I agree with the medical problems. You left out rape, incest, and affordability. If the child is doomed to live in poverty without basic medical services and care, why bring it into a life of misery. Conservatives would rather have it suffer than let someone like Planned Parenthood exist that could help it to grow up healthy, with a reasonably healthy mother, so, ( I ) would rather be aborted than suffer ... and probably turn to a life of crime .... than be "saved" for the slaughterhouse of a miserable, unhealthy life with no educational or health support.

After you pass through the birth canal, with conservatives, you are on your own!

Abortion is a poor alternative to looking after humanity better. If we have millions of women (and men) having children and they can't garner enough money to support themselves and their children while leading satisfactorily free lives, then we need a solution to remedy that. The Progressives in America seem to think this solution is abortion without restraint, and the Republicans seem to think it is "close your legs" or "work harder".

Neither of these solutions are sufficient. "Work harder" isn't always reasonable: jobs aren't easy to get, or to maintain, or to progress in. Not everybody has the time to do this, and especially with a child. As for abortion without constraint, it is immoral, repulsive, against our natural instincts to bond with and preserve the infancy of our species.

Two observations:

1. People will always have sex, and many of those will have unprotected sex: it's part of human nature, and it can't be educated out of us.

2. People will always need food, water, and shelter.

This is a planet full to the brim with resources, and we are citizens of this planet. As far as I am concerned, food and water at least, are birthrights of anybody born on Earth. It is the right of an animal to eat and to drink as it pleases. Biological, evolutionary, instinctual. Lions don't ask permission to eat a gazelle, and giraffes don't ask permission to pick leaves from a tree. I don't see why humans should need permission (by proxy of government decree on legal tender) to eat, either.

If food became a human right, rather than some commodity owned almost entirely by for-profit companies, a large percentage of the world's problems would disappear overnight. At the very least we should consider forcing companies that trade in food and water to become non-profits. Food IS a fundamental right of man, and mankind will chase it regardless of laws. There is nothing you can say to a hungry man that will stop him from eating if given the opportunity. Nothing.

So let's get that out of the way first: make food and water rights -- or something to the same outcome -- and restructure our government and economies in order to provide these as rights: these are political choices that we, as free citizens in democracies, have the power to make. Forget what they told you about "work or starve": YOU are an arbiter of your country; YOU have a vote and a say: YOU CAN decide not to listen to what "they" want, and start listening to what YOU want. We are an intelligent species, we have all the ability in the world to co-operate in order to make this a reality. What we don't have is the collective will, which fucks me off to no end.

All significant political leaps in history came about by dissent, by a collective desire to say "fuck you" to centralized power, "fuck you" to didactic leaders, "fuck you" to people who tell us we can't or it's wrong.

There's nothing "wrong" at all about desiring ample food and water for your fellow humans. Nothing.

"But what will people work for?" "We need incentive" blah blah blah. Food and water are necessities; they will always be necessities regardless of incentive or not. We don't deprive the world of a workforce by allowing basic necessities to be rights, but we DO deprive millions of people of food and water by allowing basic necessities to be considered commodities. There are plenty of other things we can work for besides food and water: enjoyment, interest, passion.

Anybody who thinks the "economic argument" has any weight in this regard is still under the illusion that economy must and shall always exist independent of politics. That's bullshit. We have it within our authority as citizens of our countries to collectively direct the economy as we see fit, through democratic process, just as our ancestors had the authority to seize all manner of entities, bodies, institutions, judiciaries and vestments of power under their jurisdiction. The idea that we can't tread on the sacred status quo of the economy is utter bullshit.

Democracy is about the people making decisions for the people and right now the world needs food, water and shelter. There's plenty of it out there, more than enough for everyone. The question is can you stomach putting a few very rich men out of business, or is the principle of "free market" (like there is such a thing .. pfft) more important to you than the principle of "don't force people to live lives of poverty"?

What one young single mother gives up in life when she decides to keep a pregnancy in our society, is worth more than the financial losses of some collection of rich fucks who loose a monopoly on the world's food.

Fuck them. They don't give a shit about you or about normal people with everyday problems, working themselves into early graves for basic needs. They don't give a shit. If they gave a shit they would have done the right thing and given their companies over to the public decades ago.

The same goes for every other company out there that makes money out of peoples' desperation.

Whilst the mother may have possible medical contraindications (not treatable psychiatric conditions) we also need to consider there are significant conditions that some unborn will suffer and endure a very poor quality of life if carried to term so their needs should be considered just as much as the mother.

Sitar, I agree with you, but would have to include rape and incest.

Liberals want us to forget that abortion involves killing babies. They want to refer to it as a "woman's right to choose what she can do with her own body".

Which of course makes no sense at all, because while pregnant she is sharing her body with a baby. Daaaaaaa 😂

I think you would have to define what you mean by a medical problem

And I like green beans and ham. And I like green beans and ham. And I like green beans and ham.

Bit silly that we keep making the same assertion over and over again without any arguments isnt it?

Are you saying that raping with condoms on, is justified ? Legal abortion has it's terms set by law in most of the countries.

That's an understandable position and should theoretically be easy to defend. But tell me, do the antiabortion boosters still come after you for it? I bet they do.

And so I'm curious, is the reason you only support it for the health of the mother because you are 100% against any other scenario, or is it because you're trying to find the reasonable middle ground? Because, ironically, I don't think there is a middle ground anymore. The people who are pro life are so adamantly pro life they'll think you're just as big a monster as the person who says heck yeah the mother can get it just on a whim.

When do you consider a baby as a living being?

I mean, at the moment of creation, a baby is a single cell. So "killing" it is equivalent to scratching your hand.

How long does it take to convert an fetus into a human?

I've been through this with you many times. What do you call medical problems?

Depression? Depression is a medical issue and all a woman has to do is tel the doctor she is depressed which would apply to every woman having an abortion!

I agree with life of mother abortions. That covers any illness that might be life threatening. Most other medical conditions would not justify taking an innocent life.

Who decides which illnesses justifies killing an innocent life? Life of mother is how the wording should be....... period!

It matters not what eceptions the GOP would come up with. Democrats would never support any restrictions on abortion. They want all abortions for any reason at any stage.

They have lost all humanity.