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Men vs. Women

are they both treated the same today ?

Equal

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7 points

I purposely made this debate that vague so that it could allow more discussion on different levels. So pick on what ever area you feel like because it doesn't really matter to me. [:

5 years ago | Side: Equal
cyndi_ha(1) Clarified
1 point

Yup, indeed. All the point of views and comments were came out from many different categories of people with those experiences. There are no exact answer for "Are men and women equal?" because for certain fields; they still need women to handle and for selected work fields there must be men to take part in. So, different peoples have different mindset and point of views. There are useless to make any argues in here... NO DISCRIMINATION at here, just mine point of views... Thanks, you guys did really helped me a lot for creating an ideas for the topic of "ARE MEN AND WOMEN EQUAL?" =)

34 days ago | Side: Equal
5 points

This debate needs a bit of clarification because there are some obvious areas where men & women are not equal (i.e. reproductive capability, physical strength, etc), however, there are other areas that could spur a great debate.

For instance, are men & women equal in these 4 areas?

- Economic independence

- Reconciliation of private and professional life

- Equal representation in decision-making

- Gender stereotypes

5 years ago | Side: Please clarify debate
ishanigupta(4) Clarified
1 point

Are they the treated equally? Well I don't think so at all, man I could through out a list of 100 reasons why we aren't equal!

1 year ago | Side: Equal
anchaljain(1) Disputed
1 point

YES!! when a women can be strong enuf to defend hrself during any misbehaves, when she can fight against any evil, she can also be equal to men.. ders nthng different tat men do.. wat dey cn do cn be done by women too!! women is equally successful to men.. and if nt in any MNC's, den at deir places.. think a day widout yur mom or wife??? one is nthng widout a women!! As the saying goes" Behind every successful men ders a women!!"

1 year ago | Side: Equal
itDONTmatter(1) Disputed
1 point

A woman does not have to be physically strong to be equal to a man. I'm sorry, but you need to fix your grammar and your spelling. It kind of makes your post hard to read.

1 year ago | Side: Not
3 points

From my point of view nowadays if you are a straight, white, male, not a drugaddict or alcoholic, if you have a nice job and do not have aids - you are the most discriminated person ever.

I mean come on there are organisations that fight for women's rights. For gay's rights. For black's rights. For everyone's rights except for normal guys) I think we should really start bothering about majority rights being discriminated.

5 years ago | Side: Equal
ledhead818(628) Disputed
3 points

"From my point of view nowadays if you are a straight, white, male, not a drug addict or alcoholic, if you have a nice job and do not have aids - you are the most discriminated person ever."

Ahahahhahahha. I'm sorry, I just aahahahhahah. Alright I think I have a hold of it now, wait ahahahhahahhah.

Okay, okay. That's better. Did you really just say that? I don't think you understand what discrimination is.

"According to General Accountability Office (GAO) Report GAO-04-35, the weekly earnings of full-time working women were about three-fourths of men's during 2001. The report was prepared from a study of the earnings history of over 9,300 Americans for the last 18 years.

Even accounting for factors such as occupation, industry, race, marital status and job tenure, reports the GAO, working women today earn an average of 80 cents for every dollar earned by their male counterparts. This pay gap has persisted for the past two decades, remaining relatively consistent from 1983-2000."

Discrimination is being treated worse because of sex/race/sexual orientation/religion etc.

You are just complaining because you don't have many organizations that fight for your rights because straight, white, males kind of already have their rights. These other organizations exist to help others combat the oppression that we as straight, white, males have been forcing upon everyone else. You have nothing to complain about. When we get pulled over by a police officer, we just worry about trying to get out of our ticket, not getting beaten. When we walk around at night, we don't have to be afraid of being raped. We don't have our right to marry the person we love being assaulted by religious fanatics. Statistically we are healthier, have more access to education, and come from high socioeconomic backgrounds. And you're complaining that other people have organized to try help disadvantaged peoples like themselves to have equal opportunities to live happy, productive lives?

I have dealt with people like you before and in my experience, they were motivated by thinly veiled racism and sexism.

4 years ago | Side: Not
jobosno(5) Disputed
3 points

I love how the majority of the argument was about women. He was getting specific for a reason. He didn't just say men, he was more specific. What if (this is just an example) black gay males who have bad jobs are treated the best by society? You're showing that you can only counter one facet of the argument. You may be intelligent enough to do otherwise, but you are not demonstrating that here

2 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
Gokhanrahman(4) Disputed
1 point

"You are just complaining because you don't have many organizations that fight for your rights because straight, white, males kind of already have their rights. These other organizations exist to help others combat the oppression that we as straight, white, males have been forcing upon everyone else."

HAHAHHA! Straight white males barely have any rights, you don't oppress anyone either, you can't do shit. ou need to stop listening to the white feminist women.

4 years ago | Side: Equal
truthteller9(93) Disputed
1 point

the only sexism left is against men and against fathers. thats why fathers lose their kids , their homes and life savings in 80% of divorces...thats why men die 5 years younger in every nation on earth and thats why men commit suicide at 4 times the rate fo women and no one cares, especially not women

1 year ago | Side: Equal
1 point

It's true, and I'm in the same boat. And it's not right. But if it were needed desperately enough, there would be a group out there advocating just those rights. Despite some pretty silly affirmative action type dealings here and there, we've had it pretty good.

Make sure everyone's equal by promoting the rights of EVERYBODY and yours won't disappear. You shouldn't have to apologize for things that your great grandfather was a part of, as you're not guilty of anything (as far as I'm aware). But anyone who's holding on to old dogma needs to be educated, so these groups are important.

5 years ago | Side: Equal
zombee(1023) Disputed
1 point

The reason there is no straight white man's rights movement is because you already have all the rights. Is anyone denying you the right to marry who you want? Is anyone trying to remove your bodily autonomy? Was there ever a point in American history when you would have been a slave? Who are all the politicians, the business owners, the filmmakers and authors and artists, the richest people in the world? Straight, white men.

