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Not believing that gods exist doesn't mean believing gods do not exist
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In any binary issue, there are always three positions one can take: affirmative, negative, or neutral. Neutrality on an issue is failing to affirm or deny either position. Given that the existence of God, or gods, is such a binary issue, failing to believe in one position isn't affirming the other. Side: Agree
You better find out what the truth is before it's forced upon you in death. You can know the truth and the truth will make you free, you don't have to go around and around in uncertainty saying, I don't know about this and I cannot confirm the opposite. You can know. People who say they can't know are proving only one thing......they don't know. I know. I know that you can know. Why in the world do you want people who don't know what they are talking about to lead you in not knowing? You can know God for real personally, you can know His love, you can know the reality of His victory over death, you can know the power of His resurrection. You can know you will never die and live forever in Heaven with a new body which is not subject to the corruption of sin which is pulling you down in death now. Side: Agree
In this debate I hope to enlighten a few on the meaning of disbelief. It is not only aimed toward theists but also atheists. I noticed that many people when faced with any given statement, the only possibilities are to either believe that it is true or believe that it is false. There are a quite a handful of debates centered around atheism/beliefs. I saw that when faced with the question of whether any gods/god exist, the person must believe that either at least one god exists or believe that it is false that any gods exist. That is just incredibly incorrect. Side: Agree
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Christianity is life in the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, it's about a person, not a religion. You are lost, so you don't understand, you're in the kindom of darkness where sin has you chained in death, pulling you down to Hell. You need the Savior or you will be lost in Hell forever and you won't like your icon any more. Now you can take your punky self and open the dictionary and find some religious definition of from people who don't understand, who don't know God, who are not save, who are in the dark. You still have not answered what happened to you in life, or failed to happen like you wanted, so you became so nasty and hateful toward God? Are you angry at Him for causing you to exist? Side: Agree
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Pls. Do not bring anything here About pastafarianism. 1 stupid fool wakes up and he startS one stupid 'religious' movement to mock God and you just endorse it. Dig into the depths of your brains if this pastafarianism shit is wise or sensible enough for validation. I don't think pararell to stupid things, not to talk of contrary Side: Disagree
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And you didn't get what i was saying. Stop talking about or comparing pastafarism to christianity . It is the most absurd, stupid God mocking religion i ever heard of. Everything about it is just stupid. It could have been any other thing(i would have been Cool with it) than a religion. Side: Disagree
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My words came out wrong. The reason they don't matter is because I am discussing definition not what people believe. You don't know what I believe. I also don't know what you believe. Nowhere did I ask what YOU believe. I asked if you agree or disagree with the above statement. I choose an example around religion because I saw the error mostly in debates about religion. But what I am asking you is basically do you agree that "Not believing I am wearing a shirt doesn't mean believing I am not wearing a shirt" I did not mean to offend you. It is just that personal belief is not the topic of the debate. Nor is personal disbelief. As you can see I said the same remark to the guy who doesn't believe in God. The topic of the debate is definition. Nothing personal. Side: Agree
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The only thing you are discounting is yourself, selling your soul cheap in sin for the moment's pleasure you get from what you buy into, sin. You have a debt to pay for it, and you're not getting out in death. Hell is for sinners, and in that fire (assuming you will forever hate God and end up there) you will hate that stupid icon pic and you will hate yourself and you will hate all the stupid things you said here every time they haunt your hard head. Side: Agree
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I know that if your God was considerate enough, there have been various men throughout history who would have already explained the whole thing to him even if he wasn't omniscient. Yet, nothing has happened. You are just a slave to the dogma that your superiors have told you. That's not even worth me playing the Pascal's Wager. Side: Agree
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Pascal's Wager is always a losing bet, and you are indeed playing it. You are wagering that there is nothing to lose in death, and putting up everything you have in your bet. You're playing a loser's game against God, you are losing....you are lost. No way you play the game changes that fact, Pascal's wager is always a losing game. You lose all in death no matter how well you play. God does not pay off on wagers, you do not have the right to claim payment is due on a wager, you cannot earn that right, you never have had that right and never will. Side: Agree
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Do you know what you are trying to say, because I sure don't. I guess you're trying to be nice anyways. I don't take anything personal. People hate the truth and attack me for presenting the truth....they are against the truth, I don't take their garbage personally, they are going against their own lives when they fight against the truth. Side: Disagree
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Believe me, you don't want to get him started on that topic. Though basically this is what he generally keeps repeating in such debates, "Atheist - Death - Hell - Christian - Death - Heaven". But religious belief is a branched spectrum. I could send it to you as a diagram if you prefer. But beware that it might not be complete - I've no reason to believe that my knowledge could make one that covers all possible logical necessities. Side: Agree
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Apparently, I'm terrible at taking pictures, and it is even more obvious when the target is text of some sort (and my diagrams). So I can't really send either the diagram or the chart I made as alternative (the universe seems to conspire against me in taking a legible picture). But I can describe it. On the left are the forms of atheism (secular and antitheism), in middle are the forms of agnosticism (skepticism and deism), and in the right are the forms of theism (monotheism and polytheism, connected by pseudo polytheism, and mysticism). Each branch also contains a dogmatic zone. Side: Agree
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I will do it if I run into a scanner. My hands are too unstable for a photographer. Luckily that's never been an aim. But I'm also not a great sketcher. So it won't look as good as it sounds. (The chart, BTW, is a hierarchy table, rather than the complete spectrum.) Side: Agree
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What annoys me the most is people are always ready To consume anything that is against God. So you can have more reason to rebel. So much interest for a blasphemious art. Had i recomnended something about the bible anything about 'God' you would have proudly refused. You people ain't just worth the life you have. You still alive cos God still wants you to repent.(infact thats what we all live for, to take advantage of christs sacrifice) And you just wasting it on blasphemies. Well, not your fault cos its part of the devil's strategies and your fault cos you made yourself vulnerable by being turned on by these stupid things from the mind of a man~(A sinful man just like you, being used by the devil to increase the population of his army against God through entising people(vulnerable/Weak defenses) like you) Side: Disagree
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See? I've made you slip up to overact on your convictions that no sheep among you should be allowed to stray, else they might go too far away. In the land of reason, equivalent to treason. You might want them back, but any worthy tool you will lack. Because now it will be too late; they won't return without a debate. Those who come shall see, they shouldn't be afraid of me, as from dogmatism they would be free. Without anyone from whom to expect a boon, virtue can be attained rather soon. But for the peasants who'd rather not even see the affairs of their masters, the methods change. They don't have enough value, as they ought to be blind followers of their masters either way. I'd rather talk with the masters directly in that case. In contrast, Christian missionaries targeted anyone they could entice. I'm rather passive right now for even that. If now you think me to be a demon, then later I guess you'd think me to be antichrist. For not yielding like a zombie follower. Side: Agree
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CRAP..........You think you making sense cos you doing some ryhmes....Crap....probably expecting us to Clap Man that ain't no rap.Master of your shit and am just a peasant of ma thing . Well lemme tell you are a king of em ya niggas cos their intellectual level of thinking is 3% and yours is 4%. If i stop being a peasant of ma thing to join your shit i will be the new master cos ma intellectual level is @least 88% .You wanna find me i'll give you the Map am the treasure your shit will ever lack ma middle finger is got a hard on come and suck, like a Bj, imma transform the finger into a Gun and pop it ya mouth like Cj, ma lyrics got no Dj's beat but i know i got you dancing like the next Mj. YOU AIN'T ENOUGH FOR THE PEASANT....DON'T GO BOTHER MA MASTERS.. Side: Disagree
