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Non-eligible voters do vote. And it matters

From the Journal of Electoral Studies:
We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.

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I live close to the border and there has been less crime in my area since Trump got in. It makes me so mad that these bottom feeders have the nerve to come into our country and act like entitled babies while the left uses them to get votes and steals from hard working Americans to give to illegals. There is a lot of crime here in El Paso and most of it is because of these free loading spic bastards who wouldn't know civilization if it crawled out of their back pocket and layed eggs in their butt crack.

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What can we do about this?.............................................................................................................................................

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In spite of substantial public controversy, very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States elections.

Hello A:

Color me a skeptic.. The above is from your "study".. But, it's NOT really a study.. It's an abstract of a study, and abstracts make conclusions.. I'd like to see the study and make my OWN conclusions...

Here's a conclusion I've made.. Illegals are, in the very FIRST instance, ILLEGAL.. The authorities are LOOKING for them.. If they find 'em, they'll THROW 'em out of the country.. And, not only them, their spouse, children, and aunts and uncles who are ALSO illegal..

So, it would take a lot of COJONES to approach an American authority in order to BREAK THE LAW right in front of them..

Now, I'm sure SOME of them do it.. But, realistically, not enough to change the outcome of an election..

That's certainly as good as your abstract, no?

excon

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Amarel(4987) Clarified
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That's certainly as good as your abstract, no?

No. The abstract provided comes from an article in a reputable scientific journal where the authors derived their opinions from data rather than hunches.

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excon(12966) Disputed
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derived their opinions from data rather than hunches.

Hello again, A:

One of the major differences between our views, is that one side can put their feet into the shoes of another.. That ISN'T your side..

To think that an undocumented worker, who can't speak English, would risk his entire family's existence in this country, by walking into the Secretary of States office, produce counterfeit documents, and swear that he's a citizen, isn't putting his feet into any undocumented worker's shoes that I know.

excon

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Here is the closest thing to the actual journal article. Note that this article is considered bias by some scholars. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.1835e3719148

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It appears you are right to be skeptical about this article too. Allegedly one of the authors also agrees that it is unknown for sure if this is the case. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/ 2014/10/29/fact-checker-noncitizen-voters-swing-senate/18131029/

And other scholars have found evidence to the contrary when it comes to the assertion that Dems are benefitting in particular from this.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2017.1284982

The issue however with the journal I am referencing is that it is not looking at illegal non-citizens and it assumes that illegal non-citizens voting is insignificant on the basis that those who vote face the threat of deportation and fear that threat too much to vote.

My point is not that it does not matter, but it is unknown if it tilts the scale enough to matter.

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Amarel(4987) Clarified
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It would make sense if one of the authors stated that it is unknown for sure. They said right in their intro that this is merely the first national estimate concerning the issue. The methodological challenges to the paper are called "tenuous at best" by detractors, but without an explanation other than that survey respondents probably accidentally hit the wrong response. I find that challenge tenuous at best, given that challenge undermines every survey ever.

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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SUPER STUPID your candidates are all about ILLEGAL ALIENS breaking the law ! Do you agree with breaking IMMIGRATION LAW set by the UNITED STATES CONGRESS ??????

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