I think there are some ridiculous expectations out there for men, including what it means to 'be a man'. But while life can be hard for everyone, including straight, white men, people realize you have it pretty much as good as it gets.

Edit: I don't mean to minimize the hardships that any individual person faces, because I don't live your life and I don't know your particular circumstances. I just mean that white men have had most of the money, power, and influence for a very long time.

4 years ago | Side: Not
Gokhanrahman(4) Disputed
2 points

Straight white males are the most discriminated people on earth, they barely have rights ,trust me. Stop reading that white feminist woman bullshit and open your eyes. Whites need a rights movement more then anyone.

4 years ago | Side: Equal
1 point

Don't forget right-handedness.... lol. It can even be simplified down to that. You can get scholarships for being left-handed.

2 years ago | Side: Equal
ishanigupta(4) Disputed
1 point

I am so cunfuzzeled. Are you telling me that normal people are neglected. I am neglected because I am not a man and I am not white nor am I an drug addict or alcoholic. So please revise.

1 year ago | Side: Not
mcfarlinr(11) Disputed
0 points

To PassingBy,

I see where you are coming from, in regards to the normal person being the most discriminated person ever. It does seem, to a degree, that normal is not normal anymore. My question to you is this.......what is normal?

When you use what you wrote in your article, you are saying that being "a straight, white, male, not a drugaddict or alcoholic, if you have a nice job and do not have aids", you are normal. What if I am "a straight, [black], male, not a drugaddict or alcoholic, if [I] have a nice job and do not have aids"? Am I normal? I will assume that you are not being racist in your statement, although you may come across as such. I will make an attempt to define, from my point of view, what normal is.

Normality is defined by each person (as an individual), their environment, and any other influence on their lives. This obviously means that each individuals' ideal of normality differs from one person to the next (with a sprinkle of similarity). Each persons' circumstances are different, as well as each persons' environment will be different at several levels. There are places in this world where women cannot even show their natural facial beauty because of culture and tradition. On the flip side, there are places in the world where women can breast feed their children in public. What is normal, no matter where you are, is that men and women have certain roles in their perspective societies. This does not make them any better or worse, it only makes them more important in the global scheme of things. "Normality is relative" [a quote by nerve_gs (not yet a member of this site, but a co-worker)]. Much respect!

5 years ago | Side: Not
2 points

In a perfect world there woulbe be no debate o nthis one. We are equal unless we for some reason think we are ebtter the nsomeone else which is selfish and totally wrong.

5 years ago | Side: Equal Rights
2 points

With the latest social standing that we are I would like to believe that a man and woman is equal now in every single phase. Woman have fight for their equality right for the recent years and believe that they have already acquired it. They have proven themselves in every single way that they can also do the same things man could. Even surpassing some qualities at some point. Now I don't want to argue about if woman is more better than man.

5 years ago | Side: Equal
1 point

Indeed. They have proven themselves, now they (for lack of a better word) complain about compensation for their equality. My point is that all forms of arguing in favour of one or the other is ridiculous.

2 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
2 points

So are you implying that women should become more agresive than men and some how force men into treating women the same?

do you think that men will let women push them around?

Your points are probable but it seems as if you are proposing violence, u will ruin the hard work already put in by women such as E. caddy stanton or susan B.anthony

if not women in our society (US) are taking their rights for granted considering women in othre parts of the world

4 years ago | Side: Equal
1 point

In your first two sentences, you present a great case. Usually, the perception of the use of force causes one to intensify their feelings and defend their position more than previously needed.

2 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
2 points

Humans are simply bodies, both are equal at birth, however its the way we are trained. If you say women are weaker, its your fault that women claim to not be as strong. Anybody who works out is going to be strong. Women are taught to be in the home, and to be what you would call feminine (feminine and masculine are both mindsets, they dont truly exist.) women do have the potential to be just as strong as men because it all depends on the way they are raised. It takes alot for a woman to become a body builder, but then again, it takes just as much for a man to become a body builder.

1 year ago | Side: Equal
1 point

From my point of view nowadays if you are a straight, white, male, not a drugaddict or alcoholic, if you have a nice job and do not have aids - you are the most discriminated person ever.

I mean come on there are organisations that fight for women's rights. For gay's rights. For black's rights. For everyone's rights except for normal guys) I think we should really start bothering about majority rights being discriminated.

2 years ago | Side: Equal
1 point

I think that it all depends on the situation. Take for example, there are jobs that women dominated while others men dominated with characteristics of a job. But, sometimes we find some jobs that women can do a job better than men, while other is the same situation with men doing better for women. In village council, I would say as a woman point a view, women don't have a voice in it. Although women are fighting to have a title for village council, it is not always possible all the time. Most of the time their is no equal opportunity for women because it all depends on what we want.

1 year ago | Side: Equal
1 point

i think what is ....men and women are the same because the men or the husbands work outside and have tensions and women work inside houses and they have the same tensions that men have they only diffrence is men go out 2 work and women stay back at home to work ....! got it !!

1 year ago | Side: Equal
1 point

Womens must not treated equally as Men because they are not mentaly or physically strong as men.In the hell of working they forget their responsablities.There ego will increase.And causes more problems in life and in the future of their children.

1 year ago | Side: Equal
1 point

Well men and women have equal rights they should compete against each other because many women are also physically strong as men. Since so many female athletes are a master on the sport they should get challenged. Such as Lindsay Von who wanted to get challenged by to compete with men in the same sport. Lindsay Von is a professional and if she wants to get challenged a great challenge to her is to compete against men so both genders competing against each other is a great idea for those female athletes who want a challenge. So yes men and women should compete against each other in the same sport.

