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Liberals are crusaders for Gay marriage rights, but a Baby's right to life? Pure silence!
Have you ever wondered why Liberals claim to be so compassionate & caring for other's rights but when it comes to our most innocent vulnerable unborn Babies, they have complete disregard. It has nothing to do with life of mother or extreme cases because the GOP supports those exceptions. This is all about an ideology of thought police who will judge you as some woman hater if you dare oppose abortions on demand at any stage. All while they support ending the lives of millions of our most innocent. The Democrat party supports even late term abortions for any reason. Compassionate party? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I guess the burden of an unwanted Baby justify's it's end.
Are you perhaps a fool? That is the mentality of Liberals & pro choice losers. By calling an unborn baby a medical name, that somehow excuses killing it. Unbelievable!
Wait a minute, I think i will call Jewish people some medical name & that will excuse the holocaust. Get some semblance of humanity.
I am perhaps a person who thinks that language should be used correctly, and that intentionally misusing it to play on people's emotions and automatically vilify them if they disagree with you is a sign that you don't have enough confidence in your case to discuss it as it is.
So is using non sequiter arguments that have little if anything to do with the topic at hand.
As it turns out, I do have a scientific name for people of jewish decent: homo sapiens. This fact is what makes the holocaust so horrible.
Like I said, A FOOL! That unborn BABY is every bit a living human being as you & any Jewish person and it takes a fool to try and justify killing them with semantics.
I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm trying to point out that your argument is composed entirely of emotional appeal, misused langua and insults. And you call me the fool.
I am personally pro-life, as in I would not want a child of mine to be aborted. I also would not want a daughter of mine to be forced by the government to have a baby she is not ready for. This is one of the most personal decisions a person can make. Not a government. I thought you were a freedom lover.
Government is ALL about protecting innocent life case you missed it. Why is your life any more precious than that little Baby's life. Do you have a clue how pathetically brainwashed you have become. I guess this is how German's were talked into killing Jews. If people like you can actually swallow the logic that Government should not protect every innocent life than you are truly dead inside. They could teach easily manipulated subjects like yourself to believe anything. Even believe that the gun kills people, not the person holding the gun. They could teach you that we must all be forced to pay for others abortions. They could teach you that Homosexuality is normal & we should change our marriage laws to include Gays. Did they teach you that cops killing Black criminals are racist? Did they teach you that spanking our children is bad? Did they teach you that expressing our religious freedoms in public is bad? Did they teach you it is bad to kill animals but an unborn Baby is not worth saving? Think just once in your life at what Liberal Democrats have filled your mind with. They taught you it is ok to pretend to be personally pro life while fighting for other's rights to kill their Babies. INSANITY!
It has nothing to do with life of mother or extreme cases because the GOP supports those exceptions.
Apparently you do not understand the GOP's opinion either - there are very many elected Republicans who do not support those exceptions. Many also support an amendment to the Constitution which would go even further and ban some forms of contraception. Republicans like Rick Santorum believe that Griswold vs. Connecticut was decided wrongly - the Supreme Court ruled in that case that the state could not ban a married couple from purchasing contraception altogether.
Many people just feel that it should not be a decision made by the government. You seem to dislike government when it is inconvenient for you yet want government to impose your beliefs the rest of the time.
- Should the government investigate every miscarriage?
- If a doctor recommends a C-section and you opt for natural child birth, should you be charged with murder in the case of a stillbirth? (based on a a somewhat similar case)
- Does consumption of abortifacients like coffee, soda, soft cheese, salmon, unpasteurized milk, pâté, homemade ice cream, steak tartar, sushi, oysters, crab, pomegranate, etc. constitute manslaughter?
There is not enough proof either of wanton disregard by pregnant women (less than 1% of pregnancies are terminated after 16 weeks and that includes wanted pregnancies which become untenable), or sufficient capability of government to positively intervene (banning abortions does not prevent them) for me to believe a law against abortion would be beneficial.
You are dong exactly what the Democrat party always does. You try to paint the entire GOP party by the actions of a few. WHO CARES if there are few Republicans who want stricter laws concerning issues, the GOP never supports those stricter measures! Tell me the last law passed by a GOP congress that prevented any abortions other than Partial birth infanticide.. TELL ME ONE! Tell me any law passed by the GOP that would deny life of mother exceptions for any abortion, late term or not. Texas wanted to prevent on demand abortions for any reason after 20 weeks (EXCEPT IN CASES OF LIFE OF MOTHER OR OTHER EXTREME CASES) and what did the Democrats do? They attacked it s always.
Quit wasting our time with such garbage scare tactics. You are laughable when you lie & distort the facts to make yourself out to be right.
You try to paint the entire GOP party by the actions of a few.
Awesome, a very nice clear-cut example of projection - please re-read your post and then re-read mine.
Who tried to say what "the GOP supports" (wrongly as I point out next), and who specifically narrowed it to "very many elected Republicans"
the GOP never supports those stricter measures!
Every Republican Party platform since 1976 has supported the Constitutional Amendment I mentioned which would ban abortion even in cases of rape or incest and would ban some forms of birth-control.
I'll let my friend Rachel provide some info on the subject (the first 5 and a half minutes are context)
Here are some of the recent (as of 2012) candidates she points to that do not support exceptions for rape/incest - do any of these names sound familiar?
Paul Ryan
Newt Gingrich
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
Ron Paul
Rand Paul
Mike Huckabee
Sarah Palin
Sharon Engel
Christine O'Donnell
Joe Miller
Ken Buck
Texas wanted to prevent on demand abortions
and, as I have already mentioned, they specifically wanted to shutdown clinics that perform abortions and the bill has resulted in 80% of clinics in Texas closing.
