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Marines Urinating on Taliban

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-12/marines-filmed-urinating-on-taliban-corpses/3769308

Marines where caught on cam peeing on taliban corpses. Now with the fact that the taliban has killed and hurt so manny people. What do you think

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7 points

Disregard the "support" tag of "funny." There are only 2 choices offered in the drop-down and neither reflect my view.

"Horrible" is inflammatory and rhetorical as well.

For the record, I am a combat veteran of 8 battles in the Gulf War (Desert Storm) so I speak from the perspective of someone who has taken lives, saved lives and was part of the successful effort to remove an occupying force from an invaded country. (please don't respond with how the US did exactly the same thing or the reason the US declared war and let's stay within the scope of the argument).

The Marines behavior and actions were unnecessary. The act certainly wasn't worth it for any reason.

They will be thrown under the bus, dishonorably discharged (they will have no veteran benefits especially access to mental health treatments for PTSD), probably do a small amount of time like the soldiers from Abhu Graib.

6 Marines are to become 6 convicted felons - not sure if the UCMJ assigns a felony to this - who will never find gainful employment, be seen anywhere once they are identified without scorn and probably head straight for the alcohol and drugs. They are done.

As an aside, this is a valid argument for not labeling certain criminals so they can eventually become productive members of society.

One stupid act that lasted 3 minutes ruined 6 lives and the lives of their spouse/parents/children. The punishment won't fit the crime and people are punished far less for acts that are 100x worse.

There are 3 basic reasons I can see why they urinated on the corpses. *Note: this is an observation.

1.) They were showing utter disregard for the enemy as human beings. The body is an object and humans attach significance to a body based on culture/faith or social norm.

2.) They were, "letting off steam." Getting shot at, living in a brutal environment, having fellow combat troops killed/maimed/disfigured has it toll.

3.) This is considered to be a demoralization tactic (epic fail). It only validated the enemy's view that Americans are infidels.

In regards to No. 1, killing in combat is a soldier/Marine/sailor/airman doing their job. It's a function and the moral choice is in the hands of those who order it. A troop is an instrument.

I engaged enemy soldiers as objects, as obstacles, not as humans. Detachment, apathy, desensitization helps you focus on the mission. A functioning troop is emotionless.

At the same time, there are victims of the same origin as the enemy. Saddam's regime committed as many atrocities on the Iraqi citizens as the they did to the Kurds, Iranians, Shiites and other ethnic groups and as they did to the citizens of Kuwait.

The point of that statement is: A soldier must recognize and separate the victims and non-combatants and provide protection and aid as if they were the people they are defending. I provided first aid to Iraqi citizens who had gunshot/shrapnel and burn wounds. I gave some of my rations to children and elderly.

So there is a dichotomy.

In closing, I do not think the Marines should be ruined but they should have some form of punishment. Our government and military should not have made knee-jerk over-the-top statements as if these Marines had been out clubbing baby harp seals.

And the Taliban are a people whose behavior, beliefs and actions are far more unacceptable than the actions of these Marines. They have no regard for the lives of the innocent. They commit atrocious actions against women. They are intolerant with no redeeming qualities.

I have no facts or figures but it's not necessary.

They can move to another planet and make their own rules where no one else will be subjected.

Side: Stupid
Inzababa(34) Disputed
2 points

THIS ---------I have no facts or figures but it's not necessary.--------

is typical.

I could say "Americans are no better"

they kidnap, detain and torture around the world (officially), they invade and go to war for financial/economic reasons, they shoot innocent people and support corrupt regimes.

I on the other hand, do have facts, figures, testimonies, witness accounts and videos and it does matter.

----They can move to another planet and make their own rules where no one else will be subjected.

This applies to America as well. The way I see it, there are a hell of a lot more people subjected to American rules than any one else.

PS why the need, in a debate about how ethical it is to urinate on a dead body, be it a Taliban dead body, do you feel the need include political and nationalistic arguments?

What's the consequence of that? Posts like mine.

Hate breeds hate.

Side: Horrible.
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
4 points

I have facts as well...9 /11

Side: Stupid
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
2 points

Can you not see that the punishment was not awarded on the action itself, but its ramifications? Members of the army from most countries have raped citizens illegally, I'd bet, and there are many videos that I've seen just on youtube that talk of much worse things that urinating on the enemy, but the people are barely punished. However, here, because the video, to some extent, went viral, it had a large negative effect on US-Taliban relations, and they were punished according to that.

And also, I find it exceptionally ignorant of you to so absolutely disregard the Taliban as good people. Large steps have been made towards by peace by them in recent months, attacks have largely stopped by the Taliban, and their beliefs are progressing to a modern position. To say that they have no regard for the lives of the innocent, and are intolerant with no redeeming qualities, are two statements that are inherently wrong.

Side: wrong
desrt2(9) Clarified
3 points

You've shown disregard for the confines of the debate. Calling a person ignorant is inflammatory and will not win an argument. Have you considered that the Taliban, present themselves as progressing towards peace and human rights merely to support the removal of American forces from Afghanistan and will return to their pre-war behavior as soon as we leave?

