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Mormons are members of a cult, but it would be OK for one of them to be president
The word cult in current popular usage usually refers to a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.
There are different levels of bad "cults". Very bad ones result in suicide, like Jim Jones. Mormons aren't really bad, they probably stress too much about sin, but they really aren't hurting themselves much more than Catholics, or any other religion. They are, statistically, well educated about religion in general, but have not been told the truth about a lot of their religion. This is unfortunate, but it is better that people learn about Mormonism, by curiosity about Mitt Romney, out in the open, hearing news people talk about it in a an open, public dialogue, than privately with Mormon Missionaries.
The primary definition of the word cult in most dictionaries is "a system of religious worship." Certainly, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches a system of religious worship. They try their best to worship their Father in Heaven and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. They honestly think they are being good, doing what Jesus wants. They honestly think they are growing in their ability to love, and follow the commandments. Instead of looking that them as weirdos, who are our enemies, we should look at them as friends who need our help.
The word cult means nothing specifically, because the word has so many different definitions. However, it does accomplish the verbal equivalent of spitting on someone's beliefs.
If the Mormon Church was a cult they would be secretive about their acts and beliefs, but in fact there are 53,000 missionaries and 12 million members all over the world who will tell you all about Mormonism if you ask them... and even if you don't.
Only those who are not members of a church are not members of a cult. It would be great if the U.S. was evolved enough in our thinking to elect someone to president who didn't believe in fairy tales, alas we are not.
So I don't care which cult they are a member of as long as they are evolved enough to understand separation of church and state doesn't mean Christians have a right to shove their horrid superstition down everyone's throat...
And yeah, they're Christian. Christian from Christ. It's the same Jesus dude no matter the doctrines and discrepancies in details.
Religion should not be a relevant factor in determining a democratic leader. That's how separation of Church and State works. Religion can partially show a man's character, but rarely does one's character automatically adhere to a stereotype based upon their faith.
Whether Mormonism is a cult or not is not relevant. The examination of character should come without the immediate thought upon what faith someone is.
Mormons may seem a little cult like, but, really, not a hell of alot more than the other branches of christianity. ANYWAY, as long as the president is not forcing his religion on america or making huge life changing decisions for us based on his beliefs, i don't see the issue.
I really don't understand how Mormons put their story about their god it is so strange to me. I personally think that this nation is in big trouble because it is trying to be above God instead of being under God. Gods wrath is coming. We need Godly people in the congress that will lean only unto the will of God.
Yes, to hell with separation of church and state. We need one nation under desert goat herders, cause Da Big Bad God comin' to get us. We have the minds of small children, so we actually believe such utter nonsense.
Why shouldn't we have a president who believes he can become a god? Superstitious nonsense is superstitious nonsense. You can call it Mormonism, Christianity, Islam or Hinduism. It's still fairytale bull crap.
What is the difference between a delusional person, a cult and a religion?
What material changes would a Mormon probably cause to make him so horrific as president? Does the book of Mormon or the bible command Mormons to behave in a way that would hurt America if one became president? If the book does, do most Mormons interpret it or actually act on it in a way themselves that would be harmful?
I don't think the purpose of this site is for people only state what side they are... It would be nice if you tried to make an argument... You say: "I believe that Mormonism is a cult". What do you mean by that? Why "not vote for a cult member if I had to think about it"? Just stating your conclusion doesn't really advance any sort of debate...
Sorry. I was tied. Anyway, Mormons are a cult because of how they treat their members. They have weird beliefs that they hide from the beginners until the person is trapped in that cult. They think that the women are eternally pregnant (weird), and have other unbiblical beliefs such as baptism for the dead. I suggest that you read "The God Makers".
