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 Murder and War in the name of religion!! (104)

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Murder and War in the name of religion!!

 Famous and renowned Atheists like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris have all cited the dangers of organized religion. And in fact have compared it to a deadly virus.
  In that vein, I here offer for your perusal a partial list of some of the killing and mayhem and violence that have been waged in the name of god. Or of a particular superstition...oops I meant religion. (LOL--same thing, anyway!)
 Thank you. I also will happily accept any contributions to the list. And instances you woiuld like to cite where religion caused suffering and killing, thus proving it does FAR more harm than good.


http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Murder and War in the name of religion!!

That is Radical Islamist and the link is there for the reading.

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Awesome. I am glad you agree that we need to end all religion. Welcome aboard buddy.

outlaw60(11106) Disputed
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I don't agree with you nor will i ever ! But you are really lost to believe all religion should be ended ! Do tell how that might happen i await your intelligent response !

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Sweet!!

We shall overcome!

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Cartman(18207) Disputed
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Evil Acts will end when there is no religion ? So how does this happen ?

http://spotcrime.com/mi/detroit

outlaw60(11106) Disputed
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How does it happen ? Make the tie in with your intelligence !

http://www.nj.com/shootings/

Cartman(18207) Disputed
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http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/ shootings

This must be due to religion right ?

Cartman(18207) Disputed
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Does religion have any evil connections here ?

http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimnet/ojsa/greenbook.pdf

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Religion will always affect history. Its the truth, the Crusades, Holocaust, America! pilgrams go to America for religous freedom. So its no shocker (to me) that relgion plays a part of murder and war.Ares, and spartan; sacerfices and more. Must l continue?

Jace(4643) Disputed
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Just because religion always has had a significant influence on history does not mean it will always do so.

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Oh, I agree totally.

Religion and belief in god has been waning for decades. People are leaving the churches in droves every year in America.

One good thing about all those Islamic extremists is that they are showing the world how dangerous and murderous and corrupt and antiquated religion is.

Soon, ALL religions will be relegated to the dark corner of fantasy and mytholgy and fairy tales.

Where they belong.

Science and technology and logic are our new gods!

Praise Them!!

LOL

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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HOW COME YOU LEFT OUT ATHEIST COMMUNISM AND ISLAM WHICH WOULD HAVE CONQUERED EUROPE IF NOT STOPPED BY THE CRUSADERS? YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED PUPPET WILLINGLY PROMOTING AN AGENDA IN YOUR IGNORANCE. THAT AGENDA IS FOR THE ANTI-CHRIST, AND YOU ARE SERVING HIM AND HELL FIRE WILL BE THE PAY YOU GET...DESERVED PAY. DON'T BE A FOOL, REPENT AND BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

GenericName(3428) Clarified
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Actually, the Tengri Mongols stopped it. Your post is based on ignorance, which means you are performing the agenda of the anti-christ.

How fun!

dcb9242000(167) Disputed
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The Crusades were a fight by the Eastern Orthodox and Western Catholic Churches in Europe to reconquer the so-called "holy lands" - at least for the first 3. The 4th was the Catholics invading Constantinople (present-day Istanbul) to make their own Venice, Italy the trading capital of Europe. So, the Crusaders were actually trying to conquer other lands instead of protecting their own.

Athiest communism and Islam? Would you look at that, more religion! This seems to be a recurring theme!

GenericName is right. The Gengri Mongols were the ones who stopped communists and Islams.

DON'T BE A FOOL, REPENT AND BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

You actually are going to end up holding a cardboard sign in the city yelling, "THE END IS NEAR!"

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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You need a history lesson.

Here is one. No charge!

LOL

Hitler was a Christian!!!!!!!!

http://www.evilbible.com/hitlerwaschristian.htm

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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Here is a nice little breakdown of the millions killed for religion.

I have already told you Hitler was a Christian, and provided a link for it. SO we will include the Holocaust.

