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Murder and War in the name of religion!!
Famous and renowned Atheists like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris have all cited the dangers of organized religion. And in fact have compared it to a deadly virus.
In that vein, I here offer for your perusal a partial list of some of the killing and mayhem and violence that have been waged in the name of god. Or of a particular superstition...oops I meant religion. (LOL--same thing, anyway!)
Thank you. I also will happily accept any contributions to the list. And instances you woiuld like to cite where religion caused suffering and killing, thus proving it does FAR more harm than good.
I don't agree with you nor will i ever ! But you are really lost to believe all religion should be ended ! Do tell how that might happen i await your intelligent response !
How do you end evil acts ? Evil acts occur daily that don't involve religion so how might those be deterred ? Intelligence response of your's is awaited !
If you believe that evil acts will not stop with religion gone, why do you talk about your hatred of religion? Why would you talk bad about something you don't want to get rid of?
Your link doesn't explain why you hate religion but don't want to end it. Since we know you hate religion can you please explain what you want to result from your hatred?
I hate it for the harm it has done. For the wars it has waged. The innocent but ignorant followers it has manipulated. The way it stands in the way of progress and science.
Thy way its deluded followers criticize science like Evolution just because they do not understand it. Or are afraid to admit that life began here on Earth by piure chance and that after we die there is nothing.
I hate it--Christianity especially-- because of stories like this which are read to kids and so it poluutes their minds,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
A partial list of Deaths caused by Religion throughout History............
The total is between 16 million and 31 million deaths due to religion in recorded history. By comparison, 60 million people died in World War II.
Here's the breakdown, rounding to the nearest million (so the witch hunts don't make the cut):
The Holocaust: 6 million
The Crusades: 1-3 million
Partition of India: 1 million
The Inquisition: 1 million
30 Years War: 3 - 11 million
French Wars of Religion: 2-4 million
Nigerian Civil War: 1-3 million
Second Sudanese Civil War: 1-2 million
As far as what sort of result I would like to see?
Total eradication of Religion. At least as far as a sort of ideology that should be taken seriously, or worse, taken as science. Like the absurd Genesis account which is an insult to us Biologists.
I would like to see religion considered to be no better than, fairy tales. Or superstition. I would like to see the Bible seen as a book of fables and Fairy tales on par with the story of Zeus, or The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.
Region must be swept into the dark corner of ignorance and superstition that it originated from, back when cavemen blamed bad weather on malevolent gods and so they sacrificed virgins to appease them.
I want to see the vast majority of people in the world see Christianity and Islam as as logical and real as that example, with the cavemen.
I would like to see all of the Bibles burned into a huge fire that we could turn into a steam generator and create energy.
The only problem with your analysis is that killing won't go away. Even without religion people will kill other people. I don't know what would actually happen without religion.
Religion provides morals and intellect to many people. Some people use religion as an excuse for fighting people who are different than them. If there was no religion, this would continue to happen. People would kill each other not for believing in another God, but for invading their territory or being a different race.
No matter what religion you believe, your society and your mannerisms are heavily affected by religion. It is socially unacceptable to steal. Why? It goes against religion. Religion also provides people with purpose. Also, being atheist doesn't mean you are against religion. It means you don't believe in God. Many Hindus and Buddhists are Atheist, but they are religious.
Religion provides morals and intellect to many people.
Religion does not provide intellect. Religion tries to provide morals, but it turns out that no one actually uses religion to determine their morals.
Some people use religion as an excuse for fighting people who are different than them. If there was no religion, this would continue to happen. People would kill each other not for believing in another God, but for invading their territory or being a different race.
Religion is supposed to prevent that from happening. Since it fails to do so, we should just get rid of it.
No matter what religion you believe, your society and your mannerisms are heavily affected by religion.
I disagree.
It is socially unacceptable to steal. Why? It goes against religion.
It is socially unacceptable because society doesn't like it.
Religion also provides people with purpose.
It almost does. But, that message ends up getting corrupted and failing.
Also, being atheist doesn't mean you are against religion.
Being against religion is what made me Atheist. How is your statement relevant, though?
It means you don't believe in God. Many Hindus and Buddhists are Atheist, but they are religious.
Religion will always affect history. Its the truth, the Crusades, Holocaust, America! pilgrams go to America for religous freedom. So its no shocker (to me) that relgion plays a part of murder and war.Ares, and spartan; sacerfices and more. Must l continue?
Religion and belief in god has been waning for decades. People are leaving the churches in droves every year in America.
One good thing about all those Islamic extremists is that they are showing the world how dangerous and murderous and corrupt and antiquated religion is.
Soon, ALL religions will be relegated to the dark corner of fantasy and mytholgy and fairy tales.
Where they belong.
Science and technology and logic are our new gods!