As an example:

"Shi’ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki created the worst political crisis in a year on Dec. 19 when he sought the removal of two senior Sunni politicians, a day after the last U.S. troops left Iraq. On Dec. 22, bombs in predominately Shi’ite parts of Iraq’s capital killed 72."

-International News, France 24

434 deaths in Iraq (between December 31 2011 and January 24 2012) occurred from hostile activity since the last US Soldier left Iraq.

-The New York Times

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT

Published: January 27, 2012

The Taliban are likely to make a large sweep and kill or punish every person who aided the US and it's allies. Back to business as usual and probably worse.

I will clarify my initial statement; I consider the Taliban (in the derogatory since of the word) and their extension - Al Queda - to be those persons in the Taliban community that enforce those portions of their laws that the world, as a whole, reject, not every man woman and child who live under their rule.

It's reasonable to say that what they do to women, how they treat them and the lack of value they place on them is unacceptable by the majority of the civilized world.

Here is a helpful outline of a constructive argument:

Argument:

Proposition or Statement

A statement is either true or false

Premise

Inference

Conclusion

Formal and informal arguments:

Standard argument types

Deductive arguments

Validity

Soundness

Inductive arguments

Defeasible arguments

Argument by analogy

Transitional arguments

Other kinds of arguments

Argument in fuzzy logic

World-disclosing arguments

Explanations and arguments

Fallacies and non arguments

An argument can also be called a logic statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

Further reading:

Opinions should be substantiated or they lose credibility or they might be outright rejected.

By the way, you might want to change this statement, "Members of the army from most countries have raped citizens illegally."

Rape is not legal or polite in most countries although, I'm guessing, without reading the Sharia texts, that rape as defined - The act of sexual intercourse against a person's will by means of force, violence, duress, menace, or fear of immediate and unlawful bodily injury on the person or another - is perfectly legal for the Taliban.

This rebuttle is directed for the comments of BenWalters so is not outside the scope of the argument.

Supporting Evidence: Structure of an Argument (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: Funny.
1 point

I sound kinda like a dick but its hard for me to listen to someone's opinion on this and take it serous if they never been in a combat zone or at least have served . I can safely say that they have no clue about how thing go down. it it pisses me off if they get judge mental and self righteous about something they no nothing about and therefor sound ridiculous

Side: Funny.
Sitara(11101) Clarified
1 point

Can you listen to someone's opinion if they respect you ?

Side: Funny.
3 points

They were urinating on bodies. Empty shells. There is nothing left to the bodies, it is no different than urinating on a tree. It would be horrible were the bodies those of living people, but considering that the bodies were void of life, I can take no objection toward such acts.

Side: Funny.
zombee(1028) Disputed
6 points

So they had to pee and there just happened to be human corpses in the way? If you're apathetic to it, fine, but I think it's silly to speak as though actions don't have messages behind them. They were saying something by doing this.

Side: Horrible.
Liber(1730) Disputed
2 points

I was not trying to say that there was no message behind the act, nor that the act was - as the misleading tag states - funny, but rather that the taking of offense is infantile and that anyone ought to be able to see that a body is void of life and therefore no more valuable than a toilet.

Side: Funny.
ThePyg(6756) Disputed
2 points

What exactly was it that they were saying?

And when you tell me that, what is the significance behind that message?

Side: Funny.
hhioh(454) Disputed
2 points

Surely you must understand though that, even if they are empty shells, it is the symbolic nature of the event that makes it horrible. Using your logic, is it then OK to rape a dead body? Because you say that they are 'empty shells' and so, from what I can assume, you would believe that once one 'dies' there body becomes yet another object. Would you be fine with your mother's body (if dead) getting raped?

Side: Horrible.
2 points

If someone rapes my mother's dead body, yes nerves will be hit. But like liber said, it is an empty shell. I won't allow it but then again, it is just an empty shell.

Side: Horrible.
Arcane(59) Disputed
2 points

It doesn't matter that they were as you say 'empty shells'. They relieved themselves onto the bodies of people who thought they were doing a justifiable cause. It is the act that is disgusting. Putting waste on someone else just because you do not agree with their beliefs is a shameful act. Even when the Taliban have killed numerous American soliders does not mean you have to degrade what is left of them.

Side: Horrible.
2 points

I agree with you as well Liber. Outside the human morality, this is acceptable. In one sense, there is no difference between uriniating on the ground and urinating on the dead body.

Those who dispute your argument are those who speak with their morality. I believe that it is morality that tells us that it is wrong. Surely, your nerves must be hit if you find someone urinating on your love one. That is morality, love, and respect speaking.

I could be wrong.

Side: Funny.
Bohemian(3868) Disputed
3 points

Regardless of whether you personally find it right or wrong, the friends and family of the dead do and will find it wrong and offensive. This fact alone is insignificant, but understand that causing unnecessary resentment may lead to retaliation and death of yet more people. "Winning hearts and Minds" isn't just some BS propaganda slogan, it's a matter of safety and making sure we aren't fighting the same people 10 years from now.