1 year ago | Side: Equal
1 point

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268 days ago | Side: Equal
1 point

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268 days ago | Side: Equal
0 points

I think that Men and Women are basically equal. I do believe that women do earn less than men on average and that this is probably at least in part due to sexism. In this current age women are becoming just as educated as men. If they do not want to work for less under the club of men than they are just as smart and just as legally able to create their own businesses. It is unlikely that people will refuse to use a service or product provided by a female owned business, especially if the product or service is better.

Woman have every legal right to take charge and dominate in business and careers. If anyone chooses to be an employee instead of an employer you have do deal with some jerk employer regardless of your gender, race or whatever else. Now the fact that more women aren't entrepreneurs and business owners is a personal choice and will probably change in the near future. Women have the same level of education as men now it is their job to learn how to use it to their advantage.

Just because women have equal rights doesn't mean they will have instant economic and social equality that is a long slow evolving process you can spark with your own self-improvement.

5 years ago | Side: Equal Rights
polandspring(1) Disputed
3 points

Actually, there are more women entrepreneurs than men! And a good part of the reason for this is that women who have the skills don't feel they fit in in big business, or don't find the support/flexibility that they deserve there. The problem with this is that big business is losing out on 50% of the talent pool by not being a welcoming environment to women.

5 years ago | Side: Actually
1 point

Even though modern society is generally more educated than ever before regarding gender equity, gender equity is still set back by gender stereotypes. Fortunately, the truth affirms the fact that women can do the job just as well as men. In fact, to prove this, an article has been featured at: http://www.cardealexpert.com/news-information/opinion/gender-stereotypes-female-mechanics/

Supporting Evidence: Battling gender stereotypes in the world of female mechanics. (www.cardealexpert.com)
1 year ago | Side: Equal
ishanigupta(4) Disputed
1 point

You are wrong, are trying to tell me that you think that even though women are payed less it is still wrong. You are insane. Also when you said "Woman have every legal right to take charge and dominate in business and careers." you are wrong, they can not dominate the same way because they are dated less! before I start cursing I should stop talking.

1 year ago | Side: Not
-8 points
13 points

Women are not equal to men; their representation in government, economic institutions, and social institutions (as leaders) are not prominent given their numerical parity with their opposite gender.

Women are underpaid, overworked, and are rarely in positions of power and authority. This, though changing, still leaves them at a disadvantage to men.

The reason for this; though, is not any biological differences (by all accounts women are actually stronger and healthier than men). The difference is accounted for in the women's perceptions of themselves, what they feel their place is, their unwillingness to engage in economic, social, or even violent conflict. This stems from social indoctrination, familial indoctrination, and their own inability to break free from these influences and knock down the structures that oppress them.

If women are going to become equal to men they are first going to have to become as ruthless, cutthroat, strong, courageous, and aggressive as men. Women are going to have to show themselves to be the strong creatures that they are; women are going to have to take their rightful place as masters of their own destiny, by any means necessary.

Women can't be victims anymore; they must train themselves to fight, they must teach their daughters to fight (not just with Karate classes but showing them to stand up for themselves in a number of ways). Every woman should know how to defend herself; legally, physically, economically, socially; they must make men know they cannot be taken advantage of.

Every culture, every nation, every class, every religion, every ethnicity, each gender; sexuality; the only way they achieved equality, dominion, freedom, and security is through their ability to defend themselves and maintain their status as free and independent beings. If women are to break free of their chains they must do so in kind.

5 years ago | Side: Not
tonicole(839) Disputed
9 points

Although you make some valid points, I think that the matter also lies in the acceptance by men.

There are women representation in government, economic institutions, and women that are leaders in many social institutions. While there is a big difference when it comes to numbers, they are still present and just not given the credit...yet.

The underpayment of women lie in sexist managers that still think like the men centuries ago thought. The overworked women work as hard as they do because they feel the need to prove themselves, feel that if they work their asses off as hard as they do then they'll get what they want. And i'm guessing that the positions of power and authority that you are referring to are positions mostly known to the general public, because I happen to know women that ran ship yards and software companies, as well as women who hold high positions in the U.S Navy (the perks of being a navy brat is apparently meeting all the people my dad works under.)

And just out of curiosity, where did you find the perception of women bit, like was it from a recent survey or something? Because i have not met a single woman that thought she was ever under a man, nor have i met a woman that didn't know that their place in society wasn't to listen and follow "the man". With that, there are also scores successful business women living in today's society, many women actually willing to fight in the armed forces (or with their gangs...who knows with today's society?) and women have been known to be quite the social butterflies. There really is no oppression of women nowadays.

Women have been showing themselves to be the "strong creatures that they are", it's just that women are more modest with their achievements and don't give a damn if their great achievement ends up on the six o clock news.

People in general are masters of their destinies, not other people. the way you live your life is how you choose and just because some women are passive does not mean that all of them are, nor does it mean that men aren't passive either.

Women haven't been victims of subservience in a long time, and it's been awhile since women have allowed themselves to be taken advantage of.

There is hardly any women in this generation that didn't have enough nerve to defend who they are and what they believe in. The only reason that it seems like women act the way you described is because since basically the beginning of time men had the upper hand, and women had started rising up above that relatively recently.

Thanks for your opinion though ! I was really curious to see how people would react to this topic. [:

5 years ago | Side: Equal
10 points

You are right that there are women in places of power and authority, but they do not have nearly as many of those positions as their numbers in the general population.

For example; the U.S. congress:

Women hold 17% of the seats in congress. They are 51% of the population. That's an extreme discrepancy; especially given the fact that congress is one of the highest seats of power in the United States. They hold 23% of state elected positions, again an extreme discrepancy. Women used to hold two seats on the Supreme Court, there is now one. One out of nine, or 11%.