Jesus said: "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." He said this in context of not telling his believers all the parts of the gospel until they are ready for it. 1 Corinthians 3:2... this is the verse that Mormons would use to explain why they start with the easy stuff, but they do tell all their beliefs... They don't always tell all their history, or all the dumb stuff previous leaders tell, but investigators do learn all the current Mormon teachers before they are baptized... I was a missionary... No one is "trapped"... people leave all the time... 1/2 of Brigham Young's "wives" divorced him... I did not learn that until after my mission, but it is true, and no one is "trapped"... It doesn't speak well for Brigham Young or Mormons, but I think it does disprove what you are saying...
re: "They think that the women are eternally pregnant (weird)" Mormons believe that God is the Physical father of Jesus, that Jesus is the only "begotten" son of God in the Flesh, but that the rest of us are "spirit children" of God and a heavenly mother... No Mormon leader has ever explained what this means, or how spirit children are created... so you are wrong... Mormons do not think that Mormon women are eternally pregnant... You have probably been watching videos that exaggerate Mormon beliefs... Mormon beliefs are weird, but you don't need to exaggerate them... Just stick with actual Mormon beliefs, and you can still freak people out, if that is your goal... My advise is to go after Mormon history, especially Joseph Smith...
Mormons would say that Baptism for the dead is Biblical. "Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?" (1 Cor. 15:29, NASB).
I think that you have clearly lost your mind Christianity makes a lot more since then Mormonism a lot of the Mormon belief is weird in how it is made up.
cult (n)- a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object
So really, most religions are cults, both Christianity and mormonism included.
Mormon belief is weird in how it is made up.
I could say the same thing about classical Christianity. Simply because someone's beliefs are different than your own does not make you normal and them cult members.
So really, most religions are cults, both Christianity and mormonism included.
That is where you are wrong Christianity is not a religion is a relationship.
I could say the same thing about classical Christianity. Simply because someone's beliefs are different than your own does not make you normal and them cult members.
I bet you if you compare Christianity to Mormonism, Christianity would make way more sense that Mormonism seriously I am not even joking.
No it is not you wouldn't have even ask me that if I haven't said relationship be real man. Besides you thinking Mormonism is a religion or a relationship what you think it is make should you answer doesn't even come close to the meaning of religion,relationship made up by someone I want you to really use your head on this one.
A mormon would disagree...
I see what you are doing but it won't work lol (evil laugh) of course they will because they are lost in the dark in a dead faith.
No it is not you wouldn't have even ask me that if I haven't said relationship be real man. Besides you thinking Mormonism is a religion or a relationship what you think it is make should you answer doesn't even come close to the meaning of religion,relationship made up by someone I want you to really use your head on this one.
It's not illegal to use periods, you know. I don't understand what you are trying to say.
I see what you are doing but it won't work lol (evil laugh) of course they will because they are lost in the dark in a dead faith.
And mormons would say that about you. Mormons think they are right. Classical christians think they are right. Both are cults of sorts. What about mormonism is cult-like that is not also true for christianity?
It's not illegal to use periods, you know. I don't understand what you are trying to say.
You read things before that that I didn't add punctuation and understood it. Why not this one. What I can't understand is how someone can add or not at punctuation to the science filth made up by other men's theories which is all bullcrap off the wall ideas and still understand and agree to it I am glad you didn't understand me because I put it that way on purpose.
And mormons would say that about you. Mormons think they are right. Classical christians think they are right. Both are cults of sorts. What about mormonism is cult-like that is not also true for christianity?
You read things before that that I didn't add punctuation and understood it. Why not this one.
It was harder to decipher.
What I can't understand is how someone can add or not at punctuation to the science filth made up by other men's theories which is all bullcrap off the wall ideas and still understand and agree to it
So you don't understand why people punctuate sentences in science-related papers? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
I am glad you didn't understand me because I put it that way on purpose.
Then I am wasting my time. Why would you phrase your argument intentionally so that the other person cannot understand it?
Nope
What kind of a response is that? If you an actual rebuttals, feel free to post them.
"Science filth"? Science is what allows you to be on this site. Science is what allows you to take a shower in the morning. Science is what allows text to be printed, ergo, science is what allows you to have the opportunity to read your fiction book. Referring to science as filth and then thanking a non existant deity for being incapable shows an intentional effort to remain ignorant in order to keep your pointless faith.
Science doesn't help me with any of those things God wakes me up every morning and the books are man made but the Bible is man made with God being there and His approval. Not referring to an existing deity that is capable of all things shows an intentional effort for you to remain ignorant in order to make Satan leap for joy because you are walking farther away from the light.