Way to Go Religious Zealots!! You have made killing a fine art!!

LOL.

Comes from plenty of practice I reckon.

The total is between 16 million and 31 million deaths due to religion in recorded history. By comparison, 60 million people died in World War II.

Here's the breakdown, rounding to the nearest million (so the witch hunts don't make the cut):

The Holocaust: 6 million

The Crusades: 1-3 million

Partition of India: 1 million

The Inquisition: 1 million

30 Years War: 3 - 11 million

French Wars of Religion: 2-4 million

Nigerian Civil War: 1-3 million

Second Sudanese Civil War: 1-2 million

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The two great evils in this world are religion and communism. As the need for a ''higher intelligence'' seems to be a congenital feature of the human psyche' it will be religion which will continue to polarize the peoples of the world. The lower orders of our species will become obsessed with their faith, as we see with the Islamic extremist filth, and interpret their scriptures as a call to war on the unbelievers, infidels, that's most western countries. The so called Islamic State, better known as the Islamic Filth, see their barbaric campaign of atrocities against Christendom as a crusade in the name of Allah.

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Kill Jesus Christ and all the Jews and Christians. That will make you feel better. Just don't tell the Muslims that you are an atheist because they won't waste time telling you that you are a fool, they will just cut your head off.

They murdered Jesus Christ because he told them the truth about their sins, thefts, lies, extortions, adulteries.......and you fools who hate God would cheer me being crucified the same as those fools cheered Jesus Christ being crucified. He conquered death, and you fools are fighting for death and it won't keep you out of Hell. You are only heaping up more and more of God's wrath in condemning you as sinners to be separated from Him forever in Hell when He gets fed up with you trampling the blood of His Son under your feet after He gave His Son to suffer for your sins so that in His resurrection you can be forgiven through faith in His sinless blood.

This kind of hatred against God is idiocy, for fools, and it's taking you to Hell faster than you want to go. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. He that believeth not shall be damned...and that's not a cuss word, it means condemned by God. Get saved or be lost, you are making your choice...believe it or not.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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As a christian you should be better educated on the history of your boy, Yeshua of Nazareth. (You know: Pantera's bastard son!)

LOL

Jesus was executed by Roman authorities for political insurrection and rabble.rousing. All that stuff in the gospels about the Jewish Sanhedrin forcing Pilate to prosecute is pure BS. Sop is the stuff about Pilate offering a Passover favor to the Jews by allowing one of his prisoners to be freed. (when the crowd chose Barabbas over JC).

Roman records and letters from the time show that Pilate never granted this sort of dispensation, now is their any record of it EVER being instituted. In fact, Pilate was known for his ruthlessness toward the Jews. He was even censored for it by his supervisors in Rome on a few occasions.

So yeah, all that stuff you read was written by anti-Sanhedrin, anti-Pharisee early gospel writers, who slanted the story so as to make JC look like a martyr and a sacrificial lamb.

When in truth he was merely one of many of his type in first century Roman-controlled Palestine. (Look up "Simon the Zealot.")

A good book that would educate you on the REAL Jesus of history and also on the times he lived is entitled "Zealot" and it is written by religious scholar Reza Aslan. But I know you won't ever check it out, as you appear to be pretty far gone already.

And for that I am sorry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZealotryinJewish_history

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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To this I will reply:

Where is the body?