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/information_by_level_of_office/ Congress_CurrentFacts.php

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/information_by_level_of_office/ Statewide-CurrentFacts.php

As for economic power; these are the number of women CEOs:

8 women are the head of a Fortune 500 company, and in all of the Fortune 500s women make up 14% of the boards of directors.

http://www.socialfunds.com/news/article.cgi/1292.html

In society, even the female-dominated career of teaching, men do better than women:

Women, though they have achieved administrative control, still earn 100 dollars less than men, median.

http://www.dpeaflcio.org/programs/factsheets/ fs_2007_school_administrators.htm

In medicine, women are still behind men:

33% of doctors will be women, by 2010. By what time will you make up half? 2020? 2050?

http://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=4197

The following research indicates that women lag in math scores due to negative stereotypes:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_2002_August/ ai_95514611

Of course, the military is still thoroughly male. They make up 15% of the armed forces.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/ releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/006232.html

Also, I think you misinterpreted my remarks; I didn't mean that every single woman wasn't exerting her strength to the fullest, just that on average women do not. Exceptions are always going to be around, of course. Women have made excellent strides, mostly because they have been taking what is rightfully theirs. However, they are still not powerful enough to become equal; and until 50% of them are in the military, the economic control rooms, the high government offices, they will remain second class citizens.

I mean, what other population would you not call second class which doesn't have even close to its numbers represented in government? What's funny is that in Apartheid South Africa, the oppressed African Americans had more representation in their parliament than women do in ours:

Their legislature held: 178 white, 85 black, and 45 indian legislators. Giving the blacks 28% (compared to women receiving 17% of our congressional seats). Not only that, but blacks made up 33% of their population while women make up 50% of ours! Tell me that isn't bizarre!

http://www.anc.org.za/un/makatini/mm081684.html

5 years ago | Side: Not
mcfarlinr(11) Disputed
6 points

Let me ask you this, Tonicole....do you think that men and women are in some sort of competition with each other? Whether you think so or not, why do you think that?

According to what I got from your article, it seems to me that you feel like women are in some sort of competition for superiority with men. Why are they competing with each other?

In a previous response about this very same topic, I stated that men and women are neither better or worse than each other. Men have their roles to fill in their perspectives societies, and women have their roles. If men and women focused on their particular role in their particular society, and excelled in that role, then they could say how much of a man or woman that they are (no matter what others may same about them). Being a man or a woman is not something that we compete for; it's what we are. Do your part, and I'll do mine! Much Respect!

5 years ago | Side: Not
truthteller9(93) Disputed
1 point

Sorry thats absolute bitter nonsense spoon fed by the male hating misandrist feminist radicals. the reason more men are in the boardroom is because more men commit their entire lives to working their way up the slippery slope in their careers. it takes a lifetimes dedication to make it. if you want to see a female ismbard kingdon brunel then youll have to find a woman with that much genious and hard work who is willing to work that hard their whole lives. to be better than the best you have tear the best down, youve simply got to work that much harder. thats the reality not some over simplistic male hating doctrine fed by the radical feminists. in reality you cannot find a woman who will fix your plumbing, sort out your electricity, build your schools, tarmac your roads, fix your trains. yes blame men for everything , easy targets. but women need to make it happen for themselves. bosses in companies are not sexist they simply employ the person who does the best job , makes them the most money and commits to the career.

I would also add men work longer and die younger in every nation on earth and its always been this way. the lie that 100 years ago men had it easy is a filthy lie. the only war is rich v poor not men v women. but this battle of the sexes is another conflict created by the rich to get the working classes arguing amongst themselves. the rich divide and conquer people. then in come the lawyers who spam unhappy wives with legal offers of what they can get them from divorce settlements, they even buy this information off insurance companies. meanwhile men l0ost 80% of divorce cases, losing their homes, their children and their lifes savings in an instant. but women cry in the divorce court and everyone falls for it. meanwhile male suicides are 4 times higher in every nation on earth and no one even cares, certainly not women as we can see from this thread.

1 year ago | Side: Not
ukdodger(1) Disputed
4 points

Become men you mean.

5 years ago | Side: Equal
4 points

"Women can't be victims anymore" I could not have said this better myself. That is so true, and it is frustrating when other women can't see this.

5 years ago | Side: Not
Sitara(11099) Disputed
1 point

Oh really? I was a victim when I was raped .

1 year ago | Side: Equal
iamdavidh(4844) Disputed
1 point

I'm sensing a lot of anger.

5 years ago | Side: balance
truthteller9(93) Disputed
1 point

There is way way way more discrimination against men in this sountry......they lose 80% of divorces, 85% of custody case and in 80% they lose their homes too.....imagine losing your whole life , your home, your life savings and most importantly all your children all at the same time? stop and think abiout that for about a week? the culture and the law is phenomenally biased

men get sacked for cracking a joke, women can say anything they like. women make 95% of the accusations against men of inappropriate behaviour, men barely say a word as there is no one to support them or their situations. the nhs cannot even tell pregnant mums not to smoke in late pregnancies even though its killing babies....its seen as infringing their rights to advise them....as for abortion, women are not even allowed to have their options given to them. this is why the abortion rates are some of the highest in the world. we also have a hopeless benefits system whcih rewrds women who have 1 children and no husband and no work ethic. we tax payers have to pay.

another young boy took his life yesterday , aged 12 and it wont even make the news.........tragic. he was crying for help, expelled from school , from a broken home with absentee father..... and he just got excluded instead of any of these people trying to understand him and his problems....male suicides are running at 80% in wales over christmas. there are no male teachers at primary and junior schools and these young boys have no fathers in their lives so no male role model to guide them through a complex world. this is never discussed and nothing is ever done. male suicides are 3 to 4 times the rate of females in every country in the world and nothing is done. the number or organizations available to support women compared to men in the UK averages at over 40 to 1 ration. its just insanse. it all stems from the anti male sexist misandrist viewpoint that somehow a man doesnt have feelings and a father is less important than a mother. men also work longer and harder their whole lives, they die younger in every nation on earth and women have 75% of the spending power and in 8% keep all the home and the children anyway, so why are men working themselves to death?

its a disgrace and it highlights how incredibly dumbed dowm and callous our society has become. men love their children just as much, men care about teaching, about learning, about education, about providing for their children , men love , men cry , men hurt, why in 2013 does that have to be re-explained again and again and again yet ignored?

