I purposely made this debate that vague so that it could allow more discussion on different levels. So pick on what ever area you feel like because it doesn't really matter to me. [:

This debate needs a bit of clarification because there are some obvious areas where men & women are not equal (i.e. reproductive capability, physical strength, etc), however, there are other areas that could spur a great debate.

For instance, are men & women equal in these 4 areas?

- Economic independence

- Reconciliation of private and professional life

- Equal representation in decision-making

- Gender stereotypes

From my point of view nowadays if you are a straight, white, male, not a drugaddict or alcoholic, if you have a nice job and do not have aids - you are the most discriminated person ever.

I mean come on there are organisations that fight for women's rights. For gay's rights. For black's rights. For everyone's rights except for normal guys) I think we should really start bothering about majority rights being discriminated.

In a perfect world there woulbe be no debate o nthis one. We are equal unless we for some reason think we are ebtter the nsomeone else which is selfish and totally wrong.

With the latest social standing that we are I would like to believe that a man and woman is equal now in every single phase. Woman have fight for their equality right for the recent years and believe that they have already acquired it. They have proven themselves in every single way that they can also do the same things man could. Even surpassing some qualities at some point. Now I don't want to argue about if woman is more better than man.

So are you implying that women should become more agresive than men and some how force men into treating women the same?

do you think that men will let women push them around?

Your points are probable but it seems as if you are proposing violence, u will ruin the hard work already put in by women such as E. caddy stanton or susan B.anthony

if not women in our society (US) are taking their rights for granted considering women in othre parts of the world

I think that Men and Women are basically equal. I do believe that women do earn less than men on average and that this is probably at least in part due to sexism. In this current age women are becoming just as educated as men. If they do not want to work for less under the club of men than they are just as smart and just as legally able to create their own businesses. It is unlikely that people will refuse to use a service or product provided by a female owned business, especially if the product or service is better.

Woman have every legal right to take charge and dominate in business and careers. If anyone chooses to be an employee instead of an employer you have do deal with some jerk employer regardless of your gender, race or whatever else. Now the fact that more women aren't entrepreneurs and business owners is a personal choice and will probably change in the near future. Women have the same level of education as men now it is their job to learn how to use it to their advantage.

Just because women have equal rights doesn't mean they will have instant economic and social equality that is a long slow evolving process you can spark with your own self-improvement.

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Women are not equal to men; their representation in government, economic institutions, and social institutions (as leaders) are not prominent given their numerical parity with their opposite gender.

Women are underpaid, overworked, and are rarely in positions of power and authority. This, though changing, still leaves them at a disadvantage to men.

The reason for this; though, is not any biological differences (by all accounts women are actually stronger and healthier than men). The difference is accounted for in the women's perceptions of themselves, what they feel their place is, their unwillingness to engage in economic, social, or even violent conflict. This stems from social indoctrination, familial indoctrination, and their own inability to break free from these influences and knock down the structures that oppress them.

If women are going to become equal to men they are first going to have to become as ruthless, cutthroat, strong, courageous, and aggressive as men. Women are going to have to show themselves to be the strong creatures that they are; women are going to have to take their rightful place as masters of their own destiny, by any means necessary.

Women can't be victims anymore; they must train themselves to fight, they must teach their daughters to fight (not just with Karate classes but showing them to stand up for themselves in a number of ways). Every woman should know how to defend herself; legally, physically, economically, socially; they must make men know they cannot be taken advantage of.

Every culture, every nation, every class, every religion, every ethnicity, each gender; sexuality; the only way they achieved equality, dominion, freedom, and security is through their ability to defend themselves and maintain their status as free and independent beings. If women are to break free of their chains they must do so in kind.

Women are not exactly treated the same in todays soicety. Though i must admit, it is alot better then the earlier days though. there are still some jobs that women get a less pay rate as men. this also happens in car shops, i.e. mechanics give women a dearer price to fix their car as they believe that women are stupid in the knowledge of cars etc.

therefore making no, women are not treated equally.

the same goes for men. you dont see men hairdressers very often or men cosmetic people do you. goes both ways here...

