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National K-12 school system Private/state/local schools
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Nationalize public education

Create a national K-12 public school system


National K-12 school system

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Private/state/local schools

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4 points

The United States should create a national K-12 public school system with a national curriculum, national textbooks for each subject in each grade, national teacher qualifications and standardized exams for all subjects in all grades.

Furthermore, each school created for this national school system should have a board of directors consisting of the parents/guardians of the students enrolled and this board would have the power to set disciplinary standards for the school, hire school administrators and teachers and make regulations regarding religious observances.

The federal government should provide a minimum level of funding for each school (mainly $50,000 teacher salaries) and each school should be allowed to use BINGO games and lotteries as fundraisers if the school is located in a state where the government runs a lottery.

The national curriculum should not include any material pertaining to the origin of life or the history of life, i.e., evolution and creationism/intelligent design should not be addressed.

The solution to public schools with low standards is not private schools with no standards.

Neither private schools, nor home-schools in Florida are regulated by state law in regards to their curriculum, teacher qualifications, accreditation or student testing. As a consequence there are at least 100 private schools in my part of Florida and with very rare exception they are simply diploma mills for brats that cannot or will not do the work required by public schools. In the absence of government regulation private schools do not work and cannot serve as an alternative to public schools.

137 days ago | Tagged As: National K-12 school system
- ThePyg(3123) Disputed
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How will students learn about Evolution and theories on the origin of life?

despite it's controversy, evolution is still the closest to accurate theory on life.

And what creates the truly smart children is the ability and passion to debate such issues. Religious fanatics shouldn't be suing teachers just because they say that Evolution is a valid theory. As long as they don't say that God doesn't exist or shit like that.

137 days ago | Tagged As: Private/state/local schools
- jessald(1347) Supported
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That all sounds pretty good to me.

Except for not teaching evolution, that's just offensively anti-science.

137 days ago | Tagged As: National K-12 school system
- frenchieak(1107) Supported
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I cannot agree more. There is absolutely no reason that in one side of the country students learn one curriculum, and on the other side another, let alone different standards and curriculum for students across town from one another.

A national school system would help ensure that each student is given the same opportunity and that poorer schools can be given money needed to educate the students to the same level as schools in rich areas.

All schools should educate students to the same levels and there should be no way for a student to do less work, try less, and take easier classes while still receiving a diploma that carries as much weight as a hard-working, intelligent student.

137 days ago | Tagged As: National K-12 school system
- jafl(80) Supported
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“There is absolutely no reason that in one side of the country students learn one curriculum, and on the other side another, let alone different standards and curriculum for students across town from one another.”

You’re telling me. Once when I worked for a tutoring service I had students for 8th grade math who went to different public schools and used different textbooks. And then I had 3 8th grade math students from the exact same public school who were using the same textbook but because they had different teachers they were not covering the same material since the teachers were allowed teach whatever they wanted to teach.

“A national school system would help ensure that each student is given the same opportunity and that poorer schools can be given money needed to educate the students to the same level as schools in rich areas.”

I have seen too much money wasted in public schools (and private ones as well) to believe that money spent is a good indicator of quality. Raising and standardizing teacher qualifications will do more than simply spending money will. By private industry standards public school teachers in Florida make very good money (starting salary for a new teacher with no classroom experience here is at least $30,000 a year). But at the same time I don’t see how we can expect anyone to want to work in some public schools for what teachers get paid. No amount of money is worth putting your life on the line on a daily basis outside of war and this is precisely what we expect some public school teachers to do.

“All schools should educate students to the same levels and there should be no way for a student to do less work, try less, and take easier classes while still receiving a diploma that carries as much weight as a hard-working, intelligent student.”

Ever since I got out of college I have wanted to establish a non-profit K-12 school that would have a 45-week school year and a reformed curriculum that would let students graduate with the equivalent of an associate’s degree. But I seriously doubt that there would be a market for such a school because most parents do not care.

137 days ago | Tagged As: National K-12 school system
- MKIced(1756) Disputed
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I don't really see too much of a problem with a national school system that regulates curriculum and the like, but I still think there should be local school systems simply out of practicality. There are just too many schools in America to all be in the same system centered in one place, unless there are other secondary school systems throughout the nation.

"The national curriculum should not include any material pertaining to the origin of life or the history of life, i.e., evolution and creationism/intelligent design should not be addressed."

I believe these subjects should be taught together. If you think about it, most children, like myself, go to some sort of catechism or Sunday school, which would only teach creation. I think every child should be taught both and make up his or her own mind on the matter.

Finally, I find your remark about how "private schools do not work and cannot serve as an alternative to public schools" very offensive. I just graduated from a private school and I must say it's a better education than what I would've gotten at my public school, which is overcrowded and full of vanity and materialism. My public school gives students very short classes and too much free time throughout the day. My schedule, for the most part, was 40 minute classes, with 8 classes a day and double period labs. We only get one lunch period, until senior year when we no longer take gym and health (but my school was so big on sports and clubs and stuff that gym was a joke any way. I skipped every day junior year.) So even though we got out a month earlier than public school, we technically got more time for each class than the public school students. Not to mention, since our school is a college prep school, we didn't waste time with electives and such, but had math, science (bio, chem, and physics), English, world language, history, and religion (lots of philosophy, morality, and history of Church. Not so much Church teachings.)

136 days ago | Tagged As: Private/state/local schools
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Public education is a jobs program not an education program.

Recommended reading "Dumbing us down" by John Taylor Gatto

137 days ago | Tagged As: Private/state/local schools
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