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Xander's is Better Kinda's is Better
Debate Score:9
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Kinda and Xander's Versions of Sexism/Rascism

I'm sure that everyone has noticed the crazy sexism debates going around.

Kinda and I have been having an extended debate over what qualifies as sexism. I (Xander) think that, though people are inherently different, differences between groups are greater than those between groups. Kinda is more for a traditional view with women being more useful in the household (I'm probably butchering his argument and will change this ASAP).

My argument, by the way, is a wall-post that ended up being too long.

So, who do you agree with? Or, better yet, what's your version?

Xander's is Better

Side Score: 5
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Kinda's is Better

Side Score: 4
2 points

I'm not really one to embrace traditional gender roles, though I'm seriously for two-parent, stable families. I have friends of different genders and races, and we don't have to "set aside" differences either- it's just not the focus. Any of my friends is first their personality, far before they're male or female or black or white or Christian or otherwise. It mostly just doesn't matter.

That being said, I agree with you that people are inherently different, and that some of that breakup is by sex, ethnic/racial group, or cultural factors. However, I think that there is more variation within groups than between them. Think of height, or weight- many women are smaller than many men, but a fair number of women are taller or larger than some men.

Similarly, many women are better group workers than men, and many men are more independent than women. The distinction that I make is fairly simple; some men work in groups more effectively than some women, and some women are more independent than some men. If we're talking about intelligence, it gets even edgier, but the principle is still the same- the differences within the groups are far greater than those between. Saying that all women are less intelligent than all men is ridiculous; saying that all women are best placed in the home (or that all British are terrible people) is like saying that ALL men are taller than ALL women- it's obviously not true.

A lot of the reason that this matter to me is because as an attractive female (rather than a dowdy, intelligent "looking" female), I'm usually assumed to be fairly passive and unintelligent. I'm really fairly aggressive, not a good team player, and REALLY smart. This sounds arrogant, but it's true; I consistently test into around the ninety-eight or ninety-ninth percentile of any standardized test or IQ test, and it's EXTREMELY irritating to have to prove my competence to any and every guy who comes along. This is sort of a touchy subject for me.

Side: Xander's is Better
paradox(208) Disputed
1 point

This is bloodsucking embarrassing! This honorable debate site is for useful features and you make t a personal argument! and that too about sexism/racisms!

Man i tell you all about the moronic ideas of sexism:

See all that a man thinks is that he wanna fuck a girl hard and wide and make her feel happy about!

And a girl thinks of attracting men towards herself and get her holes filled!

& you fucker xander, your icon itself shows that you just had a sex and you are resting!

kinda and xander, you guys know that and still organize a debate and waste our time: you are morons and fuckers who fuck online here!

well, i'm not a gay to fall for you!

Side: BOth of you suck
xander(438) Disputed
1 point

Please read the information at the top, love. This was a conversation between me and Kinda that ended up being too long-winded for the conversation box on profiles. If you're offended by my use of the site, then you don't have to respond. You're wasting your own time. The joy of this site is that you only have to respond to what you like- and if you think that responding is stupid, then DON'T RESPOND. This was the easiest way for me to continue a conversation, and I thought that others might like to contribute. I didn't invite you, though, and you could have ignored it if you wanted to.

Side: Xander's is Better
1 point

Would've been better in a convo but ok...

Firstly don't take my statements as BLANKET statements. It doesn't mean ALL men are smarter than ALL women. Any idiot knows that. It means men IN GENERAL are smarter than women IN GENERAL. In the same way that Usain Bolt is faster than Asafa Powell, doesn't mean in every single race he's been faster.

However when I say more intelligent, I mean simply through IQ. But both men and women have their strengths and weaknesses. Men are more direct, logical, physical, independent etc. whereas women are the opposite. They have their positives and negatives about them... and so it is difficult to measure their intelligence because most of the time it's tangible.

When you look at personality.. I include their physical characteristics as my overall 'judgement'. Example - My friend is funny, smart AND black AND tall AND christian AND male. To me it ALL counts. I don't choose parts of him.. everything about him counts as a person.. not just his personality. It makes a difference though. Being black or muslim or white or chinese makes a difference to what I say to them and how i treat them, but doesn't matter whether or not I like them.

And just so you know I never said all Brits are terrible.. but British people have done terrible deeds in the past.

:D. Funny how we're so similar. Except I try not to tell people this online cause anybody could say anything and there's no proof. But if you see most of them in real life, they're probably drooling out the side of their mouth.

My main point is - I feel there's a downward spiral in todays society. Many don't agree. They haven't grown up in it so they shouldn't even include their opinions. I see all this bullcrap around me. The most evident changes are with kids. Today's kids are a completely different breed than the last generation (or more, depends). It may not be a DIRECT result of these things, but as these things grow or become more popular, societies problem's increase. It correlates i.e. as women are 'given more power' then kids tend to be bigger dicks. The 2 main causes of this is capitalism and freedom.

I'm not going to get into an argument over this cause that's not what it's about

The way society worked was men used have a job and women would take care of the house. However after the industrial revolution and advances in science and technology women have had to do less chores around the house i.e. washing clothes - washing machine, cleaning the house - hoovers etc... the point is women have more time to spare. It was slowly after the World War things changed. Women were practically running the house while men were out in war. When they got back the women wanted to continue. You can say they've earnt the right to work or that they were being selfish and wanted to do what they wanted. Either way I don't have a problem with them having a job. Where I live it's essential for 2 incomes to keep above the red line. BUT this means the countries have developed a more feminie attitude towards things, which means the children are raised in an environment which their parents weren't.

I'll tkae a time out. I've written all of this in one go and so a lot of shit probably doesn't come out right.. btu what the hell.

Side: Kinda's is Better