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Yes, I just did 2 rhymes at once. That isn't a rap - more of a poem. That, apparently, even had a meaning, in contrast to your attempt at replicating. Those are secularist idiots who think that even the most hardcore of those blinded among you is virtuous if he can get more secular to religious differences. Just an excuse to keep people from annoying them. I'm not such a coward. I expect to see a time when religion is something reserved only for the weakest, and anyone worth an opinion understands that its use has long been over. Side: Agree
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Non religious people are rather weak in mind and spirit. They try to comprehend they fail. So now you fear to believe. Fear is weakness. Fear to fail...fail what you fear. And now y'all so weak and vulnerable in mind to the devil and in spirit too....The devil tells you what to do and can break your spirit with just a whisper cos you are weak. Its not that you don't believe in religion but you fear religion....you get psychologically totured when you reflect on your sinful deeds and the associated punishments that religion describes. But then its quite the opposite with christianity. Sin and its punishment existed before christianity when there was no hope, which man inherited through the manipulations of God's only enemy and he still torments his victims till now like you, with fear. And because of sinners jesus came . To save us slaves of sin from its fear and punishment. He came to give us hope, we are slaves of sin with no right and before with no hope. And the devil was really whiping untill our new master jesus came to buy us at an expensive price from sin.....The price which is too high for any being beneath the earth, sea, the heaven and in the galaxy or universe to afford, to buy us from jesus again. He has already paid the price to satan our old master. But you weak cowards are still afraid of your old master Satan and do not realise you are free from the chains of slavery And all you have to do declare with your mouth that jesus is your new master, your lord and personal saviour. Jesus is a gentleman. He is not the master who forces you to do something like satan. He has just paid and any time you are willing you can come to him. For God planned to destroy satan and all that he owns, the slaves and his demons and his whole kingdom as the prince of the earth(he asked jesus to bow to him in exchange for his kingdom). So God gave His only begotten son that whosoever believed in him should not perish(as a belonging of the devil(slave asset)) but have everlasting life after this kingdom fades away. If this kingdom(earth) of the old master is about to be destroyed, join the new master so you can have a place in his kingdom(heaven). Plus you will no longer live with this earth kingdom's uniform(body) anymore but also get a body you can live in heaven with. For this Earthly body clearly manifests the characteristics of slavery sickeness, pain, bitterness,suffering, mental torture in your case, fear etc. But then you don't just transform to this new body, you have to die off this body in the grave the normal way of dying like jesus did too but conquered death and now has the power of ressurection to raise you up again on the final day. Side: Disagree
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And that's a subset of brainwashed opinions to classify you as a natural follower to your masters. You just want to follow someone to give your life any purpose - in this case, as fuel to parasites. Thinking that the opponent is afraid of what your masters represent is a good way to be more confident. With arbitrary hopes that have on its base just the benefit of doubt, you believe that they will somehow save you to a blissful eternal life. And then you think that it is me who is afraid. I assure you, if the real God is any worthy, then he shall not punish me. By definition, he should be the worthiest, so I have nothing to be afraid of. Assuming, of course, that there is something immortal to cause our existence. Side: Agree
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If you understood what immortality really means, your opinion about it would not be so ignorant. But your religion actually is based on an immortal part of the body, isn't it? Yes, you aren't sandy enough to battle an ocean. I've made it as exhaustive necessities, but it is all stressful rather than relaxing. I'm afraid that it might make me biased against the religions, but like your God, there is no way to know. I'm no longer the kid who thought that a combination of all religions is the key to understanding God. But as I have sufficient reason to not care about the possibility, that doesn't matter. Just that...this part of the hill isn't as comforting as a religion can be. That's the paradox, though with a different reasoning, much of it can be solved to secularism. Not the kind those idiots try to follow as an excuse to not be annoyed. Extreme, antitheistic secularism. Means that either way, ending organised religion is the best choice. Side: Agree
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But your religion actually is based on an immortal part of the body, isn't it? PLS GET YOUR FACTS ON POINT BEFORE THROWING JABS AT ME . I'm no longer the kid who thought that a combination of all religions is the key to understanding God. YOU WERE A VERY STUPID KID I CAN SEE. Never mind even my pastor's son(17) just recently discovered(he could have grown with this wrong idea) humans are actually greater than angels he believed the opposite.(He is American(always giving the wrong ideas) but currently in Ghana~Africa(my country)) Its normal ◄Proverbs 22:15►King James Version Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. If a child gets an idea and he grows up with it,(like his idea of what colours are in kindergaten, will never escape your mind) thats it.(Rod can come in different forms not necessarily beating up a child) Now i see your problem. Proverbs 22:6“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not departfrom it.” Someone failed to train and probably left you to find your own way in your mind i only pray you at least got morals(you seem to somehow) and conviction(for this i can't tell) HAAHAHAAHAA. AND NOW YOU OFF THE HOOK. I CAN'T SAVE YOU, ONLY JESUS CAN NEVER MENTION YOUR CHILDHOOD HERE AGAIN IF YOU PLAN TO MAKE A NICE REPUTATION HERE. Side: Disagree
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Funny that you had to target only one sentence of it all. And when nothing else specifically follows from it, except the main message. (I see that you did target one more sentence, but there it seems like you're joking.) All religions must fall for humans to progress towards knowledge. Perhaps not all of them, but the percentage is still large enough. Thus, I do understand how wrong I was in thinking that a religion could at all lead to an eternal life. It's all just nonsense that only mindless zombies can follow, because they have to follow something. Side: Agree
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http://www.viralthread.com/ I think you and some atheists should Copy that link. Side: Agree
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Am not particular on christianity but religion as a whole. Discoveries were made on some old evidence Of religious stories atheist call myths. Thor's hammer, coffin of james ;jesus's brother.etc.... These were not made by some religious people but scientists~ achaeologists. Side: Agree
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It's nothing surprising if the norse actually made a hammer. And the other judgements made throughout aren't even that worthy of mention. But how much does it even matter what they have to say? The url says 'viral', and I don't expect much unbiased claims in viral posts. No one worth his salt would see such articles as definitive references. It is a good example of things I don't find worth the time to read. At least the grammar didn't seem erroneous, though. Side: Disagree
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So you're committed to preaching only from Bible? That's a strange thing to do. Anyway, yes, even my claims generalise to most religious beliefs and not just christianity. By corruption, you mean independent thinking? I understand why a convenient little worker would be against that - in order to be convenient to his masters - but I hope you understand that I do not share your herd. Thus, anything your masters might say won't affect me as much as you, and therefore I'm more free to judge the validity of information. Side: Disagree
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http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ THIS IS MY LAST REPLY Side: Agree
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I know that God is God, I believe He is God because I know He is God and you meet Him in Jesus Christ, God in the flesh. Atheism is a deep dark mystery which cannot be fathomed by a person who believes God is God, it's much to intellectual to say "there is no God", so go write a million books about your deep wonder of non-belief and put in many chapters saying people like me don't know what you are talking about. The fool has said in his heart, there is no God? Is atheism hard to understand? It's dumber than a rock. Side: Agree
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The "christian god" is a thing you imagine which is not God. "The christian god" is what you have named the thing you imagine which is not God. Saying "The christian god is not God, therefore God is not God is absurd. Yes I know how you feel about God. You hate Him. Side: Agree
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So you feel God is a created thing, something people invented by imagination. In thinking that way, you are changing the definition of God who is the creator of all things and eternally independent of your imagination or anybody else's imagination. The reason you are trying to demote God from being the creator of all things to being a thing you can imagine and a thing which ceases to exist inside or outside your imagination when you stop thinking about Him is that you are trying to make God non-existent, you are trying to murder Him with your imagination. You do indeed hate God. It's more denial than disbelief. You are making a willful choice to deny God is there, you are trying to make Him be nothing. That is not possible. God cannot be nothing. You can't stop God from being God. The only thing that will be stopped the way you are going in how you feel about God will be you. You will be stopped from doing what you are doing in the presence of the living. You'll have to do it somewhere else. Can you guess where that will be? Side: Agree