The records and letters you are referencing were written by people who were afraid of the truth, afraid of losing control. They did all they could to discredit Jesus before they killed Him, saying the same things about Him then as you are saying now. You are saying nothing new, it was all said before they crucified Jesus and after He rose from the dead they embellished their accusations with fraudulent disinformation. They had a problem....Jesus was seen alive of over 500 people at one time during the forty days before He ascended to heaven as His disciples watched. He ate with them, He walked and talked with them, He invited Thomas to put his finger in the nail print in His hand and thrust his hand into His side and see that it was flesh and bones. They could not keep Jesus' body in the tomb because God raised Him from the dead and broke the seal when He rolled the great stone away from the door....a stone set in a groove, a stone far too heavy and far too deeply set in it's groove to seal the tomb...and the Roman soldiers who were supposed to be executed if they failed to keep the tomb sealed were paid large sums of money to say his disciples stole the body while they slept. The apostles and saints of the first century feared no torture and could not be stopped from telling the story of Jesus and His victory over death, and they shaped the world we live in today. They recorded the story in the Gospels, and protected and passed those writings along often at the cost of their life's blood. A pure record has been kept, entrusted only to those who believed on Jesus and proved their faith in spite of brutal persecutions, and passed along through the generations today. The Gospel cannot be stopped, the gates of Hell cannot prevail against the Church of Jesus Christ which He bought and paid for with His blood, and empowers by His resurrection from the dead.

As they hated Jesus, they hate me because like Jesus I tell them the truth about their sin. If they are whoremonger perverts who milk cheap cows like thieves, I tell them they are in sin and in danger of God's judgement for it and they need to repent and seek His mercy before His mercy cannot be found. Haters like slapstick would cheer to see me beheaded like John the Baptist was beheaded, and they would cheer to see me thrown to the lions or burned alive like so many who took up their crosses to follow Jesus through death into eternal life while Rome made them scapegoats for the sins which eventually caused the Roman empire to fall...and the Jews did all they could to deny their Savior as He exposed their evils and they murdered Him the same as they treated all of the prophets God sent to them as they fell more and more into the same evils practiced by the nations around them....like killing their children and allowing and promoting sodomy.

History backs the gospel, and anybody who honestly studies it will see that the evidence supporting the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it would be accepted as proof in any honest court of law.

I do not respond to Slapsticks twists of history or his twists of Bible passages because it's not worth responding to. People who want to know what is right or wrong will not settle for answers which contain self-contradicting or unclear meanings, and like me, they will be dedicated in life to know the truth, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, and those who do so will be filled. Slapstick is an empty windbag, a wet pile of dust full of hot air and needs Jesus to be His life or He's going to be lost forever in Hell.

Cartman(18207) Disputed
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Why did you ban me from your debate? Too afraid to discuss the topic with someone who will answer you?

Cartman(18207) Disputed
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Islam is a religion you dumb fuck.

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THIS KIND OF STUFF IS SO STUPID. RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE ATHEISTIC COMMUNISTS WHO KILL MILLIONS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE, BENT ON WORLD DOMINATION TAKING SIDES WITH MUSLIMS WHO KILL EACH OTHER AND WHO WILL HAPPILY BRING WORLD WAR THREE....AND THE USA IS BEING SOLD OUT TO FALL FROM POWER WHILE COMMUNISTS GET IN BED WITH PSYCHOPATHIC MUSLIMS AND THE ELITE THINK THEY WILL OWN THE WORLD AFTER THE SMOKE SETTLES AND MOST OF THE POPULATION IS WIPED OUT.

YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF MORONS FOR NOT USING YOUR NOGGINS REALISTICALLY. THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BURST INTO FLAMES AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE LIKELY TO BE ATE UP OR BURNED UP IN IT AND YOU ONLY WANT TO BLAME GOD INSTEAD OF SEEK HIS MERCY TO BE SAVED FROM HELL.

GenericName(3428) Clarified
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Capslock is the best way to get people to listen to you.

Cartman(18207) Disputed
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You are the idiot on here claiming that Islam is not a religion.

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How old do you think Saint Nowhere is?

I always knew he was young; at first I was thinking around 17-18 but now I am thinking around 14. Not done with high school yet. I wonder where he lives? Maybe in the Bible belt of the American South?

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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And you would know about war, since religion has killed millions.

Here are just a few examples..............

