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 No moral difference. (42)

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No moral difference.

Whether you are a Christian, Muslim or a Jew, there is no moral difference. The God of the old testament is the main character of all three religions. The God of the old testament is one of the most evil characters in all fiction. If you truly used the moral teachings of their books, you would be a criminal in every country known to man. It would make you a racist, misogynistic, masochistic, sycophantic, homophobic, homicidal, infanticidal, genocidal, sadistic, child molesting, rapist. There is nothing good that can come from living your life by this dogma. All the problems that Christians have with Islam comes from the same book that they themselves follow.

The fact that there are good Christians and good Muslims is only evidence that there are good people in the world.

Religion is an insult to human dignity.
Without it you would still have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. But to get good people to do bad things, that takes religion.

Everyone is more moral than the God of the Bible, Quran, and Torah.
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If you truly used the moral teachings of their books

According to your interpretation of the moral teachings of their books. It is the variation in interpretation, which leads to differences of action, that creates the moral difference between these groups, despite their common god.

But to get good people to do bad things, that takes religion

Or ideology. Or cult of personality. Or ignorance. Or misinformation...

Wolfgang666(172) Clarified
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I'm really getting tired of the cop out of saying the word "interpretation." All that means in religion is that there are parts you don't listen to in the Bible and some you do. If I were to say " if a man lieth with another man as he would lieth with a woman, they have both committed an abomination in the eyes of the lord, and the punishment is death" how would you wiggle out of thinking that that means capital punishment for being gay.

What if I said" Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." What kind of mental gymnastics are you going to do to say that this verse doesn't say that not only can you keep slaves but also you can beat them as harshly as you want as long as they don't die from it.

Amarel(3613) Disputed
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When punishment (for crimes against god) is for god, as vengeance is, then capital punishment isn’t the Christian thing to do. When slavery is not part of our culture, rules concerning slavery are obviously moot. I’m not a Christian and that took very little effort.

It doesn’t matter if there are mental gymnastics or biblical omissions. What matters is how people of a given faith manifest their faith outwardly. That’s all that should matter to those outside a given faith. Given the age of religious texts, it makes no sense for an outsider to demand that all the outdated edicts be strictly followed and then claim that strictly following all the edicts makes all religion equally immoral.

If it is true that interpretation is just another word for ignoring things, then the moral standing of one religion to another depends on how many evil practices are adopted, not how many are written about.

TzarPepe(793) Disputed
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There will always be controversy. The proper interpretation of all scripture leads to the realization of God, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, and maintaining consciousness of this.

You have to realize God before you can be God conscious. The proper interpretation of all scripture points to The Way.

There is nothing you can do to stop people from using any justification at all for evil. If it wasn't scripture or religion, it's be equal rights, freedom, independence, or even hunger.

The point is that the best possible policy is universally to keep it real. That is what God is about.

Yes, making peace with reality is morally superior to demanding that reality conform to what you think it is or should be.

Understand, I am not quoting scripture because they have authority by themselves. No, I quote these scriptures in order to reveal to you that the opinions you are expressing do not come from knowledge of the faith. You are taking scripture out of context because you don't know the context. You don't know the intent or purpose of scripture, so you have a lot of superstitious ideas. Superstitious ideas shared by unbelievers as well as professed unbelivers. This is what is throwing you off.

The mystery is in recognizing The Name in The Supreme and Ultimate Reality!

Why it is written in scripture,

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Why is it written in scripture,

"the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Really though, the reason why you have the freedom to be happy has a great deal to do with people who loved God.

You do realize that Christian scripture claims that it was the religious authorities calling for Jesus Christ to be put to death. For what? BLASPHEMY!

You can't kill The Word of God. You can't kill The Truth. These devils all have their schemes, but no one can outwit God. Truth stands CLEARLY DISTINCT from error.

Make no mistake, God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

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racist, misogynistic, masochistic, sycophantic, homophobic, homicidal, infanticidal, genocidal, sadistic, child molesting, rapist: sorry but my religion tells me no to be/do that kind of stuff

Wolfgang666(172) Clarified
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You are probably one of those " only read the good parts" Christians or Muslims. The old testament condones slavery, rape, murder, child abuse, genocide, child molestation, and racism. What is the punishment for unruly children? Death! What is the punishment for being gay? Death! What is the punishment for shaving your face? Death!

You can't use Jesus to disregard the old testament because he said that he came to fulfill the law, not to change it.

TzarPepe(793) Disputed
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"teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: from which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen"

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Saying there exists no moral difference between the two ignores reality. Otherwise, there would be little effective difference between America and Saudi Arabia.