Frankly, your optimism seems rather naive. Given the rates of growth for atheism and agnosticism relative to the size and growth rates of theism, it is exceptionally unlikely that theism will be "relegated to the dark corner" anytime soon (certainly not in the lifetime of anyone living now).
To worship science and religion is not quite so bad as worshiping a god, but it is painfully reminiscent of the faults of faith. Empirical secularism is replete with its own fallacies and delusional narratives. To praise these things is to inure ourselves to their faults.
HOW COME YOU LEFT OUT ATHEIST COMMUNISM AND ISLAM WHICH WOULD HAVE CONQUERED EUROPE IF NOT STOPPED BY THE CRUSADERS? YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED PUPPET WILLINGLY PROMOTING AN AGENDA IN YOUR IGNORANCE. THAT AGENDA IS FOR THE ANTI-CHRIST, AND YOU ARE SERVING HIM AND HELL FIRE WILL BE THE PAY YOU GET...DESERVED PAY. DON'T BE A FOOL, REPENT AND BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
The Crusades were a fight by the Eastern Orthodox and Western Catholic Churches in Europe to reconquer the so-called "holy lands" - at least for the first 3. The 4th was the Catholics invading Constantinople (present-day Istanbul) to make their own Venice, Italy the trading capital of Europe. So, the Crusaders were actually trying to conquer other lands instead of protecting their own.
Athiest communism and Islam? Would you look at that, more religion! This seems to be a recurring theme!
GenericName is right. The Gengri Mongols were the ones who stopped communists and Islams.
DON'T BE A FOOL, REPENT AND BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
You actually are going to end up holding a cardboard sign in the city yelling, "THE END IS NEAR!"
Islam was trying to conquer Europe then, and it's trying to conquer Europe now. You're not very bright.
I'm no fan of Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox or Roman, but their bloody Crusades did stop Islam from overspreading Europe and I believe God used them for that purpose. Sometimes God uses one evil army to stop another evil army. God has a plan, and His timing is His timing. Jesus Christ is going to rule the world from Mt. Zion, and at that time all of Israel will know He is there Messiah, the same one they rejected 2000 years ago. The whole world now is lining up to fight over Jerusalem, the Battle of Armageddon is coming exactly as foretold thousands of years ago.
You have seen nothing of war compared to what is coming. Word War III is coming, being pushed by Muslims backed by China and Russia who are making and strengthening their alliance with opposing Muslim countries and jihadist groups and the USA is not going to stop it or be unscathed by it. The ruling elites think they will ride above it all and inherit the Earth when the dust settles after most of the world population has been wiped out. Jesus is coming back, He is the only hope of anybody.
You think communists and Islam were stopped? Are you kidding? All Islam has ever done is spread by murder and oppression, and I don't care what the Crusaders did to beat them out of anywhere they wee dominating, I'm glad they did it and I would be glad to see them do it some more. If the Crusaders conquered lands ruled by Muslims, I say more power to the Crusaders. Muslims are going to force World War III, and Russia and China want that was as well........they all want to trample and own the USA if not bury it completely.
It's amazing how people like you can be so caught up in chasing smoke when the Bible plainly foretold the events unfolding in the news. Go on with your pipe dreams.
I made the mistake of saying in an earlier post that you seem to be well read....I have read all of the stuff you use to slander God's holy word and I have also read all the debunking facts against your anti-Christ accusations. You claim to be educated, but you apparently have never sought objective reasons and answers in preference of things you can believe in order to make yourself feel like you are exempt from God's judgement and ultimately accountable to nobody as you think you get off free in death.
Your problem is not scientific, it's moral and philosophical. If you want arguments to counter your anti-Christ arguments showing you are wrong, then you can look on the web for them easily. I have seen all your garbage, it's all over the web, the disinformation and twisted history and misused/abused science. You can post volumes of that garbage, if people want to believe it they will believe it. If they want to know the truth, they will seek it and find it.
I think it's a waste of time to let you run me around your rabbit trails of anti-Christ junk until you drop into your eternal rabbit hole of dying and find yourself in the fire of Hell. What good would the debating be? I'll just tell you that you cannot justify your life and you need God's mercy to keep you out of Hell.
If you will not be reconciled with God through the gift of His Son who died in your place and rose to justify all who believe on Him, you won't know God's mercy because you are trampling His blood under your feet saying you would rather be a sinner than a saint. That's on you. I have no burden of proof. You are going to see for yourself, then you will have your proof....that's on your shoulders and you can carry it and stink up the world with your perversions as long as God allows.
Catholics are not Christians. You are not a Christian. You might as well be a Catholic. Real Christians have always been hated the same as fools like you hated Jesus, you would cheer me being tortured to death the same as they cheered Jesus the Innocent One being tortured to death. Catholics have always hated and persecuted not only non-Catholic religions, but also true believers who are God's property, saints, bought and paid for by the blood of His Son. Before the Catholic Church was set up in the Roman Empire as supposedly legalized Christianity, followers of Jesus Christ, real children of God, were tortured and killed in the Roman Empire. Real Christians are not oppressors or murderers, and if they understand the Bible they do not have any problem defending their families in war.