Several other Republican led states have passed similar measures; six Republican states have only one clinic left (and there are still legislative attempts to close even those six)
Tell me the last law passed by a GOP congress that prevented any abortions other than Partial birth
Closing clinics, mandatory wait times, forced ultrasounds, etc. are not aimed at limiting partial birth abortion - they are attempts at preventing all abortions.
Quit wasting our time
If you have a little of that time left, maybe you can address the latter half of my post which related to the actual enforcement of abortion laws by the government.
Do you like wasting your time writing absolute rhetoric from the left? TELL ME ONE LAW THE GOP HAS PASSED IN THIS GENERATION that takes away your freedoms or forces you to buy Obamacare, or forces you to pay for other's abortions, or forces you to cater things that go against your faith, etc. etc.
Maybe you want to go back to the civil war when Democrats wanted to keep slavery legal. I guess that makes Democrats racists today?
What do I get from you? Gay marriage laws that never existed and it is the Democrats trying to FORCE ALL STATES TO ACCEPT IT! Are you against polygamy? Under your insane logic that makes you a person who has made laws preventing men from having 20 wives.
The GOP is not trying to force any of those issues you are talking about. It is your side trying to take God off our money. YOU ARE THE CONTROL FREAKS! Now you know why I do not respond to pure rhetoric.
Banning contraceptives. LOLOLOLOL
Don't waste your time writing any more hogwash, I will not respond to it.
Well, wasn't DOMA something the GOP put into place? That not only "takes away your freedoms", it goes against others' faith in some cases.
You can't generalize one party and say they're all like that. I know some of some conservatives that I tolerate. Some I could even call friends. But there are some that make me want to hug trees, hand out welfare and marry gay couples my damn self! One of which would be you, congratulations (:
Democrats are the "control freaks" you say? But the GOP doesn't try to control restrictions on marriage laws, or what a woman can or cannot do with her body? We're the control freaks. Okay, gotcha.
Maybe you should stop with your "hogwash". It's about as productive as preventing abortion and promoting the death penalty. Because there's a HUGE difference, right? Because they're not both God's children. LOLOLOLOL. Oooookay.
Democrats wanted to keep slavery legal. I guess that makes Democrats racists today?
Conservative southerners wanted to keep slavery legal - in the past they called themselves Democrats, today they call themselves Republicans; and yes many of them are racist. refref
forces you to buy Obamacare
As I have already mentioned, the individual mandate was initially a conservative idea. In fact, Republicans were still in favor of the individual mandate in mid 2009 refref
Gay marriage laws that never existed
As maddiering99 already mentioned there is DOMA at the federal level (of the 81 people that voted against it, only 1 was a Republican).
Moreover, dozens of states passed laws specifically banning gay marriage ref - largely being overturned by courts.
Are you against polygamy?
No. I might not practice it myself (1 woman is generally enough, if not too much, for me), but I would be fine with it being legal. There are a couple more intricasies with making poligamy legal than there are with gay marriage - intestate beneficiaries etc., but consenting adults should be allowed to make that decision without the big bad government putting them in jail. You disagree?
It is your side trying to take God off our money.
Well, my side and the Constitution. How is putting God on the money and in the pledge not something that "forces you to cater things that go against your faith" for people that don't believe the same as you?
YOU ARE THE CONTROL FREAKS!
Hello pot, this is kettle - you're black. If it is a law you agree with, then no problem, control away - otherwise, it is big liberal control freaks coming to get you.
Banning contraceptives.
The personhood amendments that many conservatives are for (and is specifically in the GOP party platform) would ban several forms of contraceptives. Additionally, groups with political sway speak openly about being against all contraceptives Catholic Church/Knights of Columbus
Don't waste your time writing any more hogwash, I will not respond to it.
You mean you won't be able to refute it - there's a difference.
If a woman is raped, and has the option of either taking a pill to increase the odds that the egg won't get fertilized and the odds that a fertilized egg will not implant, or possibly enduring a (likely re-traumatising) pregnancy that she didn't consent to, I think it reasonable not to condemn her for deciding either the former or the latter.
Are all Democrats complete fools or what? Tell me one law that the GOP congress has passed that wants to stop the morning after pill after a rape or any other thing. They as I certainly DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR IT! We are talking about late term abortions for any reason with exceptions for life of mother & extreme cases. QUIT BEING A FOOL AND BRINGING UP NONSENSE! TELL ME ONE LAW THE GOP HAS PASSED TO PREVENT ABORTIONS THAT ARE NOT LATE TERM! There are none but that wont stop people like you from trying to excuse your inhumanity to the most helplesst among us.
Sometimes, I just scroll through your page and read all your arguments to get a good laugh. It makes me feel smart.
I don't know if you know this, but you make the GOP look like a joke. You really do, and I simply find it amusing. There certainly are people of the GOP that want contraception to not be accessible to anyone. Because that's not what God wants. Because God wants more people to worship him and assist in revoking the rights of others who aren't like them.
Inhumanity? INHUMANITY?! Really..? Umm, you don't want everyone to have the same rights to marriage. Honestly, passing those state laws for marriage EQUALITY shouldn't make a sliver of difference to you. It's not for your benefit, and it wouldn't hurt you. So get over it. Get over all of these terrible beliefs you seem to think are "humane".
LOL, you will pray for me? Please tell me what prayer you could possibly pray. Are you praying from that Bible your side has twisted to fit this anything goes culture of today? Spare me that prayer because you spit on everything God's words actually say in the Bible.
The Bible says Homosexuality is a perversion and what do many new age Christians today say? They say they know better than God. They say God loves all people so therefore he is for Homosexuality and actually makes people Gay. Yes God loves all people, but that does not mean he condones their lifestyles. We now have false Churches who say God is ok with abortion even when it means Mother Mary had the right to abort Jesus. The Bible says God knows us in the womb.