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In thinking that way, you are changing the definition of God who is the creator of all things and eternally independent of your imagination or anybody else's imagination. Yes, that is very much what I'm doing. I don't believe God is a thing, I don't believe there is such a ''power'' that exists. And I absolutely believe the creation of God is entirely dependent on people's imagination. you are trying to make God non-existent No, I'm not trying anything. I just don't believe. The difference between religion and atheism is that you practice religion. I'm an agnostic-atheist, and therefore I don't practice religion. I don't think about it, I don't believe, I'm not trying to make it into anything. Complete inaction. It's more denial than disbelief Denial is when you refuse to believe obvious facts. Disbelief is when you don't believe what you're told. I don't believe what you tell me, therefore I am in disbelief. You are making a willful choice to deny God is there No, I make a willful choice to expect more from religion that faith. You can't stop God from being God. I'm not. By all means, please be God. Can you guess where that will be? Hell :) Like I said, I went to sunday school. Side: Disagree
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I think I should have clarified my point a bit more... So, what I trying to point out is complex. Here so, I am wearing gold earrings. Do you believe me? Is the statement true? You know that gold earrings exist because you've seen them. So, in your head you will accept the possibility that I could be wearing gold earrings. The thing though that will make my statement for you a simple belief is the fact that you can't see me. There's just no reasonable basis for you to accept my statement as true. It is however unreasonable to believe that I am wearing gold earrings. Inversely it is as unreasonable to believe that I am not wearing gold earrings. The fact that you don't know should stop you from refusing my statement. not believing that this proposition is true isn't the same as believing the proposition is not true: not affirming that I am wearing a gold earrings doesn't mean refusing that I am wearing a gold earrings. You just don't know if I am wearing earrings. You could believe that is possible. disbelief: you don’t actively believe a proposition, but you don’t deny it either. Atheists do not deny the existence of God. They simply say nothing about it. Side: Agree
Atheists do not deny the existence of God. They simply say nothing about it. Now see, I'd thought that Atheists DO deny the existence of God (at least the one's I've spoken with, both family and friends). I would think that understanding and practice of saying nothing about it fell more under Agnostic. Side: Agree
Good point. You are right. I correct my statement then. Atheists do not necessarily deny the existence of God. So, I guess we can say that agnostics are types of atheists. Since atheism is not believing in one position, it could mean that you accept the other but it could also mean neutrality. Side: Agree
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I would agree with you for the most part except that when you stated, "There's just no reasonable basis for you to accept my statement as true." in reference to your wearing a gold ear ring. The reason we would be justified in believing the claim is because it conforms to how we know things work. We know that gold ear rings are real. Most of us have probably seen them in the past, touched them, and seen other people wearing them. It would also not be uncommon or outside how we know the world to work for you to be wearing gold ear rings. The problem with the God claim is that it lies outside what we have ever observed. We have no practical experience that let's us know god(s) are real. To believe the God claim we need truly exceptional evidence because the claim goes beyond the realm of how we know the cosmos to work. I completely agree with your conclusion however. If someone tells me there is a God I reject the claim due to the lack of evidence. That doesn't mean that I say i know there is no God because the answer to the question is not knowable. Side: Agree
You could know but you don't want to know. You are too proud to bow to God as your King, you are too proud to repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in His bodily resurrection, His victory over death, His Deity.......because you want to go your own way, you love your sin and you want to follow it away from God as far as you can and it's carrying you like the wings of a moth into the flames of Hell and you are enjoying the pleasures along the way as you are flying into the fire. You love your sin more than life and God will let you have it forever but not in Heaven. You'll have to take it with you if you won't believe Jesus took in on Himself when He died for you to save you from Hell. You can know. If you will not believe, you will know Hell is hot. Side: Disagree
Your mind is closed. That's your case. You say you can't know, that only proves that you don't know. I know. I know you can know....but I doubt you will because you don't want to renounce your sins. That is the only reason people will not believe, they love their sins more than life for the momentary pleasures they can get while they are fading in death. Side: Disagree
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I find the proposition a little oddly worded but agree with it in principal. There is a proposition by many that there is a god or many gods. This is a claim that purports to describe the true nature of things. The claim is that a divine being exist. One can reject that claim with out claiming that they know no gods exist. If some one came up to me and said there are divine beings I would reject that claim because there is no sufficient evidence to substantiate that claim. This does not mean that I believe that you can prove there are no gods, just that the claim lacks sufficient evidence to support their existence. Side: Agree
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I disagree. I personally do not believe that ANY gods exist, or ever have. That includes all "gods" with a lower class "g" from religions that have many, like Hinduism, as well as the God with a Capital "G" that believers in Judeo-Christian realms believe in. So....go ahead and Mince words any way you like, as you did in your header. You cannot tell me what I do or do not believe in. Rather, I tell you. Get it? Good. I do not belive that ANY sort of a god exists. Nor do I believe in the God that is bandied about here by our Christians. Period. To me, Yahweh is as credible as Thor or Appollo or Odin or Brahmin or Allah. Which is...not credible at all. But only products of Mythology. Imaginary friends for shit-scared adults! Impacting on my life and as important to is as Big Bird or the Keebler Elves--to coin a phrase from a past debate. Hope I have made myself clear. Thanks! SS Side: Disagree
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Just so you know, Hinduism doesn't really have many gods. That's just how it might seem to an outsider who hasn't understood it. Also, it is about agnosticism, or suspension of belief, which skeptics do on this matter. Skeptics are known for suspending belief on anything until it can be proved beyond any doubt. Side: Agree
WTF are you talking about? Hindu was more gods or deities than you can shake a Ganesha at. Maybe you're the one who doesn't understand it? Side: Disagree
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In Hinduism all deities are subforms of the true 'god force' known as Brahman. In the heirarchy the three demigods Vishnu (The third ever demigod, his speciality is balance in all things), Shiva (The second ever demigod, his speciality is death, destruction, pain so on and so forth) and Brahma (The first/original demigod, the only one who is said to have the power of actual creation from nothingness but whose powers ar emore than just creation including healing, intelligence etc). All other demigods are a subform of one of these three demigods. The subforms of Vishnu and Shiva are both blue but Shiva's subforms tend to be thigns you pray to when you feel angry towards someone or jealous etc, Vishnu's subforms are not always blue, unlike Shiva Vishnu is said to be able to come in and out of his blue form. Vishnu's subforms tend to revolve around helping someone who has lost their way to find it or to right a wrong of some kind. Vishnu is said to be the most intelligent of the demigods while Brahma is said to be the most powerful, Shiva is said to be the most responsive to prayers. Brahma's subforms are generally any and all animal demigods. Brahma likes to play around with his form as he is a very creative soul. Side: Agree
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And i think all that is just bullshit. Just a nice ridiculous story. I believe gods(so called cos they just fallen angels) and God exist though but this is just a truth twisting story invented by Satan to divert people with willing minds to serve God from the truth to a second hand truth(nice story). Ah well, this is not the only one.....the are many others too Side: Disagree
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Ewwww in your pants? They are mere words. Where am i going to see you. Its more like am tryna get into your head(annoying you). And if you are not a woman, i see no reason for you to feel offended and further report me for saying 'that'....on my debate. You really do have an issue(being polite) you should deal with. Side: Agree
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So you can't see the debate before putting your ignorant arguments. Very consistent of you to do that. (As I said, your question being logical at all must have been a fluke.) I recommend you do it. (Not like it would be hard to do for me, but it is just boring to cater to pure ignorance) Side: Disagree