The Crusades (Christianity)

The Crusades were a series of conquests undertaken by various Christian groups ranging from 1095 AD to 1453 AD. Though the numbers aren't conclusive there were an estimated 1 to 3 million deaths from these campaigns. While some historians see the Crusades as a defensive action against Islamic conquest, most see them as a papal-led expansion attempt by Western Christendom.M+6

How did atheists kill 300 million? Hitler was a Christian. The Nazi party was conservative Christian. Communism comes right out of the bible. In reality, I guess that's another 300 million that Christians have killed for their ideals...M

Nothing more barbaric than Christians crusaderM+2

Biggest murdering religion of all time!Mnew

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Jihads (Islam)

While Jihad is not the traditional "terrorist" vision commonly propogated in the United States post 9/11, there is a violent past associated with it within the Muslim community. The term "Jihad" translated as "struggle" or "resisting" and is meant to refer to the defense of the religion against oppressors. Much like the common "defending the American way of life" adage however, Jihadists have been active in armed military actions for 12 centuries and have claimed millions of lives in the name of Islam.M+7

Christians have undoubtedly killed millions in the name of God, but the sadistic and barbaristic methods with which these acts were undertaken has long since given way to an array of pacifistic and peaceful methods. It is simply fact that the Muslim faith has changed very little over the last 700+ years and the sadistic and barbaristic methods employed then are still widely used today. Not to mention the unabashed chauvinism and racism. Yes Christianity is rife with that as well, but no one can say that these are not some of the most steadfast and widely held beliefs of all Muslims.

What Christians practiced centuries ago Muslims practice now. - BraveNewWorldM+6

With a quarter Billion dead in India alone, this should be #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5. Then the crusades.

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The Inquisition (Christianity)

Everyone has heard of the "Spanish Inquisition" but the Inquisition is actually a group of institutions within the Roman Catholic Church. Tracing back to the 12th-century, the goal of the institutions is to combat secular sectarianism. Aimed at keeping it's own members "faithful" the Catholic Church began holding trials for those with non-mainstream beliefs within the church and, for along period of time, engaging in torture to coerce the individual to conform. In the cases where no repentance was received, the death penalty was used as punishment. All in all there were an estimated 300,000 people put on trial with about 6,000 being executed.M+2

To sum it up, those who didn't follow what the church said, including Muslims, Jews, and Protestants, were found, questioned, and killed. This shows the corruption of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages and Renaissance. - ethanmeinsterM+1

The Ku Klux Klan Murders (Christianity)

If they are Christians, then they are Christians. Unlike atheists, Christians are a cohesive group. If we don't count Christians because YOU DON'T AGREE then atheists have never killed anyone, seeing as atheists have nothing in common, never joined any atheist groups, and don't all agree to the same beliefs. YOU put us in a group together, not us. So if the the group you choose to belong to does not pertain to you, then how can a group we never choose to belong to, pertain to us?M

You're confusing proto- and neo-Nazi psychopaths with Christians.

Offensively sloppy.M-2

Armenian Genocide (Islam)

This genocide inspired Hitler holocaust so much, he believed he could get away with the holocaust just like the turks did with this genocide.M+4

I'm half Armenian so I'm voting for this.M+1

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30 Years' War (Christianity)

Initially, religion was a motivation for the war as Protestant and Catholic states fought over what is now modern-day Germany and Italy. Involving most of the European countries, it was one of the most destructive conflicts in European history with an estimated 3 to 11.5 million casualties.M+2

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French Wars of Religion (Christianity)

The French Wars of Religion is the name of a period of civil infighting and military operations, primarily fought between French Catholics and Protestants. Between 2 and 4 million people were killed.M+2

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Thuggee Murders (Muslim)

Members of lndia's Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2 million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s. At a trial in 1840, one "Thug" was accused of killing 931 people.M+1

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Mayan Sacrifice (Mayan)

Human sacrifice blossomed in the Mayan theocracy of Central America between the 11th and 16th centuries. To appease a feathered-serpent god, maidens were drowned in sacred wells and other victims either had their hearts cut out, were shot with arrows, or were beheaded.M

