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Debate Score:92
Arguments:83
Total Votes:122
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KIM DAVIS

NY Times Tags Kim Davis As a Republican, Blames 'Editing Error' 
At the New York Times, a Thursday report by Alan Blinder and Tamar Lewin, with assistance credited to two others, originally identified Rowan County clerk Kim Davis, the center of national attention who has been jailed over her refusal to issue marriage licenses containing her name to homosexual couples, as a Republican. (The press has been mighty quiet about acknowledging that Ms. Davis would be okay with licenses being issued as long as they do not contain her name.) Obviously, the "editors" must have thought, she has to be a Republican to be such a stubborn dinosaur. Problem is, she's a Democrat and was elected as a Democrat, facts that that have been widely known — including (not kidding) by the Times itself on September 1, in a write up which Blinder co-authored, and in Rowan County election records available online since last November. The Times has added the following "correction" at the conclusion of the pair's report: Correction: September 3, 2015
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article misstated Kim Davis’s political affiliation. She is a Democrat, not a Republican. 

LMMFAO ! Leftist don't mind putting THEIR own in jail for their 1st Amendment Right !

Media Lies - Yes

Side Score: 59
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Media Lies - No

Side Score: 33
5 points

Misrepresentation is not unique to liberal media, nor is Davis' political party particularly relevant despite its inclusion for discussion in the papers. Far more significant are her views and practices, which a court has held as standing in violation of the law (just as with any other criminal trial). Davis did not only refuse to sign the licenses but did so under the belief (possibly correct) that without her signature the licenses would not be valid, and she also discouraged or even actively ordered that none of her subordinates could sign them either.

I sincerely doubt that those who defend Davis' actions would be equally supportive of a conservative Muslim man refusing to issue drivers' licenses to women in the name of his religious conscious, yet the scenario would be identical. This is quite simply another instance of an unfounded Christian persecution complex.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

Since the Kentucky Constitution defines marriage as one man and one woman, and the US Supreme Court has legislated that abusers of their bodies with the same gendered partner must be granted legal marriage against the Constitution of Kentucky, Individual states no longer have to issue marriage licenses at all. The Supreme Court has legislated a new definition of marriage and cannot force states to issue marriage licenses....or can they? They can simply imprison anybody who will not issue the licenses and who will not abandon the job they were elected to do.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

Since the Kentucky Constitution defines marriage as one man and one woman, and the US Supreme Court has legislated that abusers of their bodies with the same gendered partner must be granted legal marriage against the Constitution of Kentucky, Individual states no longer have to issue marriage licenses at all. The Supreme Court has legislated a new definition of marriage and cannot force states to issue marriage licenses....or can they? They can simply imprison anybody who will not issue the licenses and who will not abandon the job they were elected to do.

Christians can live their lives in prison or shut up and do what they are told. It's the American way.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

Christians can live their lives in prison or shut up and do what they are told. It's the American way.

Now they are like everybody else.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

Aww, you cowardly downvoted me because you have no argument to present. So sad. You are fine with religious freedom for Christians, but not for other religions. Which part of the first amendment is your least favorite? I only ask because you clearly hate the first amendment.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

The cowardly silent downvoting only proves your aren't a true Christian.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

She must either deny her convictions and condone perversion, or she must quit her job, or she must be imprisoned at least until the time of her elected office expires and she must be re-elected and kept in jail or lose the election and then she can be released from jail and keep her convictions after she is removed from office. She can run her campaign from her jail cell and try to get re-elected, and if she wins re-election then she can stay in jail...maybe until she rots and dies. We will force her to act and think right or put her away. That's the American way.

Side: Media Lies - No
Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

Not permitting someone to deny legal services, the provision of which is incumbent to their legal office, is not the same as forcing someone to alter their personal beliefs. Our rights end where the rights of others begin, and in this case Davis' religious freedom does not extend to denying the rights to others.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the Kentucky Constitution violates the Federal Constitution which has legal preference. The Federal Constitution is not against the Kentucky Constitution, but the reverse. While individual districts and states can opt not to provide any marriage licenses at all rather than issue them to same-sex couples, that is not the decision which was made in the relevant jurisdiction wherein Davis holds her office.

When you violate Constitutional law and fail to uphold the legal obligations of your public position you absolutely can be punished for it, just as with any other activity deemed criminal under the law. Davis was not elected to violate the Constitutional rights of her constituents, but is instead legally obligated to uphold those rights which she has expressly refused to do.

I reiterate, would you be as upset by a Muslim man denying driving licenses to women under the same rationale?

Side: Media Lies - Yes
0 points

Nobody is going to force her to think any way, and she is only being forced to do her job. If she doesn't want to do that job, she doesn't have to. If she refuses to do her job and abide by the law, then she will be punished.

That is, indeed, the American way.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

Sure the Obama Media Group lies but the Leftist fail to see it because they believe in all the lies fed to them !

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

Almost all media outlets lie in some fashion. That isn't new, at all.

Side: Media Lies - No

The NY Times is not infallible, therefore, prone to human error. It was embarrassing to list Kim Davis as a Republican.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Kim Davis is a Demorat and elected as one was she not ? But you Leftist love to feed your own to the Lions ! ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: Media Lies - No
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

So, you agree that the left is the better ideology. It is obviously better to look past someone's political ideology when determining if they did something wrong.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
0 points

Yes, she is a Democratic, so what?

The Left doesn't have much of an issue criticizing Democratics, and why should they?

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

This isn't the first time a southern Democrat went against the general policies and feelings of REAL Democrats. I'm sure that, after the generous hugs and tears of Huckabee and Cruz, her party affiliation will change. That is one vote Democrats will not miss.

Side: Media Lies - Yes

The liberal media is notorious for half-truths, omission of facts and outright lies and this is just another example of that fact by the leader in lieology, the NYT.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

Media is notorious of that, regardless of political ideology.

I could go on and on with proof that right-wing media does the same thing.

So the obvious question is: What motivates you to ignore the same foibles on "your side" (so to speak)?

Side: Media Lies - Yes
HighFalutin(3402) Clarified
1 point

This story is about the NYT et. al. omitting a few very important facts, not about conservative outlets.

Side: Media Lies - Yes
2 points

Poor Fromwithin this must mess with your mentality so much.

Side: Media Lies - No
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
2 points

LMMFAO ! You Leftist will devour your own and it shows does it not ?

Side: Media Lies - Yes
1 point

So do you believe that if someone in the Republican party does something wrong, Republicans shouldn't criticize them?

Side: Media Lies - No