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FM, I agree with you buddy. He appears to be frightened of it, which suggests that he has been highly indoctrinated into right wing conspiracy theories and misinformation.
That said, he's still an incredibly smart guy. Jordan Peterson is one of the few right wingers I can listen to without wanting to inform them of the fact of their own stupidity.
Jordan Peterson is not particularly intelligent, nor informed about the topics he speaks about. The main advantage he brings to the table is that the vast majority of humanity, objectively, severely lacks basic cognitive skills as well as personal confidence in their own abilities, due to reasons FM & I have discussed elsewhere. Consider, people of IQ less than 120 are functionally illiterate--which is 90% of humanity. Given that, it is not difficult to see how many can be decieved by an ambitious, somewhat cunning charlatan.
I would recommend you Jordanetics, if interested in the topic.
The main advantage he brings to the table is that the vast majority of humanity, objectively, severely lacks basic cognitive skills as well as personal confidence in their own abilities
I repeat, Jordan Peterson is a senior professor of psychology at a top Canadian university. The main advantage he brings to the table is that he has at his command a wealth of knowledge about human psychology.
Stop talking. You're a complete, unadulterated fucking moron.
MathFan, I guarantee you with an extremely high degree of certainty that Jordan Peterson has an IQ at least 40 points higher than your own. Just because you are a chronic narcissist who mistakenly believes himself to be a genius, does not mean Jordan Peterson is "not particularly intelligent". He is a senior professor of psychology at a top Canadian university you unfathomably stupid, narcissistic packet of twats.
If Jordan Peterson is "not particularly intelligent" then by the same scale of measurement you are a candidate for the most stupid person who has ever lived.
Jordan Peterson is roughly a 2/10 in intelligence (1/10 being average). When I judge a person's intelligence I am not simply referring to intelligence in the classical sense, but basically every intellectual capacity someone could have including creativity, wisdom, knowledge on particular subjects etc. One out of two of the points goes to him for understanding psychology on an academic level and the other is for his ability to form arguments and analyse. I would guess his IQ is barely above average and most of his intellectual abilities lie beyond what IQ tests are designed to detect. Mathfan on the other hand seems to be a relatively high IQ person but lacking in other ways. One thing I've noticed is that he is not good at spotting alt accounts or telling when he is being trolled. His intelligence seems to be very technical and he is not very good at social "mindfuck" games or things such as manipulation. He is more of a math and science guy and I would estimate his general intellect at around 4/10 (twice as high as Peterson). Mingiwuwu is actually on the same level as Peterson, he gets one point for being cunning in a manipulative sort of way and another for strategical and probabilistic analysis. Other than that though he is mostly a nut case and very unsane.
Jordan Peterson is roughly a 2/10 in intelligence (1/10 being average). When I judge a person's intelligence I am not simply referring to intelligence in the classical sense, but basically every intellectual capacity someone could have including creativity, wisdom, knowledge on particular subjects etc.
So you are giving Jordan Peterson a 2/10 despite the fact that he is a senior professor of psychology at Toronto University?
FM, I think MathFan might be leading you into opinions like this deliberately because they are stupid and will see you mocked by every academic in existence, including the Marxists.
I disagree with almost everything Peterson says. That doesn't mean he's unintelligent. It just means we have different opinions on stuff.
So you are giving Jordan Peterson a 2/10 despite the fact that he is a senior professor of psychology at Toronto University?
I know a guy who has a doctorates in biology. He's a young earth creationist. The day I met him was the day I realized that academic success is not about being smart enough, it's about telling the right people what they want to hear. Being a professor doesn't actually require you to understand anything, it just requires you to memorize and repeat things. That's why he gets 1 point for memorizing information and another for applying it the way he has. If he was really smart he might know about things other than what he went to school for, and he would apply what he went to school for in a much more intelligent way than fear mongering about cultural marxism (which is based on a literal Nazi conspiracy theory called cultural bolshevism).
FM, I think MathFan might be leading you into opinions like this deliberately because they are stupid and will see you mocked by every academic in existence, including the Marxists.
Don't worry, Mathfan didn't lead me to that conclusion. I just don't see a doctorates degree as a clear sign of intelligence in and of itself and find many things that Peterson says to be reprehensibly retarded. Much like Mingiwuwu he is smart in certain ways but absolutely insane in his general worldview. What do you think about his carnivore diet thing?
