the same as violent radical.
More directly, what percentage of a given population makes the entire population terroristic?
When there were millions of KKK members (less than 100 years ago), were Christians "equivalent to" terrorism?
"While conducting research for his latest book, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimate that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals."
One guy talking about one country talking about new radicals. Hmmm kind of insufficient in my opinion.
Um, have you ever been killed by a terrorist?
Lets see ------ I'm gong to say I'd rather be in front of a cop holding a shot gun than some crazy Islamic freak with a knife. And You?
Since the random cop is probably the good guy and the random Muslim has a one or two in ten chance of being a crazy Islamic freak, I'll still go with the cop every time. Note I increased my most conservative estimate to 20% because may ass is on the line in your example.
Which only proves the point that we have an exaggerated fear of Muslims.
You are more likely to die from a bee sting, falling in the tub, getting hit by lightning, or even being killed by a toddler than from an Islamic terrorist - yet that isn't our perception.
Note: even if your percentage is 20%, the Muslim is "probably" a "good guy", too.
You should probably remember that many fundamentalists are concentrated in certain areas; just like how Christian fundamentalists are concentrated in certain regions of the US. The US is isolated from most Muslim fundamentalists; so, the world statistic for % of fanatics does not translate to the US just as it would not translate to Egypt (way lower in US, way higher in Egpyt).
A religion can't do anything. The people who practice Islam promote wars. So, my question to you is, how is it not Christianity that also promotes wars when America is run by Christians and they decide to go to war? I am just trying to figure out the difference.
I repectufully disagree with your statements about the lack of other religions terror attacks. The Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by Timothy McVeigh, a self-identified Christian. The KKK, to my knowledge, is a protestant organization, although it has recently become more open, and is well known for what in modern times would be considered domestic terrorism against non-whites, immigrants, and Catholics. There have been multiple acts of terror committed by a variety of organizations against homosexuals and pro-abortionists. With these examples chosen out of many it seems to stand that there have been many terroristic attacks commitied by individuals and organizations of other religions.
I feel the underlying message of the Islamic faith must be a significant factor in the spawning of the most brutal and inhuman terrorist organization in existence. All Muslims should bow their head in shame at the barbarity of their terrorist Islamic brothers and question their religion which came unashamedly with sword in hand. Although there is a long way to go, there is at last a recognition by most western governments that Muslims will never merge peacefully with the nations which welcomed them and they adopted as home. The vileness of their religion and the barbarity of this filth is truly beyond proper description. Along with their rats and imported diseases they should all be repatriated as a matter of extreme urgency.
Here's some important info about the religion of pieces; they are diametrically opposed to the very ideals our country stands for: freedom of speech/expression; freedom of/from religion; pursuit of happiness; lifestyle choice; empowerment of women... yet the left defends them. Go figure that one?????????????
I'm not against Muslims - but I am against Islam. Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but the ideology of Islam supports terrorism.
These are real quotes from the Qur'an translation (Mohsin Kahn translation)
"The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter." - 5:33
"(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes." - 8:12
"Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah (tax on non-Muslims) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." - 9:29
"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it" - 2:216
"Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (those who accept Gods other than Allah) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat, and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." - 9:5
"If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease (evil desire for adultery, etc.), and those who spread false news among the people in Al Madinah, cease not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbours but a little while. Accursed, wherever found, they shall be seized and killed with a (terrible) slaughter. That was the Way of Allah in the case of those who passed away of old, and you will not find any change in the Way of Allah." -33:60-62
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves..." - 48:29
I could go on to list more verses that incite violence, but I doubt that would be necessary.
The fact that we "will not find any change in the Way of Allah" suggests that the 'Way of Allah' will always be this violent, including terrible slaughters and no mercy.
It is clear that some regressive Islamic teachings are taught by Muslims. 23% of British Muslims want Sharia law in the UK - Sharia law includes many violent punishments (e.g. amputating a thieve's hand, or stoning someone to death for adultery). 39�lieve wives should always obey their husbands.