Please save your prayers for those unborn Baby's you refuse to protect.
Every single GOP/Republican Party Platform since 1976 (the first platform after Roe vs Wade) has supported a Constitutional Amendment which would make the morning after pill ILLEGAL.
What drugs do you smoke. Yo keep bringing up things from centuries ago & bring up things in some platform that everyone knows will never be voted in by the GOP. Tell me again any law pushed forward to end 1st term abortions by the GOP. Quit wasting our time! Your scare tactics are a joke. The GOP does not want to be forced to pay for ending a Baby's life... PERIOD!
Not marijuana - and why is that - largely conservative backed federally imposed restrictions.
Yo[sic] keep bringing up things from centuries ago
the abortion restrictions, gay marriage restrictions, drug restrictions, polygamy restrictions, and many of the others I mentioned have been recently passed, advocated for, and/or enforced.
Do you think the mother of a rapist's child should have to bear that?! It doesn't affect the "idiot rapist" nearly as much as the mother. Are you condoning rape? Are you saying that rapist can just keep doing what they do?? What the fuck is the other option? That fetus (Yes. FETUS) was an accident. Yes, I sound like some heartless, cold, corrupt, mindless Liberal, right? Okay, fine. But it's just a fact. The mother did not intend to be raped, she didn't ask for it. No one asks for rape. Which is why it is "rape" and not "consented sex". Who are you to say that she doesn't get that option to choose whether or not she wants to go through the hell of being pregnant, with a baby from some perverted, disgusting stranger? Who do you think you are? (see what I did there? ;D )
The death penalty is for murderers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can't grasp the difference then please ignore me. Pro life means pro INNOCENT life. We have no qualms with saving future lives with the death penalty. Those murderers will never murder again, in prison or out of prison.
How then, can you justify the pointless wars started by the right that have lead to much death, bloodshed and innocent lives being ended? The wars of manifest destiny, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, all of the Iraq wars, and the Afghan war to name a few. Innocent people die in wars all the time. If the right actually cared about preserving life, then why aren't they all pacifists? As far as the death penalty goes, innocent men have been killed by us via the death penalty, and that's a fact, and all life is precious, and if you're Christian, you would believe that men cannot judge other men lest they be judged, so to preserve life, and ensure no innocent people are killed by us via the death penalty, you would think the right would be against it. After all, if they are so "conservative" they would see that the death penalty does not deter murder and it does not prevent it, and it's very expensive and not a cost effective waste of tax dollars.
I'm sorry, i can't even read your posts to the end. When you make lunatic statements like only the GOP start wars, then it is laughable & wasting my time! The Democrats always sign on to every war we've ever had & guess what, they have started just as many during their terms!
When you make lunatic statements like only the GOP start wars, then it is laughable & wasting my time!
He didn't say that only the GOP starts wars, he just noted that they start more wars, and listed some examples. If you're going to take that as meaning only the GOP starts wars, then it's just as fair to take your statements as meaning only Democrats have abortions.
He's a liar because the GOP has not started any more wars than the Democrats. Actually the Democrats were known to have started more because people believed they want to lose the pacifist label. Democrats started the Vietnam war I believe & that was the worst war in our history. They wanted to look strong & not weak. A Republican got us out of that war I believe. Obama is the first radical Liberal president who does not care about looking weak. We are seeing the results.
It matters not who actually started the most wars when both sides always vote for going to war.
FromWithin, when you down vote other people's arguments, you're supposed to do so when they have made an absurd claim that is not based in reality (all of mine are based on facts, so that doesn't apply with me), or if the logic is weak (which mine are not weak in terms of logic), or if the argument hinges on ad hominem fallacy (as yours typically do). So, instead of being a chickenshit, not addressing the points I've raised, and just "down-voting" my arguments, try actually debating since you're on a debate website. If you want to mindlessly click a "like" button, go to Facebook for your fascinating diatribes and party-line rants.
When I want to really debate, it would not be with a bigoted PC Liberal such as yourself. Your facts are nothing more then Democrat rhetoric. There is no subject that could not be twisted to make oneself correct. If you truly want to get to the bottom of who is right or wrong, look at life... look at America before the Liberal attack on our freedoms. Gee why are the welfare roles continuing to grow under the most Liberal Government in our history. Why is our nation in such dysfunction. The GOP just had a historic political win and for what reason? LIBERALISM! That's the reason. Look at the facts, look at life and quit following a totally failed ideology! No nation can survive without moral guidelines to try & live up to. Godless nations like Russia are barren of love or compassion. In Godless nations, our most innocent children are but burdens to be discarded if it interferes with our fun in life.
He's a liar because the GOP has not started any more wars than the Democrats.
Well, in my lifetime, there have been two in the same country, and one in a country that was unrelated to catching Bin Laden or the attackers on 9/11. I don't care who started more wars or less wars; that wasn't what my claim was. My claim was that the GOP starts wars, and that is a fact. Innocent people die in wars, and that's a fact. So, if you think the GOP values all human life as "precious," why are they not all pacifist/anti-war? Why are "liberals" known for being anti-war? Strange. Why is that? Don't be a chickenshit, dodge it and start a diatribe about something else!
Actually the Democrats were known to have started more because people believed they want to lose the pacifist label.
What are you talking about? Please clarify.
Democrats started the Vietnam war I believe & that was the worst war in our history.
Eisenhower was President when we first started getting involved in Vietnam in 1954. Ike was a Republican. It wasn't the worst war we've ever had in history, but it was certainly bad.
A Republican got us out of that war I believe.
