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Life without school would be bad because we wouldn't know how to read, write, talk, or even learn about mathematics or learn things like science. We need those things in life if we don't we would fail and life would be hard on everyone. How do you think life is in Africa where kids don't know how to read or write or even know mathematics there life is harder than our life.
Just look at how uneducated the population is already due to the mediocre public schools the US has. Imagine if the mediocre (but better than nothing) public school system didn't exist and people just helped their parents at the farm or something similar. It's not a good thought.
Yes its not good if we would go to work and not learn anything and we need that education to help us in our life in the future because without it we would be hopeless and worthless.
I agree that some countries have children work on the farm instead of education, and in some countries I think have to pay for there education.
So you DO acknowledge science as vital fact. But when it proves your beliefs wrong its suddenly unacceptable? Why wont God just help you along your life? Why do we need education when we have God? Oh wait, does he not answer prayers? Havent seen him for quite a long time it seems...
I do acknowledge it is a fact but some parts I consider it fact and some I don't. Yes its unacceptable because its against the Bible and what God says.
Uh God does help me in my life and He does answer my prayers and the reason why you don't hear from Him is because your not in a relationship with Him like I am.
Aaand the things you dont accept just so happen to conflict with your beliefs...riiiigght. Hate to break it to you but just because you don't accept something doesn't make it untrue. Especially when it's evidence-backed scientific theory.
Before accepting this so called god's word how bout we find out if he exists or not eh?
Why should I have to seek this god out? Shouldn't it be apparent that he's real to everyone? If I don't have the evidence to know he's real or I'm born a Hindu or a Buddhist how can he make it a sin to not follow him? It's not my fault he made himself seem absurd and left no sign. Why doesnt he pop in to all humanity and say "Im real!"? How do you "start a relationship" with something a) Non existent and b) you may not even know about? This god made criteria to follow impossible for all mankind. If this god loves all of us why doesn't he seek US out? There's too many fucking unanswered questions with your weak ass faith. Too many contradictions. Too many loopholes. How anyone can forgo all logic and reason and blindly follow this crap is beyond me.
Well let me think I asked God for evidence that He existed in the Bible and after I prayed a couple days later I decided I should read my Bible and I flip open to the NT and I started reading 1 Peter and then I went and found a verse that He existed and more verse I found.
So you asked god for evidence of his existence, then read the book that says he exists on every page...wow... Not to mention the bible isn't any evidence of his existence. We've been over this. So that whole thing is flawed. Not to mention you have no proof nor reason to believe god made you read the bible. Sooo....that meant nothing. Next.
Yes I have asked for evidence and I read a certain part of His book. The Bible is evidence because there were eyewitness account who saw Jesus and recorded everything He ever did. The whole thing isn't flawed there is archaeology to back it up because they found artifacts related to the Bible like there was coins that bared King Herod's name on them and many people thought that King Herod didn't exist but they found that they even found people and places related to the Bible. Also God didn't make me to read the Bible, I just decided on my own to read the Bible and I opened the Bible to a book and just started reading and then I found it. Sooo...... that meant something. Next!
These eyewitnesses themselves didn't write it down! Nor did historians! Why? Seems pretty important! Like, "dear diary, Jesus is alive!". None of it is backed up anywhere besides the bible. For example, the cat in the hat. I read it. In order to know the cat in the hat is real you need other evidence. Like a eyewitness report of him. Or a historical account of him. Then you can say there's reasonable evidence to believe he existed. You can't just believe the cat in the hat is real from one source especially one so old and unsupported.
We've been over this so many times. Yes, there is archeological evidence for certain places and people (these also being backed up by other sources unlike Jesus and the things he did). There is NOT any for noahs ark, creation, Jesus, miracles, god ect. Just because certain things are true does not automatically make the entire thing true. For example, Harry potter. In Harry potter London is referenced to and we know that exists. Does that mean that magic and wizards are real? No. There's no evidence for those things at all.
So god didn't make you read the bible. So what did you praying have to do with anything? You just decided on your own with god not making you and you read a page that says he exists and that's somehow proof? The bible says god is real on every page! What your saying is, you wanted proof he was real, so you went to his book. His book where he says "I'm real believe in me" and that's proof? WTF? That's like saying "I want proof for unicorns" and then reading a nursery rhyme with unicorns in it and taking that as proof. If that's proof enough for you you got one closed mind my friend. Proof is substantial evidence. You should be skeptical until proven beyond a reasonable doubt through many sources that it is true.
You will never get what I am trying to say at all, I have found that it is useless even debating with you. You don't get it and never will get it until you see God for yourself its just like every other atheist they need physical proof not written down proof because it isn't reliable and everything you atheists believe in is utter bull crap and I am going to avoid it because this gets us nowhere at all. You will see later when you die that God really did exist and it would be your mistake for not believing in Him. The only thing I could do now is pray for you because Jesus said pray for your enemies and I will pray regardless for you even if you tell me not to.