Hitler was not a Christian. Catholics are not Christians, just diplomatic/political power grabbers and paws of power grabbers. You have been feed a diet of propaganda to make you a slave to the world, a piece of merchandise and you whore yourself out for whatever pleasures you can get. You're a child of Hell, and of your Father the devil He was a liar, and is the father of lies, and you love your darkness so God who loves you will let you have what you want and you will be, if you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, cast away like garbage to smolder forever in the burning garbage pit of the Lake of Fire. Have it your way if you must .
You think you are educated, but you are just a fool.
And they stopped Islam from conquering Europe, and thank God for that. Yes they committed atrocities, and those men will be judged by God for that but God used them to stop Islam from conquering Europe. Islam will always seek and cause war until it is forever removed from the land of the living and all of it's promoters and proponents are forever confined in the fire of Hell where their passionate anger against the goodness of God will burn like the fire they are in.
Okay, to be fair, he was a "Christian". His actual religious beliefs were essentially a Christian off-shoot cult that were so disconnected from mainstream Christian theology that the association is tenuous at best.
. If you want to teach people that Jesus is not God and He did not pay for your sins with His sinless blood, and He is not risen from the dead.....and the Bible is not His holy word....go on ahead. Judgement Day is coming and you won't be answering to me then. The garbage you are promoting is all over the web. I studied those things before the web was invented just to be aware of how people pretend to be authoritatively intellectual when they fight against God. They, like you, only want to make excuses for their sins and not admit how evil they are. They probably carried as many STD's as you, also. By your own words, statistics strongly indicate that you carry at least two STD's, and if you want to show your education, why don't you tell us what they are, pervert? I have named them in other posts. You have played like an animal and it is extremely unlikely that you are not carrying at least two animalistic STD's.
You are fighting a losing battle against God. You are a fool. Jesus Christ is risen from the dead. If you look objectively at the historical facts you would know, but you choose rather to be a fool because the moments of pleasure in your dirty perversion seem better than life to you. Enjoy while you can if that's what you think is great for you to be, sinner. You won't be laughing for long. LOL your lungs out while God gives you air if you can.
I have had more than plenty enough education of the things you are promoting. It's you who is blocking out history and facts in preference of disinformation. When you kill all the Jews, then God's word cannot be true, or when you kill all of the Christians...which is really what you are trying to do, you are trying to get rid of Christians, destroy all faith in God's word.......because you don't like being told that you are guilty of sin and owe God for it. You want to go your own way, and God gives you the freedom to do so even if you disdain His love and chose eternal death in Hell over knowing Him in eternal life. Your an LOL fool, and to me you are quite boring. And your boasting of being a pervert did nothing to gain any respect from me.
All you are doing is trying to justify your own life. If people want to make excuses for their sin like you do, they will be happy to believe junk the same way you do.
I don't know what your stupid LOL's are for. Do you think they make you powerful so you have the right to exist outside of Hell? LOL as long as you can, enjoy it while you can....and keep on trying to prove God is not there and Hell is not a real place where sinners are imprisoned in fire forever.
The Word of God says your sins have separated you from Him, and you will get what you deserve if you disdain His mercy in preference for the pleasures of sin. Enjoy while you can if that's the way you want to prove to yourself the reality of Hell.
The two great evils in this world are religion and communism. As the need for a ''higher intelligence'' seems to be a congenital feature of the human psyche' it will be religion which will continue to polarize the peoples of the world. The lower orders of our species will become obsessed with their faith, as we see with the Islamic extremist filth, and interpret their scriptures as a call to war on the unbelievers, infidels, that's most western countries. The so called Islamic State, better known as the Islamic Filth, see their barbaric campaign of atrocities against Christendom as a crusade in the name of Allah.
Kill Jesus Christ and all the Jews and Christians. That will make you feel better. Just don't tell the Muslims that you are an atheist because they won't waste time telling you that you are a fool, they will just cut your head off.
They murdered Jesus Christ because he told them the truth about their sins, thefts, lies, extortions, adulteries.......and you fools who hate God would cheer me being crucified the same as those fools cheered Jesus Christ being crucified. He conquered death, and you fools are fighting for death and it won't keep you out of Hell. You are only heaping up more and more of God's wrath in condemning you as sinners to be separated from Him forever in Hell when He gets fed up with you trampling the blood of His Son under your feet after He gave His Son to suffer for your sins so that in His resurrection you can be forgiven through faith in His sinless blood.
This kind of hatred against God is idiocy, for fools, and it's taking you to Hell faster than you want to go. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. He that believeth not shall be damned...and that's not a cuss word, it means condemned by God. Get saved or be lost, you are making your choice...believe it or not.