Men and woman aren't equal and never will be. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have equal rights under the law. At the moment they have an equal opportunity (to be politicians/lawyers/doctors/house wives) and they, if motivated, can and wlll do anything a man does.

The question must therefore be, if they have (basically) the same potential as men in the work place, why then are the discrepencies still so large in terms of percentage? I think it comes down to too factors. First, many women are culturally predisposed to different occupations (nurse, secretary, so on) and will train for those jobs with less anxiety as if they were (say) wanting to become a lumberjack. Another factor is biology. Humans have evolved such that men did the hunting and women the child rearing and "gathering". This has effected men in a number of ways, from sense of humor, to upper strength, to male voice depth, pain tollerance, mental directness, and more. Similarily, it has made (most) women smaller, less cardio-efficient (hemoglobins), more meticulous and creative (including the apparent ability to think more abstractly about spatial language), and much more sensitive. These are all very actual traits that manifest in a macro scale and divide men and women. It is not possible that these traits haven't predisposed men and women to certain careers (or lack thereof) that makes "gender engenderment" much less offences. So, with these two factors in mind, the descrepencies in the workplace are much less important with the knowledge that a 50/50 male/female doctor ratio is probably unnatural (at least) and a false equality. We should anticipate the differences in stead of trying artificially deflate them.

I say that men and women are not equal because it is not about equality in the first place. What we, as humans, do not realize is that men have their roles, and women have their roles in society. Is one persons' role greater than the others? I would wager to say no. Men tend not to be nurturing beings. Nonetheless, does that make them the lesser of the two sexes? Women tend to be the weaker (physically) of the two sexes. Yet again, are they any less of a people than men are? I think that men and women's roles should be saved for a different debate. Then the argument must be made as to what standard is used to measure equality. I say all of this to say that men and women are not equal, because their roles are different, not because one sex is better or worse than the other. Much respect!

A recent Supreme Court ruling shows that women in the United States are treated unfairly on the basis of pay. If a woman wishes to file Title XII on the basis of not being paid the same as a man in the same position, she must do so within 180 days of the beginning of her employment with that particular employer. In other words, you only have six months and then you can't do a thing about it. Apparently, you have to investigate your company for unfair wage practices the moment you start working for them. The Republicans overwhelmingly did nothing about it, McCain going so far as to say that it would create 'unnecessary' lawsuits. So, Mr. McCain, wanting equal pay is 'unnecessary'?

'...a Title VII complaint must be filed within 180 days of the specific action that sets discriminatory pay, regardless of its ongoing and continuing discriminatory impact on the employee.' - from www.now.org

Not equal mentally and biologically... i know this. main reason why they do different shit in modern society. if you look at the animal kingdom, most animals set up certain roles for the male and female, and we've been like that for probably thousands of years.

i have no problem with women being treated the same as men... i really couldn't give a shit. but it's not like it's a big deal if more men hold power than women... that's actually natural (nature wise). now, if you're one of those people who believe "God made us equal" well, then you have a point that really can't be rebuttled (since others don't believe in moral authority).

It's all a function of geography. In North America, and for the most part in South America, Europe and Oceania and a few scattered places in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, women are equal.

They are not equal everywhere, so woman are not treated equally yet.

Please note that equality does not mean sameness. Looking at wage statistics doesn't make sense when we're biologically different. It's quite possible to be different, but be morally equivalent, and that is the case.

Different chromosomes mean different tendencies. For example, there was a lot of concern about the lack of women in technical fields in the 70's. When all the data came back in, girls were not "deficient" in mathematics, it turned out they all just went into medicine, or non-technical fields as a choice.

I don't think that men and women are equal at all. Women are far superior to men. Especially in debating. I don't think one man could outlast a woman in a debate. Lol. [-:0

People aren't born equal. Either you have money, you're poor, or you're middle class. I am stuck in the latter.

Average IQ scores for both genders are equal, though men's high scores are higher, and their lower scores are lower.

I think the fact that men compete for mates is conducive to the development of greater rates of mutation in males. This would mean more agile and efficient evolution for humanity-- and despite the popular soundbyte that it has halted in humans, it is still happening.