Lol I'd rather spend an eternity with Satan then with an evil deity who requires an abundance of evil in the world (save your unbased attempts to justify it). And since you claim god is in fact existent he is subject to the laws of existence: "The burden of proof is never on the negative, but besides the numerous logical stances that invalidate anything proposed by theists I propose the Ayn Rand approach. If existence exists then two axioms( preconditions for proof) are established: the axiom of identity and the axiom of existence. The axiom of existence states that reality takes place in a plain of existence( no duh) and the axiom of identity states that everything in existence has properties that make it what is is A.K.A possessing identity. The concept of infinity doesn't mean large or any determinable adjective, it means larger then any known or presented variable. As such an object said to be infinite lacks identity, therefor it doesn't take place in existence, therefor it doesn't exist. The only position one can really take against this approach is claiming reality does not operate off of objective logic (which is the position any theist would have to take) and as such, they place themselves outside the protocol of logic. As such, you can not "prove" anything to theists. Their realty is subjective to whatever whims they need to fulfill in order to sustain their happy little bubble of ignorance."
Your god(if he were to exist) is the source of the devil and the source of all evil. It doesn't matter whether or not you believe it is justified evil(which it wouldn't be). He requires on abundance of evil and an abundance of ignorance. You still haven't addressed my arguments. If you are unwilling to debate then why be on this site? It is obvious you hold contempt for reason, go drivel on some Christian site or another social network whose purpose isn't the exchange of intelligent arguments and ideas.
"I bet you if you compare Christianity to Mormonism, Christianity would make way more sense that Mormonism seriously I am not even joking."
I would like to refer you to my argument with Ismaila. Mormonism is a sect of Christianity. Christianity is an overarching religious belief in the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth. The religion I presume you are referring to is Protestantism. Protestantism is no more Christian than Mormonism, and trying to say Mormonism is not Christian is like trying to say an acorn is not from an oak tree.
You think a 600-year old man was able to fit 12-24 million organisms on a 200ft long boat, have food to store, water, and have NONE of them die.
You think that a talking snake is the reason we sin.
You think the first human just appeared randomly out of nowhere and ten somehow (despite all the empirical facts and science to the contrary) were bale to create the entic diversity of today's humans.
You believe a son of God, born to a virgin, who had twelve disciples, preached their religion, was crucified for the sins of humanity, and rose from the dead on the third day RJ join his father, named Jesus existed…
…but you refuse to believe a son of God, born to a virgin, who had twelve disciples, preached their religion, was crucified for the sins of humanity, and rose from the dead on the third day RJ join his father, named MITHRA (a pagan god who was claimed to have done all of that 2500 years BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN) existed.
And after all that, you have the nerve to call Mormons cult members?!?!
You are wrong again, little boy. Christianity is not a cult, it is the true religion. Christians have a relationship with the one true God. That is why it is not a cult.
I'm getting a bit annoyed with Christians thinking they are better than everyone else. They are right and wveyone else is wrong (not you sowvifically, but the general idea). Why are mailings wrong? Why are the people of my religion wrong? Why are Buddhists wrong? Heck, why are atheists wrong?
Dude, seriously? I as a Christian do not think that I am better than anyone else. Not all Christians think that they are better than anyone else. It is not arrogant to disagree, but it is arrogant to stereotype.
I don't mind you disagreeing with Apollo, but it's annoying that you're looking down on him because of his age. He is very wise and mature for his age. And if you're going to look down on him for his age, whether you think you are or not, then you need to look at Srom. He's the same age, I believe or a year difference, and he is not nearly as wise or open-minded as Apollo.
Listen kiddo, and I mean that in a nice way, I have no problem with you. I just want to you to be nice to me. I am not used to debate websites. I mean I have debated before, but I am not used to having to type a whole paragraph to answer a question. I am used to being on this one website called SodaHead where you do not have to put much effort into things if you do not want to. I will try and catch up, okay?
The primary definition of cult is "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object" according to the Oxford English Dictionary. I am pretty sure all religion falls under this category. Why would religion or belief system matter for presidential qualifications? Certainly, their religion might influence their policies, but we should judge them based on their policies, not on the beliefs that may or may not have caused those policies.