Yes, this means that 77% of British Muslims disagree with Sharia law, and 61% protect the rights of a wife - so I will agree that most British Muslims are peaceful. However, it is clear that it is a bigger problem among Muslims than any other demographic. This can't just be dismissed as a coincidence. In countries such as Afghanistan or Pakistan, an estimated 99% of Muslims agree with Sharia law. The more power Islam has in any given country, the more violent/extremist Muslims are, and the less rights women/gays/non-muslims have.
Maybe this doesn't class as terrorism, but it's not exactly fun to think about. The problem is that in every Muslim country, women are oppressed, gays are murdered, and people can be stoned to death for blasphemy. The Qur'an contains countless violent quotes that justify Islamic terrorism. The ideology of Islam is equivalent to terrorism. Yes, the vast majority of Western Muslims are not terrorists, but Islam itself is.
It is not. This is just wide-spread stereotype, which has nothing to do with the religion. It is pity that many extremist movements are associated with Islam as religion. And also don't forget that we live in the era of information, world media, TV and PR, which form and create these stereotypes in order to justify certain policies and interests.
Some people in Islam are terrorism but large people are not terrorism. I think they are terrorism who want to make misunderstanding of Islam and other Religions.
the west has always tried to manipulate people by convincing them that islam supports terrorism. basically they believe that the muslims revolve around one slogan."COnvert or Die". let it be known that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. second largest religion in the world. now lets review the facts. Islam, at one stage was the dominant religion with the best military base. many leaders from caeser to hitler have ackknowledged the the power of the islamic military. if our motive was to kill every single non-believer if they didnt convert, almost the whole world would be islam. yet we co-exist with men and women of other religions even in arab countries. what you see on TV, the "muslim terrorists" are men who have gone against the true islam. and even though these are just a drop in a whole ocean of muslims, u assume islam teaches and supports terrorism. where is the justice in that
Islam is a peaceful religion. I believe it is the activities of terrorists that has cast doubts in the minds of many. It is the people that has to be blamed, not the religion. Do you think that the Quran instructed terrorists to bomb and kill innocent people? These people do it because they feel it is the right thing to do and they do it not on behalf of their religion but on behalf of politics and international affairs. Even to the laws of this country define terrorism as a politically motivated act of violence and not a religious motivated act of violence and i think that people are getting these two definitions confused by applying terrorism to be as part of the religion of Islam. When it comes to punishment, every religion has punishment for its people when they have committed an act of wrong in as much as every society has rules and regulations to punish those who violate those very laws and rules.
Islam is a peaceful religion. I believe it is the activities of terrorists that has cast doubts in the minds of many. It is the people that has to be blamed, not the religion.
Islam is a primitive warlord ideology that has spread across continents and has ravaged socially the countries where it is the majority religion. There is nothing useful that it brings to the world that could not be earned through common sense and everything else is a cancer to humanity: misogyny, sectarianism, homophobia, theocracy, fear of knowledge and medicine, superstition, conversion by the sword.
Do not make the mistake of transferring your feelings for the followers to the religion. The followers are people, they feel pain and trauma, but the religion does not and must be measured by its content.
Do you think that the Quran instructed terrorists to bomb and kill innocent people? These people do it because they feel it is the right thing to do and they do it not on behalf of their religion but on behalf of politics and international affairs.
The Quran does not prohibit violence, but condones it. Even where there is no violence like bombings, the Quran is responsible for laws that terrorise innocent people in their homelands, with stonings, beheadings, amputation, lashings and rape being the standard legal and social punishments for otherwise benign behaviours.
Even to the laws of this country define terrorism as a politically motivated act of violence and not a religious motivated act of violence and i think that people are getting these two definitions confused by applying terrorism to be as part of the religion of Islam.
People who suicide bomb do so in the name of their religion. They are recruited into religious schools from a young age, and indoctrinated into Quranic study and sectarian propaganda. They are sent on their mission with the knowledge that they are fighting on behalf of god.
When it comes to punishment, every religion has punishment for its people when they have committed an act of wrong in as much as every society has rules and regulations to punish those who violate those very laws and rules.
In Islamic states, the Quran is used as a basis for law and blasphemers are punished all the time. The states also publicly punish attempted terrorists and supporters. This is two-faced however because a number of these same states also covertly fund and assist terrorists from their own sect against enemy sects. Pakistan is an example of this, Saudi Arabia is likely another.