1 year ago | Side: Equal
1 point

thats true women are not to be discriminated and i think women can rule the nation better than men

319 days ago | Side: Not

Men and woman aren't equal and never will be. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have equal rights under the law. At the moment they have an equal opportunity (to be politicians/lawyers/doctors/house wives) and they, if motivated, can and wlll do anything a man does.

The question must therefore be, if they have (basically) the same potential as men in the work place, why then are the discrepencies still so large in terms of percentage? I think it comes down to too factors. First, many women are culturally predisposed to different occupations (nurse, secretary, so on) and will train for those jobs with less anxiety as if they were (say) wanting to become a lumberjack. Another factor is biology. Humans have evolved such that men did the hunting and women the child rearing and "gathering". This has effected men in a number of ways, from sense of humor, to upper strength, to male voice depth, pain tollerance, mental directness, and more. Similarily, it has made (most) women smaller, less cardio-efficient (hemoglobins), more meticulous and creative (including the apparent ability to think more abstractly about spatial language), and much more sensitive. These are all very actual traits that manifest in a macro scale and divide men and women. It is not possible that these traits haven't predisposed men and women to certain careers (or lack thereof) that makes "gender engenderment" much less offences. So, with these two factors in mind, the descrepencies in the workplace are much less important with the knowledge that a 50/50 male/female doctor ratio is probably unnatural (at least) and a false equality. We should anticipate the differences in stead of trying artificially deflate them.

5 years ago | Side: Not
kirstie1126(470) Disputed
4 points

Actually, men do not have a higher pain tolerance, but less ability to feel pain. So pain is not "taken like a man" but that men are literally less sensitive to it! The same injury would thus cause less pain to a male than it would be perceived to cause in a female.

From the article, "4. Women feel more pain. Any man who has watched a woman having a baby without using drugs would swear that women can tolerate anything. But the truth is, guys, it hurts more than you can imagine. Women have more nerve receptors than men. As an example, women have 34 nerve fibers per square centimeter of facial skin, while men average just 17. And in a 2005 study, women were found to report more pain throughout their lifetimes and, compared to men, they feel pain in more areas of their body and for longer durations."

Supporting Evidence: 5 Painful Facts You Need to Know (www.livescience.com)
5 years ago | Side: Equal

I'm not sure I agree with men having a higher tolerance for pain than women. Try pushing a small grape through your urinary track.

Also, I would add that women have breasts to protect them from shopping bags and large hips to bump and balance the washer and drier when the clothes are all to one side. But surely, I jest ;)

5 years ago | Side: Not
5 points

Haha, you got that right.

And guys, unless you can pull a football out of your ass, I don't think you have a clue about high pain tolerance.l

5 years ago | Side: Equal
unknown91(129) Disputed
4 points

i am not really agreeing with your arguments at all for women... sorry to say. i strongly disagree with this one especially. your comments suggest that maybe u dont have the due respect for women. if men werent so lazy then women wouldnt need the apparent large hips to "bump and balance the washer and drier when the clothes are all to one side". men should just go and uneven it or just go suck on ur dick.

sorry joe, jsut disagree on this

5 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
1 point

in this topic i wouldn't like to talk of male/female, but of male and female gender roles. (a gender role being the PSYCHOLOGICAL buildup of an individual. There are males playing the female gender role, and vice versa.)

simplifying this a lot, those playing the female gender role tend to make decisions based on their emotions, which in itself limits their capability in tasks requiring logical (but slower) thinking. Those playing the male gender role tend to use their logical brain more, which gives them capabilities to mathematics, physics, and other logic dominated areas.

Although the female gender role looses in logic capabilities, it enables the player of the role to feel emotions such as sympathy and make rapid decisions.

It should be noted that, based on this and the existence of persons of certain sex playing the gender role of the opposite sex, we shouldn't be judged under the law by our sex, but the gender role we play. Also, each gender role is very much dependent on the other, and both shall therefore be preserved. The women's rights campaigns combine the gender roles to one idea, whereas, rather than doing this, both should be respected separately.

256 days ago | Side: Not
7 points

Women are not exactly treated the same in todays soicety. Though i must admit, it is alot better then the earlier days though. there are still some jobs that women get a less pay rate as men. this also happens in car shops, i.e. mechanics give women a dearer price to fix their car as they believe that women are stupid in the knowledge of cars etc.

therefore making no, women are not treated equally.

the same goes for men. you dont see men hairdressers very often or men cosmetic people do you. goes both ways here...

5 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
7 points

I say that men and women are not equal because it is not about equality in the first place. What we, as humans, do not realize is that men have their roles, and women have their roles in society. Is one persons' role greater than the others? I would wager to say no. Men tend not to be nurturing beings. Nonetheless, does that make them the lesser of the two sexes? Women tend to be the weaker (physically) of the two sexes. Yet again, are they any less of a people than men are? I think that men and women's roles should be saved for a different debate. Then the argument must be made as to what standard is used to measure equality. I say all of this to say that men and women are not equal, because their roles are different, not because one sex is better or worse than the other. Much respect!

5 years ago | Side: Not
5 points

A recent Supreme Court ruling shows that women in the United States are treated unfairly on the basis of pay. If a woman wishes to file Title XII on the basis of not being paid the same as a man in the same position, she must do so within 180 days of the beginning of her employment with that particular employer. In other words, you only have six months and then you can't do a thing about it. Apparently, you have to investigate your company for unfair wage practices the moment you start working for them. The Republicans overwhelmingly did nothing about it, McCain going so far as to say that it would create 'unnecessary' lawsuits. So, Mr. McCain, wanting equal pay is 'unnecessary'?

