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Debate Score:65
Arguments:37
Total Votes:67
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Justify God Flooding the Whole World

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If you support the side on the left then you must say that when God flooded the world it was something completely morally justifiable. 

 

If you support the side on the right, then you must say that it was not justifiable to kill everyone apart from Noah, some animals, and Noah's family.  

 

Feel free to cast your own views on the subject. 

 

God Flooded the World

Please do not say that God did not exist and use that as your argument, this is all assuming that he existed. 

 

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That was okay

Side Score: 17
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That was not okay

Side Score: 48
3 points

Genesis 6:11-13

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh,[a] for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

The earth was completely corrupt and evil... committing all sorts of violent things... regardless of whether they thought what they did was evil or not, God found it to be evil.... He destroyed them just as the evil are destroyed in Hell.

What kind of just judge does not punish evil?

If anything, it would be hard to justify not having the great flood.

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for its evilness so will every wicked being according to the will of the Lord.

Side: That was okay
4 points

Your perspective is all wrong. God flooding the Earth is not akin to a Judge punishing evil, it's closer to a carpenter loosing his cool and smashing a table he just made to bits because the legs were a little uneven.

Side: That was not okay
lolzors93(3225) Clarified
1 point

Noah and his family were the ones who represent that table that had its legs a little uneven. You forgot the other countless tables with disproportionate sides, legs completely uneven, and termite infested wood with mold on their bottoms.

You start over! But instead of starting completely over, you use Noah for a new beginning but destroy the other filthy tables.

Side: That was okay
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
3 points

But if Humans have no free will then why did God make them wicked?

Side: That was not okay
3 points

Romans 9:19-24

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

Side: That was not okay
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
2 points

Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence

So every living thing was violent in God's eyes?

And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt,

Was he surprised or upset by this?

And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh,[a] for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Why not just magic them changed?

The earth was completely corrupt and evil... committing all sorts of violent things... regardless of whether they thought what they did was evil or not

But isn't everything part of God's plan.

God found it to be evil...

How did he not see this coming?

He destroyed them just as the evil are destroyed in Hell.

Including all of the innocents.

What kind of just judge does not punish evil?

A judge upholds law, God does not, he wills all into and out of existence, toys with his puppets for amusement. A judge under a system of laws protects the rights of the innocent.

If anything, it would be hard to justify not having the great flood.

Honestly? Have you even thought about how horrible a way to go that drowning is? Why did this happen in the first place, a perfect designer/planner can create an imperfect plan/design, so how exactly was the actions of the men on that planet not what they were designed to do?

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for its evilness so will every wicked being according to the will of the Lord.

I love this logic, a city is leveled for being hedonistic, but it was OK for Lot to through his daughters to a mob of men that wished to bugger his house guest.

“Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof,” (Gen. 19:8).

Side: That was not okay
lolzors93(3225) Clarified
1 point

Some people have gathered that every living creature of flesh was corrupt along with man.

Genesis 6:12

And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

Genesis 6:19

And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female.

God was upset by this just as He is upset with all unrighteousness and bitterness.

Who are you to question God's will?

Yes, everything is apart of God's will but that does not mean He does not hate unrighteousness. He is patient with evil so that those who are His people may grow steadily and be transformed into His likeness.

2 Corinthians 3:18

18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,[a] are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Romans 9:19-23

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

He knew this would happen.

No one is innocent.

Romans 3:23

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

He has created laws and they are embedded in the hearts of man. He punishes the wicked and rewards the righteous.

Romans 2:14-15

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

Any death is horrible but to say that drowning is worse is incorrect. You lose conscience before and pain hits you. The only thing that is bad about it is that people fear it intensely and freak out causing themselves more pain that it would actually do. (This is at least what my teacher told me Dr. N. Love)

He has allowed Satan to enter the hearts of man so that His will for the good of those whom He loves (Romans 8:28) may be done. He has mercy on whom He has mercy on and He hardens whomever He hardens (Romans 9:15)

Lot threw his daughters to the crowd because the mob wanted to sleep with the men who were actually angels and of holy descent. He was protecting the workers of the Lord.

If you have any more questions please ask! :)

Side: That was okay

It was no big deal. It's like when your kids misbehave and you let them have it with the water hose ;)

Side: That was okay
Hellno(17753) Clarified
5 points

Joe, please tell me you aren't water boarding your kids?

Side: That was okay
2 points

Everyone has to take a leak at one point. I guess God couldn't hold it any longer. No big deal, it's natural.

Side: That was okay
Dremorius(861) Clarified
1 point

Would this kind of action be considered omnibenevolent?