Those issues you point out does not only pertain to Islam but also pertains to the existence of many other religions. And furthermore, many of those issues you pointed out has to do with society also expecially the Victorian era (which by the way was ruled by the British), so dont make it seem as if Islam is the only religion with these issues. Doesn't Christanity also speaks about homophobia and those other issues you mentioned? If the followers feel pain and trauma, then how come they practice their religion with faith and pereverance? Can you prove that these people are facing pain and trauma? Oh yes, you are going to say that some are killed for leaving the religion of Islam but can you really prove that?
You speak again as if the Quran is the only religion of punishment. Correct me if i am wrong, but the U.S is a country built upon Christianity and it is also a society that executes people, isnt it? Didnt the U.S in the past, beheaded, burned, drowned, amputate, whipped, etc criminals as a form of punishment in which many of the innocent were executed? Didnt the United States also in the past, granted the death penalty for the offense of rape?
People who commit terrorism say it is because of their religion but do you really believe that? If that was indeed the case, then there would have been a different category of terrorism or the laws would have provided a different definition of terrorism. Terrorism started as a result of international dispute and not religious dispute. Check up on the root of terrorism in the middle east.
Society in the mid east is designed according to the rules of Islam because there is a deep respect for religion. You cant expect society there to be like society in the western culture because you are dealing with separate cultures. Nothing is wrong with using the Quran to make rules in society which is what those people did. Those states that fund terrorism activity has to do with politics again and not religion.
Those issues you point out does not only pertain to Islam but also pertains to the existence of many other religions. And furthermore, many of those issues you pointed out has to do with society also expecially the Victorian era (which by the way was ruled by the British), so dont make it seem as if Islam is the only religion with these issues. Doesn't Christanity also speaks about homophobia and those other issues you mentioned?
We are not talking about Christianity or other religions. We are talking about Islam. It is also very clear that in countries with Islam as a state religion, human rights scarcely exist.
If the followers feel pain and trauma, then how come they practice their religion with faith and pereverance? Can you prove that these people are facing pain and trauma? Oh yes, you are going to say that some are killed for leaving the religion of Islam but can you really prove that?
I said that we must be careful not to harm innocent people despite our disdain for Islam.
Honour killings are a common occurrence in Islamic nations. In Turkey, for example, a father killed his homosexual adult son and then fled the country.
I have seen images and reports of beheaded young girls, their bodies left in public areas in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.
You speak again as if the Quran is the only religion of punishment.
The topic is Islam.
Correct me if i am wrong, but the U.S is a country built upon Christianity and it is also a society that executes people, isnt it?
The United States is a secular nation. That means it has a wall of separation between religion and the law. Executions are not an innately religious occurrence. They become one when the crime is religious in nature, like blasphemy.
Didnt the U.S in the past, beheaded, burned, drowned, amputate, whipped, etc criminals as a form of punishment in which many of the innocent were executed?
No. We have laws against Cruel and Unusual Punishment. This is called the Eighth Amendment.
Our executions were first by hanging, then electric chair, and finally by lethal injection.
I am rarely prideful of my nation because is has had so many dark and sordid historical affairs, but one thing I take pride in is our commitment to secularism and our generally civilised nature towards each other, at least compared towards medieval society.
Didnt the United States also in the past, granted the death penalty for the offense of rape?
Rape of children in certain states may get you the death penalty. In the vast majority of cases it is for the crime of murder.
I think it highly civilised that in our country we do not punish the rape victim as well (did you not know that in a number of middle-eastern states if you report that you were raped, especially homosexual rape, you will be punished for sodomy?). We also do not stone people.
People who commit terrorism say it is because of their religion but do you really believe that?
I think all the videos of young men thanking god and dedicating the following violence to Allah, before blowing themselves up, and all the Jihad activist organisations who constantly bombard us with "Allahu akbar" while taking credit for bombings, and all the Jihadist newspapers and media which thank god for success in their struggle against the infidel, etc. all conclusively demonstrate that Islamic terrorism is religious in nature. What more could you ask for? Do you need the stars lined up to spell it out to you in constellation?