As a christian you should be better educated on the history of your boy, Yeshua of Nazareth. (You know: Pantera's bastard son!)
LOL
Jesus was executed by Roman authorities for political insurrection and rabble.rousing. All that stuff in the gospels about the Jewish Sanhedrin forcing Pilate to prosecute is pure BS. Sop is the stuff about Pilate offering a Passover favor to the Jews by allowing one of his prisoners to be freed. (when the crowd chose Barabbas over JC).
Roman records and letters from the time show that Pilate never granted this sort of dispensation, now is their any record of it EVER being instituted. In fact, Pilate was known for his ruthlessness toward the Jews. He was even censored for it by his supervisors in Rome on a few occasions.
So yeah, all that stuff you read was written by anti-Sanhedrin, anti-Pharisee early gospel writers, who slanted the story so as to make JC look like a martyr and a sacrificial lamb.
When in truth he was merely one of many of his type in first century Roman-controlled Palestine. (Look up "Simon the Zealot.")
A good book that would educate you on the REAL Jesus of history and also on the times he lived is entitled "Zealot" and it is written by religious scholar Reza Aslan. But I know you won't ever check it out, as you appear to be pretty far gone already.
The records and letters you are referencing were written by people who were afraid of the truth, afraid of losing control. They did all they could to discredit Jesus before they killed Him, saying the same things about Him then as you are saying now. You are saying nothing new, it was all said before they crucified Jesus and after He rose from the dead they embellished their accusations with fraudulent disinformation. They had a problem....Jesus was seen alive of over 500 people at one time during the forty days before He ascended to heaven as His disciples watched. He ate with them, He walked and talked with them, He invited Thomas to put his finger in the nail print in His hand and thrust his hand into His side and see that it was flesh and bones. They could not keep Jesus' body in the tomb because God raised Him from the dead and broke the seal when He rolled the great stone away from the door....a stone set in a groove, a stone far too heavy and far too deeply set in it's groove to seal the tomb...and the Roman soldiers who were supposed to be executed if they failed to keep the tomb sealed were paid large sums of money to say his disciples stole the body while they slept. The apostles and saints of the first century feared no torture and could not be stopped from telling the story of Jesus and His victory over death, and they shaped the world we live in today. They recorded the story in the Gospels, and protected and passed those writings along often at the cost of their life's blood. A pure record has been kept, entrusted only to those who believed on Jesus and proved their faith in spite of brutal persecutions, and passed along through the generations today. The Gospel cannot be stopped, the gates of Hell cannot prevail against the Church of Jesus Christ which He bought and paid for with His blood, and empowers by His resurrection from the dead.
As they hated Jesus, they hate me because like Jesus I tell them the truth about their sin. If they are whoremonger perverts who milk cheap cows like thieves, I tell them they are in sin and in danger of God's judgement for it and they need to repent and seek His mercy before His mercy cannot be found. Haters like slapstick would cheer to see me beheaded like John the Baptist was beheaded, and they would cheer to see me thrown to the lions or burned alive like so many who took up their crosses to follow Jesus through death into eternal life while Rome made them scapegoats for the sins which eventually caused the Roman empire to fall...and the Jews did all they could to deny their Savior as He exposed their evils and they murdered Him the same as they treated all of the prophets God sent to them as they fell more and more into the same evils practiced by the nations around them....like killing their children and allowing and promoting sodomy.
History backs the gospel, and anybody who honestly studies it will see that the evidence supporting the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it would be accepted as proof in any honest court of law.
I do not respond to Slapsticks twists of history or his twists of Bible passages because it's not worth responding to. People who want to know what is right or wrong will not settle for answers which contain self-contradicting or unclear meanings, and like me, they will be dedicated in life to know the truth, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, and those who do so will be filled. Slapstick is an empty windbag, a wet pile of dust full of hot air and needs Jesus to be His life or He's going to be lost forever in Hell.
THIS KIND OF STUFF IS SO STUPID. RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE ATHEISTIC COMMUNISTS WHO KILL MILLIONS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE, BENT ON WORLD DOMINATION TAKING SIDES WITH MUSLIMS WHO KILL EACH OTHER AND WHO WILL HAPPILY BRING WORLD WAR THREE....AND THE USA IS BEING SOLD OUT TO FALL FROM POWER WHILE COMMUNISTS GET IN BED WITH PSYCHOPATHIC MUSLIMS AND THE ELITE THINK THEY WILL OWN THE WORLD AFTER THE SMOKE SETTLES AND MOST OF THE POPULATION IS WIPED OUT.
YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF MORONS FOR NOT USING YOUR NOGGINS REALISTICALLY. THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BURST INTO FLAMES AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE LIKELY TO BE ATE UP OR BURNED UP IN IT AND YOU ONLY WANT TO BLAME GOD INSTEAD OF SEEK HIS MERCY TO BE SAVED FROM HELL.
