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Marxism is responsible for more deaths than all other religions combined.

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ATTEMPTING THE IMPOSSIBLE – CALCULATING CAPITALISM’S DEATH TOLL

5 years of drone strikes used to maintain US military dominance in the Middle East for the purpose of securing trade routes and oil reserves – 2,400 dead [11][12]

Syrian Civil War caused by the US’ funding of Syrian rebels as well as the terrorist organization Al Nusra in an attempt to overthrow the Syrian government [13][14][15][16] – at least 146,000 dead [17][18]

US Funded and NATO Intervention in Libya for the sake of overthrowing the government and getting oil [19][20][21] – estimates range from 10,000 by the deniers, to 50,000 by the rebels. The commonly accepted number by the US is 30,000 dead [22][23]

United States backed government of Sri Lanka for the sake of maintaining trade routes and neo-liberal foothold in southern Asia – 100,000 dead (some sources say 40,000 not including the huge numbers of civilians) [24][25]

The War in Iraq which was for the sake of gaining oil controlling petroleum exports [26][27] and with the interest of advancing US imperialism [28] – most recent study indicates 500,000 dead Iraqis and 4,500 dead US soldiers [29][30][31]

The War in Afghanistan – 2,000 dead US soldiers and 20,000 civilians [32][33]

US bombing of Pakistan for the War on Terror and to maintain our imperial dominance abroad – 50,000 dead [34]

US and Mexican War on Drugs to maintain a monopoly and to support military spending as well as drug cartel violence for profit – 47,000 dead [35]

Operation Desert Storm (First Gulf War) which was for the sake of maintaining dominance in the Middle East as well as for imperialistic reasons [36][37][38][39] – 158,000 Iraqis [40] – 75,000 US Soldiers dead from the War and Gulf War Syndrome [41]

US Sanctions against Iraq from 1990-2012 – 3,300,000 [42]

Iran-Iraq War where the United States funded both sides in an attempt to have each wipe the other out – about 1,500,000 [43][44][45]

The War in Vietnam to “beat Communism” and maintain an Asian sphere of influence – 3,800,000 Vietnamese between 1955-1984 [46] about 58,000 US soldiers [47] about 200,000 in Laos [48] about 300,000 in Cambodia [49] it’s hard to calculate Agent Orange deaths but up to 4,800,000 people were exposed [50] and 100,000 US soldiers killed themselves [51]

Korean War to “beat Communism” and maintain dominance in Asia – 54,000 US soldiers [52] and about 5,000,000 Koreans died [53]

The United States in Latin America and the Third World

“El Bloqueo” AKA. The Cuban Embargo – one of the more insidious forms of siege warfare of modernity [54][55] – this is one of the more difficult numbers to come up with so I will give you what I have and then add a commentary – 47,000 children dead [56] and the Embargo has stifled medical technology and lead to the deaths of tons more. The numbers are uncalculatable [57]. As a result, in a few years the effects on consumption by the general population were in evidence: daily caloric consumption, for example, dropped 34 percent, and protein intake plummeted 40 percent between 1989 and the worst year of the crisis, 1993. [58]

Former CIA Station Chief in Angola in 1976, covert agent, and the highest level CIA officer to testify to Congress, John Stockwell, tells a grisly tale of US involvement in foreign countries for the sake of money and geopolitics. He cites covert operations in Nicaragua, Panama, Guatemala, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba, to name a few. Over the course of his testimony and lecture he extensively researched the actions he was involved in and figured out that given the bombings of water supplies and other essential infrastructure, the invasions, the coups, etc. in third world countries, the United States, on its quest for empire, has been responsible for 6,000,000 deaths. Just let that soak in. According to the official story of the Holocaust, that’s how many Jews were killed. This is an unheard genocide against the third world FOR PROFIT and FOR POWER.[60] If you read nothing else or watch nothing else,

Genocides and Other Mass Deaths

Poverty. One of the most overlooked causes of death today is something called “structural violence” – that is, violence against the bottom rungs of society in order to make a profit. Structural violence can occur due to lack of medical care, slashing of wages, gentrification, etc. But without a doubt, structural violence is the largest killer WORLDWIDE. Studies performed by Canadian researches Gernot Kohler and Norman Alcock published under the title “An Empirical Table of Structural Violence” found that 18,000,000 people die each year due to systemic poverty [61][62].

This is recurring violence that happens year after year after year, the scale of which is unprecedented. Hell, if one takes Rummel’s and The Black Book of Communism’s claims seriously, structural violence has killed more people in JUST the 21st century, than Communism.