If that was indeed the case, then there would have been a different category of terrorism or the laws would have provided a different definition of terrorism. Terrorism started as a result of international dispute and not religious dispute. Check up on the root of terrorism in the middle east.
It does not matter what the laws say or what the historical roots may be. The fact is that we are dealing with a modern event, which is clearly religious in nature, to the point that people are dying while shouting out "praise god" so if this is hard for you to accept, then I think you need to sit back and spend some time reflecting on reality.
Society in the mid east is designed according to the rules of Islam because there is a deep respect for religion.
They don't respect religion but only Islam and specifically their own sect of it. The United States respects religion. Note that we have thousands of different Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, Shrines, etc. and zero bombings and virtually no killings over it. Certainly nothing that can compare to the Middle East, where each Islamic state seems to have severe bombings more than once a year between Islamic sects.
You cant expect society there to be like society in the western culture because you are dealing with separate cultures.
Separate cultures does not mean separate species. We are all human and deserve the same basic rights, which the Middle Eastern States are largely unable to provide to their people.
Nothing is wrong with using the Quran to make rules in society which is what those people did.
Of course it's wrong. We're all human beings and allowing billions of people to be subjugated by laws that forbid the most basic human rights is unconscionable. Do you hate women? Women are some of the most oppressed people there, certainly the largest group of people who are treated like second-class citizens not allowed to have a presense in their society thanks to the Burqa and Sharia laws concerning gender roles. This is to say nothing of anyone who isn't a Muslim, or is homosexual, or is liberal in their views.
You must have a streak of misanthropy to condone such poor treatment of innocent people.
Those states that fund terrorism activity has to do with politics again and not religion.
When it's a state it is political. However the people they support for political reasons have religious agendas.
It seems that you are forgetting that the thesis of my first argument was Islam is made up of rules, and sanctions for violating those very rules, in as much as any society. The fact that human rights are being abused is a fault of the government and not the religion. The government is supposed to be responsible for the abuse of human rights and if those rights are not tend to, then it becomes the fault and negligence of the government in their incompetent leadership.
If what that father did to his son (which by the way, i do not support) was lawful in a country with Islamic Laws, then why did he had to flee the country where the crime was committed if according to you, there is little respect for human rights? Was it that he was scared of being punished by the laws?
I reemphasised on the point that Islam is not the only source of rules and punishment because the conclusion or thesis of my argument is the fact that Islam is in as much as any other religion or society. Therefore, my arguments are based on my thesis or conclusion.
The United States is a secular nation but as far as i am aware of, executions in the United States took place as a result of traditional and religious punishment. That can be traced back to the origin of the capital punishment in the United States.
We do have laws against Cruel and Unusual punishment but how many were innocently and brutally executed before those laws were implemented? In case you are forgetting, early executions in the United States were by hanging, burning, drowning, beheading and many more until the Supreme Court made specific rulings on the consitutionality of the methods of punishment used in capital punishment. Also, how come the U.S Supreme Court ruled that it was not unconstitutional to execute a man the second time after the electric chair electrocuted but not to the extent of killing him due to a mechanical error but ordered his execution for the second time?
In the past, the death penalty was given for the offense of rape until the laws were ammended and various appeals were filed with the Supreme Court. I agree that we do not punish the victims, but in the past, victims of rape were allowed to be questioned about their past sexual history and then that line of questioning was used against the victims by making them appear as liars or prostitutes in the minds of the Judge or Jury. Didnt in the past also, homosexuality was a crime. Werent people arrested and prosecuted for homosexuality as a crime? Homosexuality was even regarded as a mental disorder and still does according the opinions of many.
They are thanking God whenever they commit an act of terrorism but do you think that they are doing it for their religion or their country? Do you think that the source of these actions are of a political nature and because they express thanks to God for their actions does not mean that Islam favors their actions. If that was indeed the case, then how come many muslims and these are not just muslims but strong level of faith belief muslims came out and spoke against the act of many of their other muslims? And how come did the Islamic Law not prosecute these muslims or muslim organisations?
I agree that we are dealing with a mordern act, so the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI unlike the laws were created in modern society but they also have a different but similar definition of the term terrorism in that the word terrorism "is a politically motivated act." Why did the U.S and the mid east encountered a dispute? I do not suspect in the least amount that all it takes is for religion to spark a dispute, it is more than religion, it has to do with the politics involved in international relations and trade.