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It must. Though not for you; you're the exception, except if by some mistaken alignment of heavens. But in general, it must. Why, you might ask? I've answered the possible questions, and I don't expect general people to ask what I've answered already. In case they ask something I haven't targeted (some things might still be left out), answering that makes it even more complete. Side: Disagree
It must Really? Who have you convinced? Very dogmatic answer, by the way. It is very difficult to believe you don't like dogmatist. Why, you might ask? I've answered the possible questions, and I don't expect general people to ask what I've answered already. Do you know what the word convince means? case they ask something I haven't targeted (some things might still be left out), answering that makes it even more bulletproof. You refuse to clarify your position every single time. Side: Agree
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Now I got it. Well, your claims are so absurd that they might not naturally follow. Now that I have answered your question again, read my original answer about what is 'many'. By saying earlier that it isn't many, too, I've made it clear what the answer was. Yet, as always, you couldn't understand. Side: Disagree
Now I got it. Finally, I got through to you. Well, your claims are so absurd that they might not naturally follow. Aww, you were just lying. Now that I have answered your question again, read my original answer about what is 'many'. By saying earlier that it isn't many, too, I've made it clear what the answer was. Yet, as always, you couldn't understand. I understand your answer, dipshit. You have s simple answer. Your simple answer goes against the atheist understanding of Hinduism. You know this, you mentioned this. I am trying to get your reasoning because you didn't present any. If you talk to 5 Christians you will get 5 different beliefs about Christianity. You don't give us the reason why you believe what you believe. You never give the reason why you believe what you believe. You only ever give incomplete thoughts that may or may not just be you restating the debate topic. Side: Agree
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So, your question is, why I believe what I do? I'm copying an old answer here, that I recommended you to read (someone else has explained a part of it even more patiently, though). Hinduism is a loose organisation of various groups in history that have accepted different deities. The main belief is now on a central God from which all the others derive. On that, different groups can have different opinions. Also, that deduction thing was meant just for you. No one else would need to actively deduce the meanings. Yet, you managed to make a strange question about it that even I wouldn't have expected. Side: Disagree
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Neither, really. There is a lot of difference from both, formative and functional. But if you really want an analogy, much of its study is comparable to christian theology. Many of the ancient leaders have been philosophers, scientists and mathematicians (probably all, but I can't be sure of that). So, it is as fine as a religion like it can be. I have sufficient reason to say that it wasn't based on administrative purposes, based on its hierarchy in which religious leaders are not rulers - those are entirely different things. So, a few misunderstandings can happen. I describe such religions as pseudo polytheistic. Side: Agree
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Yeah, I should have thought that you couldn't notice the answer by yourself. By myself? If I was supposed to get the answer by myself, that would mean you weren't involved. If you aren't involved that means you just proved that you didn't answer the fucking question. Thanks for proving me right. One. At most (if you know what you are doing), 2. Ok. Thanks. Side: Agree
LOL. Go get 'em, GoCart! Yeah, he contradicted himself way back when he said that all those deities derived from one god. This is admitting, basically, that Hinduism DOES have a plethora of deities, but that they happen to derive, or take a back seat to, their numero uno diety, which if I recall is Brahmin. We are dealing with a person here for whom English is obviously a 2nd language to, thus his written skills are at least three notches (on a scale of 5) below yours and mine. So I am thankful you busted him up and saved me the time. SS Side: Agree
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So you're a proud and brave fool. Do you want a cookie for bravery so maybe you'll have time to enjoy something before you wake up in Hell? The logical reason to believe such a place exists is because you don't want to find out the hard, finding yourself frying like an eternal sausage in the burning garbage pit of Hell. God thinks all the stuff you say against Him is garbage and He has no place for it in Heaven. If you want to take it with you to Hell, God loves you and gives you the freedom to do that. Side: Agree
I don't believe in Hell any more than I believe in a rock. I believe in God, and it's good to know He will one day confine all sin in the containing and consuming fire of Hell where it will not bother or disrupt the living ever again. Hell is the flaming garbage pit for sinners who will not repent and all such will be there when God finally purges evil from His creation. No more fools will be able to get in my face blowing their farts out the wrong end, no more fools will be crying in the presence of the living about how they feel God is not good. Side: Agree
You believe life emerged out of non-living things. You have to be naive to believe that. You want it to be true because you feel it excuses your sins. You want it to be true so badly that you will spend money promoting attempts to cause life to emerge out of non-living things. There are so many life you they actually pool together to extort government funding by power of block vote to waste billions of dollars trying to make life emerge out of non-living things, and trying to support your hypothesis of molecules turning into a living cell which turned into monkeys who resemble your mother. Side: Agree
I don't really care if Gods exist, but I do think they or IT exists because no being known to man has ever been smart enough to design and create itself, leave alone the rest of the Universe. Do I believe in the all-knowing, all-powerful concept of God? Nope, coz that is purely a man-made belief system. We need religion and organized rules, however unfair or illogical, in order to exist and sustain our kind. The very fact that mankind has lived for so long is the belief that something bigger than us is taking care and will protect fairness if we are 'just' as we have defined justice. I believe God is something that created us and went on with its life and probably never gave us another thought. If there is a purpose and I need to answer to God, I'll cross that bridge when I am dead. Side: Agree
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Sinners who don't want to repent of their sin only want to get rid of God. Gods do not matter. There is only one God they feel they have to be free from. His name is God. He is not "a" god, or "a" God, or one of many or a few Gods, He is God who created all things and gave people the freedom to turn away from Him and the imagination to create things they call gods, Gods, or a God. There are many people because God in mercy allowed time for sinners to reproduce. God wanted a people like Himself to populate His kingdom, His Heaven, what some call Paradise in short-sighted comparison. He chose Israel through which to make His name known in the world, through which He entered the human race Himself to be the final sacrifice for our sins justifying Himself in giving time to sinners outside of Hell. You're dead already, dead in your sins, in condemnation on death row, a dead man walking. Only God can give you life and you are rejecting His offer in preference of death so that is all you have. He conquered death by taking your place and paying your price, He conquered death on your behalf and you don't care what He did for you? To say He has done nothing for you and you will answer to Him if you have to after your dying is finalized is not wise. Your going to spend your life being unthankfull toward God and then you expect Him to understand you accusing Him of not caring for you? You're going to trample His blood under your feet and then tell God you didn't have evidence that He did anything for you? He gave His life, His blood to pay for your sins, to cover your sins and you are going to approach God with the mud on your shoes caked from His blood? Don't you see what you are doing, and don't you see God is being merciful to you now and you are pushing the limits of His mercy? Side: Agree
If you disagree it means that you think that not believing that gods exist is believing gods do not exist. I don't think you understood the point. The reason I created this debate because people call themselves atheist but don't even know what it entails... I am pointing out the misunderstanding of the word disbelief. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of ANY god. I ask that you be honest with yourself, do you believe Gods do not exist OR do you simply disbelieve the existence? I insist that there is a difference because one of the statements lead some to say that atheism is a belief when it is not. Side: Agree
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It strictly logical terms, it is true that none belief does not necessitate belief. But colloquially, the statement "I don't believe in God" is functionally the same as "I don't believe in Santa". It means you believe that Santa and God do not exist. The Topic argument would only holds true for people who have never encountered the concept or for people who truly don't have an idea one way or the other. These are the exceptions. Side: Disagree