Side: Horrible.
Inzababa(34) Disputed
2 points

so why do all cultures respect dead bodies?

Why do all cultures have some sort of rite for dead bodies, from cremating to burrial, to prayers, to speeches.

Whether it's in the USA or Africa, Europe or Asia, there's a good reason why when someone dies, the body is treated with respect.

An empty shell? Tell that to the whole world.

Side: wrong
Liber(1730) Disputed
2 points

I am afraid that my knowledge of ethnology and social customs in that it pertains to death and the remaining body is limited, and I cannot think offhand of any culture which disrespects the corpse; still, I would not say that all cultures respect the corpse, for there are many cultures and many different systems of belief.

An empty shell? Tell that to the whole world.

Considering that I announced my belief on a public, online website, I believe that I did "tell it to the world" just about as well as I possibly could.

Side: Funny.
cwongie(60) Disputed
2 points

So would you not have anything against a Taliban urinating on a dead American hero? What if it was the dead body of the President?

They're not JUST empty shells.

Side: Horrible.
Liber(1730) Disputed
2 points

So would you not have anything against a Taliban urinating on a dead American hero?

No.

What if it was the dead body of the President?

What would that matter? A dead body is a dead body, no matter the position in life.

They're not JUST empty shells.

Your point?

Side: Funny.
3 points

Again, disregard the Funny/Horrible tags. I wrote the Customer Service rep to discuss this and changes are being made. The choice of only 2 items are inflammatory. Although that often is a catalyst in passionate debate.

I asked that people keep their positions, premises and arguments objective so that their would be a benefit to the argument rather than party mantras. I hope that the responders who ignored this request will refrain from that in future debates, otherwise, you encourage trolls.

There is no point in debate if the other side sees no value in learning or looking from another perspective or have overlooked a relevant point. Otherwise, you're only talking at a blank wall.

I thought the argument about pissing on someone's mother was valid. Although, without morality (like another person stated), the action itself is merely functional. As someone stated, they could have been pissing on a rock although, clearly, that wasn't their intention.

Morality is completely subjective. If I were an atheist then I would make up my own rules where mostly I would only refrain from wrongful acts (as defined by social norms, society and mores) if I would get caught or the results wouldn't be worth the act. Excluding acts that EVERYONE considers reprehensible - like eating babies or spilling beer. That's just me though. My intention is not to make a blanket statement about atheists. My best friend is an atheist and I would give him a kidney if he needed one.

Regardless of your position on their actions and our presence in a foreign country engaged in combat, I think it's reasonable to say that their action back fired.

I've enjoyed debates where I was asked to argue on behalf of the opposition. You end up learning things you might not have otherwise. As an analogy, the best cop was a criminal never caught. The best criminal is a cop. The best defense attorney is one that was a prosecutor and the best prosecutor is one who was a defense attorney; you learn the weakness of the other by being in their shoes.

I placed my life on the line for the rights of my opposition to argue freely. I fought for the rights of people who have lived under tyranny, torture, and constant fear of death to have the opportunity to live freely.

For those who have never served in combat - and again, I ask you to walk a mile in someone else's shoes - you cannot understand what it's like to be a Soldier/Marine/Sailor/Airman or a victim.

Thanks to everyone and next time you enter into an argument, be respectful. You'll never win or progress by attacking someone's character or not offering them a valid non-inflammatory or unoriginal response/premise to consider.

Side: Funny.
3 points

the taliban are horrible people and deserve this punishment. I see no reason why not to do something like this

Side: Funny.
3 points

i would not use the word funny, id say give them a round of applause and give the marines a medal, . or perhaps the bodies were on fire, and they wanted to put it out, to stop the fire spreading.

Side: Funny.
2 points

Well, if the choices are funny or horrible, I guess this side.

Stupid is a better description though. We know Taliban is insane. We know we have to win the hearts and minds of not-insane people in Afghanistan. Why give Taliban ammunition to recruit?

Unfortunately those marines need to be discharged quickly, and probably dishonorably. Which is too bad because they may very well have been good soldiers.

If you absolutely have to pee on a dead body, for god's sake make sure no one is recording.

Side: Stupid
garry77777(1797) Disputed
4 points

"We know Taliban is insane."

Really, how do you that? From the world class journalism the US mainstream media provides?

"We know we have to win the hearts and minds of not-insane people in Afghanistan."

Yes, you have to try to make them happy and contented with their servitude, and US puppet regime.

"Why give Taliban ammunition to recruit?"

I don't think it takes a genius to realise this was far from an isolated incident. This kind of behaviour is institutional in the US army, of that I have very little doubt.

Side: Horrible.
iamdavidh(4871) Disputed
3 points

Really, how do you that? From the world class journalism the US mainstream media provides?

View above answer. I do know they are insane. It is also a horrible political system and no country should allow them power within their borders.

