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Leftists never mention tear gas & turning the hoses on Natives in 2016
Libs tell us family seperations at the border is like Nazi Germany. So what is Obama turning the hoses and tear gas on Natives? Nazi Germany to the 100th power?
It looks like the point is that you didn't call it nazi death camps, even though it was worse, and you called family seperations nazi death camps only because it's Trump, which is why every sane person rolls their eyes and ignores libs.
It looks like the point is that you didn't call it nazi death camps, even though it was worse
Hello Liz:
Nahhh... I don't have time or the inclination to CONDEMN every nasty thing anybody ever did. That's why I made a BLANKET condemnation of all that shit.. I guess you missed it..
You ALSO missed my position regarding calling people Nazis.. As a Jew, I NEVER call bad behavior Nazism because it DIMINISHES what the fucking Nazis actually DID..
The fact remains.. If Trump DIDN'T do such rotten shit, you wouldn't HAVE to point to Obama to excuse it..
Nahhh... I don't have time or the inclination to CONDEMN every nasty thing anybody ever did. That's why I made a BLANKET condemnation of all that shit.. I guess you missed it..
I'm sorry.. Even IF Obama did all that shit, he's NOT in power.. The orangeman IS.. Clearly you agree that Trump has done wicked shit or you wouldn't be pointing at Obama..
He probably doesn't think what Trump is doing is wicked, and is pointing out to you that Obama did the same thing, and you didn't think it was bad shit then because it isn't actually bad shit in the first place.
And I will continue to point out that you didn't think it was wicked shit when the President was Obama. You thought it was shit to be overlooked and ignored, and probably for the same reason Trump supporters are ignoring it now.
Reading helps.. If you want a fair debate, learn to READ WHAT THE FUCK I WROTE!!
Dude..
excon
PS> Yes, I got MORE to say.. If you didn't think I was right, you wouldn't keep on changing your identity in the middle of the debate.. If you're right, STAND up.. Tell us WHO you are.. Don't make up shit and then hide under a rock..
Families were seperated and held in cages during the Obama administration, yes or no?
Hello c:
NO!
THE FACTS: Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses.
The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department.
The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses.
In other words, Obama did it, he just did it without a zero tolerance policy (probably because the law infers a zero tolerance policy by the nature of being a law), but he still did it.
The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department.
Democrats have declared that seperating children from parents is immoral, and your own statement admits that Obama's administration did exactly that.
You ALSO missed my position regarding calling people Nazis.. As a Jew, I NEVER call bad behavior Nazism because it DIMINISHES what the fucking Nazis actually DID..
Yes, yes. Antisemitic Socialism is a preventable crime.
Yes, yes. Antisemitic Socialism is a preventable crime.
Stop calling the Nazis socialists you pathetically dishonest little prick. They were far right fascists who occupied precisely the same part of the political spectrum as you. They hated minorities, gays, communists, atheists and blacks just like you. They lied through their teeth just like you. They persecuted the left just like you.
The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries.
Let's take a peak at reality rather than nonsensical bullshit revisionism, shall we?
Mussolini, the creator of Fascism:
1)
"It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman… [Marx] had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet."
2)
"The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in theVal d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end."
3)
Militarism! Here is the monstrous leech that is incessantly sucking the blood of the people and its best energy! Here is the target for our attacks! We must put an end to barbarism, proclaim that the army is now a highly organized school of crime and that it exists solely to protect bourgeois capital and profits. We must not be deterred from proclaiming ourselves international socialists. We recognize no borders and no flags, we hate all steel, every institution that exist to kill men, waste energy, strangle the advance of the workers.
4)
Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation… the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the Italian people… What does social justice mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes, it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. Nor is this enough. It means that the workers must enter more and more intimately into the productive process and share its necessary discipline… As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labour.
They hated minorities, gays, communists, atheists and blacks just like you
I hate none of those groups except for Communists, and Hitler allied with one to take Poland and another from Italy in the Axis of Powers. His actions sure do say he was cozy with them.
I have quoted multiple gay, female, Hispanic and black Conservatives happily on this very site.
Because Obama was actually pretty right wing in many aspects, he wanted Republicans to like him. Keep in mind the hosing of those natives was in the interest of large oil companies, not of the left and certainly not of the American people. Anyway, it was Republican leaders in Dakota that allowed that to happen, as well as likely mostly Republican men spraying the hose.
24,000 Tons of Trash Left Behind at DAPL Protest Camp
The North Dakota Department of Emergency Services has announced that the cleanup of the site cost $1 million and 24,000 tons of trash was removed from the site.
Mar 02, 2017
Last month, the Standing Rock Environmental Protection Agency, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, Dakota Sanitation & Roll-Off Service Inc., Thunder Valley Community Development Corp. and other local organizations started working to collect and haul waste leftover at the site to a Bismarck, N.D., landfill by using machinery like loaders, dump trucks, an excavator, skid-steers and roll-off trucks.
Now, a month later, the North Dakota Department of Emergency Services has announced that the cleanup of the site cost $1 million and 24,000 tons of trash was removed from the site.
You need to get educated and get those feelings off of your shoulder because you are completely unaware at the miles of pipeline that run through the United States !
Let me help you out with what you do not know Lefty and you have a disconnect on using the internet because you are scared of information !
The United States has the largest network of energy pipelines in the world, with more than 2.4 million miles of pipe. The network of crude oil pipelines in the U.S. is extensive. There are approximately 72,000 miles of crude oil lines in the U.S. that connect regional markets.
Yes, but those hosings and tear gassings don't count because it wasn't Trump. Understand? That's how Lib ball is played. Our goals count. Your goals don't count. Clear as mud?