I always knew he was young; at first I was thinking around 17-18 but now I am thinking around 14. Not done with high school yet. I wonder where he lives? Maybe in the Bible belt of the American South?
One of the few things I disclosed about myself personally, if you were paying attention, was that I am old enough to be your father and young enough to whoop your behind. You are not listening well, son. You need an education and a good place to start would be on the seat of your pants. God is going to give it to you if you won't take it from anybody else. If you take it from God before it's too late, you will know His correction is kindness for your good.
You are just a spoiled little brat who thinks he is being a man. If you won't take it before your dying is finalized, you will have it in eternal dying in the fire of Hell which cries out against God's goodness louder than your own temper tantrums against God so your words will be heard by the living no more and only the smoke of your torments in the fire will rise to speak on your behalf, testifying to God's justice against evil when the living will honor their Creator and the dying will never get out of the fire they caused for themselves.
And you would know about war, since religion has killed millions.
Here are just a few examples..............
The Crusades (Christianity)
The Crusades were a series of conquests undertaken by various Christian groups ranging from 1095 AD to 1453 AD. Though the numbers aren't conclusive there were an estimated 1 to 3 million deaths from these campaigns. While some historians see the Crusades as a defensive action against Islamic conquest, most see them as a papal-led expansion attempt by Western Christendom.M+6
How did atheists kill 300 million? Hitler was a Christian. The Nazi party was conservative Christian. Communism comes right out of the bible. In reality, I guess that's another 300 million that Christians have killed for their ideals...M
Nothing more barbaric than Christians crusaderM+2
Biggest murdering religion of all time!Mnew
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Jihads (Islam)
While Jihad is not the traditional "terrorist" vision commonly propogated in the United States post 9/11, there is a violent past associated with it within the Muslim community. The term "Jihad" translated as "struggle" or "resisting" and is meant to refer to the defense of the religion against oppressors. Much like the common "defending the American way of life" adage however, Jihadists have been active in armed military actions for 12 centuries and have claimed millions of lives in the name of Islam.M+7
Christians have undoubtedly killed millions in the name of God, but the sadistic and barbaristic methods with which these acts were undertaken has long since given way to an array of pacifistic and peaceful methods. It is simply fact that the Muslim faith has changed very little over the last 700+ years and the sadistic and barbaristic methods employed then are still widely used today. Not to mention the unabashed chauvinism and racism. Yes Christianity is rife with that as well, but no one can say that these are not some of the most steadfast and widely held beliefs of all Muslims.
What Christians practiced centuries ago Muslims practice now. - BraveNewWorldM+6
With a quarter Billion dead in India alone, this should be #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5. Then the crusades.
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The Inquisition (Christianity)
Everyone has heard of the "Spanish Inquisition" but the Inquisition is actually a group of institutions within the Roman Catholic Church. Tracing back to the 12th-century, the goal of the institutions is to combat secular sectarianism. Aimed at keeping it's own members "faithful" the Catholic Church began holding trials for those with non-mainstream beliefs within the church and, for along period of time, engaging in torture to coerce the individual to conform. In the cases where no repentance was received, the death penalty was used as punishment. All in all there were an estimated 300,000 people put on trial with about 6,000 being executed.M+2
To sum it up, those who didn't follow what the church said, including Muslims, Jews, and Protestants, were found, questioned, and killed. This shows the corruption of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages and Renaissance. - ethanmeinsterM+1
The Ku Klux Klan Murders (Christianity)
If they are Christians, then they are Christians. Unlike atheists, Christians are a cohesive group. If we don't count Christians because YOU DON'T AGREE then atheists have never killed anyone, seeing as atheists have nothing in common, never joined any atheist groups, and don't all agree to the same beliefs. YOU put us in a group together, not us. So if the the group you choose to belong to does not pertain to you, then how can a group we never choose to belong to, pertain to us?M
You're confusing proto- and neo-Nazi psychopaths with Christians.
Offensively sloppy.M-2
Armenian Genocide (Islam)
This genocide inspired Hitler holocaust so much, he believed he could get away with the holocaust just like the turks did with this genocide.M+4
I'm half Armenian so I'm voting for this.M+1
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30 Years' War (Christianity)
Initially, religion was a motivation for the war as Protestant and Catholic states fought over what is now modern-day Germany and Italy. Involving most of the European countries, it was one of the most destructive conflicts in European history with an estimated 3 to 11.5 million casualties.M+2
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French Wars of Religion (Christianity)
The French Wars of Religion is the name of a period of civil infighting and military operations, primarily fought between French Catholics and Protestants. Between 2 and 4 million people were killed.M+2
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Thuggee Murders (Muslim)
Members of lndia's Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2 million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s. At a trial in 1840, one "Thug" was accused of killing 931 people.M+1
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Mayan Sacrifice (Mayan)
Human sacrifice blossomed in the Mayan theocracy of Central America between the 11th and 16th centuries. To appease a feathered-serpent god, maidens were drowned in sacred wells and other victims either had their hearts cut out, were shot with arrows, or were beheaded.M
Not as bad as the Aztec sacrifices. As my history teacher says, Mayans were tiny compared to the Aztecs in sacrifice. However, a heart being ripped out is just mortifying. It sure is a good thing that these sacrifices don't happen anymore... right? - ethanmeinsterM
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Incan Sacrifice (Incan)
N the 1200s the Incas built their empire in Peru, a society dominated by priests reading daily magical signs and offering sacrifices to appease many gods. At major ceremonies up to 200 children were burned as offerings. Special "chosen women" were strangled.M-1
I just want to know, just make this shorter. You can just say that religion could kill millions in the Old and New Testament and people who believe in different religion.
