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Muslim Logic Has Been Found

Why does the Progressive Left have such love for these people ?
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The left loves Muslims?

They want discrimination based on religion gone.

However, you seem to like mocking Muslims.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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The Left wants to censor and separte any mention of our Christian heritage in public. They are the bigoted censors of the 21st centruy.

DS0330(267) Disputed
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Your are mistaking liberal beliefs. The left doesn't want Christianity censored, they are against Christians legislating their view of morality into our lives. They want a secular state without religious values imposed on all of us.

I am sure there are some democrats that want the government to censor some things, same with some republicans. However, censoring everything is not a view of the left.

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None of those practices listed on the cartoon are legal in Western societies with civil rights.

The "Left" doesn't love those practices, nor love Muslims, it loves civil rights. One of those rights includes freedom of religion, so people who are not from the ultraconservative right speak out when you stomp on anyone's religion. But defending their right to be Muslim is not the same as embracing all that it means to be Muslim, nor is it a rejection of your Christian beliefs. It's a defense of civil rights. And the moment a Muslim in a Western society stomps on someone else's civil rights then yes they are to be prosecuted for it.

KayneOfNod(317) Disputed
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Comparing Apples to Oranges is fine, but in the end, you didn't refute a point the OP made. He said "HAHA LOOK AT ORANGES!" and you were like "BUh-Buh! APPLES AREN'T ANY BETTER!" We aren't talking about Christians you Fucknugget douche canoe! I know you have a B0ner for pointing out their flaws, so make your own damn topic related to it. and then I'll show you why Muslims are worse, because evidently that's how we argue now.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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What my post does do is show clearly that Christianity is so full of absurd ideas and myths, as well as hypocrisy, that it has no business casting allegations of same against any other religion.

Hope this helps.

SS

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Rape in the Bible

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don’t want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to “taking a wife”. Don’t be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to “take” these wives.

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we dest60royed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

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Murder in the Bible

The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God’s irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

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Exactly. That's why I say Christians are worshiping a false God. They fell for it. The smooth taste of Jesus. Killing Jesus was the right thing to do but it was too late. They should have killed his disciples too. The sickness is spreading.

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Muslims are treated like Christians. The problem Christians have is that they want to treat Muslims worse than Christians, so it appears like Muslims are getting special treatment. Can you name one thing that progressives allow Muslims to do that they don't allow Christians to do?

KayneOfNod(317) Disputed
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(Assuming that "progressives" is a more global left than a US left)

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Muslims have Sharia courts in the UK. they have the capability to peruse their own fractured law and order in a court of law unregulated by any higher court, which includes the capability to have (many wives, Polygynous?) marriges. they have the capability to murder in honor killings without repercussions from federal law. to some degree, they are also murdering by preforming capitol punishment without oversight from federal law.

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Like I said to slapshot. where are Christians even mentioned in this post?

Comparing Apples to Oranges is fine, but in the end, you didn't refute a point the OP made. He said "HAHA LOOK AT ORANGES!" and you were like "BUh-Buh! APPLES AREN'T ANY BETTER!" We aren't talking about Christians you (Explicit content you don't so much deserve)! I know you have a B0ner for pointing out their flaws, so make your own damn topic related to it. and then I'll show you why Muslims are worse, because evidently that's how we argue now. although he already made that post, so maybe you shouldn't/ don't have to.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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refute a point the OP made

There was no point made in the OP. The OP implies that progressives are treating Muslims different than other religions. In America we don't allow Muslims to have Sharia court, so we aren't giving them special treatment. The OP is asking for Muslims to be treated worse than Christians, not the same. When progressives treat Muslims like Christians it looks like Muslims are being favored since they condone all of those bad things.

We aren't talking about Christians you (Explicit content you don't so much deserve)! I know you have a B0ner for pointing out their flaws, so make your own damn topic related to it.

Which flaw of Christianity did I bring up?

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No they're not. Christians are trashed and bashed regularly by the left, just look at how the left treats those who don't conform to their beliefs: gay marriage, serving gay functions just to name a few.

You never hear the left criticize Islam, Mohammed the pedophile, enslavement of women, restriction on freedom of speech/expression, freedom of/from religion; the left always tries to condemn Christianity any time criticism of Islam is brought up.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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Actually I know a lot of people that you would say are on the left who criticize Islam. Many of us in academia criticize all religion and superstition. And also we bemoan the impediments they have caused to science and progress.

Again...by posting a cartoon showing the religion of Islam was filled with hypocrisy, the debate author alluded to the fact that Christianity is somehow superior and bereft of absurd beliefs or hypocrisy.

So I posted Bible excerpts that proved otherwise.

Proved Christianity and Judaism are just as bad, just as detrimental to logic and progress.

I got more crazy Bible excerpts if you need. I can also give you a list of holy wars. And show the millions that both religions have killed in the name of their sky gods.

Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks.

SS

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Gay marriage shouldn't have anything to do with religion. It is fucking ridiculous to claim other people having rights infringes on your religion. And doing your job as a caterer is a requirement of having a catering business.

No one listens when the left criticizes Muslims. It is a hearing problem by Christians.

Even if you were right, should Christians have the right to a life free of criticism?

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Speak for yourself. I am a Christian and have no desire to mistreat Muslims or Christians. But your right when you say that Muslims by and large get no special treatment in this country than Christians do. When their given some of the rights we have in fact some Christian fundamentalists who present a small portion of us that cry about it and mistake equality for favoritism.

Saintnow and badmam and FromWithin all do this. They are not Christian progressives like me, and thank God their bigotry is not the norm for us. By church especially is tolerant of Islam. We lead the way in actually putting into practice what Jesus spoke of. Nobody touches us in this regard.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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It's the hypocrites that supports killing viable unborn babies up to birth. The bigot that hates our most innocent lives. How can one person be so lost? HYPOCRITE!

Dante756(77) Disputed
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The media and the left DO NOT treat Muslims like Christians. One is the victim and one is the perpetrator.

"Can you name one thing that progressives allow Muslims to do that they don't allow Christians to do?"

Rape people. Keep their wives as SLAVES. Cover up their women to the point of suppression. Prevent women from learning and driving. Operate barbaric sharia courts.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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That is only done in other countries and the left does not condone those acts.

DS0330(267) Disputed
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Progressives don't allow Muslims to rape and keep their wives as slaves. This is in a different country.

One interesting point to make that refutes your entire statement is that Saudi Arabia(where all this stuff is allowed) is considered to be the most conservative of the countries of the world. So it is really conservative beliefs allowing this.

"Saudi Arabia and the regions controlled by ISIS are probably the most conservative areas on the planet. Social etiquette and rigid social norms are legally enforced by a government that is basically run by the Church. Women cannot drive yet in Saudi Arabia."

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-liberal-and-conservative-areas-in-the-world