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Liberalism is Naziism

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Liberalism is Naziism

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Liberalism is not Naziism

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3 points

You are correct. Liberalism supports the holocaust of even viable babies as did the nazi's support the holocaust of Jews.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Except the Nazis were directly responsible for the holocaust. Republicans go out of their way to make sure that unwanted pregnancies definitely will happen. That directly leads to abortions. The Republicans are the Nazis of abortion.

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
1 point

No, that's the democrats. Democrats are pro choice. Do you even pay attention to Donald trump?

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outlaw60(15253) Disputed
1 point

Now SouthPark how can any party be responsible for unwanted pregnancies ? What a stretch you have made ! Any numbers to backup such a false claim ?

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
1 point

Notice, the German Nazi soldiers would wear Muslim attire and fascinate over it. Just like? the hijab wearing liberals at the women's march........

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
Narwhal(56) Clarified
1 point

At a certain point, you need to think about "effective" responsibility. Conservative attempts to defund Planned Parenthood and limit access to birth control have consistently increased abortions in the areas in question, while Liberal attempts to increase funding for these types of services and increase sexual education proliferation have decreased abortions in the areas in question.

Rhetoric doesn't translate into results, so when the Right says they hate abortion, but cause abortions to increase, while the Left says they don't care about (or at least don't actively seek to outlaw) abortion, but cause abortions to decrease, then you might want to think about why that is, and who you should really be blaming.

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
1 point

The left side also is where red is on the color spectrum. Your argument needs evidence, not a spectrum.

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FromWithin(7578) Disputed
1 point

It's such a waste of time debating Liberals. You ALL speak like clones of each other.

If you had an honnest bone in your body, you would admit the GOP is trying to take the funding from Planned parenthood (because of their controversial abortion clinics), and give it to OTHER WOMEN'S ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO NOT PROVIDE ABORTIONS BUT DO PROVIDE BIRTH CONTROL AND OTHER WOMEN'S HEALTH NEEDS.

You are a deceptive joke like every single Liberal I debate.

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
1 point

Abortion is being used to abort more black babies than actual baby births.

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
1 point

In that case, why does the majority of the Jewish population of the US support the Democratic party.

...even though I don't agree with the Democratic party.

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FromWithin(7578) Disputed
1 point

The Jewish population that vote Democrat are living safe and sound here in America, but there were fewer Jewish votes for Hillary than for other Democrat Presidential candidates.

It's shameful they care so little for Isreal when voting for Democrats. I guarantee you the majority of Israelies do not support the Democrat Party.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/opinion/israels-problem-with-the-democratic-party.html?_r=0

http://lidblog.com/democratic-party-israel-support-plunge/

Side: Liberalism is Naziism

Liberalism is Orwellian Doublethink gone mad.

HATE RELIGION

ALLY WITH ISLAM, THE MOST DOGMATIC, EXTREME RELIGION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH

THE NAZIS ALLIED WITH ISLAM DURING WWII

LIBERALISM = ANTI ISRAEL

NAZIISM = ANTI JEW

LIBERALISM = DECLARE WAR WITH CHRISTIANS

NAZIISM = FOUGHT CHRISTIANS

LIBERALISM = INDOCTRINATE AND BRAINWASH COLLEGE STUDENTS

NAZIISM = BRAINWASHED THE HITLER YOUTH

LIBERALISM = MONOPOLY ON MEDIA AND PROPAGANDA

NAZIISM = USED VAST PROPAGANDA TO SPIN ITS VERSION OF REALITY

FOUND OUT THROUGH WIKILEAKS THAT THE DNC WANTED TO INFILTRATE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH MOLES TO "REFORM IT" FROM THE INSIDE.

*THE NAZIS USED "NAZI PRIESTS" INFILTRATED INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO CONTROL WHAT WAS SAID FROM THE PULPIT.

https://www.facebook.com/Brontoraptor-In-the-House-1199309380149998/

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
4 points

Wow. The supreme irony in spewing propaganda while claiming the other side has the monopoly on propaganda is awesome.

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
2 points

The left does have a"monopoly on propaganda".

1)The media is over 90% liberal.

2)Per Wikileaks, we have seen the DNC openly admit that they spread propaganda.

3)My debate will not reach millions of people, nor is it meant to.

4)A debate is not propaganda because it gives the other side an open forum to oppose it.

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
2 points

What? Are you saying that you agree? Because you said it was "awesome".