While i would agree that Islam is a religion of peace, i do not agree with the way the government has executed it's functions. My country of origin is also a country where Islam is practised, but yet the Chief Prosecutor of my country is a muslim woman and she is part of an International Islamic Organisation. While my country is not built upon Islamic Laws, women like the one i previously mentioned would be counted as sinners because they are supposed to be the inferior housewife type that is subjected to the rules of their male counterparts in Islam but unlike what you are claiming, this is not the case. Women has always been considered as being the inferior type but many efforts are being made to change the perception of those who would think so. Oppression of women and homosexuals exists in many other societies as well, and not only Islamic societies. It has to do with traditions. And as far as i am aware of, every religion counts homosexuality as a sin and expects women to abide by the rules her husbands makes. I however do not support the oppression of homosexuals and women, is why i am publishing a paper on these two issues highlighting the origin of these issues in the Victorian Era.
Islam forbids political activity to be closely associated with religion so if the state is in a political dispute and they provide funding to a terrorist group, it no longer becomes a religious act but a political act of vengeance.
It seems that you are forgetting that the thesis of my first argument was Islam is made up of rules, and sanctions for violating those very rules, in as much as any society. The fact that human rights are being abused is a fault of the government and not the religion.
The sanctions within Islam are human rights violations. Women are sanctioned by Islam to be inferior to men, and there is no tolerance for other beliefs. You either convert to the religion, die, or in some rare cases are treated as a second-class citizen known as a Dhimmi. Blasphemy, which encompasses any criticism of the religion, is punished by death.
This is what Sharia is, it is a stone-age set of rules for how to conduct society that has draconian punishments for the most innocuous of of behaviours. Amputations for theft. Death for apostasy.
The government is supposed to be responsible for the abuse of human rights and if those rights are not tend to, then it becomes the fault and negligence of the government in their incompetent leadership.
The government is merely following religious dogma, because in these cases the state is a theocratic one and the Quran supersedes state authority, as defined in the constitutions. What this really means is that Imams and Clerics run the state from the background and use barbarous punishments to force their societies into primitive social conditions. Islam is not a tolerant or enlightened religion, so it must follow that any state which follows its values can never escape barbarism, but the catch is that due to Islam's status as a religion with god-given laws, and the punishment for blasphemy being death, it means that these states can never blame Islam for gender inequality, or human rights violations. To do so would be like blaming god for his system not working. Therefore Islam's problems are ignored or blamed on something external.
If what that father did to his son (which by the way, i do not support) was lawful in a country with Islamic Laws, then why did he had to flee the country where the crime was committed if according to you, there is little respect for human rights? Was it that he was scared of being punished by the laws?
Because Turkey is a secular state, just like the United states, which means that he doesn't have a Sharia court and law to back him. That's an important point here, Turkey is suffering from Islamic fundamentalism just like the United States has Christian fundamentalism. Both have their own creationists, their own hate-mongers. However in Turkey one of the big social problems is honour killings.
I think the only thing that lets our nation maintain decency sometimes is our bitter struggle to defend free speech and our use of it to expose and ridicule fundamentalism here. In Turkey there doesn't seem to be as much of this, and indeed a number of works have been censored there due to Muslim sensitivities. If more Turkish men and women were outspoken against Islam, they might see a more free society there.
I reemphasised on the point that Islam is not the only source of rules and punishment because the conclusion or thesis of my argument is the fact that Islam is in as much as any other religion or society. Therefore, my arguments are based on my thesis or conclusion.
No it isn't. Islam is one of the most violent religions on Earth. It not only condones but praises religious violence. Christianity condones religious violence but is less explicit, and Judaism is a severe minority so it has hardly the following to do any damage.
Which is also just a minor point compared to the fact that it was in Christian empires that an enlightenment occurred which undermined religious authority and set us on the path for liberal democracies. Islam hasn't had this outcome. It is hardly changed from centuries ago in terms of social reform.
The biggest mistake people make is in considering Islam just another religion.
