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Nazism was far left and far right combined Part 2
**--The link provided was used by the rabid leftist socialist Nomenclature--**
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.**
**Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.**
**According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other.**
**As a Nazi, Hitler expressed opposition to capitalism, regarding it as having Jewish origins and accused capitalism of holding nations ransom to the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class.**
**Hitler publicly praised the Soviet Union's leader Joseph Stalin and Stalinism on numerous occasions.**
The Nazi's were in favor of a large, strong government exercising control over the means of production. Anyone who believes they were far right is not worthy of debating. The right is for small government and individualism.
(Fritzsche, Peter (1998). Germans into Nazis. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press. ISBN 978-0674350922.)
(Eatwell, Roger (1997). Fascism, A History. Viking-Penguin. pp. xvii–xxiv, 21, 26–31, 114–40, 352. ISBN 978-0140257007.)
(Griffin, Roger (2000). "Revolution from the Right: Fascism". In Parker, David. Revolutions and the Revolutionary Tradition in the West 1560-1991. London: Routledge. pp. 185–201. ISBN 978-0415172950.)
You see bronto, an intelligent person would not conclude that, since all the experts disagree with him, all the experts must therefore be involved in a liberal conspiracy. An intelligent person would conclude that, since all the experts disagree with him, he probably is wrong.
You see bronto, an intelligent person would not conclude that, since all the experts disagree with him, all the experts must therefore be involved in a liberal conspiracy. An intelligent person would conclude that, since all the experts disagree with him, he probably is wrong.
So do as the masses do, and follow the masses into the pit of hell. Excellent logic. Didn't the "experts" say Einstein was a joke..... experts indeed...
You yourself once claimed scholars were usually liberals in an attempt to attack the intelligence of conservatives.
I only "attempted" to attack the intelligence of Conservatives?
Well...that killed the "majority of scholars say Nazism is right wing" logic. Good one Einstein...left wing zealots telling us what and who is right wing. No surprise there...
Anyone who believes they were far right is not worthy of debating.
Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies.
The term is often associated with Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[5] These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions
I could careless what scholars think, just like I could care less what climate change scientists say who are being paid by the government to espouse certain views. The number one criteria for being on the right is individualism and small government. Everything else is a distant second. The Nazi's did not believe in small government, so they simply could not be on the right.
And yet you think anybody who agrees with these experts "is not worthy of debating". Can you explain why anybody would be interested in your own revisionist version of history in the first place? What if I claimed America was discovered by Bob Hope and then argued that anybody who thought otherwise "is not worthy of debating"? Would you think me edgy or just really, really stupid?
An expert who thinks people on the right are for big government are no experts, so there goes your argument right down the drain. So you are disputing the fact that Nazi's were in favor of government control. Interesting!
An expert who thinks people on the right are for big government are no experts
Are you even for real? Ahahaha! Can you explain to me where you have gotten the idea that the left wants a bigger government? Do you even understand that Marxism is about ABOLISHING the state? Not extending it?
God, you are just soooooooooo stupid. Fascism is about "small government", is it?
You can't have a discussion without making disparaging comments. I feel sorry for everyone who is involved in your life. This will be the last time I correspond with you. You are simply not mature enough to have a debate with someone of my stature.
neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.
Kind of like Islam, which the left refuses to touch.
While his followers in your link claimed to be Communists and Socialists pre Hitler...
Yes. Being anti Jew is a rational stance for evangelicals seeing Jesus was a Jew and the Bible says to stand with the Jews...or not...but for liberal atheists? You bet your ass.
.we both know Germany isn't a particularly "Christian" nation now don't we nomencrotch?
While his followers in your link claimed to be Communists
Ahahahahahaha! The Nazis claimed to be Communists? That's literally the funniest thing I've heard you say so far this week.
Many nationalists and conservatives believed that Germany had not lost the war on the battlefield but due to betrayal from within, by a ‘stab in the back’. Socialists, communists and particularly Jews were blamed, even though more than 100,000 German and Austrian Jews had served in the war and 12,000 had been killed.
In Hitler's mind, Communism was a major enemy of Germany, an enemy he often mentions in Mein Kampf. During the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler claimed that his singular goal was to assist the German government in "fighting Marxism".[101] Marxism, Bolshevism, and Communism were interchangeable terms for Hitler as evidenced by their use in Mein Kampf
Ahahahahahaha! The Nazis claimed to be Communists? That's literally the funniest thing I've heard you say so far this week.
Yes. I got it from your link and even copy and pasted it to my debate. It said they followed him as Communist and Socialists and that they were later angry that they had been deceived. The point? Communists followed Nazism thinking it was left wing. It was sold to them as being left wing.
Yes. I got it from your link and even copy and pasted it to my debate
LOL! Yes bronto, and I copy/pasted the proof from your own link that you have a three inch penis. Go away, you delusional liar. The entire existence of the German Nazi Party was predicated on the desire to eliminate Communism from Europe, so are you arguing that the ultimate aim of the Nazis was to eliminate themselves?
Last I checked a rabid Conservative led Britain against Hitler. You must really hate Churchill seeing that by your logic, he himself was a Nazi, being a far right winger...
Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist
And oddly the American left kept voting in KKK members for decades after WWII, demonstrably, until and up to at least 2010. (Example Robert Byrd, who Hillary Clinton referred to as her mentor) Isn't that a daisy...
