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 Let's say right and wrong do not exist. What is justice? (14)

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Let's say right and wrong do not exist. What is justice?

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Justice is only as real as right and wrong.

Considering that right and wrong are subjective, so is Justice.

So justice, really, comes down to what MOST people find it to be.

However, if we can form a basis, we could rationally make up justice.

Still, defending that basis becomes a problem if many others reject it.

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Can justice exist without the concept of right and wrong?

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Justice cannot exist without the concept of right and wrong.

But a concept, "right and wrong" remains.

There can be no justice then. If there is no right or wrong, we have no morality. And there is no justice without morality. The entire concept is based on humans moral values and duties judging what is right and what is wrong.

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Let's say right and wrong do not exist. Justice would be that which is natural.

Because in all honesty, right and wrong do not exist. What you may see as right, to me could be wrong and vice-versa.

We only know of right and wrong because we have the actual knowledge to see that. Without the knowledge, we would just be ''beasts''. No one in this world would ever fault some kind of beast for killing and eating another beast because that's what beasts do for survival. The problem comes when a human kills another human. Where's the justice in that though? Aren't we mammals just like any other beast?

It's true, with knowledge we have gained other means of survival different from that of a beast. But just like any habitat, ours will diminish with over population. Honestly humans are over-grazing the world, quickly depleting its resources and soon people will have to die in order to save the earth. If things where the way nature intended them to be, there would be no problem, thus justice.

But man has opposed mother nature since our first existance. Mother nature lives in its own life cycle, it knows how to take care of itself, we're the problem.

Justice is that which is natural, we are not, therefor as long as we are not, man shall never know true justice.

pancake(143) Disputed
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Justice is that which is natural

Huh. Don't think I could ever see justice as being an issue of "natural." Seems off-the-wall, to me. I can honestly say I've never looked at organic beef and said to myself:

"....JUSTICE."

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AdolEssence(60) Disputed
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Can you read?

I said, and I quote, ''Justice is that which is natural, we are not, therefor as long as we are not, man shall never know true justice.''

Of course you'll never see something and say justice, you're human. Everything you see has been effected by mankind, no justice in that.

I didn't say that justice was nature (Organic beef? What the fudge were you thinking?), only that justice is NATURAL.

Definition of natural...

An adjective...

Natural :Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

Can you please read that again...

Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

I hope you can see what I'm saying now...

Justice exists in and is caused by nature. It is also not made or caused by mankind, and because mankind has just about populated and effected this entire planet, there is little or no justice left in the world.

Try again sir...

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Consider this: We always do what we think is right.

Agree or disagree?

Let's say you think smoking is wrong for you, you wouldn't smoke then would you?

Or say, you think murder is wrong, you wouldn't kill someone would you?

Now, if you don't ever do anything that is wrong in YOUR eyes, then how can wrong exist?

AdolEssence(60) Disputed
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First of all, you get no consideration.

We do not always do what we think is right, hence the reason such things as regrets exist. Sometimes we can't control ourselves, like when a man cheats on his wife. Not because he planned it, but because a woman seduced him and his hormones took over. Regrets...

And even if we always did what we thought was right, wrong would still exist. Just because you don't ever do anything that is wrong in YOUR eyes doesn't mean wrong doesn't exist because even though you don't do what you think is wrong, you'll still see it all the time.

Let's say you think smoking is wrong for you, you wouldn't smoke...correct...but you would see someone smoking and think to yourself, "That's wrong..."

Or say, you think murder is wrong, you wouldn't kill someone...correct...but you would still turn on the news or read in the newspaper or just hear of someone's murder and think to yourself, "That's wrong..."

As long as someone in the world can acknowledge something, that something exists.

AryaOne(217) Disputed
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We do not always do what we think is right, hence the reason such things as regrets exist.

Note that regrets come in later after action. When in action you NEVER think you are doing something wrong. We never do anything that is wrong! Think more deeply. Whatever you do, is right in YOUR EYES and that's why you do it.

Just because you don't ever do anything that is wrong in YOUR eyes doesn't mean wrong doesn't exist because even though you don't do what you think is wrong, you'll still see it all the time.

Give me an example of one 'wrong'. If you say 'murder' then I'd say, you do see men around murdering other people, don't you? That's 'right' in their eyes. Hence, it's not wrong.

Let's say you think smoking is wrong for you, you wouldn't smoke...correct...but you would see someone smoking and think to yourself, "That's wrong..."

A person X saw a person Y smoking and says it's wrong. Fair enough. But for the person Y it's not wrong, that's why he is smoking !

As long as someone in the world can acknowledge something, that something exists

The problem is, there's absolutely NOTHING in this world which is considered right or wrong by EVERYONE.

There could not be any justice without a system of right and wrong.