The other problem with this is that it is a kind of admission that as long as it is a religion, everything done in its name may be forgiven. People kill each other every day in the name of Islam and just because it is a religion does not mean it deserves a free pass for this. Nazism is an ideology and millions died in the name of it. We don't forgive Nazism as being unblamable for these atrocities. The same is true for Communism and Fascism. We do not forgive these ideologies for the deaths suffered due to their influence on the human mind. Why defend Islam? Billions of people are living repressed lifestyles because of it, but it gets a free pass? Are you kidding me here?
The United States is a secular nation but as far as i am aware of, executions in the United States took place as a result of traditional and religious punishment. That can be traced back to the origin of the capital punishment in the United States.
You'd better list some examples then. I'm not considering lynch mobs, by the way, these are illicit murders handled by mob justice.
We do have laws against Cruel and Unusual punishment but how many were innocently and brutally executed before those laws were implemented? In case you are forgetting, early executions in the United States were by hanging, burning, drowning, beheading and many more until the Supreme Court made specific rulings on the consitutionality of the methods of punishment used in capital punishment.
The Eighth Amendment was adopted in 1791, as part of our Bill of Rights.
How many people are innocently stoned to death every week, burned to death, drowned, buried alive, beheaded, and amputated in the Middle Eastern Islamic states? If you tried to change their ways against such brutal punishments you would be branded as a Kafir, because they are merely following holy law. Even if we accept that it took many painful deaths to arrive at lethal injection here, your argument resonates most clearly against the Islamic States you indirectly defend by passing Islam off as peaceful.
Also, how come the U.S Supreme Court ruled that it was not unconstitutional to execute a man the second time after the electric chair electrocuted but not to the extent of killing him due to a mechanical error but ordered his execution for the second time?
I was under the impression that these rulings were due to legal precedent. You will need to be more specific.
In the past, the death penalty was given for the offense of rape until the laws were ammended and various appeals were filed with the Supreme Court. I agree that we do not punish the victims, but in the past, victims of rape were allowed to be questioned about their past sexual history and then that line of questioning was used against the victims by making them appear as liars or prostitutes in the minds of the Judge or Jury.
Worlds different from taking a rape victim and putting them into jail.
Didnt in the past also, homosexuality was a crime. Werent people arrested and prosecuted for homosexuality as a crime? Homosexuality was even regarded as a mental disorder and still does according the opinions of many.
Again, this doesn't support your case because in Islamic states homosexuals are executed.
They are thanking God whenever they commit an act of terrorism but do you think that they are doing it for their religion or their country? Do you think that the source of these actions are of a political nature and because they express thanks to God for their actions does not mean that Islam favors their actions.
I suggest you try reading from the horse's mouth. An example is the Islamist Alliance's proclamation in Somalia:
Excerpts Below
History has shown us that Muslims were not able to achieve glory and propagate their religion except through their unity and holding on to the rope of Allah; and that Muslims have never tasted humiliation of defeat except when they were divided... This tragedy, however, will not end except with the unification of Muslims on the basis of Islam and the methodology of Ahlu Sunna Wal Jama’ and not on the basis of secular nationalism.
We have also agreed upon the following:
- Working towards the establishment of the Islamic Caliphate upon the path of the prophet.
- Waging Jihad in the cause of Allah to accomplish Tawheed and eradicate Polytheism until Allah is worshiped alone without partners
- Confrontation of the global Zionist-Christian Crusade and its suppression.
- Application of the Shariah of Allah and the administration of justice and elimination of injustice.
- The application of the ideology of Alliance and Enmity ( Al Wala Wal Bara)
- Restoration of the Islamic sanctities and cleansing them from the Jews, Christians and apostates
- Supporting the oppressed and freeing the Muslim prisoners
- nification of the Muslim Ummah upon the banner of Tawheed
- Creation of a cohesive Muslim society that is guided by a correct ideology, Islamic morals and Shariah
Source (More exist, this is just a blog that copied and pasted it):
The point is that these people are acting under religious motivations which determine their politics in some way.
If that was indeed the case, then how come many muslims and these are not just muslims but strong level of faith belief muslims came out and spoke against the act of many of their other muslims? And how come did the Islamic Law not prosecute these muslims or muslim organisations?