FM, I think MathFan might be leading you into opinions like this deliberately...
Patronizing your allies, it is a bold strategy.
Evidently, it is lost on you that the overwhelming majority of people who stay the formal route, in anything, are the inferior minded sheep while the gifted are lone wolves (or small pack of wolves) that disengage from the hierarchy in order to have full autonomy of thought (as well as other benefits). I can go into quite a bit more detail about this if need be, though it is clear FM already understands the point--as it is also apparent it will remain lost on you no matter how thoroughly exposed.
Also, do note, FM was far too humble individually & far too generous with you in a previous thread/comment--his IQ is most definitely superior to yours.
I gave FM a warning that you are a heinously dishonest piece of shit who cannot be trusted. That is what friends do for each other. They look after each other's backs.
Evidently, it is lost on you that the overwhelming majority of people who stay the formal route, in anything, are the inferior minded sheep while the gifted are lone wolves
Ahahaha! It is evidently lost on you that you do not qualify yourself as intelligent merely by rejecting the intelligence of others. That is a mental disorder called narcissism. I've explained it to you before, but of course you never listen to anything except the sound of your own voice, which is fairly ironic given that it evidences the point.
that disengage from the hierarchy in order to have full autonomy of thought
If you are trying to convince me that you have "disengaged from the hierarchy" then you are not doing a very good job.
I can go into quite a bit more detail about this if need be, though it is clear FM already understands the point
You only prove my point by trying to drive a wedge between FM and I, and I am personally confident that he has enough intelligence to realise what you are trying to do.
Also, do note, FM was far too humble
As opposed to yourself, who is a raging narcissistic moron with at best an average IQ.
Jordan Peterson is roughly a 2/10 in intelligence (1/10 being average).
I generally agree, though would put him at a 3/10
When I judge a person's intelligence I am not simply referring to intelligence in the classical sense, but basically every intellectual capacity someone could have including creativity, wisdom, knowledge on particular subjects etc.
Good. Personally, the metric I use first looks at 2 staples, and then works to 'branch' & 'twig' areas thereafter. (1) Everyone is born into this life with their own personal 'chessboard'. How sensibly have they played that game? (2) Whether there is evidence of high level of success in areas that they apply themselves in. That is, are they good at what they do when they really try? After (1) & (2), I will analyze other areas, some of which you discussed in your response.
One out of two of the points goes to him for understanding psychology on an academic level
He does not--in fact, this is the first thing I noticed about him upon introduction. There are many examples that could be given to demonstrate this, though perhaps the most significant (and blatantly false) is his position on the matter of Ashkenazi Jew IQ. Peterson claimed the average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 115, which, if true, would necessitate for all other Jews on the planet (i.e. non-Ashkenazi) average IQ to be less than 85. See, Israel is 75% Jewish, from which 47.5% are Ashkenazi, making up 36% of the total population. Now, the reported Israeli IQ is 95, and the average reported Jordanian IQ of 84 standing for Arab Israelis, then an Ashkenazi average IQ of 115 would necessarily imply that all other Jews on Earth have an average IQ of 84--lower than African American, and a standard deviation below European whites. Does that sound correct to you? Or, rather, does it sound like a superficial thinker stating common, erroneous talking points without bothering to look into the matter personally, and is also statistically illiterate as he does not possess the requisite learning, nor Left-Brain strength, to interpret what he is looking at (the collective data points)?
the other is for his ability to form arguments and analyse.
This he has above average ability in, yes. Though, that is precisely why it would be intellectually honest to describe himself as a Philosopher pushing his own views/philosophy, rather than claim the authority of science, unwarranted. A person who demonstrates a severe lack of integrity on even one matter puts all other of his work into question.
One thing I've noticed is that he is not good at spotting alt accounts or telling when he is being trolled. His intelligence seems to be very technical and he is not very good at social "mindfuck" games or things such as manipulation.
This is a fair criticism, as I tend be naive in this regard--it leaves me particularly vulnerable to Gamma personality types (i.e. manipulative masterminds & deceivers who often pose as Betas or Deltas for leverage).