Yes, you have to try to make them happy and contented with their servitude, and US puppet regime.

No, you have to have some compassion for a people under the thumb of one horrid government after another. Perhaps you believe shitting in holes in the ground and wiping with your hand and women treated like slaves is preferable to being a U.S. ally, but at least give them the option asshole.

I don't think it takes a genius to realize this was far from an isolated incident. This kind of behaviour is institutional in the US army, of that I have very little doubt.

So I need proof a documented political group who has actually been in power in countries is insane. But you see one video of soldiers peeing on a corpse and now they all do it?

Gotcha ._.

Side: Stupid
Bohemian(3868) Disputed
2 points

This kind of behaviour is institutional in the US army, of that I have very little doubt.

And that is why you are wrong. The U.S. army is made up of many many individuals, many of whom may have specific prejudices especially against the people that were just trying to kill them moments ago. The Army does it's best to reign in these prejudices because quiet frankly they can interfere with the Mission objective. I know this because I have personally sat through countless hours of power-point slideshows stressing the importance of "winning hearts and Minds", working with Local Nationals, and understanding the culture, and there are numerous codes that deal disciplinary action against soldiers who deliberately disrespect Afghans. I have have personally written up some of these Disciplinary Actions myself. The very fact that these Marines (not soldiers) are being punished is direct proof that the exact opposite of what you're saying is actually true.

The U.S. army, and the U.S. Armed forces as a whole are constantly under a microscope, and are held to very high standards. You are only able to criticize because U.S. armed forces are very open about what they do, perhaps more so than virtually any other military on the Planet. I can tell you the U.S. Military is one of the few in the world that will provide medical aid to injured enemy combatants. Not many other Military forces will do that. We are over 1 million strong, so of course you are going to have some bigots in there, and understandably so.

I can say with complete confidence that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So please continue to peddle your ignorance and I will be here to correct you.

PS. Marines aren't part of the Army, fyi.

Side: Funny.
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
3 points

I'd hesitate before calling any politically recognised organisation insane. It sounds more like you're thinking of Al-Qaeda, there's a big difference.

Side: Horrible.
iamdavidh(4871) Disputed
2 points

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

I mean...

While in power, the Taliban enforced one of the strictest interpretations of Sharia law ever seen in the Muslim world,[7] and leading Muslims have been highly critical of the Taliban interpretations of Islamic law.[8] The Taliban were condemned internationally for their brutal repression of women. Most Taliban leaders were influenced by Deobandi fundamentalism,[9] and many also strictly follow the social and cultural norm called Pashtunwali.[10] The Taliban movement is primarily made up of members belonging to Pashtun tribes, the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan.[11]

Nah, not insane at all. Women are cattle and all that.

Side: Stupid

Maybe they had one too many beers and they 3really had to go and their judgement was impaired ;-)

Side: Funny.
2 points

. .

Side: Funny.
Inzababa(34) Disputed
2 points

---But those men did not eye for an eye read your bible if you forgot..

Do you know why they did that?

edit : they? who's "they"?

Side: wrong
2 points

Maybe it comes from my constant playing of Modern Warfare and other shooters that shit like this seems... funny.

Like, when you kill someone and then emulate tea-bagging over their dead body. It's about humiliation. We won, you lost, now suck on this.

War is a video game and the soldiers are the players. The Taliban lost this one since they're dead. It doesn't even matter if he shot his own claymore, the opposing force still has the right to teabag their enemy.

Now, maybe I'm too separated from reality, but I've never given that much of a shit about the dead. If my grandfather was fighting some Korean and ended up getting teabagged by that Korean after dying, i would say that I hope that Korean dies.

And why the fuck not? It's fuckin' war. I'm quite sure the families of those Taliban soldiers are also thinking "man, I hope someone kills those Americunts", and with every right. We're at war, get over it.

inb4 this isn't a real war.

Side: Funny.
Bohemian(3868) Disputed
3 points

It's fuckin' war. I'm quite sure the families of those Taliban soldiers are also thinking "man, I hope someone kills those Americunts", and with every right.

That's the point. This is the exact kind of sentiment we are trying to avoid. Being unnecessarily and intentionally disrespectful then becomes a recruitment tool for the Taliban. Why the fuck would we want that? We don't want to give them a reason to take up arms against us more than we already have. We need to be as professional as possible, this isn't a video game. You seem to have some naive misconceptions about what war is.

Side: Horrible.
ThePyg(6756) Disputed
2 points

Well, aside with how we've handled this war so far and the goals of the war in total, I am against the War in general.

I do not support the Taliban. I do not support the troops. I believe that in an already fucked up situation, peeing on dead Taliban is just funny.

Side: Funny.
garry77777(1797) Disputed
2 points

"other shooters that shit like this seems... funny."

I wonder would you still be smiling if it was your friends and family lying on the ground dead and being pissed on.

"Like, when you kill someone and then emulate tea-bagging over their dead body. It's about humiliation."

So, you should never have respect for your opponent?