I'm really not much interested in politics. Things in the world are lining up exactly as foretold in the Word of God thousands of years ago. All nations will rise against Israel, just like God said they would. It's obvious to see things falling in place exactly as foretold.
Fools think God has not given His Word, and will not keep it. God always keeps His word, never lies, and never wastes His words. All will be judged by His Word. People in the world hate God's Word, they hate Christians the same as they hated Jesus, and they hate the Jews....all because they hate God and do not want Him to rule over them, and like fools they think they can fight against Him and prove Him wrong.
Show me ONE prophecy you think god made thousands of years ago, and I will show you a statement so vague and nebulous that it could have a hundred meanings. Just like all those so-called prophecies of Nostradamus. And most alleged psychics. They never get the details.
Then something happens, like 9/11 or ISIS or the Middle East and the religious zealots say "God said this would happen!"
When of course what you're doing is engaging in what we call "confirmation bias." This is fitting the current matter at hand to fit with your alleged biblical prophecy. And also you guys "cherry pick"--forgetting about all the myriad prophecies that turned empty and choosing a couple that have fuzzy meanings in the first place, but can be pounded like a square peg into a round hole to fit just a little to the truth.
I can say I am a prophet and say something vague and blurry like, "Murder is in the air in the East."
And then tomorrow when ISIL kills somebody, I can say, "See! I told you!"
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This is about as accurate as your biblical prophecies. Or for that matter, most things in the bible.
Revelation was written in coded allegory and metaphor. Like the 7-headed beast. What was that?
LOL.......it was the city of Rome. That has 7 hills.
You're messing with the wrong guy in trying to claim biblical prophecy. I have heard it all before and know all your tricks and can and have refuted them all many times. With links and proofs as well.
In the Revelation of Jesus Christ given to the apostle John, it says the kings of the East will send an army. It gives an exact number of men for that army, a number far larger than anything imaginable 2000 years ago when God revealed it to John. The number is 200 million, and China only in recent history boasts of being able to put that number of men on the battlefield. For your superbly educated arrogance, I'm sure you don't need to be told that China is the East, the rulers of China are the Kings of the East. Maybe you can find three hundred thousand different ways to interpret it, and three million different books with slightly different wording, and you can compare them all to Nostrildumbus who if anything had demons but certainly was not a prophet of God.......but the number is plain to see, 200 million men and only China can put such an army on the battlefield.
All of the armies of the world are going to fight over Jerusalem exactly like the Bible said. I could list the scores of prophecies about the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the astronomical unlikeliness of all of these things coming true as they did, and you will say it was all lies and myths or some stupid comparisons to Nostrildamnedpuss.
Jesus said He was going to rise from the dead and He did.
You know what? You are just a coward... a big mouth coward who hides behind your arrogance. You think that by being loud and acting tough you can resist God and prevent Him from casting you down to Hell. You know that if you forsook your sinning and turned against your perversions that you would have to live a holy life and stop being a pervert. Knowing Jesus Christ is risen from the dead would change your life too much and you are just plain chicken to be a real man and take a stand against the evil tendencies of your own heart and the evils in the hearts and lives of others. You are just a coward, and the only thing you can do is try to shut up people like me who tell you the truth which you hate to hear. You are no better than a jihadist, just a little more subdued in your tactics. They are nothing but cowards with guns, afraid to face the truth and taking the easy way out in their hatred of God.
Last I checked, I am the one who revealed all details about my personal life, and also backed up all my claims with links and sources. While you on the other hand have done neither, instead choosing to continually respond with attacks and groundless parrots of antiquated religious zealotry and purely fictional claims.
There is no god. He is a silly superstition for the weak and the deluded, who are too insecure to face and live life on life's terms.
Your religion is a sham. Out of date. Not even ever meant for you. But instead for a tribal, nomadic, and largely illiterate 1st Century Bronze Age, oppressed, beaten, Hebrew people.
Did you give any thought to what I said about JC preferring to hang with the likes of me over somebody like you?
I have decided to cease in debating you. As I said in another post, it is a fruitless endeavor. I have tried to help you and free you from your fantasy world, but I fear you are simply too far gone.