Wolfgang666(172) Clarified
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Your culture determines how you choose to interpret the religious text that you believe.

There are some Muslims that blow themselves up for their religion and others that say Islam is force for peace. Just like how there are Christians that devote themselves to charity and others are killing their children in Africa because they think their children are witch's.

TzarPepe(793) Disputed
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Maybe there is a lot of disinformation out there about what it is all about.

Maybe you should pay more attention to what these writings engraved in stone are pointing to instead of simply plundering the tombs of dead men.

"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

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That was good.

You just managed to insult billions of people in one arrogant post. Take a bow.

Wolfgang666(172) Clarified
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Your feelings don't matter to me. Truth does. I'm tired of hearing religious people act like their religion is more superior to any other. You are just children playing out fantasies in your head. God's are like Santa Claus for adults. Grow up and stop holding society back.

Antrim(1304) Clarified
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I did not say that I necessarily disagreed with your interpretation of the superstitious hocus pocus of the various man made religions, just that the genuine beliefs of billions of people should be respected and referred to more reverently.

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The One True God that these scriptures and traditions speak of is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

If you think The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is evil, you are wrong. It is your thoughts that are evil. The Supreme and Ultimate Reality was here before you, is here now, and will be here forever more. Long after you die, long after the language you speak is forgotten, long after the faintest trace of your impact on the universe is obscured in the chaos, God will be there.

Hating God? What follows naturally from this is a disputation with The Truth. Wishing things were something other than they are because reality doesn't conform to personal standards, the finger is pointed in condemnation towards all. This standard of judgement is self condemnation. What follows from hating God? The embracing of arbitrariness.

The standard is personal whim. There is no moral difference between the words you speak and the words anyone else speaks. Your words will be forgotten, but God's Word stands forever.

There is only One Right Judge, The Determiner of All, and it can be known with a surety that God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

Wolfgang666(172) Clarified
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That is a pretty big statement to make. Do you have any evidence to back it up? If you say something is true but you don't have any verifiable evidence to substantiate your claim then you are just talking out of your ass.

How can I hate something I don't believe in? What you call God's word is just primitive savages speaking for their God. You are learning from people who knew less than you do. That is reverse education.

TzarPepe(793) Disputed
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Definition of testament

1 a : a tangible proof or tribute

The Old Testament is a proof. The New Testament is a proof. They are both self contained works. Find God, and be conscious of God. That is discipleship. That is what it is about.

What you are doing right now is picking little bits and pieces from the proof without seeing the whole thing. While you are doing this, you are parading around like you are so high and mighty when the only thing you are doing is making yourself look ignorant to those who actually know better. You will get many cheers from others who are also ignorant.

But if you really care about the truth as I believe I heard you claim, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. The Truth is what is important.

Believe me when I make plain this mystery of God. The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God, and there is no other.

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Everyone is more moral than the God of the Bible, Quran, and Torah.

According to what standard? What basis do you have to make such a claim?

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No moral difference.

Specific beliefs regarding human social behavior toward others (collectively) & individually are of direct relevance when considering "morality". Now, each of these books (as well as any other bit of social philosophy) advocate for differing views in respect to how Humans should lead their lives. Therefore, there will always be notable differences between such competing Philosophies both in theory and application (which may deviate from theory quite a bit)

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I'm trying to look at this objectively...

All the Abrahamic religions were competing for validity of monotheism when compared against lots of pagan religions with their angry and needy gods. They needed their one god to be a bigger [email protected] than anyone else. And they also needed the masses to fall in line and obey and do what they're told. That's probably where the bully god of the old testament gets all his bite.

But by defining a bully, someone who is going to torture and kill you however it suits him, they all have a moral equivalency. So yes. Yes you are right.

There are elements of differences between each. And there are lessons of love and kindness and compassion. But by claiming the same Abrahamic religion roots they all still own the dick god described within.

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Whether you are a Christian, Muslim or a Jew, there is no moral difference.

According to who?

The God of the old testament is the main character of all three religions.

You mean the trinitarian God of the Christians, Allah separate from the Christians and the Jews, and the unitarian God of the Jews?

The God of the old testament is one of the most evil characters in all fiction.

According to who?

If you truly used the moral teachings of their books, you would be a criminal in every country known to man.

Maybe if you're muslim. Where are Jews and Christians expected to kill someone simply for unbelief?

It would make you a racist, misogynistic, masochistic, sycophantic, homophobic, homicidal, infanticidal, genocidal, sadistic, child molesting, rapist. There is nothing good that can come from living your life by this dogma.

All the problems that Christians have with Islam comes from the same book that they themselves follow.

