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Cult Pres. OK Mormons not cult or not OK
Debate Score:234
Arguments:135
Total Votes:267
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Mormons are members of a cult, but it would be OK for one of them to be president

The word cult in current popular usage usually refers to a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.

There are different levels of bad "cults". Very bad ones result in suicide, like Jim Jones. Mormons aren't really bad, they probably stress too much about sin, but they really aren't hurting themselves much more than Catholics, or any other religion. They are, statistically, well educated about religion in general, but have not been told the truth about a lot of their religion. This is unfortunate, but it is better that people learn about Mormonism, by curiosity about Mitt Romney, out in the open, hearing news people talk about it in a an open, public dialogue, than privately with Mormon Missionaries. 

The primary definition of the word cult in most dictionaries is "a system of religious worship." Certainly, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches a system of religious worship. They try their best to worship their Father in Heaven and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. They honestly think they are being good, doing what Jesus wants. They honestly think they are growing in their ability to love, and follow the commandments. Instead of looking that them as weirdos, who are our enemies, we should look at them as friends who need our help. 

The word cult means nothing specifically, because the word has so many different definitions. However, it does accomplish the verbal equivalent of spitting on someone's beliefs. 

If the Mormon Church was a cult they would be secretive about their acts and beliefs, but in fact there are 53,000 missionaries and 12 million members all over the world who will tell you all about Mormonism if you ask them... and even if you don't.

Cult Pres. OK

Side Score: 135
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Mormons not cult or not OK

Side Score: 99
4 points

Only those who are not members of a church are not members of a cult. It would be great if the U.S. was evolved enough in our thinking to elect someone to president who didn't believe in fairy tales, alas we are not.

So I don't care which cult they are a member of as long as they are evolved enough to understand separation of church and state doesn't mean Christians have a right to shove their horrid superstition down everyone's throat...

And yeah, they're Christian. Christian from Christ. It's the same Jesus dude no matter the doctrines and discrepancies in details.

Side: Cult Pres. OK
3 points

Religion should not be a relevant factor in determining a democratic leader. That's how separation of Church and State works. Religion can partially show a man's character, but rarely does one's character automatically adhere to a stereotype based upon their faith.

Whether Mormonism is a cult or not is not relevant. The examination of character should come without the immediate thought upon what faith someone is.

Side: Cult Pres. OK

I see it as just a big a problem as if anyone else involved their religion in the governance of their country,

AKA almost everyone religious.

Side: Cult Pres. OK
1 point

Mormons may seem a little cult like, but, really, not a hell of alot more than the other branches of christianity. ANYWAY, as long as the president is not forcing his religion on america or making huge life changing decisions for us based on his beliefs, i don't see the issue.

Side: Cult Pres. OK

I really don't understand how Mormons put their story about their god it is so strange to me. I personally think that this nation is in big trouble because it is trying to be above God instead of being under God. Gods wrath is coming. We need Godly people in the congress that will lean only unto the will of God.

Side: Mormons not cult or not OK
nahga(81) Disputed
2 points

Yes, to hell with separation of church and state. We need one nation under desert goat herders, cause Da Big Bad God comin' to get us. We have the minds of small children, so we actually believe such utter nonsense.

Why shouldn't we have a president who believes he can become a god? Superstitious nonsense is superstitious nonsense. You can call it Mormonism, Christianity, Islam or Hinduism. It's still fairytale bull crap.

Side: Cult Pres. OK
1 point

The side I am taking is Mormons are a cult and it's HORRIFIC if we have one has a president!

Side: Cult Pres. OK
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

What is the difference between a delusional person, a cult and a religion?

What material changes would a Mormon probably cause to make him so horrific as president? Does the book of Mormon or the bible command Mormons to behave in a way that would hurt America if one became president? If the book does, do most Mormons interpret it or actually act on it in a way themselves that would be harmful?

Side: Cult Pres. OK
1 point

I believe that Mormonism is a cult, and I would not vote for a cult member if I had to think about it.

Side: Mormons not cult or not OK
myclob(437) Disputed
4 points

I don't think the purpose of this site is for people only state what side they are... It would be nice if you tried to make an argument... You say: "I believe that Mormonism is a cult". What do you mean by that? Why "not vote for a cult member if I had to think about it"? Just stating your conclusion doesn't really advance any sort of debate...

Side: Cult Pres. OK
1 point

Sorry. I was tied. Anyway, Mormons are a cult because of how they treat their members. They have weird beliefs that they hide from the beginners until the person is trapped in that cult. They think that the women are eternally pregnant (weird), and have other unbiblical beliefs such as baptism for the dead. I suggest that you read "The God Makers".

Side: Cult Pres. OK
Apollo(1608) Disputed
4 points

Mormonism is no more of a cult than Christianity.

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Side: Cult Pres. OK
1 point

I think that you have clearly lost your mind Christianity makes a lot more since then Mormonism a lot of the Mormon belief is weird in how it is made up.

Side: Mormons not cult or not OK
Sitara(11080) Disputed
-1 points

You are wrong. Christianity is not a cult, but Mormonism is. Deal with it.

Side: Mormons not cult or not OK
Conro(767) Disputed
1 point

The primary definition of cult is "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object" according to the Oxford English Dictionary. I am pretty sure all religion falls under this category. Why would religion or belief system matter for presidential qualifications? Certainly, their religion might influence their policies, but we should judge them based on their policies, not on the beliefs that may or may not have caused those policies.

Also, Christianity includes Mormonism. Differentiating Mormons and Christians is impossible. You can differentiate Mormons and Catholics, Mormons and Presbyterians, Protestants and Mormons, etc. but you cannot do so with Mormons and Christians. Just a pet peeve of mine when (typically Protestants) people attempt to claim that they specifically are Christians, when in fact all Catholics, Mormons, Presbyterians, Puritans, East Orthodox, etc. are also Christians.

Side: Cult Pres. OK
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

You are wrong. Mormons are not Christians and neither are Catholics.

Side: Mormons not cult or not OK
1 point

The belief of many Mormons in their leaders near-infallibility is near cult like. However, luckily, Mormon leaders never say anything very interesting, let alone scary. It's all Oprah be nice to people all the time... Mormons acknowledge that leaders can make mistakes, but they say it never the kind of mistake that will hurt you to follow... It is sort of weird... they try to have it both ways... claiming to have Gods authority, but when they are proven wrong, saying that they never said they were infallible... Sort of like other churches...

Side: Cult Pres. OK
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

That's great news. I'm assuming you didn't vote for Bush then, which is even better. I'd take a Romney over a Bush any day. And of course Obama can depend on your support this November as well (cue crazy talk).

Side: Cult Pres. OK
1 point

I don't believe that it is a cult anymore. The religion is over 150 years old. They are moving towards becoming a more mainstream religion. If the people choose a Mormon as president (or prime minister), why not allow it?

Mormonism is a little strange, granted, but they are some of the friendliest people you can meet.

Side: Mormons not cult or not OK
1 point

Mitt Romney creeps me the hell out. I'm not going to lie. I don't know why. Maybe it's because I'm a bigot. But that's beside the point. I live here in Utah, and the Mormons, while a little weird, are all pretty good people. And they live life well. So no, I don't really have a problem with a mormon president. I have a problem with a bad president, though. And yes, there is a difference.

Side: Mormons not cult or not OK