Also, Christianity includes Mormonism. Differentiating Mormons and Christians is impossible. You can differentiate Mormons and Catholics, Mormons and Presbyterians, Protestants and Mormons, etc. but you cannot do so with Mormons and Christians. Just a pet peeve of mine when (typically Protestants) people attempt to claim that they specifically are Christians, when in fact all Catholics, Mormons, Presbyterians, Puritans, East Orthodox, etc. are also Christians.
"Mormons are not Christians and neither are Catholics."
"The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices" -The Oxford English Dictionary definition of "Christianity."
"relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings" -The Oxford English Dictionary definition of "Christian."
Since all Christian religions (Mormonism, Presbyterianism, Protestantism, Jesuits, Puritanism, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc.) profess to a belief in the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, all Christian religions are Christian. That's pretty self-evident. Metaphorically, it's like Christianity is the tree, and all the sects (Mormonism, Protestantism, Catholicism, etc.) are branches off the main trunk/each other. In fact, since Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox split in 1054, it could be argued that these two are the most fundamental to Christianity (though any one sect has just as much right to claim to be the "true" belief system as any other does).
If this post was tl;dr, essentially history says you're wrong, and you are being ignorant claiming Mormons and Catholics are not Christians.
You are wrong. Anyone whop teaches false doctrine is not a Christian, and that is exactly what Catholics and Mormons do. The Catholics teach about purgatory, and the Mormons teach about salvation after death. Both teachings are false.
I can play this game too (the game where you make claims without providing substantiating evidence to support your claims). You are wrong. I am right.
Especially since you did not refute any of my statements. Historically speaking, your are wrong. Doctrinally, you are wrong. I'm sorry if you want to remain historically ignorant, but don't tell other people that they are without providing some misguided proof as to why their argument is invalid.
I told you why you are wrong. I do not mean it as an attack, but I am telling you the truth. True Christians do not preach about purgatory or salvation after death. Seriously, you need to stop taking it so personally. I had to learn that lesson too. I am not interested in personal attacks, but actual debate. Let me know if you are game. God bless you.
Conro is the last person who will take rebuttals personally. He is much more mature than you.
Anyway, so what if true Christians do not preach about purgatory or salvation after death? That still doesn't mean that they are not a cult. The OED defines a "cult" as "Worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings." Christianity certainly does fit that description.
Yeah, Conro sounds cool. I have no problem with him personally. I just disagree. As to the the cult thing, maybe they are not a cult, but they are not Christian either.
Yes it is. I'll repeat, a "cult" is defined in the OED as "Worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings." Unless you are telling me that Christians do not worship and revere a divine being, Christianity is a cult.
It is a cult. You have only claimed that I'm wrong. You haven't proven me wrong. On the other hand, I have quoted the OED and Christianity fits the definition of a cult perfectly.
While the word "cult" has negative connotations in colloquial usage, the formal definition of a cult is as the OED defines it. A cult refers to "Worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings." What part of this don't you understand? Or are you even capable of reading at all?
You have not given any arguments to show why that definition is false. Your command of English is obviously amateurish and myopic. No one who is well read will kid themselves by saying that a "cult" is an inherently negative term.
The impression that "cult" has a negative connotation is only true in colloquial terms. The formal definition of a cult is defined as the OED defines it. All you are doing here is asserting without evidence.
If you're that big an ignoramus and don't understand the intricacies of the English language, then you have no business debating. As I have explained, a "cult" is defined formally as "Worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings."
It is not an opinion. It is a fact. The OED defines as "Worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings." It doesn't matter if you like the definition or not, it still doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a cult.
That is your opinion. You are probably trying to make me angry, but it will not work. I have decided to trust God again and serve Him so that I can make Him happy instead of getting angry. God bless you.
It is not an opinion. It is a fact. It is a fact that the OED defines a cult as "Worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings." Thus, Christianity is a cult.
That's your only reply? "Deal with it"? I've proven that it is a fact that a cult refers to "Worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings." Thus, unless Christianity doesn't exhibit the characteristics of a cult as defined by the OED, Christianity is a cult.
That is your opinion, deal with it. I do not care what you say. Since you tried to report me, I will refuse to speak with you unless you apologize for your part in this fight.