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But colloquially, the statement "I don't believe in God" is functionally the same as "I don't believe in Santa". It means you believe that Santa and God do not exist. Admittingly it can, but not necessarily. Is it not possible for one to be more so unconvinced by an assertion than to be convinced of it being simply incorrect? Sceptics tend to argue from a position of non-belief regardless of what the assertion the scepticism is being applied to. Sceptics of Big Foot for example find the assertion of Big Foot's existence to be unsubstantiated and unreasonable to be accepted, thus the argument tends to start from a lack of evidence. Same thing with Extraterrestrial sighting sceptics, supernatural sceptics, etc. Granted sceptics come off very certain about something, thus leading to people arguing "Well obviously they believe something...". This is because they are, they are certain that the assertion is plain unreasonable, that accepting said assertion is unreasonable, that it makes too many assumptions about our reality. They are certain that anything other than non-belief is simply unreasonable. This is what makes scepticism counter-intuitive to understand. Sure if a sceptic had to be certain, had to pick a belief, they'd chose the denying one because that makes significantly less assumptions still, but for the most part sceptics come from a place of non-belief, even though it may not seem like it. Side: Agree
I think I covered the skeptic in my post when I said "The Topic argument would only holds true for people who have never encountered the concept or for people who truly don't have an idea one way or the other. These are the exceptions." I think that true skeptics are the exception. Skepticism is an important intellectual tool. People can be truly skeptical about some things, but not all, or even most. As you said "if a sceptic had to be certain, had to pick a belief, they'd chose the denying one". Side: Disagree
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Yes, but the sceptic is less convinced of a god's existence then they are convinced a god doesn't exist, hence why they tend to argue for the lack of evidence for god's existence, hence when a god sceptic, or the typical atheist says "I don't believe that gods exist" it really is inequivalent to "I believe god's don't exist". As you said "if a sceptic had to be certain, had to pick a belief, they'd chose the denying one". Yes, but the key word here is If, it's impossible to be entirely uncertain either way, since belief is a compulsion, we can't stop ourself from thinking even for nanosecond "God probably does exist" or "God probably doesn't exist". However ultimately the biggest problem most atheist have with the god claim is that it isn't substantiated, that there is no good reason to believe it, and are thus coming from a place of true, literal non-belief more than anything else. So when an atheist does say "I don't believe god exists" they really do mean it differently then saying "I believe god doesn't exist". It might seem like a minor difference, but it's an important one to understand where atheists are truly coming from, typically. That the "You can't prove one way or the other" is a pretty moot point to the actual stance we are actually taking. Side: Agree
The difference in our approach is that you are ascribing certainty to belief. Belief is considered different from knowledge for a reason. There is no good reason to believe there are ninja martians on the dark side of the moon. That's why I believe there aren't. I don't know that for sure, which is how I apply the skeptical tool, but I don't believe so. This is the same structure as the skepticism for God. Most skeptics won't say that they know that God doesn't exist. But truly, they believe God doesn't exist. Many religious people will incorrectly say that they "know" God exist (in the way they choose) when what they mean is the believe. This is why I said that the literally meaning of "I don't believe in God" could only be applied to those who truly have no idea about the matter or those who have never heard of the concept. Side: Disagree
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The difference in our approach is that you are ascribing certainty to belief. Belief is considered different from knowledge for a reason. Yes, and Yes. I agree on both accounts. To me, belief means certainty in any idea or assertion, whereas knowledge is justified, true belief; or logical, belief in (what happens to be) truth(s). Both contain certainty. When one claims belief, they typically mean that they think so and so is true, they typically claim certainty. If one was to host a poll asking if belief contains certainty, most would say yes, so claiming any belief, and expecting one to not think you are claiming certainty is a bit naïve. There is no good reason to believe there are ninja martians on the dark side of the moon. That's why I believe there aren't. You believe there aren't ninja martians on the dark side of the moon, because it makes less assumptions about our reality then believing the opposite. However you believe one way or the other because belief is a compulsion, and it is impossible to lack belief one way or the other entirely. Still, I'm also willing to bet that your biggest issue with the assertion of ninja martians on the dark side of the moon has more to do with there being no good reasoning to think that then something positively convincing you that there isn't. I don't know that for sure, which is how I apply the skeptical tool, but I don't believe so. Exactly, you have no good reason to believe so in the first place, and when you analyze your opposition to the hypothetical assertion more closely does that become apparent. This is the same structure as the skepticism for God. Most skeptics won't say that they know that God doesn't exist. But truly, they believe God doesn't exist. Probably so, subconsciously because lacking certainty entirely again is impossible, but our belief in the assertion not being believe-able is typically much stronger then the belief in the opposite assertion. Many religious people will incorrectly say that they "know" God exist (in the way they choose) when what they mean is the believe. no, they mean "know" because they most likely do think they are operating off quality reasoning, and obviously they have to think that god's existence is a statement of truth, so when they say that they know, they do mean know... they do think they possess knowledge. Do I think they possess knowledge? no. However they mean exactly what they say for the most part. This is why I said that the literally meaning of "I don't believe in God" could only be applied to those who truly have no idea about the matter or those who have never heard of the concept. Not true... in order to believe X isn't the case, they still have to lack belief in X being the case in the first place. So even legit gnostic atheists who do claim certainty in a god's non-existence, technically still lack belief in a god's existence. The amount of certainty they have in god existing is exactly 0. The amount of certainty they have in god not existing is significantly higher than 0, probably 51 or higher. Side: Agree
The statement "I don't believe in God" is not the same as "I don't believe in Santa" unless you change the definition of God being the Creator of all things into a created thing like Santa. The functionality of your line of reasoning is a straw man argument, presenting a thing which is not God and saying it is equal to God and therefore God cannot be God. You are arguing against your own created absurdity and saying it's not God.......duh.......how long did it take you to figure out that things created in your imagination are not God? The only thing consistent in your "I don't believe......." statements is that you don't believe which is your choice. Really it's just you believing in yourself, your own mind being your own imaginary god. Side: Agree
That's what I figured, and it's nonsense. Pseudo-intellectual nonsense, intended to impress fools like yourself.....and the way it reads, it's practically incomprehensible anyways, colloquially speaking of course. Changing God to a created thing comparable to a created thing like Santa, and then saying it cannot be God because there is no God is creating your own absurdity and then saying it's not God. It's colloquial confusion, gibberish, nonsense. God is not a thing you can imagine. God by definition exists independently of your imagination. Anything you refer to as God which you hold as imagined is nothing but the space between your ears. Of course God cannot be confined to the space between your ears, that space compares not to God but rather to a rock.....a ten pound rock. Side: Agree
When I said my post was not meant for you, I meant that I don't direct real arguments at you since you can't understand what you read anyway. I'll try to break it down Barney style for you and see if it works. I started by saying "In strictly logical terms, it is true that non-belief does not necessitate belief". What I mean here is that when a person says "I don't believe in God", they are not literally saying "I believe God does not exist". That's not what they are saying. Follow? However, when a person says "I don't believe in God" they typically mean it in the same way they mean "I don't believe in Santa". They typically mean that they believe Santa does not exist. Similarly they also typically mean that God does not exist when they say "I don't believe in God". As for the rest of your bullshit, you are well known for making things up about God. Not from your own imagination, I don't think you have one. But from the ugliest imaginations you have stumbled across. Side: Agree
Keep claiming that you have authority to call the end to the story and you are going to end up in Hell with no end. You're not God, you can't make God non-existent and you can't keep yourself out of Hell. You need a Savior or you won't be saved. God is the Savior, Jesus is God the Savior and you can be saved, but you won't, will you, Hermit? (now watch the hermit fly off into a hot fire of profanity spitting dirt in his hatred of God) Side: Agree
