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Debate Score:37
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Necrophilia should be decriminalized.

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6 points

I don't know much about it's status but necrophilia shouln't be criminal. It's disgusting, but unless you can identify a victim there's no cause to criminalize it.

-There are legal ways of obtaining a corpse, family pets being just one.

-Disease holds no power over this debate as 1) It hasn't been determined that one can contract a communicable disease, and 2) (even if they did) we live in a world fraught with sexually transmitted disease, caution shouldn't be considered based on the whims of a legal system, it should be excercised always and especially in promiscuous circles. There's virtually no valid reason to contract diseases whether the host is a necrophiliac or carrying syphilis.

-Ethics don't play a part in one's indulging in sexual actiites whether perverse or "normal" as long as a victim wasn't created.

-The necrophiliac doesn't require consent as the corpse won't become a victim in the process. If the family of the deceased takes issue, you have a victim.

-There is no reason not to decriminalize necrophilia. The fact that victims CAN be made would allow for the argument that rocks should be criminalized as they can be thrown.

What are any of you worried about? That once it's decriminalized the instances of necrophilia will rise ten fold? There will be an orgy of corpses in the streets?

Bestiality can be argued as criminal for good reason, necrophilia can't.

The legal system is backed up enough.

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2 points

family pets being just one.

Necrozoophilia.

The necrophiliac doesn't require consent as the corpse won't become a victim in the process.

One is said to be 'disrespecting' a corpse when one engages in carnal behavior with said corpse. In essence, a corpse (as a previously living, full-fledged human being) has rights.

There will be an orgy of corpses in the streets?

Even if such an activity did occur, they could be arrested on numerous counts: from public indecency to littering (they are making a mess of the streets with the corpses).

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2 points

Necrozoophilia

The definition of necrophilia includes the word corpse, as opposed to cadaver. You're absolutely correct in the specification necrozoophilia.

One is said to be 'disrespecting' a corpse when one engages in carnal behavior with said corpse. In essence, a corpse (as a previously living, full-fledged human being) has rights.

Without an observer, an inanimate object can't possibly be disrespected. This falls into the realm of religion, that there will be a consequence (karmically or other) if you desecrate a corpse, the corpse faces no repercussions from said activity, so all that's left are the repercussions to the necrophiliac, and this isn't the only way in which someone may "damn their own soul".

Even if such an activity did occur, they could be arrested on numerous counts: from public indecency to littering (they are making a mess of the streets with the corpses).

Haha you're correct, I was referring to the potential increase in cases of necrophilia. I don't feel it's an issue.

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1 point

A study carried out by two experts in 1988 found that 42% of their study sample of necrophiles had murdered in order to obtain a body.

http://www.forensicpsychiatry.ca/paraphilia/necro.htm

So perhaps it should be decriminalised as long as the corpse is pre-ordered legally.

However...

As for health risks , well that all depends on the condition of the corpse.

Various deseases including Aids can survive within the body for a short time after death.

Also there has been reported cases of sexually transmitted corpse-worm.

eeewk!

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2 points

In ancient Egypt, if a beautiful woman died they would wait for her to decompose before sending her to the embalmers. They thought that the embalmers would engage in intercourse with the body.

So, if necrophilia were legalized, some form of corporation/agency could be set up to sell bodies to necrophiles. It could potentially decrease the number of murders...

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1 point

It seems that everyone is missing a major solution. A person has the right to dictate what happens to their body after death. We pay copious amounts of money to make sure we can be buried in a KISS casket if we so choose. Why can't we give written consent for our lifeless bodies to be used for the pleasure of other? Even if it is only to our husbands or wives.

I personally enjoy this idea and would partake in this solution. No one would have "mentally unstable" antagonists having sex with their corpse without written consent, I get the right to say my husband can do what he needs to after my death, and those with Necrophiliac tendencies get the chance to release that frustration in a safe and legal way.

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4 points

Nah.