'...a Title VII complaint must be filed within 180 days of the specific action that sets discriminatory pay, regardless of its ongoing and continuing discriminatory impact on the employee.' - from www.now.org

5 years ago | Side: Equal Rights
5 points

It's all a function of geography. In North America, and for the most part in South America, Europe and Oceania and a few scattered places in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, women are equal.

They are not equal everywhere, so woman are not treated equally yet.

Please note that equality does not mean sameness. Looking at wage statistics doesn't make sense when we're biologically different. It's quite possible to be different, but be morally equivalent, and that is the case.

Different chromosomes mean different tendencies. For example, there was a lot of concern about the lack of women in technical fields in the 70's. When all the data came back in, girls were not "deficient" in mathematics, it turned out they all just went into medicine, or non-technical fields as a choice.

5 years ago | Side: Not
4 points

Not equal mentally and biologically... i know this. main reason why they do different shit in modern society. if you look at the animal kingdom, most animals set up certain roles for the male and female, and we've been like that for probably thousands of years.

i have no problem with women being treated the same as men... i really couldn't give a shit. but it's not like it's a big deal if more men hold power than women... that's actually natural (nature wise). now, if you're one of those people who believe "God made us equal" well, then you have a point that really can't be rebuttled (since others don't believe in moral authority).

5 years ago | Side: Nature vs Morality
kirstie1126(470) Disputed
4 points

"...but it's not like it's a big deal if more men hold power than women... that's actually natural (nature wise)."

While I agree with you in that we are differnt, which is why we have different roles in society, I am not sure where your point in holding power lies...

5 years ago | Side: Equal
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
4 points

the male gender is built up of being leaders (majority, always exceptions to the rule). that's how they made it to the top. they used their strength and their minds to have people follow them.

if women had the ability to rule, they would be ruling most of the world, but they don't. this is natural selection. men take over because evolution has led them to it.

5 years ago | Side: Not
3 points

I don't think that men and women are equal at all. Women are far superior to men. Especially in debating. I don't think one man could outlast a woman in a debate. Lol. [-:0

5 years ago | Side: owchies
6 points

haha. for example: who wins the arguments when WE fight ? ;D

5 years ago | Side: Equal
unknown91(129) Disputed
4 points

i disagree with the point that you think that women are far more superiour. i think that maybe a little but not far more superiour as such... but yes, i do understand what your trying to say...

5 years ago | Side: Equal
Jesus(210) Disputed
0 points

what are you trying to say?

5 years ago | Side: Not
truthteller9(93) Disputed
1 point

how incredibly sexist and plain wrong. some men debate better some dont

1 year ago | Side: Equal
3 points

In my world there are no men and women. There are humans, no sexism, just people. All humans should be regarded as equal. Beyond differences of physical capabilities or reproductive assignment. To say that men should act a certain way and women should be doing certain things just isn't valid anymore. I was fortunate enough to grow up in a genderless house meaning simply this, we all worked together. It didn't matter who did the dishes, my brother and I both did them. Some nights Mom cooked dinner and some nights Dad cooked dinner or Mom cut the lawn and Dad did gardening. Whatever needed done, it got done and it didn't matter who did it. There were no defined roles of who should be doing what. To my parents, I thank you for that. I have transferred that way of living into my daily life were my partner and I share responsibilities equally and we accomplish them together. I have encountered a lot of sexism, outside, at school, through jobs, on the internet and it's just not acceptable or even correct! I'm not a feminist because I say these things, I'm a humanist. For one to say men have it easier than women, just simply isn't true. For every one thing a man is criticized for or worries about there is one for women too. To say all men are like this and all women are like that is also false. Everyone is unique and has there own way of living. To be sexist is to be critical and frankly I think we should stop that and work together.

1 year ago | Side: Not
2 points

People aren't born equal. Either you have money, you're poor, or you're middle class. I am stuck in the latter.

5 years ago | Side: Not
6 points

actually, the argument is about men and women being equal, not people in general's equality.

5 years ago | Side: Equal
2 points

Average IQ scores for both genders are equal, though men's high scores are higher, and their lower scores are lower.

I think the fact that men compete for mates is conducive to the development of greater rates of mutation in males. This would mean more agile and efficient evolution for humanity-- and despite the popular soundbyte that it has halted in humans, it is still happening.

5 years ago | Side: Not
2 points

This Debate is getting too emotional,a debate should be a two sided chain of rational thoughts that lead to a conclusion(or not)

I personally think that women have the same capacity as men but because of how society has evolved(generally of course) trough out the world women do not currently have the same power.It is getting better however and will only be better in the future unless off course society returns to its primitive roots.

5 years ago | Side: Not
2 points

I think the title of this argument is misleading. Women are not treated the same as men, nor should they be. What it ought to say is "Are women and men treated equally?" Two people can be treated equally without being treated the same and it's often better that way. As an example, men don't need maternity leave from work, so they don't get it. Women do need it, but if they were treated the same as men they wouldn't get it.

With that being said, I understand that this argument is about equality even if it isn't in the title. Women are most certainly not treated equally. The best reports say that women earn seventy-nine cents to every dollar a man makes. The Bush administration continues to make it difficult for women to get access to birth control and abortion. And if you're a woman in the armed services, your chances are one in three that you will be sexually harassed or raped by your male colleagues. I don't know how anyone can acknowledge these facts and think that women are treated equally in our society. I also don't know how a white man can feel comfortable lamenting the lack of an organization to protect the rights of white men, (other than white supremacists, of course).

Supporting Evidence: Misogyny in the Military (www.alternet.org)
5 years ago | Side: Equal Rights
2 points

Nothing is ever equal anywhere. It balances out though. Example, here in Vegas the average female high school drop-out can make more than me, a highly educated drop out (joke, I graduated college.) They just need a boob job and know how to smile. I'd love to make 100k a year working 3 days a week in a club, not gonna happen for me. I'm not very pretty and have no idea where to begin with the make-up and girdles.