You believe wrong. It was war protesters and the general public that got us out of that war. Those are people you'd probably assail as "liberals" or "communists" who don't care if we looked "weak." Nixon dropped more bomb tonnage on Cambodia than was dropped on the entire Pacific Theater during WW2 in order to look "strong." How's that for protecting all innocent human life?
Obama is the first radical Liberal president who does not care about looking weak.
This is partisan drivel and has no basis in facts, but I'm going to point out that objectively, President Obama is very "conservative" if you actually bothered looking at his policies. He's certainly not radical "liberal (not liberal in the actual meaning of the word because he IS that, but you don't know what it really means anyway)."
We are seeing the results.
What results? The results caused by a pointless war started by a Republican in a foreign land that cost trillions of dollars yet-to-be-paid that created a power-vaccum? Are you going to say something about ISIS? Are you going to say we should send the boys over there? Holy shit! You're about to advocate for more military conflict on the credit card just like "conservatives" typically do. Guess what? Innocent people die in war! Why do you advocate for that? Why are THOSE innocent lives worth less than unborn innocent lives? Answer that. Don't be a chickenshit.
It matters not who actually started the most wars when both sides always vote for going to war.
We haven't had a legal war where "both sides" voted on anything since WW2. Everything since then has been executive action or a police action with the UN or NATO. Everything. Both "sides" haven't voted on any armed conflict since the 1940s.
Moreover, when a Republican President lies to you about why he started two wars, you see men die in those wars, people try to kill you in those wars, and you VOTED for him (I used to be a Republican when I was uneducated and young), then you come back and the Republicans block VA funding and fight against your education benefits, it ABSOLUTELY matters who started the war. Most of the people who were against those bullshit wars were "liberals."
So, are you going to bother addressing my points like a man? Or are you going to call me names and ignore my points like a chickenshit?
I never said ONLY the GOP starts wars. What I said is that the GOP HAS started many wars (often times, as with the pointless, wasteful wars in Iraq twice and Afghanistan, they were done through executive action, since we haven't had a legally declared war since WW2, which would get the approval from Congress). Then I asked, "if the GOP really values innocent life, then why aren't they all pacifist?" That is a valid question, and instead of addressing that question, you resorted to name-calling and partisan rhetoric.
This what's called a debate website. The way it works is, you debate like adults (i.e.: use facts and logic to form an argument or counter-argument). You don't argue or name-call.
So, if the GOP is really fiscally conservative, and really cares about life, why is the GOP not all entirely pacifist? War is very expensive (both of the Iraq wars and the Afghan war, were put on a credit card by the GOP, rather than raise taxes to pay for them. Talk about wasteful spending.), and innocent people die in wars, so why is the GOP the party of hawkish foreign policy?
The burden is on you. I have asked you the question. Now it's on you to show me how President Nixon valued human life when he authorized dropping more bomb tonnage on Cambodia than was dropped on the entire Pacific Theater during WW2. It's on you to show me how it was fiscally responsible to start a war in Iraq under false pretenses and lies, and how it was fiscally responsible to start a war in Afghanistan where the guy we were after wasn't even living. It is also on YOU to tell me how all the innocent people who died in those wars deserved to die, but unborn fetuses do not. It is on you to tell me how some innocent life is literally disposable, and other innocent life is precious.
Answer that. Don't be a chickenshit and ignore it.
Because liberals often times have a far deeper understanding of the dilemma at hand than conservatives who simply think that all abortion entails is killing babies. You have to take into account the womans right to her uterus, when life begins, when HUMANITY begins, when a fetus gains rights and what rights they gain, rape cases, the repercussions of NOT having available abortion clinics, ect. Its a really deep and complex issue. But no, weak minded conervatives like you just go "Nope killing babies is wrong no matter what 100% nope nope nope lalalalalalala i cant hear you." and almost always comes packaged with their religious belief that their god says its wrong. Guess what? Nobody fucking cares what your religion says nor are we allowed to pass legislation based on it so keep it the fuck to yourself.
In short, "babies" ,by which you mean early-mid stage fetuses, do not have a "right to life" that trumps the mothers right to terminate her pregnancy. That fetus requires the mother to live and feeds off of her body similar to a parasite. Its fully dependent on her and if she doesnt want that then its her right.
In short, Hitler said the sames things you are saying right here & now. He also had ludicrous excuses to condone killing Jewish people. Yes, just as you say how pro choice people have a deeper understanding of the need for abortions on demand, Hitler had a far deeper understanding of the wealth control by Jewish people, and the harm that caused to poor German families. The Nazi party was much more enlightened to understand that the holocaust did not just entail killing Jews, it went far deeper than that.
Can you grasp my point? Nah, you actually swallow your excuses for ending the lives of healthy children by healthy mothers. I wonder if your support for abortions on demand for any reason, is any different than the German's support for the Holocaust. Look in the mirror & tell yourself how the minuscule amount of abortions for life of mother or extreme cases, is reason to support abortions on demand for the vast millions of abortions.
Don't tell me you don't support every late term abortion each & every time you vote for the Democrat party. Tell me how those special Olympic kids do not deserve the same right to life as you do. Downs Syndrome is the majority of late term abortions in case you missed that fact while watching Liberal biased media.
In short, Hitler said the sames things you are saying right here & now. He also had ludicrous excuses to condone killing Jewish people. Yes, just as you say how pro choice people have a deeper understanding of the need for abortions on demand, Hitler had a far deeper understanding of the wealth control by Jewish people, and the harm that caused to poor German families. The Nazi party was much more enlightened to understand that the holocaust did not just entail killing Jews, it went far deeper than that.