This Debate is getting too emotional,a debate should be a two sided chain of rational thoughts that lead to a conclusion(or not)

I personally think that women have the same capacity as men but because of how society has evolved(generally of course) trough out the world women do not currently have the same power.It is getting better however and will only be better in the future unless off course society returns to its primitive roots.

I think the title of this argument is misleading. Women are not treated the same as men, nor should they be. What it ought to say is "Are women and men treated equally?" Two people can be treated equally without being treated the same and it's often better that way. As an example, men don't need maternity leave from work, so they don't get it. Women do need it, but if they were treated the same as men they wouldn't get it.

With that being said, I understand that this argument is about equality even if it isn't in the title. Women are most certainly not treated equally. The best reports say that women earn seventy-nine cents to every dollar a man makes. The Bush administration continues to make it difficult for women to get access to birth control and abortion. And if you're a woman in the armed services, your chances are one in three that you will be sexually harassed or raped by your male colleagues. I don't know how anyone can acknowledge these facts and think that women are treated equally in our society. I also don't know how a white man can feel comfortable lamenting the lack of an organization to protect the rights of white men, (other than white supremacists, of course).

Nothing is ever equal anywhere. It balances out though. Example, here in Vegas the average female high school drop-out can make more than me, a highly educated drop out (joke, I graduated college.) They just need a boob job and know how to smile. I'd love to make 100k a year working 3 days a week in a club, not gonna happen for me. I'm not very pretty and have no idea where to begin with the make-up and girdles.

I know I know, that's sexist. Whatever. I think it's sexist I can't get hired for cocktails. What do you think of that? You know what they'll say, "we only hire girls for that position." Now walk onto a construction site ladies. Bet they won't say, "we only hire guys for that position." No, 'cause you'll cry and no one wants to see that.

I'm not saying it's easy for a girl to become CEO. It's not easy for me either though. My point is it's not equal, but it balances out.

Men and Women are not equal in the simple fact that men are physically stronger than women there is one reason and there is a list where women beat men and men beat women. There are more men in the government, more male doctors, more male police officers. Women can reproduce =\

Like my mother always said, "Women are not the same as men...we have babies for goodness sake. Now i'd love to see a man do that."

Nope.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hazine/WAC.html

http://www.care.org/newsroom/specialreports/women/womens_facts.asp

As long as women are sometimes blamed for being raped, as long as abortions are not always safe and legal, as long as there is a soul-crushing amount of pressure on women to be flawlessly beautiful, as long as women are beaten and traded as property in other countries, as long as women are disproportionately represented in movies, books, and television shows, as long as women are denied promotions and positions they deserve, and as long as little girls are brought up to believe their body is the most important thing about them.

"Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud."

-Rush Limbaugh

"I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."

-Ann Coulter

"Sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for virtuous women."

-Phyllis Schafly

Equality between genders will never happen.

Although I am a strong believer in equality, I believe that whilst we still have emotions, women will never be fully equal. Females have children and want to stay with their children and this is a mutual agreement in most relationships. This however leads to the "lack of employment" at the upper end of the scale. You will usually find women who have put their personal lives aside to do this and they will always be at the top of the food chain.

Females possess many aspiring qualities which men do not have, but the ability not to take maternity leave really does put them on an uneven ground. Add this onto the extra sick leave taken for their children, and you have an employee headed fo the tip.

The simple fact is that you cannot be working 4 days a week for a company and expect to get anywhere.

You will also find that men are acred of hurting womens feeling and are scared of relaxing and telling the occasional (in jest of course) joke which the woman may find offensive. This adds tension in the workplace, of which many of the younger staff will drop out because of this.

The feminist movement is a waste of time in the long run, until women have little fotesus which they can store their baby in and have no emotional connection to such child, men wil always reign supreme in the workplace.

MEN WILL ALWAYS BE SUPERIOR!!!!!!!!!!

Men were built to pound women and women were built to take the pounding. And when the man rolls off and falls asleep, the woman is still capable of some more pounding. It's all about this evolutionary thing.

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