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Mankind isn't the evolved species it claims to be.

killing innocent creations for one's selfish needs and killing it's own kind for greed/hate isn't the characteristic of an evolved specie.

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2 points

I reckon the western world is now at a stage of devolution, the modern generation has taken the english language and ignored most of the nice, long, over-embelished words and replaced them with animalistic, single-syllable grunts. Then there's art, we no longer aim to create the realistic paintings which clearly show a lot of time investment, but replace them with the scribbles and simple junk a child could make. Even warfare rarely includes the close hand to hand combat where strength is key in dtermining the victor, but push buttons and pull triggers to kill someone almost instantaniously, survival in modern war now depends on the luck of hit or miss whereas before there was some sort of skill involved (though not a lot).

Shopping, socialising & studying can all be done from a single room, computers have enabled us to live life without going anywhere. People can work online and make millions without actually doing any labour. While this long rant is obviously subjective, I can't help but feel that the Western world is not what it used to be.

Side: Agree
2 points

This is really tough to explain.

In the modern day perception, evolution means having a greater dominance over the other species, being by mind and power more sharper. However, has anybody ever though about the basic instincts in animals which seperates them from us?

Animals blended with their environment, for they know that it is not wise to disturb the balance. Mankind did not.

Animals did not create differences within their own species. Mankind did.

Animals do not kill members of it's own species. Mankind does.

Animals do not kill members of it's own species for any reason whatsoever, for it realizes that it will only divide the species. Mankind killed, but did not realize.

Animals do not push others down for them to succeed. Man does.

Animals do not work towards the destruction of others of it's own species. Man does.

Thus, all said, I think that man has not evolved as much as it claims.

Side: Agree
1 point

there is still alot we dont know about. lets face it. we dont know wat the hell were talkin about

Side: Agree
1 point

Simply because we are probably the first species to be fully self-aware and conscious, we seem to think we are completely separate from every other species. There is nothing to separate us from ants or apes- we are just another species. No however we have lost the struggle for survival. No that humans are dominant we are lost as a species.

Side: Agree
1 point

Absolutely agree.

How can we as humans (even more specifically western civilization) claim to be an advanced species, when we haven't even learned to get along with each other? We let stupid and trivial differences such as race,religion, sexual preference, and political affiliation, dictate how we feel towards each other? This isn't advanced thinking. This is sh*t for brained, primal instinct kind of thinking. We are still stuck in "Survival of The Fittest" mindset, when we live in a time and age, where it doesn't have to be that way anymore. Instead of being patient and working out the kinks of the complications that arise, we immediately look to slander and tear down each other, just for the sake of preserving our own egotistical pride and ideologies, because God forbid we get along with someone who thinks differently than us. Just look at western culture,Capitalism and Consumerism. We are glorifying and advocating systems and paradigms that place value on the material possessions one has. The one with the most toys wins. If you aren't a CEO or a business owner, or a surgeon, you don't have value. It preaches go to college, get a degree, and blah blah blah,and than you can be a somebody. We promote consumer junkie psychology.

We the people don't even create culture anymore. Culture creates us. Popular culture is no longer a reflection of what is popular in culture. The Media TELLS culture what is popular. What is this doing? Its diminishing our collective creativity. We are disempowered and maintained by electronic media. How much conscious freedom do we really have?

We promote destructive behavior. The media glorifies destructive habits, such as drinking, and smoking tobacco, but when it comes to harmless, beneficial Psychedelic drugs, we are willing to lock someone up for consuming a mushroom that grows naturally in the wild. Think about that for a second. Something that grows on the planet is ILLEGAL. It doesn't make any sense. If we aren't free to experiment with our consciousness and expand it, than what freedom do we really have? One of the very foundations of being human is that we are conscious, and the only one that we are allowed to have, is the one that is created by an electronic media. We aren't glorifying free thinkers, and those who challenge the current social order. We lock them up and demonize them.What does this show about western society (which dictates most of which that goes on in the world)?? We are society that is reclusive and resistant to change. We don't even want to think about alternatives because, we are satisfied with being greedy and selfish. This all come back to Primitive "Survival of the Fittest" psychology. And until people realize that it is going to take some serious sacrifice on our parts (meaning those who are blessed to be in more fortunate situations), we can not move step into the next phase of human psychological evolution. Until we dissolve are petty boundaries that keep us from loving each other, we will continue to kill each other to satisfy our egotistical desires.

Side: Agree

Mankind is cruel to kills animals and then engaging in wars to kill each other.

Side: Agree
3 points

I think you'll find it's exactly the thing an evolved species would do. Having the intelligence that we do, along with our over sized adrenal glands, inevitably leads to conflict. Look at any other species on the planet, and you'll see identical behaviour.