And oddly the American left kept voting in KKK members for decades after WWII
I don't understand why you keep trying to change the subject. Let's stick to the facts. You have opened up a thread in which you are trying to defend the precise same lie Hitler told the Germans in order to maximise votes for the Nazi Party. Nothing more needs to be said because that fact alone demonstrates that you are a fascist. You are ignoring the "vast majority of scholars" who have demonstrated Nazism to be on the far political right, and are instead paraphrasing Hitler. Worse, in fact, you slander "the majority of scholars" with accusations of bias, while you simultaneously argue that Hitler was neutral. This is idiocy the likes of which will not be found outside of the United States of America.
You have opened up a thread in which you are trying to defend the precise same lie Hitler told the Germans in order to maximise votes for the Nazi Party
If you are lying about being left wing, and millions follow you? That means your followers were left wing.
If you are lying about being left wing, and millions follow you? That means your followers were left wing.
He didn't claim to be left wing you infuriating retard. He claimed to represent both left and right so that more people would vote for him. Your lies are not even consistent with THEMSELVES, bronto. Your thread makes the claim that the Nazis were syncretic, based on Hitler's own lies, and yet here you are changing that claim halfway through so that you can launch yet more smear against the left!
You are categorically mad. Make up your mind, dickhead. Were the Nazis in the middle or were they on the left?
You didn't post anything verbatim you retarded imbecile. You picked out all the Hitler quotes. Not only can you not spell verbatim, but you clearly do not know what it even means.
The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other.
"Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.
-Adolf Hitler
"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager.
Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism… How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!"
-Adolf Hitler
"Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager.
"In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and students from the Right. These two have always been the most active elements."
-Adolf Hitler
As quoted in Der Fuehrer Hitler’s Rise to Power, Konrad Heiden, Boston, MA, Beacon Press, 1969, p. 147, first published 1944. Hitler’s quote also cited in Totalitarianism: Part Three of The Origins of Totalitarianism, Hannah Arendt, A Harvest Book, 1985, footnote, p. 7
Adolf Hitler and other proponents denied the view that Nazism was either left-wing or right-wing, instead they officially portrayed Nazism as a syncretic movement.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany, saying:
"Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors ... But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms."
"When asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and he also indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism."
The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other.
As a Nazi, Hitler expressed opposition to capitalism, regarding it as having Jewish origins and accused capitalism of holding nations ransom to the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class.
Hitler publicly praised the Soviet Union's leader Joseph Stalin and Stalinism on numerous occasions.
Fact: Your wall of text consists entirely of Hitler quotes. Hitler is not a neutral source of information. How can you claim that you are not a Nazi when you are taking the proven lies of a despotic madman over the part of the text which makes it absolutely clear that he was on the far right? You label Wikipedia as "a leftist propaganda site" while at the same time you use it to copy/paste Hitler quotes as if he is somehow more reliable!!! You are a lying fascist retard, bronto.
The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.
Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies. The term is often associated with Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[5] These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.
Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be".
But all over that link, it says that his followers were
No bronto, all over that link it says his followers came from both left and right, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF HIM LYING ABOUT REPRESENTING BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT.
Omfg. How is it possible that you are simultaneously both so dishonest and so stupid?
Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies. The term is often associated with Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[5] These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.
Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be".
The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other.
Yeah, nice red herring. I like it. I have one too:-
Conservatives 'hostile' to business and 'flirting with anti-capitalism', former Tory minister warns
"A creeping sense of hostility to business" has taken hold in the Conservative party which is also "flirting with anti-capitalism", the former head of the No 10 policy unit has warned ahead of a crackdown on executive pay.
Oh, I see. Hitler being a liar proves your point that Hitler should be referenced as a neutral source of information. What do you suppose would happen if you were writing a university dissertation and your "evidence" was based entirely on claims made by Hitler?
The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other
"The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other."
Much of the link consists of things that are not "Hitler quotes"
The link says the Nazis were on the far right, bronto.
and you refuse to address them
That claim is absurd and the precise opposite of the truth. The entire reason you went looking for Hitler quotes is because you refuse to address that the link says the Nazis were on the far right.
And...you refuse to accept that the same said link says this.
Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other
Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies. The term is often associated with Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[5] These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.
Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be".
The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other.
Is there anything contradictory in calling Nazism a form of radical right wing socialism? There nationalism puts them on the right, but they clearly had Socialist policies. So what?
Furthermore, who cares if the totalitarian in question was left or right? Shouldn’t it matter more that they were totalitarian? Then we can debate which ideologies lead to totalitarianism and why rather than arguing over which relatively subjective label fits best.
Worse, in fact, you slander "the majority of scholars" with accusations of bias, while you simultaneously argue that Hitler was neutral
No. I copied and pasted from your link which says nothing about neutrality, but that he used both the far left and far right to push forward Nazism as a united front. Not my link. Your link.
The radical Nazi Joseph Goebbels hated capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core.
Large segments of the Nazi Party staunchly supported its official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933.
Many of the million members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) were committed to the party's official socialist program, including many Social Democrats and Communists who switched sides and became known as "Beefsteak Nazis": brown on the outside and red inside.
According to historian Thomas Weber, Hitler attended the funeral of communist Kurt Eisner (a German Jew), wearing a black mourning armband on one arm and a red communist armband on the other.
Bronto, you know you are winning a debate when they resort to calling you names. The leftists always find their way there when facts they do not like are introduced and they have nothing else but the usual racist, sexist, homophobe antics.
Really? Then explain to us how white supremacists ran the Democratic Party pre WWII and Post WWII for decades. Were you a Republican back then? Of course not. Do you have something to tell us?
You can TRY to paint libs as Nazilike, but you FAIL
Not actually. Hitler's followers were socialists, and the links I provided were used by a leftist on this site. If his followers were socialists, and he claimed to be a socialist, then what does that tell you? Please. Do tell.