"We won, you lost, now suck on this"

Thats one of the most dishonourable things I've ever heard. There's only one thing worse than a bad loser, and thats a bad winner.

"War is a video game and the soldiers are the players."

No, war is real, join your army and you'll find that out pretty fucking quickly.

"The Taliban lost this one since they're dead."

The Taliban never had a chance, when the Russian's invaded the Taliban were a pretty strong fighting force, especially given the training and weaponry they received from the CIA, they had about 100,000 well trained, well armed fighters, but the war with Russia devastated them, whilst also causing Russia severe damage. This really didn't change all that much in the 20 years after the war, so when the US invaded, they were always going to roll over them pretty easily, however I'm still amazed at their resilience, they jsut don't fucking give up, no matter how badly you bomb them, or kill them, or hunt them down with drones, they still try to pick you off any way they can, this is why you've lost in Afghanistan, you jsut don't know it yet.

"It doesn't even matter if he shot his own claymore, the opposing force still has the right to teabag their enemy."

They have no such right, they have the chioce, they choose to do it because they have no respect.

"Now, maybe I'm too separated from reality"

No you're pretty in line with most americans, especailly the army, like when Mrs. Clinton said it wasn't consistent with american values, she must have been neglecting the entire history of US foreigh policy. It's entirely consistent with the values if the US military has demonstrated overseas.

"I'm quite sure the families of those Taliban soldiers"

How do you know they are Taliban? I mean really, they don't seem to have any weapons, they look quite young, maybe they took them before they started pissing on them, how are we to know? Maybe they were Taliban, but they still had no weapons, all I can see is an overturned wheelbarrow.And please don't come back with "US marines wouldn't kill innocents and piss on them" or " they wouldn't have killed them if they were unarmed" because thats bull.

"We're at war, get over it"

You're occupying another persons country, you are occupiers, you invaded a country that never threatened you in any way militarily. Don't call this a war as if it sanitises what you've done, the whole world can see what you do.

Side: Horrible.
ThePyg(6756) Disputed
2 points

I wonder would you still be smiling if it was your friends and family lying on the ground dead and being pissed on.

A great analogy for this bullshit would be: Do you smile when you fuck your girlfriend? Now, would you smile if someone else fucked your girlfriend?

So, you should never have respect for your opponent?

I don't just give out respect. Unless they gave me a good fight, I ain't gonna respect shit.

bad winner

Bad, good. it's all good, baby babeh.

No, war is real, join your army and you'll find that out pretty fucking quickly

Hellooooooo Mr. Literal.

The Taliban never had a chance...

Cool story, bro.

They have no such right, they have the chioce, they choose to do it because they have no respect.

Well, right means they're allowed. To me... they should be allowed.

No you're pretty in line with most americans

Oh, thank goodness. I thought I was a sociopath, for a sec.

How do you know they are Taliban?

How do you know that General Relativity is true? No one knows. Let's just assume, since everyone is saying they are. If it turns out they were innocents... sure, condemn them. Currently, though, that is not the case.

You're occupying another persons country

Glad I got inb4 you did, but I'm not talking legal War.

I suppose you don't know my position on most of these things, but I see the whole situation as a fucked up situation (including the warccupation). However, I STILL don't give a shit if some marines piss on dead taliban members.

Side: Funny.
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
2 points

Its funny because it seems as if you support the Taliban. I certainly hope that isn't the case. That would be exactly what you accuse everyone else and I mean EVERYONE of being which is of course ignorant.

Side: Stupid
AverageJoe2(1) Disputed
0 points

In terms of "celebrating a victory" as in gaming and competition, i see where you're coming from.

If it where a game of ping-pong, and you would do a victory dance, it would be appropriate, since the nature of the game is trying to win it. In the same way the Marines won this round of the war-game.

Yet, is a "victory dance" appropriate in the case of a war? What is the goal achieved that they are celebrating?

For them, killing or capturing the opposing soldiers is their goal. Yet on a higher level, the intent of war is to bring peace and happiness to as many as people as possible (ironically enough). And having to go to war to achieve that is the last resort solution after everything else has failed.

So in conclusion, what peeing on those corpses is also saying is "here we celebrate that we did not find a peaceful way out of this conflict, and feel fine and happy with settling this issue in this manner."

Side: Horrible.
ThePyg(6756) Disputed
2 points

Marines are not the same as politicians who tell them to go kill people.

Marines' goals are victory over the enemy.

What politicians say is the goal is their excuse, not the military's. We're hiring people to kill others; I hardly see where we expect them to be civil and decent.

Side: Funny.
2 points

i dont really find this topic funny as much as stupid, i really don't see a reason for the marines to pee on the Taliban, but i could care less what they did with the bodys. although i do think that the marines should not have done it because america should hold a higher standard for what our men do, however i just cant call it a horrible thing to do.

Side: Funny.
2 points

dead men's bodies don't deserve respects. they're just bodies, that's all. it's as if the marines were urinating on rocks. moreover, they're Taliban, the ones who plunged this world into terror, they deserve nothing but death and disrespect!!!

if you dispute my argument, you must be speaking with morality... oh come on, showing morality toward the dead?the terrorists?