Wow what a bullshit analogy. No hitler did not have a deeper understanding of jewish people he was just a crazy paranoid conspiracy theorist who had a personal vendetta against them. There was little depth to it at all and even if there was how the hell does it relate back to a woman being able to control her uterus? When i said deeper understanding i meant the issue is much more complicated than how you religious idiots percieve it as.
Can you grasp my point? Nah, you actually swallow your excuses for ending the lives of healthy children by healthy mothers.
I understood it but it is a bullshit analogy that has nothing to do with the argument. And no not always. Often abortions occur because the FETUS or the mother is NOT healthy. And if you get rid of abortion alltogether then they suffer and their lives are in danger.
I wonder if your support for abortions on demand for any reason, is any different than the German's support for the Holocaust.
Yes. Germans- saught world domination, personal hatred of jews, conspiracy theorists, hitler had schizophorenia.
Me- women have a right to control their own bodies, abortion is a necessary medical procedure for unhealthy pregnancies and traumatic pregnancy scenarios, i have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, if there were no abortion clinics we would see a huge upswing in home abortions and deaths by unhealthy pregnancies as well as other things like child abuse and impoverished families who cant support the children.
Yeah id say theyre vastly different.
Look in the mirror & tell yourself how the minuscule amount of abortions for life of mother or extreme cases, is reason to support abortions on demand for the vast millions of abortions.
Just did. Whats your point? You. And. I. Have. No. Right. To. Tell. A. Woman. What. To. Do. With. Her. Body. UNDERSTAND? If you dont like it thats your problem but it is a simple, safe, common medical procedure that, if it werent for you pro lifers traumatizing women on the way into the clinic, would be relatively free of emotional pain. Get the fuck over it.
Don't tell me you don't support every late term abortion each & every time you vote for the Democrat party.
I dont. Because late term abortions dont happen. The farthest limit is 20 weeks i believe and thats not even close to 3rd trimester. And the number of abortions in this time period is like 1.3% of all abortions so not really that big a deal. Im all for abortion REFORM and setting limits on things, but not scrapping it alltogether.
Tell me how those special Olympic kids do not deserve the same right to life as you do
When they're born they have the same rights. However do those rights extend to them as a premature fetus? That is the real argument. I would argue no, rights are not attributed to fetuses and even if they are i believe the mothers rights and will trumps those of the fetus.
Downs Syndrome is the majority of late term abortions in case you missed that fact while watching Liberal biased media.
No actually i did know that. Do you know why they are? Because theyre fucking expensive as hell to care for and some, in fact MOST families cannot financially support a heavily mentally challenged child. Its no fault of their own but a mother has the right to terminate their pregnancy for any reason they deem fit and being unable to financially support a child seems like a perfectly justifiable reason.
LOL, again you spewed pure lies so I AGAIN STOPPED READING! Maybe you missed it when I said not to use life of mother or extreme cases for abortions because the GOP supported those abortions. BUT AS ALWAYS, you had to bring up those rare rare exceptions to condone abortion on demand for the millions. NO ONE wants to ban abortions for life of mother, etc. IGNORE ME PLEASE. I refuse to debate people like you. You have absolutely no excuses for abortion on demand so you must ALWAYS bring up life of mother.
Why do i waste my time debating people who actually condone even late term abortions!
I refuse to debate people like you. You have absolutely no excuses for abortion on demand so you must ALWAYS bring up life of mother.
You mean besides all of the ones i listed before hand like the fact that, danger or not, its the womans choice? That its a safe and normal medical procedure? That without on demand abortion care it would lead to a spike in home abortion and out of country abortions which are life threatening? That theres literally no argument against it other than "i dont like it" or "my god said its bad". How about those you ignorant little fuck?
Why do i waste my time debating people who actually condone even late term abortions!
Maybe you missed when i said explicitly i am all for limits on abortion timeframes?
In closing, go hang yourself you little brainwashed twat. This site and this world has no use for such a close minded scrappy little jibbering fuckwit. Piss off you braindead shitstick.
You fool! I have a Down syndrome brother & guess what? He is smarter than any arrogant fool Democrat supporting abortion on demand. Guess what, he loves life & he is not expensive to care for. I guess the cost of a child dictates when Liberals justify the worth of their lives. Just because he is not as smart as you arrogant fools think he should be, it is ok to kill him? Are you God? Do you have a crystal ball & know how challenged every special needs child will be? IGNORE!
Did i ever say they were expensive PERIOD? No i said expensive for some families. No the worth of the womans pregnancy is up to her not you or me or anyone. You do realize im advocating pro CHOICE right? As in leave all of this up to THEM. You want to deprive them of that choice and force a decision onto them not me. Grow the fuck up you whiny little bitch
You come on a debate site and when someone disagrees with you you rant and rave and spew bullshit then ignore them. How open minded and progressive of you. Brainwashed cunt
To your Hitler comment: still not appropriate. but you are proving Godwin's Law. Congratulations! there's another one for you in terms of referencing the Holocaust when it is completely uncalled for. Are you supportive of the Holocaust? Because that's how you're starting to come across to me.
It's not like abortions are a genocide. Because these children are not technically fully "alive", they can't technically fully be "killed". Make sense? Probably not, but that's your loss. Okay, I'm some Satanic, barbaric Liberal. I'm not really either of those things, but ouch my feelers. ;P
Supporting abortion doesn't necessarily mean we are trying to persuade people to get these abortions because we hate that fetuses turn into babies that turn into citizens of the world. Why would we ever want fewer people to one day carry on the tradition of harboring and practicing our terrible, primitive beliefs in politics? That's not the goal. It's simply supporting a woman's rights to her own body. What a weird idea. WOMEN think they can get the rights to do what they feel is necessary to their bodies?! Nah, Jesus wouldn't like that. That's too radical of an idea. These damn crazy Liberals just have NO idea what they're talking about. Goodness, what are they THINKING?!