The Genocide of the Native Americans – according to professor of ethics Ward Churchill, over 10,000,000 Native Americans were slaughtered [63] and other studies by historian and professor David Stannard indicate that the number is closer to 100,000,000 if one includes South America (Churchill only looks at North America). To avoid any conflict, I will split the difference in my final calculation and use 50,000,000 [64]

Slavery (not just White slavery) – over 1200 years of Arab slave trading and then 500 years of European slave trading amounts to over 100,000,000 people enslaved and killed (there were about 80,000,000 that would just be slaves)[65]

Children Killed by Preventable Diseases yearly – 5,000,000 [66]

Children Killed by Hunger daily – 17,000 (multiplying to get a year so 17,000 365=6,205,000) [67]

http://guerrillaontologies.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

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The Genocide of the Native Americans –

Interesting. Not familiar with the history of the Democratic Party eh nom?

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AppleOfEden(11) Disputed
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Interesting. Not familiar with the history of the Democratic Party eh nom?

Most of the genocide against Native Americans was done Before the Democratic party or even the US was founded to begin with. The men who did most of it where the Conservative Christian Colonists. (Also known as the CCC, close associates of the KKK). The British colonies where formed in the late 1400s bronto and believe me, they killed a lot of Native Americans. Furthermore the American Democratic party which wasn't formed until the 1800s when the Democratic-republican party split up, actually does not consist of actual leftists for the most part. You consider them the left because they are further left than republicans, but America is a conservative country and most American "leftists" are actually closer to the center of the political spectrum.

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This is recurring violence that happens year after year after year, the scale of which is unprecedented. Hell, if one takes Rummel’s and The Black Book of Communism’s claims seriously, structural violence has killed more people in JUST the 21st century, than Communism.

Suggesting that Christianity caused all of the hunger and death in nonChristian nations is stupidity beyond the pale.

Not taking credit for Western liberals feeding no one is even more stupidity beyond the pale.

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Children Killed by Hunger daily – 17,000 (multiplying to get a year so 17,000 365=6,205,000) [67]

Riiight. Christians did this, not atheists, Muslims, Hindus...

Forget the fact that almost all groups that feed children in poverty stricken nations are...Christian...

I wonder how many have been fed because of Marxism and/or Atheism...

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Worst mass killers of all time

Enver Pasha

Turkey

Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million

Years in power: 5 (1913-1918)

Worst offense: Armenian genocide

Type of regime: Military Islamic

Kim Il Sung

North Korea

Death toll: 1.6 million

Years in power: 46 (1948-1994)

Worst offense: Korean War

Type of regime: Communist

Ho Chi Minh

North Vietnam

Death toll: 1.7 million

Years in power: 24 (1945-1969)

Worst offense: Vietnam War

Type of regime: Communist

Pol Pot

Cambodia

Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million

Years in power: 4 (1975-1979)

Worst offense: Cambodian genocide

Type of regime: Communist

Saddam Hussein

Iraq

Death toll: 2 million

Years in power: 34 (1969-2003)

Worst offense: Kurdish genocide

Type of regime: Authoritarian Islamic

Yahya Khan

Pakistan

Death toll: 2 million to 12 million

Years in power: 2 (1969-1971)

Worst offense: Bangladesh genocide

Type of regime: Military Islamic

Tojo Hideki

Japan

Death toll: 4 million

Years in power: 3 (1941-1944)

Worst offense: WWII civilian genocide

Type of regime: Military

Vladimir Lenin

USSR

Death toll: 4 million

Years in power: 7 (1917-1924)

Worst offense: Russian Civil War

Type of regime: Communist

Hirohito

Japan

Death toll: 6 million

Years in power: 62 (1926-1989)

Worst offense: Nanking Massacre

Type of regime: Monarchy

Chiang Kai-Shek

China

Death toll: 10 million

Years in power: 18 (1928-1949)

Worst offense: 228 Massacre

Type of regime: Communist

Joseph Stalin

USSR

Death toll: 40 million to 62 million

Years in power: 12 (1941-1953)

Worst offense: Gulag camps

Type of regime: Communist

Mao Zedong

China

Death toll: 45 million to 75 million

Years in power: 34 (1943-1976)

Worst offense: Great Chinese Famine

Type of regime: Communist

https://www.thedailybeast.com/saddam-hussein-hitler-stalin-mao-and-more-13-deadliest-dictators-photos

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Isn't that a daisy...

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Did the CAPITALISM Death Toll affect the computer you purchased ?????????????

Side: Yes