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outlaw60(15253) Disputed
1 point

Propaganda is spewed from the Progressive Leftist ! Can't deny that SouthPark but go ahead and try !

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Narwhal(56) Disputed
3 points

HATE RELIGION

Most of the left is religious.

ALLY WITH ISLAM, THE MOST DOGMATIC, EXTREME RELIGION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH

There is no "Left-wing" alliance with Islam.

THE NAZIS ALLIED WITH ISLAM DURING WWII

No, they didn't.

LIBERALISM = ANTI ISRAEL

No aspect of Liberalism is anti-Israel, and Jewish Americans are more often Liberal.

NAZIISM = ANTI JEW

That's the first one you've got right :P

LIBERALISM = DECLARE WAR WITH CHRISTIANS

Most Liberals are Christians, and the Nazi's never declared war on Christians.

NAZIISM = FOUGHT CHRISTIANS

The overwhelming majority of Nazi's were Christians. Of course that wasn't an inherent part of Nazi identity, but still.

LIBERALISM = INDOCTRINATE AND BRAINWASH COLLEGE STUDENTS

That's really not happening. The fact that globally, educating correlates with more left-wing ideologies isn't brainwashing.

LIBERALISM = MONOPOLY ON MEDIA AND PROPAGANDA

You know that the most popular cable news program in the United States is conservative "propaganda", right?

FOUND OUT THROUGH WIKILEAKS THAT THE DNC WANTED TO INFILTRATE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH MOLES TO "REFORM IT" FROM THE INSIDE.

Care to cite the email where you found out about this supposed conspiracy?

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
1 point

Care to create your own argument? Or will you just copy his work and deface it?

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1 point

he did site the e-mail. through wiki links. so, can we all agree that this guy is retarded

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1 point

I wouldn't say "most of the left is religious". Being a "cultural Christian" is not the same as actually believing and following Christ. We also know most Atheists and Muslims are Democrats.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/52796-are-you-a-biblical-christian-or-a- cultural-christian

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1 point

Fox News? vs....... an army of liberal main stream media news outlets? Nice false equivalency.

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1 point

The Nazis didn't ally with Muslims during WWII? Um.... yes they did. This is basic WWII history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13thWaffenMountainDivisionoftheSSHandschar(1st_Croatian))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjk34r7OSkM&t;=10s

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
1 point

---There is no "Left-wing" alliance with Islam?---

You must have missed the hijab fitting and the Call of the Azan by white liberals during the Women's March. And the organizer of the Women's March, Linda Sarsour... is openly a Muslim.

Keith Ellison, the up and coming DNC leader is... openly a Muslim.

Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton's "right hand woman" is.... openly a Muslim.

Linda Sarsour, the Women's March organizer is... openly a Muslim.

Sadiq Khan, the Liberal mayor of London, England is... openly a Muslim.

John Brennan, the CIA Director under Obama, was accused of being Muslim. He doesn't admit or deny the claim, and even Snopes, the liberal hack, says this on its site.

Barack Hussein Obama, 44th President of the U.S., was raised in Indonesia (the largest Muslim nation), took Islamic Studies in school as a child, and quotes the Quran from memory in speeches. (Taqiyya, Muruna) At best he is a Cultural Muslim. At worst he is practicing Taqiyya and Muruna.

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
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---Most Liberals are Christians, and the Nazi's never declared war on Christians.---

Hitler demonized Christians in his speeches and fought against nations that were 90%+ Christian. He also infiltrated the Catholic Church with "Nazi Priests" to "reform the church to the Nazi worldview", something the DNC openly spoke about in their hacked emails.

Most liberal "Christians" describe themselves in a way that falls under what is called "Cultural Christianity", which basically means they like Jesus' teachings and were raised around Christians, but as for Jesus being infallable or the "Son of God", they are "unsure", "don't know", or "don't believe it".

Evangelical Christians of the Right, believe Jesus is the Son of God, is infallable, and apply his words as "gospel truth". The application of his teaching by the Right is what causes those on the Left to oppose Evangelicals and hate them.

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1 point

You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?[4]

I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A n* with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.[5]

Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.[6]

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science... The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret — all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! ...Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline.!

-Adolf Hitler

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/QuotationsonIslamfromNotableNon-Muslims#AdolfHitler

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
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---LIBERALISM = INDOCTRINATE AND BRAINWASH COLLEGE STUDENTS

That's really not happening. The fact that globally, educating correlates with more left-wing ideologies isn't brainwashing.---

Your second sentence proves your first sentence incorrect.