Yes I will keep claiming I have the authority as I have , there are no gods , so I am indeed not one the same way I'm not a genie , goblin or ghost :) I don't have to make a nonexistent fiction existent you really are a special kind of stupid aren't you ? What a fucked up fairy tale you believe in ..... Imagine being as head fucked as poor you who believes in an all forgiving god who tortures his creations for not believing in him because he's to shy to show himself , what does he do then ..... fries people in hell because he is sulking like a big child .... By the way most Christians throughout the world do not believe in hell fire ( apparently it's done away with ) no one seems to have told the American fundies because America breeds a special kind of religious nut job that even fellow Christians worldwide cross the road when they see one ..... Side: Disagree
You will not believe you have no right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire, and even then you probably will never concede that it's due justice against your sin. That is the only way you will believe Hell is real, that is the only way you will get the proof you say is not there. I hope you prove me wrong and repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, the One who gave Himself as the ransom payment for our sin to buy us back from Hell, God the Creator who became our Savior and conquered death for all who will put their trust in Him.....but you will probably prove me right. That's sad, another proud and brave fool. Side: Agree
Are you flying off in another explosive hissy fit, hermit? Why do you get so mad at the idea of burning in Hell forever if you are so sure their is no Hell? What is your problem? Are you afraid to admit you deserve to die as a sinner and have no right as a sinner to live, or to exist outside of the fire of Hell? Hey, are you like a typical drunken fighting Irishman? Side: Agree
Well? does the shoe fit? You boast of how nasty your country would be to me, so you stigmatize yourself since you talk proud of the nation known for being a bunch of brawling drunks. And you sure act like you want to brawl all the time...so I think it's fair to say their's a pretty good chance that you are a typical drunken fighting gnome. Side: Agree
Hilarious stuff ; no I don't boast of how nasty my country would be to you instead I tell you what we do with mentally unstable people ( that's you ) so as to protect our citizens . Says a lot about my nation of brawling drunks that we are involved in every single important aspect of American society from politics , the military and big business , you see we are a nation of doers and we show a loud mouthed , religious , grossly obese nation how to run a country correctly :) Side: Agree
God did not create the devil and the devil's angels which are demons. God created Lucifer and he was a holy angel, all of the angels were holy, sinless, good. Lucifer rebelled and convinced a number, apparently 1/3 of all the angels, to follow him in rebellion against God. Again, what do you care? You just want to be a little devil yourself insisting God does not have the right to tell you what to do. Side: Agree
Ok smarty pants....pretend here that you are Lucifer. You sure are using his reasoning trying to frame God as not being good; so let's pretend that you are Lucifer and I will talk to you as if I'm arguing with the devil. Why did God give you the capacity to be stupid and/or evil? It's called freedom. God gives you freedom to make your own choice to be evil or stupid. if God wanted you to be a robot or a gorilla with no capacity to be anything other than what it is, He would not have given you the choice to do and say stupid thing or to commit acts of treason against Him. God loves you, He gives you the choice of loving Him or going against Him. God will not force you to love Him. It is not clear exactly when Hell was created, it may have been created before the angels" (in anticipation of this eventuality), it may have been created after Lucifer rebelled, it may have been created after the angels and before some of them followed Lucifer in rebellion. I think the best explanation logically is that Hell was created before Lucifer rebelled. It may or may not have been known by the angels before Lucifer rebelled but they sure know about it now. Again, what do you care? You think you have the right to exist outside of Hell due to the fact that you are not responsible for creating yourself, so why should you care about Hell? Why do you keep asking about it? Have you never heard that if you really love something, set it free. If it returns to you, it is yours. If it does not return it was never yours. God loves you, you are free to choose to go away from Him forever. Try to use your noggin and get that devil to quit running squirrels around in your brain for a few minutes. Side: Agree
All freedom is limited. For example, I do not have the capacity to see infrared light. I don't have the freedom to breath underwater. It's just not possible. Yet evil is. Why is the freedom to be evil necessary to love God? It isn't. Infrared vision isn't necessary to love God. The capacity to breath underwater isn't necessary to love God. The capacity to be evil isn't necessary to love God. Yet evil exists. A quadriplegic is significantly less free than other people. Does this correlate to less ability to love God? Of course not. You don't need to be capable of beating your wife in order to properly not beat your wife. You don't need to be capable of evil in order to properly love God. Here's a non-rhetorical question. Is Jesus capable of evil? Side: Agree
God's freedom is not limited. Yours is limited by time. You don't want God's freedom, you want to be free to do whatever in the name of Hell you feel like doing...so in the name of Hell you carry on until you get there in chains of your own sin which you cannot shake off; if that's the way you want to go out. You are free to go your own way, God gives you that freedom though He has no pleasure in your choice. Side: Agree
My freedom is limited by a lot more than time. All of physics limits what I can do in innumerable ways. Of all the things I cannot do, I can not avoid the one thing that will get me into the worst place you can imagine (and imagine often) Here's another non-rhetorical question. Why would God create hell for bad souls rather than just delete them? Side: Agree
To love or not to love somebody is a choice. God made you like Himself with the ability to choose your actions even knowing you would choose to go against Him. He wants you to agree with Him and stop going against Him so that He can forgive you. If you won't stop going against Him, He will always be against you and you won't be able to stand it. The freedom to do evil is part of being a person with reasoning, imagining, and communicating powers like God. He made you to enjoy life, His life given to you and you to be like Him in perfect eternal freedom in His Kingdom. He did not make you so that He would have somebody to argue with. He made you because He wants you to have life and all things good pertaining to life because He is good. You have the freedom to say "sorry" for your evil. God wants you to admit your guilt, agree with His right to execute punishment as He sees fit, believe He Himself became the sacrifice who paid your price so that by receiving Him as your Savior in His resurrection you can be absolved totally, pardoned from the penalty you deserve. Most of what you are saying does not make sense. I think my dog loves me, but I really don't know because it's just being a dog and doing what dogs do. It knows where it's food and water comes from and it's happy to wait for my provision. My dog cannot do evil as it is only doing what dogs do no matter what it does. God made man to be like Himself because He wanted more than a world of dogs to enjoy.....and He knew when He created beings with powers of reason like His own that some of them would rebel, He knew what He would have to do in order to justify exiling those rebels and deny them of enjoying the good things they sought to take by force. Here's a non-rhetorical answer: Do you see God as being evil, and what do you expect to see when you are turned against and away from God and will not face Him honestly needing His mercy? Side: Agree
Fortunately I know that when you say that god wants me to agree with him, you actually mean you want me to agree with you. Unfortunately for you, you've no ears to hear or eyes to see the truth. You only know how to regurgitate the devils lies. Also, your non-rhetorical answer wasn't an answer and wasn't non-rhetorical. It was a rhetorical question. Side: Disagree
And as for devils logic, try the following: Look inside yourself. See how rotten you are? Everyone is just as rotten as you. Make sure to tell everyone how rotten they are. Wanna get out of it? Here's what you do; animal sacrifice is for amateurs. You need to torture and murder a man, pretend that this murder washes away your rottenness, and then proceed to worship the man you killed. There's some devils reasoning for you. Side: Agree
That's a dumb devil's reasoning. It is not possible for the blood of a man to pay for anybody's sin except his own. Even people who practice animal or human sacrifice know they have to keep doing it over and over and over because it is not possible to ever be enough. The devil knows this, and I think that is why you want to deny the deity of Christ. The only justification for keeping sinners outside of Hell is that God sacrificed Himself and paid their price so He is justified to keep them outside of Hell. Are you justified to live when you reject what God did for you to keep you outside of Hell? Are you justified to exist outside of Hell? Are you paying for your sin? Side: Agree
You were on the attack from the start with your stupid questions and in honest concern for your state of being I did my best to get the truth of reality across to you. What you say is me attacking is nothing more than me being truthful in telling you that I invested my time and look forward to a reward in Heaven and you have apparently wasted your time and your reward is not what you want. I honestly feel sorry for you and have no apology for anything I have said to you. You take it all the wrong way because you are trying to paint God as being evil. It's you who is evil, and God is the one you have to answer to, you don't have to answer to me and I sure don't have to answer or explain myself to you. Forgive me for bothering you, I suggest you quit reading my posts. Ok, let me reword that: Forgive me or hate me for bothering you. It makes no difference to me. Be apathetic toward me, be hateful, be forgiving, whatever......you can't get yourself out of dying, you can't get yourself out of the penalty attached to sin which is eternity frying like a sausage in the lake of fire. Don't kid yourself, I'm not apologizing to you. I simply had enough of hanging around with you while you waste your time. Side: Agree
