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Medicare for all ----------- PAID FOR ----------- mike drop!!

Hello:


I surely don't know who is telling you that Medicare for all is free..  It ain't.  It really boils down to this..  Do you think a doctor who's paid $75,000/year can treat you as well as one who's paid $250,000/year?? 


Here's the MATH..  Yes, Virginia, my plan is based on MATH. 


We start with what we already spend, as a nation, on health care..   That's about $3.5 trillion..  Then we SUBTRACT $.5 trillion we're NOW spending on the health insurance industry, because my plan will scrap it..  Then we SUBTRACT another $.5 trillion from savings on drug costs, medical equipment and lower doctors salary's.


That leaves $ ONE TRILLION to spend on actual health care that we're NOT spending now..  That'll cover EVERYBODY for EVERYTHING with money left over to buy a couple of aircraft carriers..  That means your health care, while NOT free, won't cost you a PENNY more than you're NOW spending..


You get that, right???


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Do you think a doctor who's paid $75,000/year can treat you as well as one who's paid $250,000/year??

Hello again, excon:

We're gonna have to break a few eggs if we're gonna FIX 1/6th of the economy.. But, we've seen upheavals before and we survived.. You know, things like the invention of cars and the cotton gin? So, getting our medical house in order is gonna cause some economic disruptions..

Specifically, we can't charge potential healers lots of $$$'s for their education if we LIMIT how much they can earn.. That wouldn't be fair. So, we need to dramatically reduce the cost of their education.

Are there gonna be some potential doctors who'll choose OTHER careers where they can get rich? I suppose so.. Will there be conscientious future healers who'll choose doctoring? Yeah. Do I think it'll even itself out? I DO.. $75,000/year ain't a bad income.

Clearly, med school, (along with ALL the other schools) needs to be underwritten by the taxpayer.. As I mentioned in other debates this morning, investing in an EDUCATED populate PAYS for itself, and medical school is no different..

Certainly, the health insurance INDUSTRY will have to find work.. Is it gonna BOTHER me?? Yes.. I HATE the problems economic disruption causes.. Do I hate it enough to STOP progress??

Nahh..

I'm a capitalist who BELIEVES in anti trust laws.. Those laws were enacted so that ONE industry CANNOT get SOOO big, that it DOMINATES and MONOPOLIZES their industry, to the DETRIMENT of the public..

And, that's where we find ourselves.. You get that, right?

excon

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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What you are is an IDIOT and with your RANT you have yet to say how many DOCTORS will accept MEDICARE FOR ALL ???????? SUPER STUPID how is it MEDICARE FOR ALL is going to work when MEDICARE is going to BE insolvent in 2026 !

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Hello excon:

Right wingers wanna SAY that with Medicare for all, the GOVERNMENT will be in the room with you and your doctor..

But, the way it is TODAY, your INSURANCE company is IN the room with you and your doctor.. And, of course, they're THERE, so that they can DENY some medical services..

But, what if your insurance company simply PAID the bill? If all they did was write a check, there would NO reason for them to know or care what kind of service you received.

In truth, under MY plan, the ONLY people in the examining room with you and your doctor, are YOU and your DOCTOR.. That's as it should be.

The government simply WRITES CHECKS. You get that, right?

excon

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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ROTFFLMMFAO !!!!!!!!!! The IDIOT writes this - The government simply WRITES CHECKS. You get that, right?

excon

You FUCKIN DUMB ASS where does the GOVERNMENT get it's MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: You can't add, excon

None of your math adds up because you have openly admitted your plan would include illegals, which could be anywhere between 20 million and 7 billion people.

For fun, plug in the cost to cover 50 to 100 million extra people.

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seanB(950) Disputed
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7 billion people. Are you really that fucked up that you think the entire population of Earth would want to go to America for healthcare?

Jesus Christ.

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excon(18261) Disputed
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None of your math adds up because you have openly admitted your plan would include illegals, which could be anywhere between 20 million and 7 billion people.

Hello bront:

I presented a VIABLE plan.. You MADE up numbers to defeat it.. You sound like poochy boy. Now, fetch this stick..

excon

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Plug in however many illegals you think there are. We'll wait.

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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SUPER STUPID how is it you have a VIABLE PLAN when MEDICARE is going to be insolvent in 2026 ?????? So is BARNEY going to create a GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE plan ???????

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Hay MATH GENIUS what is the cost to TAXPAYERS of SEATTLE for the HOMELESS using the ER ????????? Come on BOY use your MATH and put your MONEY where your KEYBOARD is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.knkx.org/post/health-care-companies-donate-15-million- fight-chronic-homelessness

Health care companies donate $15 million to fight chronic homelessness

By WILL JAMES • MAY 16, 2019

So STUPID what is the cost of the HOMELESS in SEATTLE'S ER ??????????