No I don't get it! For once you are right. I. Don't. Get it. I dont get how you can accept something based on ZERO evidence. The bible is flawed and completely false. Science disproves nearly everything. So does common sense and reason. As well as historical fact and archeology. I don't get how someone can be so blind as to not see the truth right in front of their face. You don't get it. Im all for proof for god. If you give me reasonable evidence I will convert on the spot. But you can't! The whole Internet couldn't! I've looked! There is NOTHING for god and TONS against him. Your little personal experiences are cute and all but I don't know they are true! I can't depend on your word. I need evidence. You even said you had tons. Where is it?
Go ahead and pray even though it's pointless. Pray for god to speak to me. Pray for me to "see the light" or whatever. I'm open for it. But it won't happen. Because god isn't real. And prayers don't work.
No school? Why don't we just take everybody's money, house, dreams, and ambitions and burn them and then scatter the ashes over the ocean? Without school not only would children no longer get as much social interaction, they wouldn't learn basic math, English, science, or our country's history. So we would become stupid anti-social babies. We would be taking away our children's right to learn. Also if we became an uneducated nation we would probably be taken advantage of by other countries.
I would feel deeply unmotivated, because I would have no knowledge on anything. School can be a major pain at times, but it's still beneficial and important. I just wish they could cut down the days at times, I mean five school days and TWO days during the weekend? o.o
I mean five school days and TWO days during the weekend? o.o
lol in India, very few schools give saturday as a holiday. my schools only had a holiday on sunday. but i loved going to school so sitting at home on sunday was a more of a pain... ;)
School is okay sometimes, when you're not being bombarded by tests and all that, but to only have 1 day off?! I would go insane.... I look forward to the weekend, because it's the only time I can sleep in.
when you're not being bombarded by tests and all that
lol, i dun really mind the tests. they are okay. if u have a good teacher and understanding of the subject that is.
I look forward to the weekend, because it's the only time I can sleep in
lol my mum believes that on weekends we get a lot more time and energy to study. so i don't really look forward to weekends as much. ;) lol again that is only from my point of view, other mothers may not do the same. but yea i prefer school. its full of people i can be myself with.
school not being there would be a problem. almost all of us have most friends only in school. no school would mean no friends. well almost no friends. this may lead to loneliness and cause depression. also, there would be almost no competition if we were all home-schooled. the competitive spirit would die down. on the other side, sharing would also die down. a child would never learn to share his/her things with others because he/she never did so when they were young and did not go to school.
Life without school is really bad and that means that you spend your life in vain.. In addition, there are many activities, joy, happiness and creativity in the school that you'll never find such kind of events anywhere. Moreover you have great opportunity to make more friends and one the most interesting and unforgettable is that firstly you fall in love especially in your school1
Life without school is really boring. Besides, all the knowledge which you gain , all the friends that you make, all the happiness which you face are due to the school life.
But it doesn't mean that if there won't be school person will not communicate with other people and won't have any friends. I know a lot of people who haven't been at school but they have friends and happiness in their life too.
Life without school....it;s impossible. In my view. we are all need in school. Because school give us experience and prepared to enter to university. It's great chance to become clever and smart, to be teched some new things. without school our life will be impossible.
As a hustler I disagree with you. It's really easy to hustle people who are uneducated. Public schools still give people the means to think critically and not get fooled someone like me.
Actually no, its been proven that America's education system actually degrades critical thinking and although we spend the most money per student, the students are still dumb.
Public educations serves its purpose, to make you smart enough to do work but not smart enough to figure out whats going on.
Yes, and that is why america needs to move to a system which is similar to what is implemented in Finland. Even though reform is necessary theres no need to abolish an institution that promotes critical thinking and literacy.
Its not about reform, the system does what its supposed to, discourage critical thinking and dumb people down.
I believe the intuition needs to be abolished so that schools can be privatized, you have a choice where you go to and there is no political agenda shoved down your throat.
I don't think government grants for private shools are good. A system where private schools don't get encouraged so that they don't affect negatively the integrity of the school system and equality of opportunity or divide children into social groups at age seven is better. There are private schools with political and financial agendas. When money controls schools, the corporations control the learning process.
If you don't like the agenda of a private school you can say no to it and leave, however, if you got to a public school and don't like the agenda you have to get alot of money (considering free schooling drives the cost of schooling up) just to go somewhere else.
As for corpoarions, heres some fun facts you should know:
Corporations just want you to buy their product, thats it.
The government wants you to work for them, fund them, serve them, support them, defend them and even die for them.
I'd rather go to a school controlled by a corporation rather than a government run school.
If you don't like the agenda of a private school you can say no to it and leave
The whole point is that you don't notice the bias or agenda and therefore you don't leave. A small percentage might, but the bias can't be so visible that it would negatively affect its effectiveness. Nevertheless its there.
if you got to a public school and don't like the agenda you have to get alot of money (considering free schooling drives the cost of schooling up) just to go somewhere else.
Is that really better than requiring money to get educated in the first place? Choosing your bias does not equal striving for a system that endorses objectivity.
Corporations just want you to buy their product, thats it.
The government wants you to work for them, fund them, serve them, support them, defend them and even die for them.
Because the government requires such support it can't show attempts to mislead the public in a working democracy. To a corporation however these things are only externalities. Corporations are already misleading people with advertising.