Do you have any idea at all how ludicrous your excuses are to abort Babies? You say they are not fully alive? LOL, that is beyond stupid (by the way, the earth is flat).
It is not a body part of a woman's body. It is a separate living human being. All I can say is people who support abortions for any reason live in a world of self love inhumanity! No different from any dictator in the world who deems some other group of people deserving of death.
You waste my time with the same barbaric rhetoric I've heard a thousand times. I wonder if in your heart you could ever possible believe it.
Their crusade would be the Gay agenda and tearing down the Christian faith. Do you honestly think they would give two hoots for Gay marriage were it not for the fact it goes against Christianity? Do you see Liberals fighting for the right of men having 10 wives? No.... Do you see them fighting for the right of adults marrying consenting teenagers? Why do you suppose it is the Gay agendas we hear CONSTANTLY on the news while every other diverse group of people get NO MENTION.
Yes, multiple wives & marrying teenagers are not something the Christian Church supports. That was not my point. I'm trying to say once you open Pandora's box & allow one group special marriage privileges, you must allow all groups because they will use the same hogwash equal right's argument.
Liberal's have been pushing the Abortion & Gay agendas for decades. Why is it the Gay agenda they seemingly only care about? If they truly cared about everyone's rights, these other groups would be supported also. I contend the push for Gay agendas is purely because Homosexuality is a sin in the Christian faith, so Liberals must tear the Christian faith apart and focus on only issues of the Church such as Abortion & Homosexuality. If you have a better opinion why Liberals care nothing for other group's equal rights, by all means let me know. Why don't they care for a man's right to have multiple wives?
They do fight against anything to do with Christian expression on public grounds in this nation. They fight for Abortions on demand at any stage. It is all to do with their hatred of the Christian faith unless of course you belong to a new age enlightened Church that condones everything except what the Bible actually says.
They do fight against anything to do with Christian expression on public grounds in this nation.
Which is supposed to be done under the constitution. They also fight against the other religions as well.
They fight for Abortions on demand at any stage.
That isn't exactly true. Either way, it isn't because Christians are against abortion.
It is all to do with their hatred of the Christian faith unless of course you belong to a new age enlightened Church that condones everything except what the Bible actually says.
Again, you are assuming there is Christian hate in order to demonstrate there is Christian hate. The Bible teaches that you are supposed to be good to your fellow man. The enlightened churches do follow what the Bible says.
Anyone who spews the Left''s bigoted Christianphobic lie that the Constitution wants to separate Christian expression in public places is absurd.
Separation of church & state is no where in the constitution but Liberals still use the lie to justify their bigotry.
I would agree that the Abortion issue is about more than just anti Christian bigots. The Homosexual issue is MOST DEFINITELY the Left's bigotry against the Christian faith.
Oh, the new age unenlightened false churches most definitely have compassion for those who tow the Political correct humanist religion. If you dare to stand up for ALL of the teachings in the new testament, you are labeled a homophobe or hatemonger. Liberal churches have tunnel vision on who they are compassionate to.
Anyone who spews the Left''s bigoted Christianphobic lie that the Constitution wants to separate Christian expression in public places is absurd.
Anyone who can't read the constitution is absurd.
Separation of church & state is no where in the constitution but Liberals still use the lie to justify their bigotry.
It is in the pesky first amendment. The government is not allowed to pick a religion.
I would agree that the Abortion issue is about more than just anti Christian bigots. The Homosexual issue is MOST DEFINITELY the Left's bigotry against the Christian faith.
Not treated homosexuals as human beings is what cause the Left to go against your Christian values.
Oh, the new age unenlightened false churches most definitely have compassion for those who tow the Political correct humanist religion. If you dare to stand up for ALL of the teachings in the new testament, you are labeled a homophobe or hatemonger. Liberal churches have tunnel vision on who they are compassionate to.
That's because you are a hatemonger. Why don't you start acting like Jesus and get people to side with you?
You are a liar! Read the first amendment to all of us & NO WHERE do you see the words separation of Church & state. It says Government shall pass no law that prohibits the free exercise of religion. What Liberals have done with their lies is going against the actual meaning of the first amendment.
But I know you could care less what it actually says. You want to change the Constitution where idiot Liberals can transform America to their socialistic gutter.
Read the first amendment to all of us & NO WHERE do you see the words separation of Church & state.
Read the first amendment and NO WHERE does it say that something written on the internet is protected. Obviously free speech encompasses that, but I don't see you complaining. I am saying (again) that the first amendment says that the government will not support a religion. The first amendment also states "...prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion..." .That means the government can't endorse a religion, which is translated to separating church and state.
It says Government shall pass no law that prohibits the free exercise of religion.
Which doesn't change based on what is displayed at a courthouse. You are still free to practice your religion.
What Liberals have done with their lies is going against the actual meaning of the first amendment.
The founding fathers did not want to be painted into a corner on the religion of the country. We do not have a national religion because of them.
But I know you could care less what it actually says.
Apparently that is both of us since quoting a small part of the amendment is the only way to go.
You want to change the Constitution where idiot Liberals can transform America to their socialistic gutter.
FINISH THE ENTIRE AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It says Congress shall pass no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. As I said, you are a liar because it NEVER says separation of church & state! Liberals keep spewing that lie! The freedom of a community to have a school prayer is NOT establishing any law establishing a religion! I guess when they say a prayer at a football game, they are establishing a religion to all the fans at the game. If you are so close minded, send your child to a school that does not say a prayer. It's called school choice that Democrats hate.
