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 Jesus is one with the Father (8)

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Jesus is one with the Father

Jesus is not the heavenly Father. Yet He is one with Him. He is God. (Isaiah 9:6) Through Christ, the whole world and universe were created. On the sixth day of creation week, God said to His Son Jesus, "Let us make man in our image." Jesus is one with God, yet also being His Son.

After man fell into sin, the plan of salvation was devised. Scripture tells us, that "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son." John 3:16. Jesus was to become a human being on earth, to bear the sins of the the world upon His shoulders and die on the cross. He was to be tempted like us since He was to be human like us. Jesus died for us, so that through faith and obedience in God, we shall be brought back to Him. It was not easy for Christ to do this. Whilst upon the cross bearing the sins of the world, Christ experienced seperation from God. He could no longer see God's divine countenounce. This pierced Christ's heart so much, that His physical pain was hardly felt, which cannot be fully understood by man.

Christ shouted out upon the cross before He died, "My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me?". And once Christ died, one of the soldiers took a spear and pierced His side, in which blood and water flowed forth. It was not the spear thrust that killed Christ, but as the water and the blood declared. He died of a broken heart.

 

Here are some verses speaking of Jesus, showing that Jesus is one with God.

Revelation 1:6

"And hath made us kings and priests unto God (Jesus) and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

Acts 7:59

"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said unto him (Jesus), My Lord and my God."

John 1:1,14

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Matthew 1:23

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son (Jesus), and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Isaiah 9:6

"For unto us a child (Jesus) is born, unto us a son (Jesus) is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

John 8:57-58

"Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

Exodus 3:14

"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 

 I do understand that we won't at this time fully understand the idea of the Heavenly trio. I doubt that we should even expect to understand everything about God 100%. But we can be certain that John 1, Colossians 1, tells us that Jesus created all things, and was with God in the beginning.  We can be in no doubt that God said to His Son on the sixth day of creation week, "Let us make man in our image". Genesis 1:26.

God Bless

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1) english is my first language i just prefere to speak french most of the time

2) Yes Jesus said that but u no i dont think dat Jesus would go around talking to himself so he did believe in the Father

3) U still cant piss me off by saying stuff take what i say on the chin its my beliefe respect that ok

4) some of your arguments have no back up therefrore suxs

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He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost/Spirit. He is also my personal savior.

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Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because the bible said so.

Side: Invalid argument
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This is an excellent way of putting it...what surprises me about these fundamentalists is that they genuinely believe that stating verses of the bible is an effective method for convincing us! WE DONT SUBSCRIBE TO THE AUTHORITY OF YOUR OLD BOOK - stop trying to get us to read it...it means nothing to us!

Side: Invalid argument

I read it.

And reading it makes it mean even less.

There is one good part though...when God says he's going to wipe shit all over people's faces...lol

Oh wait, there's also the part where we find out that bats are birds, that rabbits chew cud, that insects have 4 legs, that water fowl have 4 feet, that God murders the entire population of the earth, says it ok to beat slaves to death, commands that babies be butchered in front of their mothers, that pregnant women be ripped open, tells bastards they're not allowed to go to church, puts down the disabled, commands that women who are raped marry the rapist...the hits just keep on coming.

This is the good book??

It's good for wiping your ass with in an emergency I guess.

Side: Invalid argument

Funny, even Jesus didn't believe in God while he was on the cross, yet supposedly we're expected to.

Jesus can be nailed to a cross a billion times and he'll never be able to pay for his own crimes, let alone anyone else's.

Don't worry about trying to understand this 3 gods or 1 god nonsense, what you should work on understanding is why your intellect has failed you to the point that you worship a bloodthirsty baby killing lunatic with a worse track record than Adolf Hitler.

Side: Invalid argument
yellowfishyb(58) Disputed
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woooo where may i ask in the real bible does it say that jesus didnt believe in god never never never does it say that you may interprett it as that but i have been thouroughly studying the bible for at least 7 years now and does not mention this at all ever. So he isnt one with the father it also never says this either it may imply but never say the thing with the bible is that you must figure out what it means for yourself.

Side: Invalid argument