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Yes, there is an excuse No, there isn't an excuse
Debate Score:90
Arguments:73
Total Votes:104
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Leviticus 20:9 "'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death."

If God had his way, we would be mass murdering children. I mean, who hasn't slipped a little cuss word of rebellion in their youthful years? And if your family had decided to murder one of your siblings for swearing, who wouldn't swear at their parents as they grab a knife and murder him/her in God's name, to then have you murdered next?

Is there any excuse for this verse, because certainly no omnibenevolent being should even think about this law.

And a swear word for a life is not justice.

 

Yes, there is an excuse

Side Score: 47
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No, there isn't an excuse

Side Score: 43
1 point

First of all I haven't slipped a swear at all in my youth years. In fact I haven't swore at all in my life. So I haven't slipped a swear word at my parents and I wouldn't swear since Christian don't really swear, and the Bible says you shouldn't swear.

Some of those laws that are written down were men and not God. Also God wouldn't tell you to kill your parents. Back then all you had to do is worship God first, obey the Ten Commandments, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
Apollo(1606) Disputed
4 points

Christian don't really swear

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!!!

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
Srom(12201) Clarified
1 point

Its true I don't see Christians swearing. Plus I don't swear at all. Plus I don't see how what I said was so funny. This is serious stuff man.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
1 point

I was about to post something similar, but you beat me to it! ;)

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
Dremorius(861) Disputed
3 points

First of all I haven't slipped a swear at all in my youth years. In fact I haven't swore at all in my life. So I haven't slipped a swear word at my parents and I wouldn't swear since Christian don't really swear, and the Bible says you shouldn't swear.

Whether it be lies, or whether you are some kind of cyborg, you'd best remember that a majority of children- through almost decades of growing up- must of at least slipped a widdle biddy cuss word at their parents, at least once.

As I've said before, if God had his way, all of these innocent little children would've been stabbed or stoned. No child deserves that pain.

A cuss for a child's life should not be invented from an omnibenevolent mind.

Some of those laws that are written down were men and not God.

XDDDDD!!!!! WTF????

It was all written by man.

Also God wouldn't tell you to kill your parents.

Since when were the death of their parents involved?

It was about murdering the children.

And yes, God had just said that you can kill your children for a petty vocalization.

Back then all you had to do is worship God first

'Feed his Ego.

and love your neighbor as yourself.

What if your neighbors were a gay couple?

That's 10% of the population out of the mark.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
The Phantom(453) Disputed
1 point

Whether it be lies, or whether you are some kind of cyborg, you'd best remember that a majority of children- through almost decades of growing up- must of at least slipped a widdle biddy cuss word at their parents, at least once.

But he was saying that he hasn't sworn before.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
Pito(27) Disputed
2 points

Where does any biblical text support the view that men wrote some verses and God others without obvious inconsistency? Nowhere but in the mind of the Christian living in the modern era and reaping the benefits of vastly superior amounts of knowledge, such as science and a conception of human rights, which in turn gave rise to a more civilized morality. This Christian has created a new Bible.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
Srom(12201) Clarified
1 point

Whoever keeps downvoting me keep doing it because you will lose your points.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
2 points

Wasn't me, just to be clear. It was Dremorius. I'll up vote you to make up for it.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse

The excuse is that God probably does not exist. There you go.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
1 point

Give me a break guys, mass murder??? Come on, it's called the old and new covenants although it's probably still not great to curse your parents

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
Dremorius(861) Clarified
1 point

Give me a break guys

What do you mean?

mass murder???

Yes, mass murder.

Don't you know how many kids slip a cuss word to their parents? Well, all off them deserve to die (in God's omnibenevolent mind,) so that equals to more than mass murder- it equals to almost genocide.

It's weird how people say God is infinitely good.

...Is killing children for swearing an infinitely good thing to do?

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
Elliott(30) Disputed
2 points

Look at the structure of the sentence does it make sense if the word curse is replaced with cuss or swear. It is obviously talking about real curses like voodoo and witchcraft. Now maybe the death penalty for use of black magic is a little extreme, but honestly how many kids accidently curse their parents in the original sense of the word. If the verse does in fact refer to curse words then it is grammatically incorrect.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse

Leviticus verses are dangerous and should be excised from the Bible.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
5 points

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

-Leviticus 19:28

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Yet I have seen countless Christians with tattoos.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
2 points

If I wrote a book detailing the laws and customs of Western North America, would it still be valid after five-thousand years have passed? This was a rulebook for five-thousand years past, when women who were raped died of starvation as widows at best and were cooked to death in giant frying pans at worst. The bible is a book, not a person who is able to change with the times.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
Dremorius(861) Disputed
2 points

And the bible was written by a timeless being, who's morals wouldn't of changed through time like a fallible human being.

God is perfect after all, and omnibenevolent.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
FreeWill(120) Disputed
1 point

God does not change, but human culture does. No matter how perfect or immortal I am, all the rules I write for one culture cannot be applied to another. Even so, God shows his wisdom by commanding us not to murdernor steal, to live thy neighbor, which are truly timeless rules. You have to remember that this rule is found along side others like "do not shave" or "do not boil a goat in its mother's milk." Odd and unecessary today, but of great relevence back then.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
FreeWill(120) Clarified
1 point

I sincerly apologize, this arguement is meant to be on the other side.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse

There is no excuse for anything that is in the Bible, because it was written for a reason. The reason for these words and many others, is clearly not to be taken literally. They are to make a point, period. Honor your father and mother.

If you're not smart enough to understand the Bible, don't read it.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
Dremorius(861) Disputed
2 points

Any reason for a perfect God to write this?

Any reason to add the slight detail of murder?

Any reason why people misunderstood it, and ended up stoning their children to death?

Any reason at all?

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
1 point

A downvote? Really?

Side: Yes, there is an excuse
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
0 points

God didn't write the Bible.

Words don't kill, people do.

The reason why people misunderstand the Bible is clearly not the fault of it, but only the fault of those reading it. The Catholic Church intentional didn't want stupid people reading it for this reason. They only wanted the educated to read it. It wasn't until the 1500's that the Bible was widely translated into a text that more people could read. Do to the fact that people like you don't understand what's written, it probably should never have been translated so that every one could read its' words.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
1 point

Is that just a hebrew law from old times, or a bibical precident?

Side: No, there isn't an excuse

I think that is in the old testament, but this isn't even an action, so how can someone be put to death when his action wasn't even physical.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
1 point

I know right?

It's funny how an "Omnibenevolent" God has laws that are more immoral than the laws we have now- and we humans aren't even omnibenevolent!

Side: No, there isn't an excuse

I am not a christian, I am a Muslim and proud. It's not all Gods that are immoral. but bad mouthing your parents is way far off. And in the old testament you get killed for touching Sinai I think.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
1 point

Leviticus 20:13, If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, they have done what is detestable. They shall be put to death, their blood is on their heads.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
1 point

what the verse means is that if you curse (wish they would die or not be successful in life) your parents you shall be put to death.

Side: No, there isn't an excuse
rmcgrath(131) Clarified
1 point

one of the ten commandments is "thou shall honour thy mother and thy father". which means you shall wish them to have a long life on the earth.

Side: Yes, there is an excuse