I know I know, that's sexist. Whatever. I think it's sexist I can't get hired for cocktails. What do you think of that? You know what they'll say, "we only hire girls for that position." Now walk onto a construction site ladies. Bet they won't say, "we only hire guys for that position." No, 'cause you'll cry and no one wants to see that.

I'm not saying it's easy for a girl to become CEO. It's not easy for me either though. My point is it's not equal, but it balances out.

5 years ago | Side: balance
1 point

Men and Women are not equal in the simple fact that men are physically stronger than women there is one reason and there is a list where women beat men and men beat women. There are more men in the government, more male doctors, more male police officers. Women can reproduce =\

5 years ago | Side: Not
1 point

Like my mother always said, "Women are not the same as men...we have babies for goodness sake. Now i'd love to see a man do that."

4 years ago | Side: Not
1 point

how can anyone say what roles are superior in todays society. one without the other would just not work. yes its true that men and women (in majority) fall into different roles in life, society and the workplace but who's to say for example; a nurse is any less important than a doctor. if nurses didn't do the job they did, it would not enable the doctors to further the process of treatment. we each play a vital role in society, which role is first or last in the process is irrelevant, the world would not work as well as it does without both sexes.

on the other hand; we have been divided in our roles since the start of mankind, the male was the hunter protector, the woman was the maternal caring creative one, males have had it bred into them from the start that they are the only strong hard working providers in the equation, and woman have had it bred into them that they are the weak maternal passive ones who need protecting but the sheer fact women are now actively changing that internal conclusion and seeking to become more shows that women are striving to evolve and are trying to break free from the natural bonds holding them to traditional roles. we therefore must be appreciated for being stronger willed and more intelligent than males perceive, as to fight the internal pull towards our primitive roles takes alot of self driven effort and thought. and for us to try to take on roles that we are not accustomed to and still strive to be the best we can be within them then we must have the upper hand in a way as males have not yet had to evolve from the primitive thinking that the are the strong workers who will fight to protect and be the best, the only thing that has changed so far is the times we live in, men have since the beginning of time gone out to work women have not, but now as i said the times have changed and we are also providing and learning and becoming stronger. Competition and agression and the strength to work is natural to men. just as the maternal instict is natural to us women but the differnce is; women have taught themselves to want more than just housewife and mother. we have broken the thousands of years of these roles being all we know and we have made ourselves now expect and want more from ourselves, life and each other. we have the maternal caring sides yet we now possess the want for strength success, self reliance and status, but naturally until men evolve and accept we could actually share the roles they have then we will never win the dominance war. we do the best in the roles we can claim for ourselves. its through pure strength we have got this far. until we can detach ourselves of the want to bear children or more importantly the bond we have with our children and families, and the arrogance and stubbornness (actually no, the opposite biological primitive pull men have towards being the sole provider) then we can never fully break free from the expectation of us being the weak maternal and emotional sex in the equation and therefor men will always feel dominant in their roles and will defend themselves from anyone that questions it. but remember this; we thought outside of the box and of ourselves and wanted more and got it... just think what the future holds

3 years ago | Side: Equal
1 point

I don't think we're equal in society....I mean, it DOES even out overall, but the way we treat each other just shows that we love to treat each other like crap to show that we're at a bigger disadvantage. Technically, we're equal (definition being "balanced"), but apparently nobody's happy with all the little imbalances that make up the large balance. Women are often abused, but men can also be judged as guilty of abuse just as a result of the woman's word with no trial. I know that'll be debated as to whether that makes us "equal" or not, but it's just an example. There's a counter to everything.

2 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
1 point

Women should be treated equal to men. now lets ask our selves this question; (if you disagree) why shouldn't they be treated equal? Lets think of a scientist for example, what is the first thing you think of, a man in a white lab coat with circle glasses and a clip board. why don't you think of a women? Simple. They are mis treated. Speaking of science, science proves that women put in a leadership role they do significantly better than men do. AND STILL people don't do a think a bit about it. with the economy this low, putting a women in charge would be a smart move, right? Even women who do achieve a high role they are still payed 100 US dollars less. Pathetic, right? Stand up for your selves woman, we are strong and powerful lets take charge!!!! Now you might say who I am to do anything, well I am here to tell you that who are you not to! so lets make a difference!!!!!!!! Please there are thousands of little girls around the world who will never have there dreams come true because of this, maybe even me, so come on. Have a heart. You can change that. Please.

-Ishani, age 11

1 year ago | Side: Not
1 point

womens are not paid properly for the same work what men do,they are not treated properly in some places and they are not treated properly in some families when their ill,they have to send them for work.Even women can do what men do.women are very important in life in different ways,i.e they cook,wash ,take care,some go for work.

1 year ago | Side: Not
1 point

argue for or against the that says EDUCATION IS better THAN MONEY

1 year ago | Side: Not
1 point

The truth is that if ladies are not educated they don't always end up well

336 days ago | Side: Not
1 point

So many valid points on both sides of the fence, in my opinion was married for 17 years to a woman that has been very observant of the differences that men and women get treated in society. Not only has she been very observant she has become a master at manipulating every small crack that was initially there to help people. Unfortunately she isn't the only one that has watched and learned how to...work...the system so to speak. Our system has made it very easy for women to take advantage of whole dictionary of loopholes that condemn a man before he can even say a word...women aren't as naive or non knowing how the world works at this point. It is beneficial for men now a days to have a very tall wall to look over when it comes to woman vs. man. If there is even the smallest fracture in that wall you can bank that a woman will slither into that crack and wait like a cat waiting for a mouse to peak it's cautious head out of its hole. The man will always end up on the losing end of the stick. The movement was created to help women and men, unfortunately it has been compromised and manipulated and such ruined for those that would honor and appreciate the movement. Sad but true in my opinion, there is always hope tho. I am still in hopes to see equal rights in my lifetime but will surely die disappointed. Bend over men and quit fighting it, we are screwed no matter what we do. At work we are finger prints and numbers, at home we are a pool boy or a phone call away from our lives changing. For all of you women that actually are a truly good person, I am sorry that so many out there have ruined an honest effort for your equality. There is alot to the sayings: the woman wears the pants in the family...happy wife happy life...have to check with the boss...instead of using the effort to work for women too many have used it against men...the effort has become a weapon ;(

