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Marxism's end game is power with an iron fist

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The Marxist social theory relies on structures of power where people are in categories of either oppressor or oppressed. While it appears to incentivize the oppressed to rise above their condition, the only Marxist alternative to oppressed is oppressor. Thus, the modern fringe left is cannibalizing, as various oppressed groups rise above, only to find their is a sadder victim with a greater moral status.

Old school Marxist will pretend that absolute equality is the logical solution. They pretend not to know what despicable horror that always has and always will lead to.

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TheNotorious(14) Disputed
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The Marxist social theory relies on structures of power where people are in categories of either oppressor or oppressed.

Marxist theory relies on toppling these structures of power so that no-one is oppressed.

While it appears to incentivize the oppressed to rise above their condition, the only Marxist alternative to oppressed is oppressor.

Oh, please shut up Amarel. Communism is the proposed solution to the cycle of oppressed and oppressor which Marx identified as the basis of capitalism. You are radically -- and purposefully -- conflating Marx's critique of capitalism with his solution to capitalism. In no way did Marx claim, suggest or purport that in communist society the oppressed should become oppressors. That is insanely false, Mickey Mouse bullshit you invented because you are a total fucking liar.

only to find their is a sadder victim with a greater moral status.

Spend less time figuring out new and innovative ways to tell the same lies and more time learning how to spell words.

Old school Marxist will pretend that absolute equality is the logical solution.

Marxists advocate equality of opportunity, which liars like yourself deliberately distort into equality of outcome. Outcome cannot ever be equalised, but opportunity can be.

Side: False
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Marxist theory relies on toppling these structures of power so that no-one is oppressed.

No, Marxist theory does not. Marxism relies on promising an impossible end state as a practical matter. The classless society is never actually meant to be reached. That's why your revolutions always end in complete tyranny.

Communism is the proposed solution to the cycle of oppressed and oppressor

It starts with the presumption that this is the cycle. It isn't. The solution offered does not actually move beyond the oppressor/oppressed dynamic. It merely topples one supposed oppressed class to replace them with a class of party members.

In no way did Marx claim, suggest or purport that in communist society the oppressed should become oppressors.

You lie better when it isn't so blatant. The Dictatorship of the Proletariat is a well known Marxist principle.

Marxists advocate equality of opportunity, which liars like yourself deliberately distort into equality of outcome.

Marxists may preach equality of opportunity while they seize peoples' outcomes. Communism is based on theft and oppression.

Side: True
DanBongino(106) Disputed
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Marxist theory relies on toppling these structures of power so that no-one is oppressed.

It's designed to bait people into actually walking into the jail cell and locking the door behind themselves.

Side: True
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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Amarel's first paragraph sound more like the Trump era than anything else. Substitute fringe right for "fringe left" and you have Trumpism. There is NO doubt that the left has "sadder victim(s) with greater moral status."!! (Abused women, separated families, more abused vets show up every day, unemployment is at a six month high and rising, medical ANYTHING is through the roof, Americans can now be killed and dismembered with impunity, and it's STILL better to be rich and guilty, than poor and innocent! You may get to be AG if you keep a rich scumbag out of jail!) Yep, it's Karl Trump, though more political than "social"!

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Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Amarel's first paragraph sound more like the Trump era than anything else

There is a collectivist backlash at the fringes of the Right that support Trump. But what I am describing is the SJW culture where people are in competition to be the "sadder victim", and appear more oppressed.

Side: True
DanBongino(106) Disputed
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There is NO doubt that the left has "sadder victim(s) with greater moral status.

Those women dressed as vaginas with their kids prove that.

Side: False
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Amarel's first paragraph sound more like the Trump era than anything else. Substitute fringe right for "fringe left" and you have Trumpism. There is NO doubt that the left has "sadder victim(s) with greater moral status."!! (Abused women, separated families, more abused vets show up every day, unemployment is at a six month high and rising, medical ANYTHING is through the roof, Americans can now be killed and dismembered with impunity, and it's STILL better to be rich and guilty, than poor and innocent! You may get to be AG if you keep a rich scumbag out of jail!) Yep, it's Karl Trump, though more political than "social"!

What kind of STUPID NONSENSE are you speaking you CONFUSED SOCIALIST ????

Side: False

Marxism's end game is power with an iron fist

Funny. That's exactly what Hitler said.

Only he was lying too.

Side: False
DanBongino(106) Disputed
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I'm assuming you mean the same Adolf Hitler who referenced Marx often.

Side: True