Educating used to correlate to right wing ideologies. Yes, pushing a worldview to the youth is brainwashing, whether that view is correct or incorrect. Notice, the new Liberalism is quick to tell you about the Liberal version of morality and "who we are", despite secularism having nothing beyond evolution to dictate any sense of objective morality. Liberalism has become a cult.

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---FOUND OUT THROUGH WIKILEAKS THAT THE DNC WANTED TO INFILTRATE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH MOLES TO "REFORM IT" FROM THE INSIDE.

Care to cite the email where you found out about this supposed conspiracy?---

http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-campaign-plots-revolution-in-catholic-church

https://wikileaks.org/

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/28/if-clinton-campaign-believes-wikileaks-emails-are-forged-why-dont-they-prove-it/

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
outlaw60(15253) Disputed
1 point

"ALLY WITH ISLAM, THE MOST DOGMATIC, EXTREME RELIGION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH

There is no "Left-wing" alliance with Islam."

You really believe the nonsense you spew ?

Side: Liberalism is Naziism

FACT- The Nazis were cozy with Islam, and Hitler said cozy things about it, respecting the conquest aspect of the religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RelationsbetweenNaziGermanyandtheArabworld

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/QuotationsonIslamfromNotableNon-Muslims#AdolfHitler

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DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
1 point

Somewhat true. You have to remember though that Hitler had enemies closer to home and he needed the Middle Eastern nations to help him, otherwise the UK and France would have control over all of Africa and the Middle East.

Africa was the stepping stone to Italy.

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Narwhal(56) Disputed
2 points

None of those prove your actual point. They just prove that the Left, unlike the Right, aren't taking an actively antagonistic stance against a religious minority. In the case of some, such as Hillary, it's for political expediency and foreign policy purposes (hard to keep Arab allies as allies if you go around calling Islam evil).

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
1 point

What's with your spectrum? What kind of person does a spectrum anyway? Hillary wanted america to be more historic during her time. The same could be said for Hitler.

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1 point

You take a stance against the same religions as Hitler did. He fought Christians. He allied with Islam. He fought Jews.

The left demonizes Christians, allies with Islam, and is anti-Israel.

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Narwhal(56) Disputed
1 point

Are you under the impression that any criticism of Israel is essentially anti-semetic?

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
1 point

Well, most is. Your spectrum can't deny that. By the way, where did you get this spectrum? Post a link.

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
1 point

When you ally politically with the religion commanded to slaughter them in the Quran, yes.

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NicolasCage(506) Disputed
1 point

Anti-Israel is not antisemitism.

People would criticise the Israeli government whether they were Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, etc... It has nothing to do with antisemitism. They have extremely poor human rights records and there is intense institutional racism with the country.

Considering Nazis and neo-Nazis are very far-right, it makes no sense to deflect and call liberals antisemites (especially since, like another poster pointed out, the vast majority of Jews are left wing or left-leaning).

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
1 point

It is if you are "anti Israel" and your greatest ally is openly antisemitic and has 1.7 billion adherents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamandantisemitism

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
1 point

Oh? Then what the is.... I say, I say, I say, what's wrong with you boy.... I say, I say, I say....

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DevinSeay(1120) Clarified
1 point

Even though I agree with you in a way, Israel isn't without sin as a nation. And Israel could always find other allies closer to them. Russia would love the opportunity as they have shown recently.

Side: Liberalism is Naziism
3 points

Objectively incorrect.

The definition of liberalism:

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Whereas classical liberalism emphasises the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.

You'll notice the word "equality" pops up quite a bit in that definition.

The Nazis treated the Jews as subhuman. They did not grant them equality. If Liberalism was Nazism and Hitler was a liberal, there would have been no holocaust and no WW2.

You'll also notice in the definition:

freedom of the press

freedom of religion

civil rights

international cooperation

Hitler was against freedom of the press.

Hitler was against freedom of the Jewish religion.

Hitler actively persecuted an entire group of people, breaching their civil rights.

Hitler was aggressive in his expansion, and refused to cooperate with the rest of Europe, leading to war.

In conclusion, Nazism and Liberalism are extremely different and certainly not the same, and you are an idiot. Delete your account.

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
2 points

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Whereas classical liberalism emphasises the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.

So the Democratic Party, which supports Islam and the burka is not liberal per your own given definition.

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NicolasCage(506) Disputed
1 point

I am not American, and so am not a supporter of the Democratic Party nor do I know a great deal about their general beliefs and policies.