Side: Funny.
garry77777(1797) Disputed
2 points

"moreover, they're Taliban,"

How do you know that? From looking at the video they look like very young, more boys than men, I don't see any guns near their bodies, I mean did they remove the weapons these supposed fighters had on them before they decided to piss on them, just because we've been told they were taliban fighters doesn't make it so, I can see a wheelbarrow near their corpses, what kind of terrorist shows up to a gun fight with a wheelbarrow and no gun?

"the ones who plunged this world into terror"

This the exact opposite of the truth, the Taliban never attacked anyone outside their own country, you're thinking of AL Queda. Al Queda attack on the twin towers was not a act of war, it was a crime, but the US treated it as a act of war an invaded two countries that had nothing to do with it, and launced a war of terror on anyone who disagreed with them.

"they deserve nothing but death and disrespect!!! "

Maybe you deserve nothing but death adn disrespect, seriously people as uninformed as you are dangerous, I just hope you never get any real power.

"if you dispute my argument, you must be speaking with morality... oh come on, showing morality toward the dead?the terrorists?"

The US are responsible for up to 600,000 dead in Iraq since 2003, does that not make them terrorists?

Really, you have a funny definition of the word terrorist, like when US troops level the Iraqi town of fallujah, killing thousands of people in one day, women and children being blown into little pieces, thats just collateral damage, not terrorism, cause when you do it, it can't be called terrorism, right?

What the US sanctions on Iraq that casued the deaths of 500,000 children by starvation and lack of proper healthcare, is that not terrorism?

The US wanted to cripple Saddams regime because their former puppet was no longer playing by their rules(see video)

Madeleine Albright says its worth it
Side: Horrible.
Maplecat(70) Clarified
2 points

~Im not actually clarifying, i just chose this because I am nuetral and bringing up something that influences peoples opinions.~

A reason it is considered so horrible is because of religion and personal morals.

Side: Funny.
2 points

Just hilarious. I've peed on a few myself. I mean it's just so fun.

Side: Funny.
2 points

thats hilarious seeing a really mature marine helping ur country pissin on a tali witch all they do is kill themselves anyways so aw well

Side: Funny.
2 points

I don't think it's funny, but I don't think it's "horrible" either. Yes, they should have respected the lives they had just taken, but you know what? I'm not in their shoes. I can't judge their actions if I have never been in a situation remotely like their's.

Side: Funny.
2 points

We ask our YOUNG servicemen and women to go into countries and participate in God only knows…things that we as normal citizens can't even fathom. They put their lives on the line for us…risking it all, life and limb. They witness friends die horrible deaths.

They do this peeing thing and they are treated like this? Outrageous. It might not have been the best idea…but geese oh petes. Do you think that our enemies families care that our military is treated poorly? Ask Daniel Pearls family what they think? Ask any POW how they were treated….

They should lose a weeks pay and thats it.

Side: Funny.
2 points

Not funny per se; I'm sorry the Marines let those pics into the public without concealing their identities. I honestly could care less about the dead hadji's getting desecrated but the Marines represent America so they should have done more to protect the image of our country.

Side: Funny.
2 points

In the beginning I judged them, but I have realized that I am wrong. I would have done the same thing.

Side: Funny.
1 point

Oh they get to blow up the fucking twin towers but we can't do the natural thing and go to the bathroom, outdoors. Bull crap.

Side: Funny.
11 points

Unacceptable. By any standard. How are we supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard than our enemies if we so freely commit deplorable acts?

How are we any better than our enemies?

This is disgusting. The soldiers should be dishonorably discharged immediately.

Killing a human should (even in war) be a burden, not something funny.

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Shame on them.

Side: Horrible.
2 points

It is weird how we think that it is unacceptable. But i think the reason is morality. Morality is the reason why we find this act horrible and why we find the death of a bird no different than the death of the child.

It is within the human mind, the human morality, which concludes this act as a horrible act. But outside morality, this act is acceptable and the death of a bird is equal in comparision to the death of a child. I have no evidence, so i can't this is knowledge. But i believe this is true.

Side: Horrible.
2 points

Morality is absolutely what makes us "better" than them. But morality is HIGHLY subjective. They believe themselves to be fulfilling the will of God (wrongly), and, thefroe, believe their actions to be infallible.

Morality is the reason why we find this act horrible and why we find the death of a bird no different than the death of the child.

Our morality is almost entirely based on societal acceptance of things. Birds are not equal members of human society as humans, and it would be illogical to treat them as such. Of course some believe they are more equal than other, but I don't think anyone see them as equal members of society.

have no evidence, so i can't this is knowledge. But i believe this is true.

Well, it can't be proven; but I completely agree with you.

Side: Horrible.
Liber(1730) Disputed
0 points

How are we supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard than our enemies if we so freely commit deplorable acts?

To which acts are you referring?