I mean, I honestly don't think there is anything sacred about a dead person, no more so than anything else that isn't alive. But dead bodies have a lot of disease and relatives and loved ones of the deceased shouldn't be subjected, or should not have to worry about being subjected, to some mentally unstable person using the deceased corpse as a fuck toy.

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TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
2 points

Which diseases? Are those diseases communicable?

If not, is it not the right of the necrophile to take that risk?

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1 point

I don't know about any possibible diseases that can result from a dead body, but it's decay can release toxins.

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1 point

I presume this is a dig at social liberals?

I would say from a purely logical perspective necrophilia could be conducted in an ethical manner, so from an objective perspective it should be legal.

But the values of a society also play a role in shaping law. If society doesn't like necrophilia then society should be able to make necrophilia illegal.

Why doesn't the same logic apply to gay marriage? It's simply a matter of numbers. There are far more homosexuals than there are necrophiliacs. And the degree of repulsion society feels toward necrophiliacs is far greater than it feels toward homosexuals. When it comes to anti-homosexual legislation, the collective harm caused by the denial of liberty to a significant portion of the population outweighs the benefit of allowing society to enforce the irrational values of the majority. When it comes to necrophilia, the opposite is true.

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1 point

The means of obtaining a corpse are either illegal or violate common mores. Necrophilia is criminal in other words as a matter of practicality.

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TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

If there were a legal way of obtaining a corpse would you condemn decriminalization of necrophilia?

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aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

If there were a legal way to obtain a corpse it would still likely violate society's mores, to the point of being taboo. If this was no longer the case, then there would be no need for opposition.

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1 point

Just the thought of having sex with a dead body is disgusting. Diseases can be spread!

Side: Wait..., What? No!
1 point

No, even if I am dead the last thing I want to have happen is some mentally unstable crazed man/woman comes and uses my body as their personal boy toy.

That is my only real reason as to why Necrophilia should be decriminalized, I'm sure theres a phobia for that =P

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1 point

To be totally honest i would not want someone fucking my dead body either. Ther thing about homosexual marriges is probaly because the "normal" person does not think about things in this sort. Instead of living a "normal" life they have to try to ruin homosexuals life.

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1 point

I'm assuming this is meant to explore the differences and similarities between homosexuality and other "perversions" of average sexuality.

A homosexual relationship is limited to two consenting adults who are capable of making their own decisions. A corpse is incapable of consenting to anything.

Some people may argue that inanimate objects are also incapable of consenting, but it is commonly accepted that corpses are to be treated with more caution and deference than a table or chair.

If there were some way to opt to have ones' corpse donated to some necrophiliac association for that express purpose, then...why not, I guess? This is assuming that this would not result in the spread of disease.

Side: Wait..., What? No!

I agree with your points on this if someone was to be able to donate then yes it would be OK I guess. But it is an odd perversion and does not equate with Homosexuality and I do know that that was not your inference. But a corpse as in when it was alive should be treated with the respect it deserves. The very thought of someone molesting my corpse or that of loved ones is chilling and repulsive. Necrophilia like rape and pedophilia is inhumane and goes against normal biological urges, it is a miss firing of some part of the brain and people guilty of it need to be evaluated and treated.

But as you state on the donation aspect if no one is getting hurt and no ones rights to rest in peace are violated then it would be a lot better to give them this option but I cant see it ever being made legal as society as a whole is disgusted by this invasion of privacy and breaking of moral code.

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zombee(1026) Disputed
2 points

I don't intend to equate necrophilia, or any other form of sexuality in which there is a 'victim', to homosexuality. It is a common tactic of anti-gay-rights activists to lump homosexuality in with necrophilia, bestiality, and pedophilia, so I was under the impression Terminator created this debate to explore the differences between expressions of sexuality that are not mainstream.

But I also answered the question literally in case that's how it was intended. I also think necrophilia will never be legalized as by and large people are emotional and sentimental instead of logical.

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