And you would do well to quit sending me absurd religious propaganda. None of it means anything to me; it's all fairy tale. As far as its credence, it may as well be fables from Greek Mythology. Which, BTW, I find far more interesting and educational, as their mythos usually conveys larger universal truths. Biblical tales, on the other hand, I find obtuse and hopelessly out of date.
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PS..and you don't even know as much about the bible as I do. Revelation was NOT written by the apostle John. He was long dead by then, since it was written a good 75 years after JC, the bastard son of Pantera, died on the cross and was thus lifeless forever.
Yep. Coward. You are taking the easy way out. Muslims are cowards the same as you, and they will cut your head off if they get a hold on you. Does it make them brave or strong that they are so stupid to put on a suicide vest and blow idiots like you to smitherines?
Coward fits you. Your big mouth and fat attitude is nothing but smokescreens trying to hide the truth about the wickedness of your ways and the evil deeds you have done. You are afraid to face the truth because you know you deserve to burn in Hell for it, and you are trying to deny it and tell yourself it's not real. You are a coward, and if you want to be a proud brave fool loving your sin for it's CHEAP pleasures all the way to Hell, go ahead. That's not bravery, it's stupidity...and it probably has already cost you a few teeth along the way.
You asked me to show you one prophecy of the Bible, and you ignored the example I gave. Why did you ignore it? Is it because you cannot deny it?
I call you a coward because you are avoiding the truth, the truth that you deserve to die and burn in Hell the same as me and everybody else born of woman.
Tell me the prophecy again, I missed it. And then I will show you how it is NOT a prophecy, and provide links from biblical scholars.
Wow--must suck being like you: convinced that just cuz you're born of a woman you are a sinner--due to the absurd and childish idea of Original Sin--you deserve Hell. Unless of course you squander vast periods of your already-too-short life here on Earth by praying to a non-existent imaginary sky god. Or his equally imaginary living son.
Did it ever occur to you that the whole idea of Original Sin--which condemns man to hell unless she takes JC as a Savior--was never EVEN MENTIONED in the bible, but was just a tool invented by the early Catholic church as a method of obtaining power an control?
I mean sure, in Genesis is it written that because Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of Knowledge that they would be penalized. Pain for childbirth, knowing sin, guilt, all of life's vicissitudes. BUT it NEVER says we are condemned to Hell, the future generations. And JC also never said this. You should know this. Paul may have spoke of salvation through Christ, but since he was not divine in any way, he was just another in a long line of Theologians. Besides, Paul had other flawed teachings as well. Most likely he was a guilt-ridden homosexual. Let me know if you want links or sources for that.
So yeah, back to how it must suck for those like you.To look at a newborn innocent baby and truly believe she is destined for a afterlife of torment, just because of a Bronze Age Hebrew fairy tale. Wow. Just wow.
Do you people ever just stop and listen to yourselves for a minute?
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After you stop and listen to yourself and your evil dogma....please please please read this...I am trying to help you!! To free you from your psychological Bondage.
Yep. Putin is jobbing Obama on this whole thing. He's gonna come out smelling like a rose. (Did you see that video where Putin grabbed Obama's tie? WTF?) LOL
Since it looks like iSIL was responsible for shooting down the Russian airliner, Putin has carte blanche now.
We should be on the same said as Russia with the whole ISIL deal, and in a way we are.Except that they have Iran in their corner (Russia does) and they also want to keep Bashar in power, while we want Bashar out, and the Saudis are with us instead of Iran.
Either way, I think the gloves are off now after Paris, and we're gonna pretty much destroy ISIL. Their days are numbered. Hopefully.
Ah interesting. Well lets take the three biggest wars of the last century.. World war 1 world war 2 and the cold war. Can you tell me the part religion player in these?
The Muslims are really attacking for two reasons, 1. They are jealous of our wealth and prosperity 2. They are angry we protected Israel (the head of Judaism which Islam says to kill all Christians and Jews...)
Actually you need a lesson in Political Science 101.
The right wing is almost always PRO Christianity in this country.
It is usually the left that perpetuates propaganda, as you call it, against Religion. They are often called secular humanists. Right wingers are almost NEVER called that.
So I reckon that makes me sort of special. LOL. I AM a conservative Independent, but yes, am decidedly against most organized religion. I am a scientist, you see. And I am just sick and tired of how it continually impedes our work. Spouting woo like the Creation account in Genesis is real science does nobody any good. Except for the church. Who then use their power to manipulate and confuse and oppress.
Sure, there ARE good Muslims and Christians out there. But overall the respective institutions they have chosen to belong to and abide by are corrupt and viral, and simply more trouble than they are worth.
They have fallen victims to that old tried and true law: Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
You have the right to your opinion. The reich wing conservatives can be very unchristian. Reigh wingers have all of these wars,torture, when liberals want to help the poor and disabled, reich wingers screal "NOT MY WALLET" ad nauseum. They fight access to healthcare and contraception, and instead of helping the poor, they favor the rich.