56 days ago | Side: Not
0 points

Nope.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hazine/WAC.html

http://www.care.org/newsroom/specialreports/women/womens_facts.asp

As long as women are sometimes blamed for being raped, as long as abortions are not always safe and legal, as long as there is a soul-crushing amount of pressure on women to be flawlessly beautiful, as long as women are beaten and traded as property in other countries, as long as women are disproportionately represented in movies, books, and television shows, as long as women are denied promotions and positions they deserve, and as long as little girls are brought up to believe their body is the most important thing about them.

"Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud."

-Rush Limbaugh

"I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."

-Ann Coulter

"Sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for virtuous women."

-Phyllis Schafly

4 years ago | Side: Not
-1 points

Equality between genders will never happen.

Although I am a strong believer in equality, I believe that whilst we still have emotions, women will never be fully equal. Females have children and want to stay with their children and this is a mutual agreement in most relationships. This however leads to the "lack of employment" at the upper end of the scale. You will usually find women who have put their personal lives aside to do this and they will always be at the top of the food chain.

Females possess many aspiring qualities which men do not have, but the ability not to take maternity leave really does put them on an uneven ground. Add this onto the extra sick leave taken for their children, and you have an employee headed fo the tip.

The simple fact is that you cannot be working 4 days a week for a company and expect to get anywhere.

You will also find that men are acred of hurting womens feeling and are scared of relaxing and telling the occasional (in jest of course) joke which the woman may find offensive. This adds tension in the workplace, of which many of the younger staff will drop out because of this.

The feminist movement is a waste of time in the long run, until women have little fotesus which they can store their baby in and have no emotional connection to such child, men wil always reign supreme in the workplace.

5 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
kirstie1126(470) Disputed
3 points

Well, this is one example of how sexism still exists!

As you say "men are acred of hurting womens feeling and are scared of relaxing and telling the occasional (in jest of course) joke which the woman may find offensive."

Why is it if a man makes a sexist joke us women are supposed to laugh it off, but if there is a racist joke some one gets fired?

5 years ago | Side: Equal
tonicole(839) Disputed
2 points

You be straight up trippin' for stereotyping women the way you do.

5 years ago | Side: Equal
duncer(418) Disputed
1 point

wtf "You be straight up trippin' for stereotyping women the way you do." what is that if you can not say somthing that me or jesus understand dont say it at all you newb!

5 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
Chad(53) Disputed
2 points

You absolutely miss the point of equality. If you're equal, then you can feel free to do as you please, just as much as I feel free to do as I please.

5 years ago | Side: Equal
DobbySocks(2) Disputed
2 points

Its sexist guys like you that make the world worst. I'd like to see a man endure the pain of childbirth or being harassed. And just because when a woman has symptoms of pregnancy does not make men "superior" in the workplace.

2 years ago | Side: Equal
-2 points
unknown91(129) Disputed
5 points

this is my point exactly... women are not treated equally because if they were then you would know that women are not ment for "pounding" at all and men are not entitled to "pound" women ever. what gives a man the right to "pound" someone which is not rightfully theres to pound in any way...

5 years ago | Side: Equality Won't happen
Diluck(51) Disputed
2 points

Well there is the obvious reason of reproduction. A Key and a Key lock are both necessarily to perform the function of locking a door. They essentially are two halves of the same whole; just the same as Men and Women are. We need each other to survive. Traditionally Men offered Protection, Food and Shelter and the woman provided her womb for child bearing, prepared meals and had sex to pleasure the men. I don't believe anyone should be forced to have a role predestined for them. But when in such a contract and similar ones exist today it is not cruel for the man to have sex. And it definitely isn't cruel if two people consent and want to have sex. If a man is forcing a woman to have sex than it is wrong.

5 years ago | Side: Not
duncer(418) Disputed
-1 points

women are made for pounding/loving or they woldent have babey eh......

5 years ago | Side: Not
-2 points
DobbySocks(2) Disputed
2 points

Wow. You are so immature, sexist and STUPID. Any reasoning? You are in a debate,just saying that men are superior doesn't mean they are. Do men have to worry about pregnancy? Periods? Being Raped? Underpayed? Guys like you don't have it so bad. Being superior is not about having more rights or being paid the right amount. That depends on how sexist the boss is. Men are weaker in my opinion, as even though they think they are stronger they aren't. Women have to go through so many sexist things from men and survive. What if we lived in a world where men were suddenly treated like that? You wouldn't survive, while otherwise women have to and know how. So if men discriminating women means men are superior then you are just STUPID.

2 years ago | Side: Equal
nova5409(2) Disputed
1 point

If women are so strong then why is it in the armed forces women have different physical standards but we get paid the same to do same job how is that fair? Also do you think women should be in combat do you think they could do it?

1 year ago | Side: Not
riahlize(1527) Disputed
1 point

Do men have to worry about pregnancy? Periods?

Not about themselves, but many do worry when their significant other goes through it.

Being Raped? Underpayed?

These two can happen to men.

Guys like you don't have it so bad.

And here is your precursor to hypocrisy.

1 year ago | Side: Not
truthteller9(93) Disputed
1 point

wow what a mindless sexist man hating abusive post, shame on you

1 year ago | Side: Not


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