"True Christians do not preach about purgatory or salvation after death."
Says who? I can just as easily say true Christians don't allow their religious figures to be married. True Christians believe that we have free will to make good choices as well as evil choices. True Christians recognize historically that all denominations that worship Jesus Christ are Christians. I'm sorry, but it's just historical fact that all sects of Christianity are Christians. Protestant does not mean Christian anymore than Catholic means Christian, and any attempt to claim Protestantism is equal to Christianity (rather than being a subsect of Christianity) is false.
Here's a thought experiment to show you how this works. Suppose there are these things called Whigs. Then there are these things called Mus and some things called Tus. All Mus are Whigs, and all Tus are Whigs, but Mus are not Tus, and not all Whigs are Mus or Tus. Get it? Essentially, it's like one large circle with two smaller circles inside the larger circle.
You are wrong. I know more about my religion than you do. You are not even a Christian so your opinion on Christianity is not relevant as to who is and is not a Christian. Just stop while you are ahead.
Why? Just because there is someone intelligent enough to cut through your nonsense and actually stand up to you? If you have any understanding of philosophy like you claim, you would defend yourself instead of telling others to "fuck off", "deal with it" or "leave you alone".
"You are not even a Christian so your opinion on Christianity is not relevant as to who is and is not a Christian."
It's not an opinion. It's historical fact. I'm sorry if you don't want to accept that, but saying "I am wrong" and that since I am not a Christian I cannot know anything about Christianity is highly disrespectful and, frankly, quite ignorant.
Christians are actually usually the most ignorant theologians. Even when it comes to pastors many can't really discuss the deeper philosophical arguments effectively. Much of christian tradition isn't in the bible, if you want to see how angels look rather than how they have been portrayed then read revelations; they don't read as being very pretty. Many Christians seem unaware of that, they also seem unaware that Jesus wasn't Italian. I can continue, and on more meaningful aspects as well if you would like.
Just because you take on a label, doesn't mean you know more about it than someone who doesn't, especially when many who don't used to take it on themselves.
Some of the most ignorant people I have met have been Christians. This is hardly to say that all Christians are ignorant, it's merely to demonstrate that being a Christian does not necessitate nor require a deep understanding of Christianity. Indeed, it could be argued that it is to the benefit of Christianity as a whole that most of the followers remain relatively ignorant of the theology and history of Christianity.
You don't necessarily know more about a religion because you follow it. I know a lot of people who claim to be something but don't know much about it.
For example, a girl who claimed to be a Satanist said God isn't real, but in the religion you're supposed to believe both. And she argued it wasn't true. lol
And I can name countless time that Christians failed to understand their religion or do something against their religion, being apart of a religion does not mean knowing all about it automatically.
And I'm convinced most the people on this site know more about Christianity than you do.
It is not disrespectful, it's just sometimes a fact. And you're proving you don't know as much as most people on this site by not arguing back at all. You don't argue back because you don't have any knowledge to do so.
I will tell you what is disrespectful though, judging someone based on their age, using profanity to someone who was simply trying to get you to participate, attacking someone who simply disagrees with you, and calling people "arrogant". "bigot". "liar", and any other term you've used.
In fact, you are the most disrespectful person on this site. You also act like the least Christian out of everyone, even those of use that aren't Christian. It's embarrassing.
So rude.... And so unwilling to make a calm, sane response. Really, why is it so hard for you to either respond without being rude, or simply not reply? It's immature and embarrassing.
You're not a door mat to us, we're simply trying to debate with you, since that's kind of the point of this site. But you REFUSE to. And it's annoying. And no matter how many times we tell you to try you get offended by nothing.
I am willing to debate you, because at least you are respectful, but I refuse to debate people who want to pick sides or people who tell me to piss off.
But the thing is, you dont debate her. You say "back off, i dont want anything to do with you!" and call her a liar. Thats how i first came into conflict with you, you were accusing her and i disagreed with you. I wasnt being rude, i was simply disagreeing with you. And right now im just disagreeing with you, so please make a reasonable reply, if you do make one, and don’t yell leave me alone.
Please just stop. I only called her a liar because of something personal that she said to me and it turns out that she did not mean it. I am not going to get into it though, because I do not reveal private information about people. Have a nice day.