And stop using evolution for ethics.

Side: Disagree
4 points

Basically the point I was going to make, I would add though that those that think we are some sort of evolutionary pinnacle are greatly deluded, and lack a serious understanding of what evolution or more natural selection does.

Also, have an upvote.

Side: Disagree
3 points

Oh yes, I agree completely. Humans are not the best full stop. We are the best at what we are adapted to. Give us some materials and we'll make tools. But try and make us fly, or breathe underwater, or catch zebras, and we fail miserably. Of course, our tools can do this, but we can't.

Side: Disagree
2 points

Exactly, I was pointing this out to Arya in a debate about humans' treatment of animals.

Side: Disagree
AryaOne(217) Disputed
1 point

I don't see animals indulge in holocaust, mass genocide, massacres like nanking, become terrorists and bomb cities.

Animals attack each other for food and security. For survival and security ONLY. Not for greed. Animal species do NOT in any way show identical behaviour.

Side: Agree
ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
1 point

Animals don't engage in those things because they aren't capable of doing it. I can flip that and say that humans are evolved, because animals don't build hospitals, or give to charity, etc.

It's quite ironic that your argument is disagreeing with your premise further than I am. The statement "Animals attack each other for food and security. "" is one that describes survival of the fittest quite nicely.

Animals kill animals. Animals kill people. People kill people. People kill animals. Why are you so shocked?

Side: Disagree
2 points

killing innocent creations for one's selfish needs...isn't the characteristic of an evolved specie.

Biologically, it is. Survival of the fittest. This is exactly how evolution works. Name one other species on the planet that actively works to protect members of another species out of love, not personal benefits. NAME ONE. It ain't pretty, but that is how it works.

Side: Disagree
1 point

........................agreed.............................................

Side: Disagree
AryaOne(217) Disputed
1 point

Killing innocent creations like we do, isn't survival. If it was we would ALL be doing the same thing.

Ever heard of a lion who never killed a deer and ate it? Such a lion doesn't exist.

Every heard of a human who never ate an animal? Yes, there are millions.

Side: Agree
Apollo(1607) Disputed
1 point

Ever heard of a lion who never killed a deer and ate it?

Lions kill deer because they have to to survive.

Every heard of a human who never ate an animal?

Yes, but the vast majority do, regardless of the fact that we are not naturally meat-eators.

Again, name one species that actively tries to protect another species.

Side: Disagree
vandebater(443) Disputed
1 point

yes what your saying is true among animals. I would argue this debate is wether we've evolved PAST the "animal stage" I would say we have despite what you say makes sense. I would argue we've learned to kill other things in a way no "animal" could. Our situation is not survival of the fittest it is survival of the most sophisticated. not saying theres anything wrong with that we are more sophisticated and we did it fair and square, through evolution.

Side: Agree
2 points

no we are perfectly certain of how far evolved we are. The problem is we fucked up along the way and instead of evolving into good, smart beings we have evolved into money crazy beings that have so much going on in our lives we forget to slow down and say i love you to our moms. if we truly were as smart as we think wed all be anarchist. We wouldn't have to fear murders rapes theft and others. If we were smart we wouldn't have wars, money crazy over-capitalist governments, violent regimes like the nazis, and screwed up corporate companies that just keep taking. We are however certain that we are highly evolved due to our intelligence. its what we've evolved into that makes a good debate.

Side: Disagree
2 points

I don't know who is claiming this, but hey haven't really thought it through...

Evolution is a process, not a final state. If you really think about it, EVOLVED = EXTINCT.

mankind isn't extinct, therefore not evolved. Mankind is EVOLVING; continuous process.

Side: Disagree
1 point

Even though Mankind is full of flaws we as a species are still evolving.

Side: Disagree
1 point

Actually growth evolution has stopped....................................................

Side: Agree
blockman123(57) Disputed
2 points

No, that is where you are wrong. Actually research or think before posting. We are evolving at a dramatically slow rate, but that doesn't mean we aren't evolving.

Side: Disagree
1 point

What qualifies a species to be considered evolved then? We have taken the skies by storm. What other species on this planet can claim that? We have sympathy on some level for most species that inhabit this planet. What other species can claim that? We have effect trade and commute systems not only on land but the sea and air. What species can claim that? Killing for greed isnt an arguement for an unevolved species. Its just an arguement that our species has high potiental for violence compared to most other species.

Side: Disagree
AryaOne(217) Disputed
1 point

Refer to this definition of 'evolve/evolution'

a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evolution

Do not confuse it with charles darwin theory of biological evolution.

Side: Agree
1 point

It isn't that we do it, but that we can do it, that makes us evolved.

Side: Disagree