Side: That was okay
1 point

I guess pissing on everyone would not be exactly benevolent. That also means he's not omniscient, as he didn't see that coming - the need to create a toilet for himself.

Side: That was okay
1 point

I'm going to argue as if I were theist....

God makes and allows bodies to die all the time, but never kills a spirit. God isn't bothered as much as we are by dead bodies, because he knows that they are only vessels for spirits which do just fine without bodies.

Side: That was okay

God made sure that everyone who ought to be protected was protected so floods and calamities of all sorts are OK.

Side: That was okay
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
1 point

God made sure that everyone who ought to be protected was protected

He only saved one family. What happened to the millions of children and mentally retarded? Who protected them?

so floods and calamities of all sorts are OK.

Says you, until you're swept away in one, and drown violently.

Side: That was not okay
1 point

He only saved one family.

How did you learn that?

What happened to the millions of children and mentally retarded?

God decided that he could help them better if their spirits weren't with their bodies anymore.

Who protected them?

The Lord God Almighty. Praise Be!

Says you, until you're swept away in one, and drown violently.

God is nice to folks and gives them a sense of peace and helps them realize that what seems like the end, really isn't the end. May God Bless you!

Side: That was okay
1 point

Life is a privilege. It is not a right. This is the first mistake people make when they presume to judge God.

Any privilege can (and should) be revoked by the one who provides the privilege if that privilege is used to the harm another. Our society jails a man if he steals, rapes or kills. That person has lost the privilege of walking around freely because they have abused that privilege - and it is the right thing to do. The "suffering" of that criminal losing their freedom and happiness is irrelevant compared to the need of good people to be protected . In addition, there is some measure of justice that is required because the criminal has violated another individual who did not deserve it. The incredible part of the flood story is God waiting hundreds of years for mankind to change before taking away the privilege of life these people were using to harm and violate one another.

Side: That was okay
0 points

I thought that it was okay that God flooded the whole earth because people had corrupted mind and they were wicked and the only righteous person was Noah and his family.

Side: That was okay
Firnen Disputed
3 points

Only a truly wicked being would kill women and children by drowning them.

Side: That was not okay
1 point

What no other Christains to argue this?

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Side: That was not okay
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
1 point

We've discussed this before and you still haven't answered me, are you ignoring a basic fact in order to keep your faith?

Side: That was not okay
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

We did discuss this before? I don't ever discussing this with you at all.

Side: That was okay
6 points

There's no justifying it. God knows everything, right? Then he knew he would be displeased with his creation. All those people suffered because planned on making them suffer. There's no way around it.

Side: That was not okay
law97(18) Disputed
1 point

But God gave people the power to chose what they do and he kept up hope for humanity until there could be no more waiting.

Side: That was okay
ryuukyuzo(641) Disputed
2 points

Are you trying to say that God did not know that he would have to flood the Earth?

That means God is not omniscient.

Side: That was not okay
5 points

You can't...

Side: That was not okay

It was not OK and I think God has some anger management issues ; )

Side: That was not okay
3 points

I've argued this point several times on here, ignoring the absolute impossibility that one coffin-dodger could hand-make a wooden boat with the dimensions to house two (at minimum) of every land and sky dwelling creature and enough food and fresh water to last them a year, let alone Noah and his family, just how he managed to maintain their health and stop the predators from eating their prey.

Even if God could somehow be disappointed with his people, surely the existing children, the mentally retarded and the billions of land and sky dwelling animals left behind, didn't deserve such a horrible end, add to this all the sea creatures that got displaced,creating an environment about ten times the size of their original oceans, rendering finding prey nearly impossible, all of the deep sea creatures and bottom dwellers that wouldn't survive the massive increase in pressure, all the river dwelling creatures that wouldn't be able to survive in those brackish waters, and every living plant life-form that wouldn't be able to survive a year under that much water

Why could God not just will them to change?

Seems down-right sadistic if you ask me.

On a similar note, and just a personal thought if the world was filled to the top of every mountain with water, all of the gasses in our atmosphere would be pushed to the top creating a toxic mix of O2, O3, Methane, CO, CO2 not to mention the nitrogen and sulphur compounds and heavy metals that would piss out of volcanoes, and the volatility of electrical storms at that altitude, nobody would be able to live in that, let alone the fact that the water would all move about rapidly due to the moons gravitational influence with this super ocean not limited by land.

Side: That was not okay
2 points

Well, where is now now? I could use a little rain! Geesh God! Throw me a bone, will ya?

Side: That was not okay
2 points

The dude is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing. ...And he chose to drown everyone and everything?

Side: That was not okay