The point for these institutions is to take the choice out of the equation. If it is profitable for people to be less aware of their choices as consumers that will be reflected on schooling.
People of different economic backgrounds going trough different schools is bad for democracy. The poor and the rich would no longer grow up in the same framework and that would create seperation that shows in their attitudes.
A poor child didn't choose his parents so he should be given the same educational foundation as any other child. He is not morally responsible for his inability to pay and as education is a right we must adapt a socialist model in this case.
Is that really better than requiring money to get educated in the first place? Choosing your bias does not equal striving for a system that endorses objectivity.
First off, even with this "Free" education, it snot free you have to pay for it (much more than its worth) and you should never seek biased information, however, government education is much more biased than private education.
Because the government requires such support it can't show attempts to mislead the public in a working democracy. To a corporation however these things are only externalities. Corporations are already misleading people with advertising.
And the government isn't misleading you? The politicians aren't lying, stealing and taking away your liberties? They aren't imposing higher taxes, starting wars and brainwashing people?
Wake up, a corporation just wants to sell their product, a government wants to rule you.
The point for these institutions is to take the choice out of the equation. If it is profitable for people to be less aware of their choices as consumers that will be reflected on schooling.
Choice should be in the equation. As "consumers" it would make more sense to not be indoctrinated into the the government agenda they teach at schools.
People of different economic backgrounds going trough different schools is bad for democracy. The poor and the rich would no longer grow up in the same framework and that would create separation that shows in their attitudes.
First off, bad schools create poor people and most public schools are a disaster. And it doesn't effect democracy, you can vote and have a say in things, it doesn't matter, democracy means everyone has a say, not every receives the same education, pay and housing .
A poor child didn't choose his parents so he should be given the same educational foundation as any other child. He is not morally responsible for his inability to pay and as education is a right we must adapt a socialist model in this case.
First of all, if education was privatized almost everyone could afford it, then add in the factor of competition and schools are now cheaper and better. And for those who can't afford it there would likely still be charity organizations that would pay for them to go to schools and many non-profit schools.
You socialists think that when the government gives something to you that if the government stops there is no other way of it being supplied.
The x420xHustler theory of the world chapter 4.21 (right under the legalization act):
The market is a tool for arranging productive activity but the moral justifications it provides for transaction are sometimes insufficient. A working democracy is necessary to deal with that. A child or someone who lacks knowledge about the matter at hand can't consent in any meaningful sense.
As such the necessary knowledge for everyday transactions needs to provided to everyone from a source that is outside the grasp of money. Failure to arrange such has bad effects for both the market and the democracy.
The x420xHustler theory of morality chapter 4.19 (right before the ethics of weed-smoking):
Some transactions, even though consensual can still be morally wrong. What basis should society seek to be founded on if not on morality? There are reasons other than indoctrination as to why schooling is still mainly handled by the government: a deeper sense that education is a right: Since there is only one objective truth and reality why should we allow different elementary schools that reserve the right to teach whatever they want?
democracy means everyone has a say, not every receives the same education, pay and housing .
A working democracy (unlike that which is in the US) I consider to be a brittle thing that must be watered and taken care of every day. It can be harmed by money interests and centralized government power alike.
bad schools create poor people and most public schools are a disaster
If the question is what system has shown to work the best based on real observations the socialist has a solid basis. It's easy to refer to the United States and jump on the privatization band-wagon, but that would be a much harder case to make in Finland for example.
In the United States, privatization may be beneficial. However it doesn't provide the ideal framework for society in the long run. Since I consider this issue moral you could run me through 200 pages of studies but that would not change my moral views. I am willing to respectfully disagree as you made a good point yourself.
we didnt have mandatory school for the longest time throughout history and we were a free happy species of people, and we were alot smarter and wiser back in the old days (plato days) than we are today...
And no, cuaroc, it makes people harder to control because they arent going through programming, theyre learning on their own.
It might have worked at some point but there is no way in hell it would work now. It would be so much easier to influence younger people with social media or other tools if they didn't have a basic education. The world wasn't as complicated when we didn't have mandatory school. Imagine if our entire country was uneducated, think China might use that to their advantage when it comes to the money we owe them? How would we make decisions to protect our country, fight poverty, or run the government? I don't think we'd be wiser, I think we be uneducated people in a country filled with fast food, danger, and complications. I say fast food because if there's no school and other people haven't gone to school how would they know how unhealthy food affects them? And i don't know about you but when i was little I wasn't very wise about anything and without education we would essentially be little children.
I think you can live a good life without school and if it isn't for you no one should force you to learn anything expect what's necessary and deemed important. I certaintly don't want to imply that people who can't go to school can't live a full life worthy of dignity.
Life without public schools? Definitely good. Life without school altogether, I don't know. Home-schooling has statistically resulted in higher test scores than formal schooling, but there is a social benefit to being in school. It's the easiest way for growing kids to meet people and make friends, and some kids find it easier to learn with other kids around. I'm not sure if the social benefit outweighs the inefficiency with which you learn compared to if you are home-schooled. But I'm inclined to think it doesn't.