Do people like you ever see how unbelievably stupid you sound? Just as you took the privacy clause in the Constitution to legalize killing unborn babies, you twist the first amendment to censor religious expression. It's truly sickening.
FINISH THE ENTIRE AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You finish it asshole.
It says Congress shall pass no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
The government putting up something religious is not you exercising your religion. So, how does a rule stating that they can't stop your free exercise of religion apply here? It doesn't.
As I said, you are a liar because it NEVER says separation of church & state!
As I have said, it doesn't need to have those exact words. I specifically said it says that it can't endorse a religion.
Liberals keep spewing that lie!
Keep spewing that simplification. Fixed that for you.
The freedom of a community to have a school prayer is NOT establishing any law establishing a religion!
Taking it out of school is not establishing any law that prohibits your right to free exercise your religion, so what?
I guess when they say a prayer at a football game, they are establishing a religion to all the fans at the game.
Establishing it for all the players.
If you are so close minded, send your child to a school that does not say a prayer. It's called school choice that Democrats hate.
Fuck you dumbass. Send your kid to a religious school.
Do people like you ever see how unbelievably stupid you sound? Just as you took the privacy clause in the Constitution to legalize killing unborn babies, you twist the first amendment to censor religious expression. It's truly sickening.
Ha, I love how you go off topic after asking me if I realize how stupid I sound.
I dont support religion in schools either. Do you think students have the right to pray and read read religious books on their own, or no? I was 16 and I read my Bible when I was no busy in school. I did not force religion on anyone, but a student told me I was not allowed to have a Bible at school.
Yeah, I don't care what you personally do on your own time. I am pretty sure that person was mistaken about the rules. It is unfortunate. There should probably be more free time that can be used for prayer since school drags on forever when you are a student.
Teach your sex Ed. on your own time hypocrite. You have no problem indoctrinating our kids with Evolution theories & sex education, but don't we dare say a prayer. HYPOCRITE! As always, only Liberal speech is protected in schools.
Only a fool would say we he knows for sure we are all a result of the THEORY of evolution. By spewing that arrogant lie, it only shows what I am saying. YOUR SPEECH & BELIEFS ARE OK IN SCHOOL BUT NO ONE ELSE!
If we lived in Iraq, YES, they would have the prayer of their faith in schools. It's called freedom of a nation to express it's majority faith. NOT FORCE OTHERS TO BELIEVE, but the freedom to express it's heritage.
Guess what, if I lived in Iraq or Israel, I would not be such an arrogant closed minded bigot to try and censor their freedoms to express their majority faith. If they tried to force me to believe in their God, I would leave the sick nation. There is a huge difference in expressing one's majority faith and FORCING IT ON OTHERS.
Any liar that says a community's freedom & choice to have a prayer in school is establishing a religion, is but an idiot Liberal.
It matters NOT why any community would choose to have prayers anywhere any time. It is called FREEDOM to choose. Most of us understand that a prayer of love & forgiveness is a good thing for kids to hear, regardless if they are atheists or not. But their are insecure close minded people who fear diverse opinions & beliefs.
I will ask you the same ludicrous question... why can't you teach your evolution theory or sex ed. after school. I would rather not have my child indoctrinated with your humanist religion or theories. CAN YOU GRASP THAT SIMPLE POINT? It's called freedom of communities to choose what their schools will allow & BIG GOVERNMENT can get out of our lives.
If you are so insecure & close minded to some prayer, go to a school where they choose not to have a prayer. It is not rocket science this free speech freedom thing.
It matters NOT why any community would choose to have prayers anywhere any time.
Of course it does. If you want to disrupt class time, you need to have a good reason.
It is called FREEDOM to choose.
There are tons of things you can't do while you are in school, and none of those go against your freedom.
Most of us understand that a prayer of love & forgiveness is a good thing for kids to hear, regardless if they are atheists or not.
If you actually practiced love and forgiveness, why do you need to pray for them?
I will ask you the same ludicrous question... why can't you teach your evolution theory or sex ed. after school.
That's what school is for.
I would rather not have my child indoctrinated with your humanist religion or theories.
They aren't, so you are safe.
CAN YOU GRASP THAT SIMPLE POINT?
No, because it isn't happening.
It's called freedom of communities to choose what their schools will allow & BIG GOVERNMENT can get out of our lives.
This doesn't make any sense. You want BIG GOVERNMENT to create and run schools and stay out of schools.
If you are so insecure & close minded to some prayer, go to a school where they choose not to have a prayer.
How the fuck am I supposed to do that? You want to make it mandatory for every school to have prayer. What schools don't have prayer? Oh yeah, public schools.
It is not rocket science this free speech freedom thing.
Have you thought of maybe doing some individual praying? Why is your freedom hinged on me participating in your prayers?
What part of intelligence did you miss out on? Why are Liberals so arrogant & closed minded? Can you understand freedom of a community to choose a prayer or not? Why must arrogant Liberals force everyone to bow down to their humanist religion & leave no room for other opinions & beliefs. The arrogance & bigotry of Liberals is mind boggling.
Teaching our children they evolved from nothing is just as much indoctrinating them as teaching them there is a God. I say teach neither in school or give every school the choice & we as parents will send our kids to the schools that fit our personalities & beliefs.
It's our taxes that pay for those schools & we should all have a say in what it teaches.
Can you understand freedom of a community to choose a prayer or not?
That is not part of the constitution. It is completely ridiculous that you need the community to participate in your prayers in order for you to freely exercise your religion.
Teaching our children they evolved from nothing
Good thing we don't teach that in schools.
I say teach neither in school
Why teach math? History? Let's not teach anything in schools.
It's our taxes that pay for those schools & we should all have a say in what it teaches.