I have never been guilty of foisting Godwin's Law on somebody. Although, because of my right-wing views, I have been accused of holding quasi-Nazi views. When somebody does this, I always paste them a wiki link to Godwin's Law. And congratulate them on proving it correct.
You just proved it, BTW, by using "reich" instead of right. Hmm..I had heard you were a decent debater. I am sort of disappointed.
You should re-read the conversation, because my use of "reich" was in quotes, as I was quoting LibProlifer's usage of it and explaining to her how she was proving Godwin's Law.
I asked you to define it (as opposed to providing a link) because I wanted you to demonstrate you actually knew what it was. Regardless, from your link: "Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy"
Again, you claimed it was a fallacy, yet when asking you to define Godwin's Law, you provide a source that specifically says it is not a fallacy.
You have the right to your opinion. I have answered your question providing a link, but you have refused to back up your claim with evidence. I should have known that looking up proof was a waste of time.
"Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons."
"Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons."
This is the comment I was looking for a response to from you.
It doesn't really have to do with handling the truth. It's more of a criticism of how people try to convey their message. More often than not, associating people you disagree with to Nazi's is not going to get people to take what you say seriously. So when you call them the "reich" wing, people will just look at how absurd it is to compare the Right Wing in America to a German political party that committed genocide. There are plenty of legitimate ways to criticize the right without doing that.
Whenever people look back at Hitler to prevent tyranny in the future, Someone screams Godwin's Law ad nauseium. It is meant to silence the free exchange of ideas.
It's a matter of whether or not there is a legitimate comparison. If you are comparing Hitler and the Nazi's to current genocidal groups, then that would be legitimate.
But if you are comparing them to someone who you simply agree with and isn't going around killing people, then people will not take you seriously. Bringing up Godwin's Law doesn't try to silence the free exchange of ideas, it just mocks the idea that is brought up. In that sense, it contributes to the free exchange of ideas.
It's pretty accepted that a comparison to Nazi's and Hitler is only valid if the group in question is committing genocide. Otherwise it is simply hyperbolic.
So since it's been a couple hours and I gotta go pick up my gf from work in a few, and won't be online again till tomorrow night, and nobody seems to know, I'll tell ya. No charge. Some might say, it's how I roll.
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"Fuck" was originally an acronym from F.U.C.K. And it stood for "fornication under Command of King." It was used back in the Middle Ages, probably mostly by the English, like against some of the people of the lands they colonized and oppressed. Like Ireland.
What it meant was, that if a peasant guy was gonna get married, the Brit soldiers could kidnap his bride to be and take her back to the King and then he had the dibs to spend a night fucking her, before her hubbie even got to.
How bad does THAT suck?
So when you said "fuck you" you were sort of saying that you hope that happened to the wife of the guy you're saying it to. Doesn't this make more sense now?
Prove you wrong? Ok, wars about religion happens rarely, so you won't see 100 people going against 100 people believing one ate an apple or orange. You never see that happen, they just believe and if one disagrees, they disagree! They would not kill people who would believe that!
If I ever called you out for real, you would probably be so stupid to show up and you would probably turn tail and run before you got pounded into the ground....
A fool tells his whole heart. You have no idea who you are talking to, son.
I doubt that you would be man enough to sit still while I told you the truth about your crimes against God, His mercy in giving you time outside of Hell, and His desire for you to know Him and have eternal life through His Son. You are too stinking proud, and that's why I call you COWARD. You are afraid to face the truth of God's wrath against the evils of your ways, and you flatter yourself into believing you are proud, brave, and strong when you are only a fool, a stinking pile of dirty wet dust in imminent danger of being dried out in the fire of Hell. Your just a big mouth cowardly fool. To concede to the truth of God, you would have to admit you need His mercy....but you think, like a Muslim, that preferring death over life makes you powerful when it only makes you stupid.
LOL...here is another amusing list showing gods invented for war!! that is, to help the people who invented them kill their enemies more effectively!!
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This is what Yahweh originally was, BTW. An invention by the oppressed Hebrews to help them fight their many enemies like the Romans, the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Hittites.
See? When you're getting your butt kicked on a daily basis the easiest ting in the world is to retreat into a fantasy land and magical thinking and invent some sky god who will help you vanquish your enemies.
Most violence, and especially war, is altogether too complex to be explained by any single variable. I think that religion has historically been on of the great instruments of manipulation of motivation in conflict, and that it is uniquely disposed to being used in such a manner. However, I am skeptical that there is any war which has ever been fought solely over religion. I might go so far as to say no war ever has been. Religion is the justification, but economics and politics can hardly be dismissed offhand as seems to be the tendency among anti-theists. (For the record, I am a conceptual anti-theist myself.)
