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Holy Smurf But Mein Hitler
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Just Like Hitler, Trump Is Trying To Gag The Free Press

The Obama administration reportedly rejected the option of a criminal charge against Assange under the Espionage Act, in recognition of the danger to press freedom. Mr Trump and Attorney General William Barr have now crossed that Rubicon.

This also comes at a particularly precarious time for journalists around the world. Reporters are being arrested and killed in increasing numbers. Some countries like China and Russia have even taken up the Trump trope of "fake news" to crack down on the press. Most vividly, Saudi Arabia's crown prince is accused of ordering the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi - yet has suffered few consequences from the Trump administration.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48393512

Holy Smurf

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But Mein Hitler

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I agree that Trump is wrong to do this. I'm curious though, what happened to the establishment narrative that Assange is a Russian agent?

Side: Holy Smurf
BurritoLunch(6566) Clarified
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I agree that Trump is wrong to do this. I'm curious though, what happened to the establishment narrative that Assange is a Russian agent?

Assange was a man with a whistleblowing website and a massive grudge against Hillary Clinton. I am not aware of any "establishment narrative" that Assange is a Russian agent, or indeed who you are even referring to by "the establishment", if not the Trump Administration. Who exactly claimed Assange was a Russian agent?

Side: Holy Smurf
Strange(52) Disputed
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From your article:

However, the danger did not begin with President Trump. The Obama administration used this law to conduct surveillance on mainstream journalists, including a well-regarded Fox News reporter.

Side: But Mein Hitler
WinstonC(1225) Clarified
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I am not aware of any "establishment narrative" that Assange is a Russian agent

Google the words "Russia" and "Wikileaks" and you will find a cornucopia of articles, here are the first 4 results (1,2,3,4).

or indeed who you are even referring to by "the establishment"

You are well aware of Chomsky's propaganda model of the press.

Sources:

(1) https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/18/wikileaks-russias-useful-idiot-its-agent-influence/

(2) https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/wikileaks-trump-mueller-roger-stone-jerome-corsi/576940/

(3) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-did-wikileaks-become-associated-with-russia/

(4) https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/01/25/the-wikileaks-russia-connection/

Side: Holy Smurf

No, he's not. The press is free to make up news all day long and into the night as well. He will do nothing but point that out. That is not gagging, it's freedom of speech he's exercising.

Side: Holy Smurf
MasterYoda(224) Disputed
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That is not gagging, it's freedom of speech he's exercising.

You brain dead fucking anus licker, he is trying to put people in jail for speaking out against him. That is not an exercise in free speech, but an attack against the speech of others. You are a worthless fucking rodent, you are the real life version of Wormtail from Harry Potter, you are a ball licking cuck who is willing to distort reality to defend your lord and saviour Trump.

Side: But Mein Hitler
Strange(52) Disputed
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he is trying to put people in jail for speaking out against him.

The link doesn't mention this, so provide a link where Trump is trying to jail journalists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48393512

Side: Holy Smurf
Strange(52) Disputed
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you are a ball licking cuck who is willing to distort reality to defend your lord and saviour Trump

I'm guessing you have no link showing Trump attempting to jail journalists, and I'm guessing you aren't interested in Obama doing worse.

Side: Holy Smurf
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I think Assange spoke out more against Hilldebeaste than Trump, you turd blossom. But, I know reality and you aren't fast friends and seldom cross paths with each other.

Side: Holy Smurf
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Most vividly, Saudi Arabia's crown prince is accused of ordering the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi - yet has suffered few consequences from the Trump administration.

Trump isn't the leader of Saudi Arabia. It wouldn't make sense for him to give them consequences.

Side: But Mein Hitler
MasterYoda(224) Disputed
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Trump isn't the leader of Saudi Arabia. It wouldn't make sense for him to give them consequences.

Trump and the US government in general is in bed with one of the most vile regimes on earth and all you have is sniveling excuses because you're a cock gobbling crack whore.

Side: Holy Smurf
Strange(52) Disputed
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Trump and the US government in general is in bed with one of the most vile regimes on earth

Trump isn't in bed with Iran or Pakistan. The left is.

Side: But Mein Hitler
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Mr Trump and Attorney General William Barr have now crossed that Rubicon.

So no examples.

Side: But Mein Hitler
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This also comes at a particularly precarious time for journalists around the world. Reporters are being arrested and killed in increasing numbers. Some countries like China and Russia

Communists controlling state run media. No way.

Side: But Mein Hitler
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From the article:

The Trump administration has now crossed the line that many counselled it to avoid - and may have triggered the most important press freedom case in the US in 300 years.

Past US Presidents put journalists in prison for dissent.

https://thefederalist.com/2017/01/24/sorry-journalists-trump-isnt-first-president-threaten-press/

Side: But Mein Hitler