Who said the bible and the koran were the same thing?

The fact that there are good Christians and good Muslims is only evidence that there are good people in the world.

What do you mean by good people?

Religion is an insult to human dignity.

According to who?

Without it you would still have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. But to get good people to do bad things, that takes religion.

According to who?

Everyone is more moral than the God of the Bible, Quran, and Torah.

According to who?

Hello there - Wolfgang666

I see Your point of view concerning The Old Testament condoning slavery, rape, murder, child abuse, genocide, child molestation, and racism.

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But - If You read the Bible - the evidence is clear.

The punishment for participating in the enslavement / slave trade of Your fellow Israeli citizens was punished by the death penalty.

And The Bible - Commands to not to ever participate in the rounding up of slaves who were slaves from foreign lands or Israel who have escaped and run away from their slave owners and are hiding in Israel.

Please Notice Deu 23:15 Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee:

16 He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him.

Here, the Israelites were commanded to not - OWN - innocent, regular people as slaves ) were not to take part in { slave trade } and rounding up and RETURNING or SELLING any escaped slaves of neighboring nations.

They were to take care of these escaped slaves, KEEP, Care for and Feed them and respect them and give them a place and a chance for freedom. To work and be a Hired SERVANT / WORKER in Israel. As a Productive part of Society.

This is the FACT.

It is true. ……….. That the PUNISHMENT of slavery was the Death Penalty.

the punishment for RAPE – also - is the DEATH penalty, According to the Bible..

Check it out.................... Deu 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

Deu 22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

the punishment for RAPE - is the DEATH penalty, According to the Bible..

If there was no proof of rape, then the man who had sex with the woman who accused Him of rape was that the man was to PROVIDE SUPPORT to the woman for the rest of His life - just for seducing her.

If, a woman is sexually assaulted in the Bible - the BIBLICAL LAW DEMANDS that the Rapist financially supports the woman He rapes - even if she does not want to marry Him. And if she is truly raped and unwilling of Her own free will, - then obviously, she will never marry the man and the Bible suggests that He work for the rest of His life to support the victim or be put to death.

As similar to a marriage contract - He SUPPORTS and PROVIDES SUPPORT for the rest of His life.

A mandatory lawsuit/ full automatic.

In the Bible - The rapists and the slave traders, kidnappers and pedophiles are to be - put to death. Mandatory death,

And If a woman is forced into sexual intercourse and not completely complicit but slightly resisted at the start - but gave in and encouraged and proceeded to participate and REFUSED TO HAVE THE WILL TO SAY NO - AND --- FAILED TO RESIST -

and - it is not a violent rape- the woman STILL MUST be supported and the father can decide if His daughter was forced and has to get married.

In the Bible days, The Jews following their God did not intend for things to be any more barbaric, wild or evil or insane than honorable American citizens do today.

Please do not pretend that the Bible is not able to be rationalized and understood by people who actually take the time to study and examine it in full details.

The Jews did not have the ability to make effective prison systems and control and protect their society from criminals with MODERN TECHNOLOGY of monitoring systems, cameras, forensic evidence, fingerprints, photos, telephones, Telegram Messaging systems, railroads in an organized network across the entire country.

The Biblical Jews did not have massive amounts of materials to make chains, steel bars, windows, and ventilation systems and air and water supplies and great powerful scopical binoculars, with satellites, guns and police with police water cannons and infrared sensors.

The Bible is very clear. The Midianites and Moabites and other unclean living people were bringing plagues, sickness, and diseases and unclean infected foods into the Hebrew camps and they were following the other god. ALWAYS in the Bible the term " Following the other gods '" always referred to and included the practices of the dangerous activity that was killing and infecting and killing thousands of people at a time and the god of the Bible was stopping the plagues and diseases by ordering the killing and removal of those who knew what they were doing was wrong and who were spreading the plagues and diseases and murdering their fellow citizens. The Bible was about protecting babies and protecting life.

Even today here in the USA - Today, If You are gay or have had any gay sex within the last year - You are banned from donating blood and organs. In the Bible days, there were no treatments, tests, medicines and antibiotics, cures, surgeries and modern advanced technologies. Once You catch a disease You and everyone that You knowingly infect are doomed to suffer a horrible, painful and excruciating, torturous and agonizing Painful horrible death. You beg for someone to knock You in the head and get it over with as Your penis or guts or liver or organs are literally slowly rotting off - with no painkillers, no treatments, and medicine. The Jews were being constantly attacked and were in a constant state of war. They were always on the run and living and surviving with all of Your neighbors attacking You,, it is completely impossible, especially when Your neighbors are also spreading diseases in the water supply and by having seXual contact with people in Your Own Neighborhoods.