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http://fortune.com/2019/04/24/medicare-for-all-plan-costs/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/medicare-for-all-32-6-trillion-dollars-socialized-medicine/

A new study out Monday from George Mason University's Mercatus Center finds that Sanders plan would add $32.6 trillion to federal spending in its first 10 years, with costs steadily rising from there. That closely matches other studies — including one by the liberal Urban Institute — that looked at Sanders' plan.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/thank-you-bernie-sanders-for-exposing-the-true-cost-of-socialized-medicine/

SUPER STUPID what you got to say ??????????????????????????????????

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ROTFFLMMFAO !!!!!!!! This shows you an IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/01/07/newsoms-first-actions-as-governor-target-health-care/

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Gov. Gavin Newsom’s first act as governor Monday was to propose state-funded health coverage for 138,000 young people in the country illegally and a reinstatement of a mandate that everyone buy insurance or face fines.

“When everybody is pooled together it means lower cost for each and every one of you,” Newsom said in a video broadcast on Facebook as he signed his orders. “The spirit of this is about bringing down costs.”

Newsom was elected following a campaign that leaned heavily on his promise to provide health coverage to everyone. His actions hours after he took the oath of office take a step in that direction but the $760 million price tag will require approval from the Democratically controlled Legislature.

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Now SUPER STUPID typed this - Hello:

I surely don't know who is telling you that Medicare for all is free.. It ain't. It really boils down to this.. Do you think a doctor who's paid $75,000/year can treat you as well as one who's paid $250,000/year??

Here's the MATH.. Yes, Virginia, my plan is based on MATH.

We start with what we already spend, as a nation, on health care.. That's about $3.5 trillion.. Then we SUBTRACT $.5 trillion we're NOW spending on the health insurance industry, because my plan will scrap it.. Then we SUBTRACT another $.5 trillion from savings on drug costs, medical equipment and lower doctors salary's.

That leaves $ ONE TRILLION to spend on actual health care that we're NOT spending now.. That'll cover EVERYBODY for EVERYTHING with money left over to buy a couple of aircraft carriers.. That means your health care, while NOT free, won't cost you a PENNY more than you're NOW spending..

You get that, right???

excon

Did the FUCKIN DUMMY ever refer to how many DOCTORS are willing to WORK for the GOVERNMENT ???????????

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You STUPID KEYBOARD IDIOT your HEAD IS UP YOUR ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Already linked 760 million for FREE HEALTHCARE in CALIFORNIA but let's see what CALIFORNIA did with a HIGH SPEED RAIL !!!!!!!!!

This is going to further show what a FOOL you are DUMMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-bullet-train-california-problems-20190213-story.html

It was billed as the most ambitious public works project since the transcontinental railroad opened up the West.

The high-speed rail network would transform California — ​cleaner air, less congested freeways and airports, and more limited suburban sprawl with a whole new style of housing around rail stops.

“Fresno could become a bedroom community of the Silicon Valley,” the California High-Speed Rail Authority said a month before voters approved Proposition 1A in November 2008.

Yet bite after bite, huge cost overruns, mismanagement, political concessions and delays ate away at the sleek and soaring vision of a bullet train linking San Francisco to San Diego. A project meant to drive home California’s role as the high-tech vanguard of the nation was looking more and more like a pepped-up Amtrak route through the Central Valley.

During his first State of the State address Tuesday, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced he was scaling back the $77-billion project. Though his wording was open to interpretation, it appeared to sound the death knell, not necessarily for the project itself, but for the original dream.

GODDAMN BOY do you see the FAILURE of SOCIALISM ?????????????????

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You can't add, excon

Hello excon,

Yes, Sir.. I CAN add..

Let's just take emergency rooms.. They're FILLED to the brink with the uninsured. Plus, ER rooms are the most expensive way to deliver health care ever invented, and WE, the taxpayer, PAY for ALL of it..

Just imagine how much we'd SAVE if those people got care from a local doctor..

You get that, right?

excon

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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SUPER STUPID are you aware that COUNTY HOSPITALS cannot refuse service to anyone ?

You FUCKIN IDIOT under FREE HEALTHCARE WE the taxpayer will not PAY for ALL of it..?

SUPER STUPID you a MATH GENIUS so tell us how many doctors will accept a FORCED HEALTHCARE PLAN !!!!!!!!! Do you have a number for the amount of doctors that will accept GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE ?????????????

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