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Merit-Based Immigration


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4 points

I don't allow just anybody to come into my house.

My company has standards for who they hire.

Harvard has EXTREMELY strict standards for who is accepted and allowed to attend classes.

I fail to see how it is not important to have standards that improve the quality of our country.

Side: Sound Principle
4 points

@marcusmoon

I agree with this.

To continue with another example, the same applies for a sports team. There are limits to how many can be (reasonably) admitted, if a player "trying-out" has high skill and would be an asset to the team, then they would be very happy to have them assimilate to the group. However, a team would not take on board an excessive number of low-skill/poor athletes, as it would drag them down.

Australia (and elsewhere) already operate on this principle/policy

Side: Sound Principle
1 point

@marcusmoon

I don't allow just anybody to come into my house.

My company has standards for who they hire.

Harvard has EXTREMELY strict standards for who is accepted and allowed to attend classes.

I fail to see how it is not important to have standards that improve the quality of our country.

Why do you think the US catches so much grief for suggesting even a lower-level Merit type program when other countries already implement rather rigorous Merit-based immigration policies (and aren't "in the firing-line" for it)?

Side: Sound Principle
marcusmoon(576) Clarified
1 point

Why do you think the US catches so much grief for suggesting even a lower-level Merit type program when other countries already implement rather rigorous Merit-based immigration policies (and aren't "in the firing-line" for it)?

I really don't know for sure, but I think there are a few obvious possibilities.

- 1 - The "dream of America" has been fueled by all the 20th century hype and American self-congratulation abroad. The result has been the impression that the whole world has been invited to come and share in the dream. Therefore, the mere whisper of rescinding the invitation to some causes disappointment, distress, and entitled judgment.

- 2 - The despair and envy felt by some in oppressed and poor nations fuels the desire to go to better places, symbolized by the American Dream (discussed in number 1). This combines with the ignorant utopian fantasies of those who argue for borderless globalism. When those dreams are threatened, some people rage against it, or criticize those who would limit access to the dream, in the hopes of keeping the access open to all.

- 3 - Socialists, post-modernists, and other folks who do not understand economics think of wealth as limited, not created by free market capitalism. This combines with resentment of the abuses of the Colonial period, to create an assumption that the wealth of the US is the result of theft, as is the poverty of the third world. This results in the assumption of entitlement to share in the wealth of the US. Threatening to limit access by the poor, uneducated, and disadvantaged smacks of continuation of the "theft".

- 4 - Some people want to see the US be weakened by filling it with people without skills, with low IQs, who want to drain the US' social services, and who do not want to assimilate to American culture.

- 5 - Most people in the world do not have any problem with merit based immigration. It is just insecure and incompetent Americans who act like the world has a problem with a merit system because they know they could not compete for jobs with people who would meet the standards being discussed.

- 6 - The criticism is not actually fueled by any problems with merit-based immigration to the US, and all of the "objection" is really just from people who believe the misinformation/misapprehension that Trump is a racist, a nationalist, an authoritarian, etc.. As such they criticize anything Trump suggests or wants because of an unwarranted assumption that knee-jerk criticism of his policies will somehow prevent his "dastardly scheme" from succeeding.

- 7 - It is empty virtue signaling composed of plain, thoughtless contentiousness combined the belief that somehow people who criticize the US are thereby virtuous.

Side: Sound Principle
3 points

I think immigrant aspirants should be considered on the level of requirement for their skills or professions.

After this process has been satisfactorily completed positive vetting of their character should be established so the host nation receives only those whose skills and ability are compatible with the nation's requirements and are of sound character.

Side: Sound Principle
xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
2 points

@Antrim

Yes, that is essentially the program that Australia follows

Side: Sound Principle
1 point

Antrim,

I think immigrant aspirants should be considered on the level of requirement for their skills or professions.

After this process has been satisfactorily completed positive vetting of their character should be established

Likewise, I would add screening for the following:

IQ In addition to the merits Trump has laid out, the measured IQ should be higher than the current US national average.

Severe genetically transmittable health issues There is no profit to bring into our national gene pool more genes for diseases like Muscular Dystrophy, Huntington's Chorea, Parkinson's disease, Schizophrenia, etc..

Implicit in my desire to screen for these genetically based qualities and issues is a belief that the goal is to attract the world's best and brightest to become citizens, and to contribute their DNA to our national gene pool.

The Goal

I am fundamentally against work/educational tourism, except as a trial period to determine whether we are a good fit for assimilation and citizenship.

I don't want good people living here for decades without becoming US citizens. We need for EVERYONE who is here to be committed unreservedly to the good of our nation, to love it as their one and only home.

I would suggest an initial visa for a maximum of 3 years, with a single renewal for 5 years, available only to those who have applied for citizenship. If by the end of the renewal, the candidate has not renounced prior citizenship, and become a US Citizen, then it is time to leave, NO EXCEPTIONS. We don't need permanent houseguests.

What we need is for the world's best to join the family.

Side: Sound Principle
2 points

Thats a great idea, we should only accept those who have some kind of diploma

Side: Sound Principle
2 points

@cruzaders

Thats a great idea, we should only accept those who have some kind of diploma

This is how Australia, as well as other Nations, already operate--On Merit-based Immigration

Side: Sound Principle
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