Not as bad as the Aztec sacrifices. As my history teacher says, Mayans were tiny compared to the Aztecs in sacrifice. However, a heart being ripped out is just mortifying. It sure is a good thing that these sacrifices don't happen anymore... right? - ethanmeinsterM

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Incan Sacrifice (Incan)

N the 1200s the Incas built their empire in Peru, a society dominated by priests reading daily magical signs and offering sacrifices to appease many gods. At major ceremonies up to 200 children were burned as offerings. Special "chosen women" were strangled.M-1

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WeeklyManner(125) Clarified
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I just want to know, just make this shorter. You can just say that religion could kill millions in the Old and New Testament and people who believe in different religion.

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Russia and China are sending drones in on ISIS (have you read the new lately?)

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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I'm really not much interested in politics. Things in the world are lining up exactly as foretold in the Word of God thousands of years ago. All nations will rise against Israel, just like God said they would. It's obvious to see things falling in place exactly as foretold.

Fools think God has not given His Word, and will not keep it. God always keeps His word, never lies, and never wastes His words. All will be judged by His Word. People in the world hate God's Word, they hate Christians the same as they hated Jesus, and they hate the Jews....all because they hate God and do not want Him to rule over them, and like fools they think they can fight against Him and prove Him wrong.

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Yep. Putin is jobbing Obama on this whole thing. He's gonna come out smelling like a rose. (Did you see that video where Putin grabbed Obama's tie? WTF?) LOL

Since it looks like iSIL was responsible for shooting down the Russian airliner, Putin has carte blanche now.

We should be on the same said as Russia with the whole ISIL deal, and in a way we are.Except that they have Iran in their corner (Russia does) and they also want to keep Bashar in power, while we want Bashar out, and the Saudis are with us instead of Iran.

Either way, I think the gloves are off now after Paris, and we're gonna pretty much destroy ISIL. Their days are numbered. Hopefully.

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Most wars are over religion. I am an agnostic Christian, and I know this.

instig8or(3311) Disputed
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Most religious wars are over economic wealth and territory.

Only a minority of wars are religious wars.

Checkmate.

Sitar(3683) Clarified
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I am not denying that economics are a factor, but religion seems to be the main factor.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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If I ever called you out for real, you would probably be so stupid to show up and you would probably turn tail and run before you got pounded into the ground....

A fool tells his whole heart. You have no idea who you are talking to, son.

I doubt that you would be man enough to sit still while I told you the truth about your crimes against God, His mercy in giving you time outside of Hell, and His desire for you to know Him and have eternal life through His Son. You are too stinking proud, and that's why I call you COWARD. You are afraid to face the truth of God's wrath against the evils of your ways, and you flatter yourself into believing you are proud, brave, and strong when you are only a fool, a stinking pile of dirty wet dust in imminent danger of being dried out in the fire of Hell. Your just a big mouth cowardly fool. To concede to the truth of God, you would have to admit you need His mercy....but you think, like a Muslim, that preferring death over life makes you powerful when it only makes you stupid.

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LOL...here is another amusing list showing gods invented for war!! that is, to help the people who invented them kill their enemies more effectively!!

LOL.

This is what Yahweh originally was, BTW. An invention by the oppressed Hebrews to help them fight their many enemies like the Romans, the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Hittites.

See? When you're getting your butt kicked on a daily basis the easiest ting in the world is to retreat into a fantasy land and magical thinking and invent some sky god who will help you vanquish your enemies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listofwar_deities

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Most violence, and especially war, is altogether too complex to be explained by any single variable. I think that religion has historically been on of the great instruments of manipulation of motivation in conflict, and that it is uniquely disposed to being used in such a manner. However, I am skeptical that there is any war which has ever been fought solely over religion. I might go so far as to say no war ever has been. Religion is the justification, but economics and politics can hardly be dismissed offhand as seems to be the tendency among anti-theists. (For the record, I am a conceptual anti-theist myself.)