How are we any better than our enemies?

We (and I use this term very generally, as do you) kill, just as they kill. Is there really any difference? Sure, the intended victims may be different, but killing is killing.

This is disgusting.

How is urinating on a dead body any worse than causing a body to be dead in the first place?

Side: Funny.
TheThinker(1850) Disputed
0 points

To which acts are you referring

He meant the urination on the dead bodies.

How is urination on a dead body any worse than causing a body to be dead in the first place?

It doesn't but this is really percpetional. I personally would find it more disrespectful if the killer of my friend urinated on my friend's body than the fact that the killer killed my friend. It is morality, i believe, that tells me it is a GREAT disrespect.

If a lot of people would disagree with me on this, then i am wrong. Im assuming that my morality is no different than a sane's person morality.

Side: Horrible.
Apollo(1607) Disputed
0 points

To which acts are you referring?

I reject the notion you are insinuating.

We (and I use this term very generally, as do you) kill, just as they kill. Is there really any difference?

In the acts themselves, no.

Sure, the intended victims may be different, but killing is killing.

At a superficial level, yes.

How is urinating on a dead body any worse than causing a body to be dead in the first place?

It has to do with standards at which we (US armed forces) purport to conduct ourselves. Whether or not these standards are warranted (what you are arguing) is irrelevant to their existence. One can't merely obey the laws they agree with.

We claim to be civilized, both our society and our military. Urinating on the dead is not the action of a civilized society.

Side: Horrible.
0 points

Totally agree. I'm surprised to see how many people think it's funny.

Side: Horrible.
2 points

That is definitely bad, and I am certainly not trying to justify them when I say this, but it is kind of understandable. The Taliban are trying to terrorize and destroy destroy our country, the very thing these soldiers are sacrificing their lives for. And then after watching their their fellow soldiers and friends being slaughtered, and sometimes even tortured by these people, I can certainly see their anger and disdain towards these people. Again, i am not saying what they did is acceptably, I am merely pointing out that I can understand their bitterness.

Side: Horrible.
garry77777(1797) Disputed
5 points

"The Taliban are trying to terrorize and destroy destroy our country"

Not true, the Taliban have never done anything to terrorise your country, they also had no desire to destroy your country.

"the very thing these soldiers are sacrificing their lives for."

The US army aren't fighting for anyones freedom or safety, history will record that as the single biggest falsehood ever told.

"And then after watching their their fellow soldiers and friends being slaughtered,"

Get over yourself, you're in their country, try to imagine the situation reversed, and then please try to realise how stupid you sound.

"and sometimes even tortured by these people,"

Actually the US are doing far more torturing these days than anyone else, I can assure you.

"I can certainly see their anger and disdain towards these people."

Ya, of course, its completely justified.

"I am merely pointing out that I can understand their bitterness."

No, you're trying to justify it, unfortunately for you anyone with a brain can see through this sentimental bullshit, and I really mean it when I say BULLSHIT, cause that's exactly what is.

Side: Funny.
The Phantom(456) Disputed
2 points

The US army aren't fighting for anyones freedom or safety, history will record that as the single biggest falsehood ever told.

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!! THE US ARMY IS NOT FIGHTING FOR ANYONE'S FREEDOM AND SAFETY?!?!?!?! What the heck? Are you even from America? I know plenty of people who have lost limbs, friends and relatives, because they fought for our safety. That statement alone proves how little you know. Go look up the civil war or somethin then come back and tell me how they don't fight for anyone's freedom.

Get over yourself, you're in their country, try to imagine the situation reversed, and then please try to realise how stupid you sound.

Ok lets imagine the situation reversed. So now they are slaughtering our soldiers AND citizens. "After the attacks of September 11, 2001 the Taliban were overthrown by Operation Enduring Freedom. Later it regrouped as an insurgency movement to fight the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (established in late 2001) and the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF). They use terrorism as a specific tactic to further their ideological and political goals. According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 75% of civilian casualties in 2010 and 80% in 2011. Today the Taliban operate in Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan. It is believed one of their current major headquarters is near Quetta in Pakistan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Ya, of course, its completely justified.

Oh really??? Well I guess that's just your opinion. Because if you read my argument, that's exactly what i said its NOT.

No, you're trying to justify it, unfortunately for you anyone with a brain can see through this sentimental bullshit, and I really mean it when I say BULLSHIT, cause that's exactly what is.

No, there is a reason i tagged my argument as horrible, unlike you, who tagged it as funny.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

"The Taliban are trying to terrorize and destroy destroy our country"

Not true, the Taliban have never done anything to terrorise your country, they also had no desire to destroy your country.

They might now however. If I were Taliban, I sure as hell would.

Side: Funny.
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

Oh dear lord, the Taliban have no desire to destroy our country. It is impossible to argue with you.

Side: Stupid
2 points

I think it is wrong because, personally, I think every person deserves respect in death. By urinating on the corpses it immediately takes that respect away. It doesn't matter if they were members of the Taliban, a person is a person at the end of the day. Also, what point does it serve? They weren't really gaining anything from it and so were most likely doing it to cause a fuss and/or seem superior which is just plain silly.