However, you seem to be running on the idea that supporting liberalism (or the Democratic Party) and supporting the practice of Islam are incompatible. This, however, is blatantly false, as you can probably deduce from the definition of liberalism I gave you; "freedom of religion" is specifically stated as an idea of liberalism.

One can support the freedom to practice a religion without agreeing with the religion itself. Being LGBT myself, I obviously disagree with the doctrines of Christianity/Catholicism/Islam/Judaism/etc in regards to their bigoted beliefs about myself and others like me, however that does not mean I do not support a Christian's/Catholic's/Muslim's/Jew's right to hold that view and practice their religion.

That's what it means to be liberal. To be tolerant, despite the differing views of people. Many modern liberals have forgotten this, and decide to belittle and berate individuals for having the "wrong" opinion.

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1 point

Very well said. American conservatives are so into making the word "liberal" into 4 letters that they allow their imaginations to go into a fantasy mode. The weirdest is when they accuse liberals of being what THEY obviously ARE. It's okay for them, but terrible for U.S.!

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I have a question.. Seeing that liberals toss around evolution like a mantra, then why the hell would we not see a liberal alliance with Islam simply as a weak survival trait that overlooks the greatest survival instinct? Which is fear... And that liberals are simply the part of the species that is too stupid to survive, thus must be over-ridden by those of us with common instinct survival instincts.... ya know... the whole "kill all unbelievers" thing in the Quran....and ISIS must have manifested 50,000 soldiers in a week because? they just playin...

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You'll notice the word "equality" pops up quite a bit in that definition.

And yet "equality" would not be a word anyone with a brainstem would use to describe what liberals want conservatives to have...

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NicolasCage(506) Disputed
1 point

And yet "equality" would not be a word anyone with a brainstem would use to describe what liberals want conservatives to have...

What? Are you implying that liberals want to strip conservatives of their rights/enslave them? That's preposterous.

I've had the displeasure of looking at comments on some hard conservative sights. I've even seen similar things on Facebook; the "alt-right" calling liberalism a "mental disease" and that liberals/anyone left wing should be rounded up and shot. I don't say that's what all conservatives want, though, do I?

I'm a liberal. I believe conservatives should have equality. There. Your "argument" is officially irrelevant.

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Objectively incorrect.

The definition of liberalism:

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Whereas classical liberalism emphasises the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.

Which would make us all warm and fuzzy if liberals actually still supported all of that as a group. If you want to see a group that opposes free speech today, you'll have to look left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq86Beh3T70&t;=14s

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Liberalism is, of course, not Naziism. Naziism is a subset of Fascism, which exists on the far-right end of the political spectrum (note that is not me comparing it to other right wing ideologies, that's just a fact of political science).

Side: Liberalism is not Naziism
1 point

Liberalism is also on the far right end of the political spectrum.

Your point?

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Narwhal(56) Disputed
1 point

What? No it isn't. American Liberalism is Center Left, while Classical Liberalism is solidly Center.

Neither of them are "Far Right", or "Right" at all.

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Amarel(5000) Disputed
1 point

You may find difficulty in using "left" and "right" terminology. The supposed spectrum started as an accident of history in France and the terms have since become so flexible that they can be argued to fit whatever happens to be ones political purpose. The Nazi's were Nationalist Socialist after all. You can argue that nationalism is right, socialism is left, so Nazis must be political centrists. The spectrum is almost useless.

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Narwhal(56) Disputed
1 point

They called themselves National Socialists to appeal to the lower classes but we're not actual Socialists in practice or ideology. That is why they are considered solidly right wing

And the spectrum is by no means useless within the field of Political science. I agree that it has no use if you are discussing it with people who are unfamiliar with it (or the more accurate double axis spectrum), or if your are talking to people who don't know very much about political ideologies.

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1 point

Real liberalism isn't fascism at all. Some of the Progressives today could be considered fascist though.

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1 point

Yeah. Liberalism is all about economic strength through military expansion and reclaiming the fatherland.

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Atrag(5445) Clarified
1 point

Nope. I meant 4th century China.

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1 point

You meant Islam.

http://www.islam101.com/images/MuslimDistributionmap.jpg

Petting and snuggling a group that's beliefs fall in line with the real Nazis would be?

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1 point

Or territorial world expansion by social control such as media monopolies, takeovers of academia, and monopolies onHollywood.

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You fools! Liberals are not Nazis, they are Communists! They are equally evil, but enemies.

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