Leviticus has explained many of the details of the violent, evil behaviors of the neighbors of the Israelites who were allied against Israel and attacking them ...... for even their sons and their daughters, they have burnt in the fire to their gods. .... Lev 18:3 ... ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, do not walk in their ordinances. Lev 18:7 INCEST - causing blood problems. - Lev 18:20 Adultery - Prostitution causing blood problems. - Lev 18:21 BURNING little Children in a fire. Lev 18:22 HOMOSEXUALITY - causing blood problems. Lev 18:23 BEASTALITY - causing blood problems.

There were diseases, plagues and at their last stages of dying from homosexual/gay rectal, bowel cancers and stomach cancers people die in horrible pain and agony. Homosexuals place others in danger. I know the pain, I have seen it and have spent time in the trenches, changing diapers of infected gays, cleaning up vomit and bathroom and bloody foam from the mouth as the gay or the infected dies in agony with blood and puss running from every orifice.

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Dear - Wolfgang666

The Quran does condone " slave trade "

and rape. There is absolutely no punishment - no penalty for slave trade or rape in the Quran AND the Quran / Islam's CORE foundation is " slave trade "

Even today - The slave trade is still happening - as it was in the Quran. Have You ever read these books ?

But - In the Bible -

The Contractor or Debt Payer / or BOSS / Master could hold the Children and the Wife at work until their debts were paid - if the Debtor MALE was irresponsible and engaging in getting married and having kids while attempting to pay off His debt.

They were to wait before they are able to afford to have a husband or wife and children, not place the whole burden of feeding the wives and all the other children that were produced in seven whole years off on the WELFARE STATE of whoever was paying off the debt.

In other words, the children were not the problem of the society just for OBAMA Type supporters to run around screwing everything that moved while being unable to take care of themselves or afford it. And eXpecting Your boss to pay for Your children while You were working to pay off a debt was not going to be an easy ride home with all Your children and wives You copulated into eXistance while paying and working off Your debt.

The entire Hebrew country would be like a Barak Obama or Hillary Clinton city of poverty and people who eXpect others to pay for their seXual joys, pleasures, and adventures.

Respectfully, Yours.

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The Bible tells us to love God with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself. It also tells us to do unto others as you would them do unto you. How is any of this evil? Anyone who acts otherwise is sinning against God. You may have a case against the other religions, but no one has ever been harmed by obeying the Bible

I agree -

but remember The Bible is very clear - the punishment for slavery is a full automatic death penalty.

The Egyptians enslaved the Jews and murdered their children.

Exo 1:14 The Egyptians made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with cruelty.

Exo 1:16 And he said When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women and see them upon the stools; if it is a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it is a daughter, then she shall live.

Exo 1:22 And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.

Many people also seem to ignore or forget that it was the Egyptians who murdered the Jewish children and the Egyptians who had cruelly, harshly and VIOLENTLY enslaved the Jews.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT A GOD TO DO TO HELP HIS HEBREW PEOPLE.

OF COURSE, GOD IS GOING TO KILL THE EGYPTIAN FIRSTBORN

OF COURSE, GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY THE ENTIRE EGYPTIAN ARMY.

The entire Bible explains everything - Yet pretend that God is just going around committing violence to the Brady Bunch.

Or that God is going through the world picking off people because they are singing out of tune. However, The entire Bible has explanations of why and what happened

Yet I never see the skeptics quoting the facts surrounding what they are writing about.

Check it out.................... Deu 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

Deu 22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so, is this matter:

the punishment for RAPE - is the DEATH penalty,

If, a woman is sexually assaulted in the Bible - the BIBLICAL LAW DEMANDS that the Rapist financially supports the woman He rapes - even if she does not want to marry Him. And if she is truly raped and unwilling of Her own free will, - then obviously, she will never marry the man and the Bible suggests that He work for the rest of His life to support the victim or be put to death.

As similar to a marriage contract - He SUPPORTS and PROVIDES SUPPORT for the rest of His life.

A mandatory lawsuit/ full automatic.

In the Bible - The rapists and the slave traders, kidnappers and pedophiles are to be - put to death. Mandatory death.

The Egyptians were child killers and slave traders. And their civilization was under Gods judgment. The God of The Bible - holds people and their children / offspring responsible as a whole.

All they had to do was stop murdering the Jewish babies and allow the Jews to go free. - God gave them plenty of warnings, signs, miracles, and evidence that He meant exactly what He said. Yet the Egyptians rebelled against God.

This is what rebellion against God causes in the Bible. When young man rebels against His Mother and Fathers Commandments Regarding Gods Laws and becomes a threat to His family and His community.