You seem to be entirely unaware of how unreasonable a claim that is. By necessity, you must then take the position that JP's IQ is a standard deviation or so above Einsteins--and, simultaneously, there is zero evidence he would be able to do even Undergrad Phys. or Maths (hence why he insists upon stating Psychotherapy is a "science" and does bizarre, concentrated, premeditated hand motions when explaining a "complex" (i.e. incredibly simple/obvious) idea).
You have managed to demonstrate, once again, your utter inability to comprehend the skills & abilities attached to specific IQ brackets.
I would direct you to a previous thread of mine on the topic for further details.
You seem to be entirely unaware of how unreasonable a claim that is.
I was being more than reasonable. Jordan Peterson himself has claimed publicly to have an IQ of above 150, which is quite believable based only on his considerably strong verbal command of English, independent of his academic qualifications. Hence, I was exceedingly generous in assuming you have an IQ ten points above average. In reality, I genuinely doubt this is the case.
For somebody who calls themselves MathFan, you don't appear to have a very strong understanding of maths, do you?
That said, he's still an incredibly smart guy. Jordan Peterson is one of the few right wingers I can listen to without wanting to inform them of the fact of their own stupidity.
What do you think is the likelihood that he's some type of shill paid to spread anti-leftist propaganda and that he is actually a neo-fascist?
What do you think is the likelihood that he's some type of shill paid to spread anti-leftist propaganda and that he is actually a neo-fascist?
It's certainly a possibility, and I'm aware plenty of people have accused him of being a shill, but I think it's ultimately more likely that he's grown up in an ultra-Conservative environment. In fact, even the opposite could be true. Perhaps both his parents (or maybe his university tutors) were Marxists and his contemporary views are some kind of backlash or belated form of rebellion. This is essentially what happened with Mussolini.
In fact, I decided to have a quick look at his bio on Wikipedia as I write this and it appears the latter possibility could indeed be what happened.
Hello Communist are you not aware of who you are ????????????
Marx·ism
the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory and practice of communism.
Can the Commie deal with the truth ??????????? Come on you Fucking Little Gurl Troll that has been castrated by your Commie Ideals what you got to say !!!!!!!!
Now we all know Troll Farm NOM is a Dummy but let's see if the Dummy can defend his position on what he does not know !!!! Fool i'm gonna have some fun with your Fucking Dumb Ass !
Marx·ism
the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory and practice of communism.
Your a Communist you Fucking Dumb Ass !!!!!!! How can it be made any simpler to your Idiot Brain ??????
BEIJING (Reuters) - The decision of China’s ruling Communist Party to stick with the political theories of Karl Marx remains “totally correct”, President Xi Jinping said ahead of the 200th anniversary of the German philosopher’s birth on Saturday.
Hello there Dummy !!!! Communism is tied to your hero Karl Marx ??????? You DONE you Flaming Fucking Communist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your New Name is Commie NOM and your dumb ass through your ignorance has proven it !!!!!! Go gone and speak there you Commie and continue to show how Fucking Stupid you really are !!!!!!!!!
I don't understand it either.. Oh, I understand the sharing of everything.. I just don't understand how you PAY for everything.
If this is actually true then your brain has evidently been warped to the extent that it can't detach itself from capitalist ideas.
You don't have to pay for things which are yours anyway. Mic drop.
The resources owned by society are already owned by society. When you are forced to pay for them to make someone else (who claims to own them all himself) rich and powerful then that is called theft.
What makes you think there will always be a need to "pay" for things? In the real world things cost resources, not money.
Hello again, D:
Ok, we're getting somewhere... WHAT is a resource? Land? Nah, that's TOO capitalistic.. It must be a commodity of some sort.. Corn, perhaps, or gold.. Nahh, those are too capitalistic too.. Is a resource LABOR? How much is that worth? I'm thinking attaching worth to labor is too capitalistic, as well..
So, how much is a resource worth if it's "worth" anything??? Who DECIDES how much it's worth? How do you GET some of these resources, and if you DO get some, can you trade 'em for a house, cause, you know, it's cold outside.. And, how do you know if the guy who built your house wants your resource in trade for it? Or is trade too capitalistic too?
Finally, WHY were there Rubles in the USSR, and how did you get them?? Look... I'd LIKE to understand.. It can't be that complicated.