In a free society they are allowed to condemn each other verbally. In an Islamic society they risk violence for blasphemy or simply going against the social norms of their area. In Islamic societies the condemnation seems to stem from sectarianism, always the Sunni and Shia against each other, calling each other infidels and apostates.
I agree that we are dealing with a mordern act, so the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI unlike the laws were created in modern society but they also have a different but similar definition of the term terrorism in that the word terrorism "is a politically motivated act." Why did the U.S and the mid east encountered a dispute? I do not suspect in the least amount that all it takes is for religion to spark a dispute, it is more than religion, it has to do with the politics involved in international relations and trade.
The difference is a matter of scope. When you have an individual who is engaged in violence, it is a matter of personal beliefs. When you have one mob fighting another, it is sectarianism (religion). When you have a nation fighting the other (or nation-wide military organisations) it is political. The top-down version is that the leaders of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and their hundreds of offshoots are fighting for purely political reasons (they want to be the future leaders of a megastate and see Islam as a means to this end) but they recruit people based on religion (these recruits believe that they are acting for god) and there are many casual supporters (they just believe as they were raised to). The religion makes allowances for violence and so it is very easily used to gain supporters for particularly violent movements.
Imagine trying to do the same thing with Buddhists or Jainists. How could you convince a population of largely nonviolent conviction that personal offense must lead to execution? How would you gain their support for implementing laws that treat women like slaves? It would be possible but much more difficult. With Islam we see ideas and indoctrinated culture that is ripe for manipulation.
While i would agree that Islam is a religion of peace, i do not agree with the way the government has executed it's functions. My country of origin is also a country where Islam is practised, but yet the Chief Prosecutor of my country is a muslim woman and she is part of an International Islamic Organisation.
You mean Maria Bashir? She's been on a hit list for some time. It really shows how much Muslim men fear women and their ability to succeed in society.
While my country is not built upon Islamic Laws, women like the one i previously mentioned would be counted as sinners because they are supposed to be the inferior housewife type that is subjected to the rules of their male counterparts in Islam but unlike what you are claiming, this is not the case. Women has always been considered as being the inferior type but many efforts are being made to change the perception of those who would think so.
What matters here is that Islam systematically places women into a role that is little different from property.
Oppression of women and homosexuals exists in many other societies as well, and not only Islamic societies. It has to do with traditions. And as far as i am aware of, every religion counts homosexuality as a sin and expects women to abide by the rules her husbands makes.
Matriarchies have existed in the past, and societies like the Greek and Roman empires were very tolerant of homosexuality. What is important to remember is that a religion is created from the local culture of origin and then is spread like a virus, taking those values with it. Islam and Judaism originated in the Middle East and took their views on women from those cultures. They then spread those views across the world.
I however do not support the oppression of homosexuals and women, is why i am publishing a paper on these two issues highlighting the origin of these issues in the Victorian Era.
They did not originate in that Era, however. They have existed for centuries as part of religion, and before those religions as parts of ancient cultures.
Islam forbids political activity to be closely associated with religion so if the state is in a political dispute and they provide funding to a terrorist group, it no longer becomes a religious act but a political act of vengeance.
Try reading Inspire and Jihad Recollections. They seem to not care about your theological distinction. To them politics and religion are part of the same thing.
Islam is not equivalent to terrorism! Just like Christianity is not equivalent to the KKK, although it did originate from Christian roots, that's not what Christianity or society is about today. It's bias to say the country where terrorism 'originated' makes every person in Islam or that country a terrorist.
Islam is not equivalent to terrorism! Just like Christianity is not equivalent to the KKK, although it did originate from Christian roots, that's not what Christianity or society is about today. It's bias to say the country where terrorism 'originated' makes every person in Islam or that country a terrorist.