Side: wrong
2 points

This shows lack of professionalism. These soldiers jobs is to kill the Taliban, but respect towards your opponent is custom on the battlefield

Side: Horrible.
JARHEAD74(75) Disputed
1 point

have you ever been in combat? or near it? the respect thing you speak of is a nice idea but only a romantic notion especially these days when the media makes our Nemesis out to be evil and our training does not allow for that respect . I of course am not say what they did was OK but it never should of went down the way it did for them . the media is a plague in war time these days in so many ways

Side: Funny.
1 point

Thank you for your service. I may or may not support the wars you fought in, but I support you. Every country needs people like you to help keep them safe. God bless. :)

Side: Funny.
1 point

That is not horrible it is crude and revolting. That is also prejudice. Everyone is evil and does bad things and maybe the Taliban made a mistake. ( A big one that really hurt some people) but if you got peed on when you were dead because you did something wrong you wouldn't have a reason to object but you would have all the reason to say why they should. Remember every story as two (or more) sides to it.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

I see three dead humans in a hand dug excavation, laying alongside a wheelbarrow. They had on white and blue clothing, which means they were not likely hiding, but obviously the crime of having a wheelbarrow makes them terrorists farmers. Killing them was enough, no real need to piss on their faces and giggle as well. Typical of the crimes of war...nothing new, other than they don't usually film it. There was never a good war or a bad peace, but we have not learned that yet.

Supporting Evidence: Dead Muslims by Wheelbarrow. (www.blinkx.com)
Side: Horrible.

Can anyone support their actions with a logical argument?

Side: Horrible.
1 point

The American ideals are that they are arrogantly better than the rest of the world without ever having set foot INTO the rest of the world and the idea that the Americans would desecrate the bodies of even their enemies is disgusting this idea is mortifying they are people like you and i and if some asshole Taliban came and pissed all over your dead body on the middle of the battlefield your ghost would probably be pissed and haunt that guy...

Side: Horrible.
Scalvanger(6) Disputed
1 point

Funny, because almost every American does not view themselves better than everyone else. Sure you will get the occasional crazy one, but the vast majority? Stop generalizing.

For the record, I am strongly against urinating on Taliban members. Regardless of the atrocities that said Taliban members may or may not have committed.

Side: Funny.
1 point

Disgusting, and it is exactly the kind of bad rep we in the military and even just Americans in general really need...

I swear it is always the Marines...

Side: Horrible.
1 point

My thoughts exactly.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

It's horrible it was filmed...but I'm glad they did it and they were able to relieve some stress!! I support those guys 100%...but...oops...shit happens. Oh well. These soldiers may have just mowed down 100 people, but now you're upset because they went to the bathroom...lol..humans. This might be a good thing though...maybe we'll realize we don't need to police the rest of the world and stuff like this is going to continually happen..hence...saving American Soldiers' lives when we stop sending underpaid soldiers overseas.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

Even though the Taliban are sick idiots (most of them), you should never disgrace a human being like that.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

The Taliban banks on the United States moral superiority when they fight us a few individuals pissing is not going to change the fact that we are in fact morally superior. Because contrary to what many might believe morals are generally not relative.

Side: Stupid
1 point

Horrible AND stupid. It does not matter who the person was, the body (not necessarily the soul) is a pure thing and it is extremely inhumane to perform this act.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

Jesus would not do that. He is the example that we should follow, Christian or not.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

Absolutely disgraceful. It puts them even lower than the guys they're persecuting.

Side: Horrible.
1 point

it's horrible.

i mean the marins that did it should be in jail because that's Discrimination.

Side: Horrible.
0 points

MOFOING!!!!! THE AMERICANS R no better than the taliban if u ask me

Side: Horrible.
2 points

u have right

i mean al-qaida did the 9/11 attack for a reason.

and the reason it's that USA invaded their country, killing innocent people, kidnapped their children and imprisoned them for oil. and since that Iraq did not resist al-qaeda did

Side: Horrible.
1 point

Of course i don't agree with 9/11, and respect the phrase "never dance on another mans grave" but one persons views can differ enormously compared to someone else's. American troops should not urinate on the Taliban! However ridiculous that sounds. Of course, they do it to the Americans, they say "lets nuke the place!" the Americans do it to them "lol." It's disgusting, no wonder they're loosing the war ( i made a debate about Afghanistan, go see.) As i am speaking, RT reporters are talking about the twin tower attacks. The Americans have done far more wrong in other countries. But they're still going on about it.

Side: Horrible.
Scalvanger(6) Disputed
1 point

Interestingly enough, no-one asked you.

Please stop generalizing. Say "THOSE AMERICANS R no better than the Taliban". In this case you would be referring to the people who committed the act, not everybody and their grandmother.

And on an ending note: Thanks for putting me on the level of suicide bombers who are out killing innocents.

Side: Funny.