Thank you, you actually made a calm argument. Please keep doing this and people will respect you more, and the more they respect you the less you will get mad and make an angry response. See it all goes in a circle, and right now it’s going the opposite way and everyone’s anger keeps fueling the fire. But if you be more calm like this people will stop being angry with you. Have a nice day to you too.
Thanks. But as for the other people, the point of this site is to pick sides and defend them, it's not logical to get upset with someone for doing that. As for ReventonRage, because we all know that's how you're talking about, he was originally speaking hypothetically when he originally said that. You took it literal, when it wasn't. I'm just letting you know.
You're so unChristian that most of the time I wonder if you have even read the Bible or not. All you do is resort to petty whines like "deal with it", "you're very arrogant aren't you", "leave me alone", "fuck off", "you are wrong", "bugger off", "back off", etc.
I have never actually seen you debate at all. All you do is insult others and make unjustified claims in the most strident and vitriolic manner.
See, that's the difference between you and me. Jesus might have lived, but he isn't God. I don't worship him and I don't think God exists. There is no reason I should hold Jesus to a high esteem.
Well, it is true. It is quite apparent that ReventonRage far outmatches your knowledge and depth of knowledge about philosophy, theology, and secular humanism. This compared to someone who has never heard of the most common logical fallacies. I'm not saying you can't learn, but Reventon is currently far more knowledgeable.
Constantly reporting someone will do nothing. At review it will be seen that the only person at fault is you. You are adding nothing to this site. You make no arguments, use no support other then your fiction book, and constantly bitch about self created hostility. If you refuse to communicate intelligently, then do us all a favor and leave.
Lol you're hilarious. Report me if you'd like. I find it absolutely amusing that you equate being out-witted by those far more intelligent then yourself with harrassment.
But you realize that he broke off from the Catholic Church. Meaning Protestants (and descendants of Protestants, which are pretty much most other Christian sects like Mormonism, Puritanism, Presbyterianism, Jesuits, Quakers, etc.) descended from the Catholic Church. Since Christianity clearly predates Martin Luther (they were fed to the lions by the Romans, no?), all of these religions are sects of Christianity. Unless you wish to claim that Christianity is only 500 years old.
Yes, they were Eastern Orthodox. But Protestants (or those whom I assume you're now referring to, incorrectly, as "Christians") descended from, broke off from, Catholics and not Eastern Orthodox followers.
Simply stating "You are wrong" is not an argument. It is not compelling nor persuasive. It doesn't even constitute an argument within the context of logic or debate. This is not a shouting match, please provide evidence and/or reasons why others should accept your conclusion.
You do realize that protestantism is an outgrowth of Catholicism correct?
Unless your an orthodox catholic rather than Roman one, or perhaps a member of one of the old churchs in India it is highly unlikely that your personal religion can't trace it's own lineage to Catholicism.
By stating that Catholics are not true Christians, your basically saying Christianity didn't exist for the most part till Martin Luther translated his theses in 1518.
The belief of many Mormons in their leaders near-infallibility is near cult like. However, luckily, Mormon leaders never say anything very interesting, let alone scary. It's all Oprah be nice to people all the time... Mormons acknowledge that leaders can make mistakes, but they say it never the kind of mistake that will hurt you to follow... It is sort of weird... they try to have it both ways... claiming to have Gods authority, but when they are proven wrong, saying that they never said they were infallible... Sort of like other churches...
That's great news. I'm assuming you didn't vote for Bush then, which is even better. I'd take a Romney over a Bush any day. And of course Obama can depend on your support this November as well (cue crazy talk).
I don't believe that it is a cult anymore. The religion is over 150 years old. They are moving towards becoming a more mainstream religion. If the people choose a Mormon as president (or prime minister), why not allow it?
Mormonism is a little strange, granted, but they are some of the friendliest people you can meet.
Mitt Romney creeps me the hell out. I'm not going to lie. I don't know why. Maybe it's because I'm a bigot. But that's beside the point. I live here in Utah, and the Mormons, while a little weird, are all pretty good people. And they live life well. So no, I don't really have a problem with a mormon president. I have a problem with a bad president, though. And yes, there is a difference.