Ah, but you are not speaking to people who are interested in facts. At least, not unless the facts conform to their already existing bias.
you can either think in accordance to your satisfaction due 2 da fictional influence of the media or u can stop watching the mainstream media and think outside the box, be independant and don't let the experts of the media think 4 u find out the facts from the muslims themselves .........20k of americans convert 2 islam per year eversince 911 ..... due to curiosity ..............& if u r curious y not find out the truth from the muslims themselves ........if islam equaled =terrorism i wouldn't b 1 and I'm not an arab i;m an african from africa & lived in usa 4 14 yrs. 2 find out if islam is terrorism or peace please click on this link if you don't want 2 click on it please don't label me a terros with prejudism or biases notes then click on jihad jane video
the main problem is that, when America killed many by posing war on Iraq for oil, many families were destroyed, and loved ones killed. people were enraged by this fact and for revenge started terrorizing america. when america took help from other countries, it terrorized them too. now it has grown to such an extent that it cannot be stopped. people are fighting for their loved ones and want to give America enough pain that they understand their plight and sorrows.
The Quran doesn't preach hate or fighting toward anyone that doesn't preach to Allah. The leaders of radical groups preach this thoughts of war and hate towards people. So saying that all Muslims are terrorist is not correct.
"(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes." - Chapter 8:12
No it's not, I mean to be a terrorist doesn't mean you have to be Islam as well as the fact that not all Islams are terrorists. Only extremists are terrorists and their are extremists in every religion.
Islam is NOT equivalent to terrorism! when you get a few extremists that preach war and violence, there will be war and violence. This is true for ALL religions, Islam is suffering from this quite a bit right now but all other religions have, will and do suffer from this.
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves" 48:29
"slay the idolaters wherever you find them...take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush" 33:91
"Fighting is prescribed for you" 2:216
"(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" 8:12
Yes people are terrorists, and most Western Muslims are not terrorists. Yes, it is people who are terrorists, but you can't deny that the Qur'an, in many places, encourages terrorism and violence against non-Muslims.
No its not,how can one say islam is equal to terrorism,so what about hindu , muslim ,Christianity all the people do crimes in this world and people think they are the only one who do terrorism which is absolute nonsense..They are fighting for something which we dont know anything about that ..they are also humans who just need something to stop all their activities..so stop blaming them as the terrorists and think them as humans..not every Islamist is a terrorist only few jump with some terrorist activities not everyone so finally a big no and i conclude by saying it needs a good government to make everything clear in Islam and you can then realize they are also humans not terrorists.
No it is not, every one can be a terrorist. Those people that brand Islam or Muslim as terrorist, they are wrong... (I wish those who told they are, ask for forgiveness).. It's just happen that those in behind of every scene we see are portrayed by people try to convince their selves they are Islam, but in eyes of Allah, they are not, because of the things they do.
Islam will never be equivalent to terrorism . all these missunderstandings have a big impact on our society so that islam means terrorism . I belong to the Islam family as long as my mother and my father are . But to be hones with all of you , i believe that above us is only one God that protects any of us in his way either if he is JESUS CHRIST OR MOHAMMED ! both of these religions have their type of practice and both of them have their Influence on us . Having faith on God means that dont matter what happens you wont be never alone as long as you have faith . I have seen people who go to the church and people who visit the mosque just to fullfill their inner feelings and neccesaries .
Islam isn't equivalent to terrorism at all. Islam is a religion that is just different from Christianity and other religions by the way it worships God. The only reason one might see Islam as terrorism is because of the poor representations of it by suicide bombers. They call themselves Muslims but in reality, they would be cursed and totally banished among a community of Muslims.
While it's true that there is an alarming number of terrorist activities in the name of Islam, there are many non-radical Muslims across the globe who actively fighting this image.
If we result to branding entire religions as terrorist organizations not just Islam would be included. During the crusades Christian performed many acts of terror in order to convert non-Christians. While there were many involved in these activities, there were many who did not participate or support.
In conclusion, the Islamic faith, while being the current umbrella for terrorism, is not in itself a terrorist organization.
Islam in itself is not terrorism. Any religion if practiced without respect and tolerance to other religions and faiths results in terrorism. But, Islam contains certain guidelines or preachings which encourage intolerance towards anyone who doesn't follow their religion. It is these preachings which radicalise people towards violence.
All the religions and religious customs evolve over time. However, Islam has not evolved much due to inherent violence embedded in the practices of it. Hence, if these Practices which leads to violence are eliminated and the preachings of love towards fellow muslims is applied to everyone including those following other religions, then Islam is as good as other religions.