And He continues to ignore the dangers, ignore His Mother and Fathers words over and over and over and continues to cause dangerous problems - and is rebelling in this way.

He is to be put to death. God is about protecting families. When people rebel against God in the Bible - It always means that they are destroying their families and community.

The Bible is very clear - however, the skeptics, I believe are somewhat dishonest and unclear as they attempt to pretend that the scriptures represent their faiths and claims.

There were only about three or four times in the entire Bible when anyone was actually stoned to death at the Command of God and I can prove that every single last one of these three or four incidences was completely justified. The facts are the facts - sadly many pervert and twist the facts.

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The Egyptians enslaved the Jews and murdered their children.

According to The Bible -- a book written by Jews.

Concerning the man who was stoned to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath was directly related to the incidences of rotting and contaminated foods that were occurring by people who were rebelling and making food that was a health hazard.

This is why they were to not cook on the Sabbath in the first place.

And this is the beginning of the Sabbath Law and the first time that the Sabbath was mentioned in the Bible. The Sabbath Law was set up because of this very reason. Also, the stoning of the man gathering sticks on the Sabbath was a one-time event that was done because of the existing conditions that the Israelites were under as they were facing massive starvation and poisonous, rotting foods.

Exo 16:3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

Moses then gave a solution for preventing the starving and food shortage problems - However many of them refused to listen to Moses. Making the problem spread to more people.

Exo 16:20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses, but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.

21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.

22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe, and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

This Hebrew word """ worms, """" here in Exo 16:20* Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms,, and stank:

This is a Hebrew word associated with a deathly effect that occurs wherein the food is poisonous and dangerous to eat. The man who was stoned - was obviously a rebel, violator and a disruptor who was trying to rebel against the solution that Moses and the congregation had established for a solution for the starvation and rotten, poison food supply that was being wasted by people who tried to proceed with actions that brought about problems that threatened many, many other peoples lives as the food was scarce, people were beginning to starve from hunger and there are people cooking too much at a time and wasting massive amounts of food and creating starvation and toxic, rotten poisonous food supplies.

This was all explained. Everything is explained. in the Bible in detail.

If they are FACTUAL EVENTS or not - has no bearing, relevance or connection to the fact that it is attempted to be justified completely - as a life and death situation.. If You read the whole Bible and all of the details You will fully understand that they were starving to death. as it says. After studying this account in depth I have found that the Bible does never justify and detail demands for the death penalties and harsh punishment actions for the sake of exacting control on the masses of citizens under a church and state.

In fact, there is not a single stoning or punishment recorded in the 4,000 + years of recorded history for sodomy, adultery, bestiality or even worshiping other gods or idols. The Bible does not detail and condone the attacking of neighboring civilizations and slaughtering them over land, territory or for riches and wealth and vengeance.

The Bible explains every single last detail of every single commandment, decision, and action in all cases throughout the manuscripts. And it records the problems that breaking the laws had caused and the diseases, plagues, problems that were created by breaking these laws down to the last detail.

My faith in whether or not the details are true does not change the fact that EVERY SINGLE LAST event concerning the punishments was pertaining to these type examples ..

Such as - Here in the book of Num 25:9 the bible says that " And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. "

Num 25:1 And Israel abode in SHlTTIM, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.

2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.

3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.

4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.

6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation and took a javelin in his hand.

8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague stayed from the children of Israel.

The Bible is very clear.

9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. "

The Midianites and Moabites were bringing plagues, sickness, and diseases and unclean infected foods into the Hebrew camps and they were following the other god.

ALWAYS in the Bible the term " Following the other gods '" always referred to and included the practices of the dangerous activity that was killing and infecting and killing thousands of people at a time and the god of the Bible was stopping the plagues and diseases by ordering the killing and removal of those who knew what they were doing was wrong and who were spreading the plagues and diseases and murdering their fellow citizens.

There were no cures, no medicines, no doctors or prescriptions and surgeries.

Also 1 Corinthians 10:8

We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. !

Numbers 16:48 He stood between the living and the dead, and the plague was halted.

Numbers 16:49 But those who died from the plague numbered 14,700, in addition to those who had died on account of Korah.

This was done to stop starvation as the rebels were trying to cook too much food and it was rotting, poisonous and full of stink and worms. In an emergency when Moses was trying to control the food rations and slow down the amount of food being cooked and prepared -the man was stoned because He was ignoring the congregation who was suffering and trying to proceed full ahead with the rebels who were not listening to Moses who had offered a SOLUTION to STOP people from starving to death in this time period.