No. That's not how things work. You can't pick and choose what science to teach. We don't have the freedom to choose what any of our other tax dollars go toward.
Only a fool would say we he knows for sure we are all a result of the THEORY of evolution
Do you even know what a theory is? A theory is not a hypothesis. A hyposthesis is an educated guess that has no evidence to support it (yet). A hypothesis has very little credibility in the scientific world. However, a THEORY has been tested repeatedly without having a different result. A theory, in science is basically the same as a law. So, you ridiculing science by typing "theory" in all caps is like if you said, "the LAW of gravity," and expected that to make your opposition cringe because you cracked the case.
My advice: learn about science before you go attacking it. Otherwise, you look ignorant.
You have no problem indoctrinating our kids with Evolution theories
That's because evolution theories are science, and science is taught at school. Science is not a religion. Science is an epistemological study of the universe using empiricism. The first amendment does NOT say, "thou shalt not teach a fact-based study of the universe," and it certainly does not say, "the US should lag behind the rest of the world in math and science in order to placate taliban-like, religious zealots that deny science.
If you are going to allow one group of people to change our marriage laws, you must allow all groups. Men who want 20 wives will claim equal rights, etc. etc. etc.
Stop this political correct madness before our nation is dead with broken families & broken lives. Our children deserve better than this. Take a biology class if you are confused about what is normal and natural. Gay people can have civil unions with the same right's as the rest of us. There was no need to change our marriage laws that so many today don't even enter in to. Most people are living together which is sad for the children.
If you are not sure what to think about abortion, ask yourself if you are glad your mother gave you a chance at life & was not discarded. Every child deserves that same right.
You're right. Our children do deserve better than this. Our children deserve to be able to marry who they want when they're old enough. But you also shouldn't generalize all of the "children" into one group. I also think YOU should probably take the biology class. As I said before, natural. What's UNnatural is your homophobia and trying to push it on everyone else. Get over it. Get over yourself, it's not your choice to make. Yes, it's your opinion, but to base that opinion on more "facts" that aren't even true? (homosexuality being unnatural and abnormal, etc.) Okay. Well, then let's blame your god! Who keeps creating these gay people? If there's anyone to have a beef with over all these gay people, it's God.
Why do you keep acting like you are God and you can tell everyone else how to think & believe. You are a complete judgmental fool to label anyone who does not support Gay marriage as a homophobe. COMPLETE FOOL!I took biology and Homosexuality is abnormal. You have no right to force every state to change their marriage laws. Who do you think you are?
I don't know if you know this, but they found a gay gene. Look it up, and then tell me the scientists are bullshitting us and that homosexuality is abnormal. I think you're a joke. Tell me I'm acting like I'm God? What in the hell do you think YOU are doing, and how is it different from what I'm doing? Humor me, please. I don't label "anyone who does not support Gay marriage" a homophobe. I can rightfully classify people as homophobes when they are discriminatory and defensive and just generally being assholes. You might want to look at your transcript and possibly retake biology and, I don't know, pay attention? I don't know if you know this, but I'm a fifteen year-old girl in Nebraska. You think I personally have any say in what the government does about marriage laws? Because:
a). I'm fifteen
b). I'm a girl.
Just you wait buddy, when I turn eighteen. That is when you can talk to me about me forcing my government to change marriage laws. Because I sure as hell will be. Why? Because it's a basic fucking HUMAN RIGHT. You don't get to call me a "COMPLETE FOOL!". Why? Because look at yourself, first. And also, it's childish. Like seriously, how old are you? And you spend your time calling me stupid, hypocritical, and a fool. Who the fuck do you think YOU are to be judgmental enough to call every Liberal "mindless", including me? I'm sorry that your arguing just dwindles down to calling people names and putting them down, and referencing Hitler when it's completely inappropriate. Best of luck to you in today's society today. Seriously, you need it. (:
Well, I don't really like marriages in the first place. I've seen so many of those things get ugly and fall apart. I see what your saying and I am glad my mom gave me a chance, but still a baby can ruin a woman's life. Even if they did make a mistake, shouldn't they have a say in what goes on in THEIR womb?
Tell me way a woman is the only one with a choice of what goes on in her womb? How about that Baby girl's womb & what goes on inside it when they tear her apart.
When will pro choice people ever get it? There are two living growing beings during pregnancy. The mother & the Baby. Spare me the "fetus" rhetoric. Everyone knows what we are talking about.
So we are supernatural and can know the future of any child? Do you know how many genius & successful people have come from terrible homes?
Who are we to decide who gets to live & who does not. For decades now you have been brainwashed from the Left wing media that life is expendable & you can't even see it.
If a woman does not want the Baby we have waiting lists for newborn adoption.
What about the risk of death giving birth to a child? What if you know its the woman's life or the child's life and the woman wants to get an abortion to save her life? Would you not allow her to get an abortion if you legally could?
If you are going to allow one group of people to change our marriage laws, you must allow all groups. Men who want 20 wives will claim equal rights, etc. etc. etc.
Stop this political correct madness before our nation is dead with broken families & broken lives. Our children deserve better than this. Take a biology class if you are confused about what is normal and natural. Gay people can have civil unions with the same right's as the rest of us. There was no need to change our marriage laws that so many today don't even enter in to. Most people are living together which is sad for the children.
If you are not sure what to think about abortion, ask yourself if you are glad your mother gave you a chance at life & was not discarded. Every child deserves that same right.
Take a biology class if you are confused about what is normal and natural.
Tons of animals exhibit homosexual behavior - read a book...
Gay people can have civil unions with the same right's as the rest of us.
Not in most states and to some extent at the federal level. Who do you think is blocking that? Those pesky big government telling you how to live liberals??
