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Federal prison populations differ from state prison populations. States often do not keep data on immigration status. One of the few places they do is in TX, where illegal immigration is very high.. TX data indicates illegal immigrants commit less crime on average. It’s reasonable to conclude from our limited data on the matter that immigrants engage in federal crimes at a higher rate than others, but state crimes at a lower rate. This may stand to reason since the very nature of immigration is interstate and international.

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In other words, illegals are far more likely to commit crimes so egregious that the feds get involved...

Very comforting.

Let's take a peak, shall we?

"Federal crimes include mail fraud, aircraft hijacking, carjacking, kidnapping, bank robbery, child pornography, credit card fraud, identity theft, computer crimes, federal hate crimes, violations of the Federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), obscenity, tax evasion, counterfeiting, violations of the Espionage Act, violations of the Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, art theft from a museum,[1] damaging or destroying public mailboxes, electoral fraud, and serious immigration offenses."

Federal agencies have been granted powers to investigate federal offenses, including the Bureau Firearms, Bereau of Explosives, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Secret Service."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FederalcrimeintheUnited_States

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Amarel(4692) Disputed
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A federal crime isn’t necessarily a more egregious crime. It’s just a crime that falls under federal jurisdiction.

If someone traffics drugs across town, is it really more egregious than trafficking drugs across the state line?

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Amarel(4692) Clarified
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Most things on your list are also State and local crimes. The difference is jurisdiction.

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FromWithin(6832) Clarified
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let me clarify something for you.

As soon as an illegal immigrant comes across the border, he has broken the law and is a criminal. That means 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals. It matters not if they have made it to any prison.

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Amarel(4692) Clarified
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We are not in disagreement about this. However, the discussion relates to crime beyond the jurisdiction of ICE ie Crimes for which State and federal law enforcement may arrest anyone for.

I’m not for open borders. Sovereign nations require border security. But we done have to misrepresent related information in pursuit of our political goals. Do illegal immigrants engage in higher rates of state crime? I don’t know, but they don’t in Texas.

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Every crime an illegal commits could have been avoided if they had been refused entry in the first place.

Every nation has its home grown/indigenous criminals so why would anyone other than a a total idiot wish to add to this by importing additional criminals?

I'm certain that the victims of crimes committed by illegals, including rape, and the loved ones of those who were murdered by the imported filth take great solace in your claim that they commit fewer crimes than legitimate citizens.

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