Why would I apologize to you? Never have, never will. You're an unrepentant sinner on your way to Hell and based on your own words, I have to believe you will be there soon, frying like an eternal sausage. Am I supposed to apologize to you? You're nutso if you think I owe you any apology. Side: Agree
You would have to be insane to think that even though God is perfect, he created nothing but screw-ups. That God loves this mass of sin so much that he had Jesus killed simply to (somehow) insure that God could hang out with all the sinners in heaven for eternity. And to believe that God being good, could not just forgive sin, but needs a human/God sacrifice. You're kind of an evil shit. Side: Disagree
And here are your to compare NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point If what I say is so pointless and meaningless, why do you feel it's worth your time to try to smear your farts all over it you foul mouthed fart faced faggot? You see, I just proved you a liar as you spend your time fighting against the message I bring. If it's worth your time to fight against it, you prove by your own actions that the list of simple facts here is neither pointless nor meaningless. Yes you can go on the way you are going on forever. You probably will go on forever the way you are going in the fire of Hell paying your dues as an eternal sausage. 55mins ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point And by the way, if your brother thinks being a good person earns him the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, he'll never be good enough to earn that right and the proof of that simple fact is the fact that he is dying and can't be good enough for eternal life. He's on his way to Hell if he thinks trying to be good will earn him a "don't go to Hell" card. 57mins ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Non-human living things are not made in God's likeness with capacity to reason as God does. Why do you obsess about denying God can and will save you if you will a) come into agreement with Him regarding your predicament of having sinned against Him deserving to be forever exiled from any benefit of His goodness, b) believe He died for you and paid for your sins to ransom you back from what sin has sold you into which is death, and c) Call on God the Father, ask Him in the name of the Son who died for you to forgive you of all your sin and invite His Son into your heart to give you a new heart and save you from Hell. Why do you want to be so hard hearted? Why do you feel the things I'm saying are scary? None of it scares me. I know many people who are not afraid of anything I say. Why do you feel it's scary? 58mins ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point hahahaha........idiot. God mocks atheists and I find you funny...a tragic comedy, sad but funny...and what's really funny is I think you are serious and may even think you are seriously funny yourself. 1hr ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point hahahaha........idiot. God mocks atheists and I find you funny...a tragic comedy, sad but funny...and what's really funny is I think you are serious and may even think you are seriously funny yourself. 1hr ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Hi Fartman. How are you today. What's new ? 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point Yep. Who can deny it and live ?? 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Your stuff is so stupid I don't even have to read it to respond. I hit the buttons of your points without reading your posts, and the proof is the way you respond. You're a fool being jerked around by your own sin. 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Did you know that God mocks atheists? And do you know why? It's because they are a tragic comedy. You're a sad joke in your hatred of God you old fool. 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Hey Dermit the Hermit, when did your farts first start coming out the wrong end of your body so your face is blowing explosive words like a Howitzer causing your face to look like Darwin's gorilla cousin? . 2hrs agoHi Fartman. How are you today. What's new ? . NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point You will not believe you have no right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire, and even then you probably will never concede that it's due justice against your sin. That is the only way you will believe Hell is real, that is the only way you will get the proof you say is not there. I hope you prove me wrong and repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, the One who gave Himself as the ransom payment for our sin to buy us back from Hell, God the Creator who became our Savior and conquered death for all who will put their trust in Him.....but you will probably prove me right. That's sad, another proud and brave fool. 3hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point There are two kinds of violence, one is evil and the other is judgement against evil. Judgement against evil is good. God had specific reasons explained in the Bible for ever time He commanded violent judgement be executed. And the stuff Slappy is taking out of context in his ignorance copy and pasted from some stupid militant atheist website is Old Testament under Jewish Law for the Jews. When the Jews fell captive to other nations they were to obey the laws of those nations as long as they were not laws demanding worshiping gods that are not God. Why in the world do people make these stupid arguments like this militant atheist garbage taken out of context from the Bible, and put them up like they know what they are talking about? This is what the public schools have done, made a bunch of robots who don't know how to think for themselves, teaching them to scream louder so they won't hear anybody telling them how duped they are. 12hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point There are two kinds of violence, one is evil and the other is judgement against evil. Judgement against evil is good. God had specific reasons explained in the Bible for ever time He commanded violent judgement be executed. And the stuff Slappy is taking out of context in his ignorance copy and pasted from some stupid militant atheist website is Old Testament under Jewish Law for the Jews. When the Jews fell captive to other nations they were to obey the laws of those nations as long as they were not laws demanding worshiping gods that are not God. As for the Crusades, they were carried out by Catholics who killed real Bible believing Christians like me and they fought against Muslims who were trying to conquer Europe and it's a good thing they stopped them. Now they're infiltrating as immigrants and refugees, establishing exclusive areas where militant Islam will fester and grow. Brexit was largely in response to the idiocy of countries allowing Muslims to bring their evil ways to the west. It was only 7 percent of Germans who stirred up the Nazis for war, and Muslims operate the same way growing apparently peacefully in number with a small percentage rising to power and making the rules. And Hitler was deep into the occult. It's silly to try to compare Christians to Muslims based on Old Testament Law of Israel or based on the Crusades. And if you think Hitler was a Christian, you're nuts. Yes he was in bed with Catholics as Catholics hoped to be the world religion under Hitler's regime. Catholicism is paganism laced with Biblical names and changes the definitions of words from the Bible to fit it's dogma. Why in the world do people make these stupid arguments and put them up like they know what they are talking about? This is what the public schools have done, made a bunch of robots who don't know how to think for themselves, teaching them to scream louder so they won't hear anybody telling them how duped they are. 12hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point This kind of stuff only shows your ignorance of the Bible. 12hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Muslims do not assemble peacefully, they assemble to talk about killing Jews, death to America, the great Satan and the Little Satan in Muslim's twisted brains, and killing Christians. Moderate Muslims do not make the rules for Islam. Islam is nothing but murder the Jews and Christians (and atheists and sodomites of course) and conquer the world by any means. They are pushing for a world wide blood bath as they believe it is needed to usher in their Moozie Messiah and they are going to get that world wide blood bath soon...hopefully after the Lord takes me out of this world. You can have this world...as long as you can keep it. 13hrs ago NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point I think you should become a Muslim. They kill atheists the same as sodomites, so by saying "God's Name is Mamma and Mohammed's Momma is His prophet, you can keep your head on your shoulders and live under a government which encourages you to kill Christians. Sure, you'll have to kill Jews too, but you have to hate them too since Jesus was a Jew and the Bible said all the families of the earth would be blessed through the Jew. Just tell them you still believe in science but you now believe Mohammed is the Poopet of Allah and you can keep on having your sinful fun. 13hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Those Jews do not know who is their Messiah, they still reject Him and they are teaching an ungodly religion. You should be skeptical of stuff like what that kid is teaching.....and more than skeptical, you should be against it....but you are saying it's ok because he puts in a few Bible verses and refers to the two witnesses of Revelation. God did not give that kid wisdom. If God gave the kid wisdom he would know Jesus is the Messiah. The vision that kid got is from demons. It's a deception promoting a false religion. 13hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point I don't believe in Hell any more than I believe in a rock. I believe in God, and it's good to know He will one day confine all sin in the containing and consuming fire of Hell where it will not bother or disrupt the living ever again. Hell is the flaming garbage pit for sinners who will not repent and all such will be there when God finally purges evil from His creation. No more fools will be able to get in my face blowing their farts out the wrong end, no more fools will be crying in the presence of the living about how they feel God is not good. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point You believe life emerged out of non-living things. You have to be naive to believe that. You want it to be true because you feel it excuses your sins. You want it to be true so badly that you will spend money promoting attempts to cause life to emerge out of non-living things. There are so many life you they actually pool together to extort government funding by power of block vote to waste billions of dollars trying to make life emerge out of non-living things, and trying to support your hypothesis of molecules turning into a living cell which turned into monkeys who resemble your mother. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point The Bible tells what is going to happen, we don't need a Jewish kid who denies that Jesus is the Savior and teaches a religion of good works which God hates. The vision that kid had was given to him from demons to deceive people. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point Keep claiming that you have authority to call the end to the story and you are going to end up in Hell with no end. You're not God, you can't make God non-existent and you can't keep yourself out of Hell. You need a Savior or you won't be saved. God is the Savior, Jesus is God the Savior and you can be saved, but you won't, will you, Hermit? (now watch the hermit fly off into a hot fire of profanity spitting dirt in his hatred of God) 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point Your mind is closed. That's your case. You say you can't know, that only proves that you don't know. I know. I know you can know....but I doubt you will because you don't want to renounce your sins. That is the only reason people will not believe, they love their sins more than life for the momentary pleasures they can get while they are fading in death. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point You could know but you don't want to know. You are too proud to bow to God as your King, you are too proud to repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in His bodily resurrection, His victory over death, His Deity.......because you want to go your own way, you love your sin and you want to follow it away from God as far as you can and it's carrying you like the wings of a moth into the flames of Hell and you are enjoying the pleasures along the way as you are flying into the fire. You love your sin more than life and God will let you have it forever but not in Heaven. You'll have to take it with you if you won't believe Jesus took in on Himself when He died for you to save you from Hell. You can know. If you will not believe, you will know Hell is hot. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point So you're a proud and brave fool. Do you want a cookie for bravery so maybe you'll have time to enjoy something before you wake up in Hell? The logical reason to believe such a place exists is because you don't want to find out the hard, finding yourself frying like an eternal sausage in the burning garbage pit of Hell. God thinks all the stuff you say against Him is garbage and He has no place for it in Heaven. If you want to take it with you to Hell, God loves you and gives you the freedom to do that. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point The kid is preaching that the way to be saved is to read the Torah and be nice. That is a self-justifying religion of good works and God hates it. The kid says it repeatedly. So some demons told him about the two witnesses of Revelation. Big deal. That does not make the message good, it does not validate the message. You don't mix doctrines of demons with Bible truth and claim it's from God. You're so far out there it's pathetic. This is what the charismatic movement is all about.....doctrines of demons mixed with scripture to make Christians look like idiots so the gospel has less appeal to sinners. 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point You should be in jail with all the BLM mindless idiots . 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Black Lives Matter is nothing but a mod inciting violence, using threat of force, threat of rioting, threat of looting, threats against police, ...demanding handouts. Anybody affiliated with them should be shipped to Africa with a one way ticket and lose their US citizenship rights. And all those idiot kids rioting and shutting down freeways because they are cry babies who can't handle that they lost the election should be put in jail......one big concentration camp for a couple years, ship them out in vans to do hard labor fixing the infrastructure they want to tear down in their cry baby fits. 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point I don't know .......usually it's an accidental repeat of a previous post . 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to D Side: Agree
tired of hearing you defend this Jewish kid like he's a prophet of God when he repeatedly says the way to be saved is to read the Torah and do nice things.....and all those Jews in the audience are eating it up. It's evil. It's not the message for the Jews in the tribulation or today. The message for the Jews is that Christ died for their sins, He is God the Son bodily risen from the dead offering forgiveness of their sins if THEY BELIEVE ON HIM to be saved from frying like eternal sausages in Hell. The message that kid delivered from his dream/vision/experience is a message from Hell framed to feed the Jews to keep them in the dark, to keep them thinking they can save themselves by their own efforts, to keep them thinking God owes them something for being nice and reading their Torah's. That kind of religion is evil, it's not even taught in the Torah yet you hold this kid up as messenger of God. You've lost my interest because you won't give up on this...and I won't stop saying the source of that kids visions or whatever is evil, demonic, doctrines of demons from Hell. Bible believing born again Christians are not supposed to give that stuff a pass, it's supposed to be rebuked for what it is; it is evil. It's because of your insistence on promoting stuff like this that I have to wonder what gets into you. Side: Agree
The deep things of God is to know the depths of His love which passes understanding. You're so obsessed with finding potato chips with 666 signs in them you don't know what the Bible says: Let me help you understand that the love of God is deep, and it is what Paul prayed for us to know. There is nothing in the Bible that says we are to go hunting for signs and try to interpret everything as some kind of prophetic sign. The focus is always supposed to be on Jesus Christ who proved God's love for us.... Ephesians 3: 14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Side: Agree
You talk about these "prophetic" insights like the deep things of God. They are not the deep things of God, they are your hobby horse. Paul's prayer was for God's people to know the depth, the breadth, and the height of His love which passes understanding, not to know the details of interpretations of signs which depend on your understanding and interpretation. That stuff is not deep, and a lot of it is demonic in origin. You might as well write your own Bible. Side: Agree
It's hilarious that you describe yourself as a Christian and even more so the half wit fellow Christian you're arguing with ; bet you wouldn't show any of your exchanges to your local church or preacher and that's either of you , what has made you so angry and hate filled ? Side: Agree
Dispute and disagreement sharpen. Even Peter and Paul discussed circumcision of gentiles in disagreement. And there is a whole chapter in Corintians on how to handle disagreements among us. And says we dont disagree like the world we have order in disagreement. But you being Biblically and spiritually illiterate you dispute as one whos father is the devil. We dispute not in seething hate, slithering deceptively laying traps with our words, and trying to draw each other into sinful bitterness in the heart. A tree by its fruit you can see, and your fruit is foul and rotting! Thats why I say, Id never want to be like you. Because being like you is truely without exageration or metaphor, ugly! . Side: Disagree
Is your foolish heart darkened? Has an unreasoning mind been given to you? Are you on track for being marked with a mark that will mark your grave among the wicked, whose memory is erased in a common unnamed grave, with one name fits all, the name, "a fool?" I will talk to minds that can reason, and can logically conclude in sensibility. The Bible doesn't just merely call someone a fool for saying in their heart "there is no God." The Bible declares them a fool for saying in their heart there is no God! Calling them "a fool" is an opinion, name calling is just an opinion of who someone is. Decalaring their name is "a fool." A name tells who you are, and gives a name to the life's story. And this fool's life is summed up and common name "a fool" That's why people in the church shouldn't say "thou fool" to fellow believers. Believers are not fools, and not damned, as in contrast the fool is damned. "Thou Fool" is a declaration of judgement. It's a harsh judgement, reserved only for those who are damned, those who God has named fool! Psalm 14 The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. 2 The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. 3 They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one. .......... The absolute hands down kicker, is how illogical and top notch dumb atheism is! I mean to the point where I'm like idiot alert flabbergasted, It's absolute shocking how avancements of intellectuals could be so mindless and thoughtless, and narrowed with such small thoughts. I know absolutely that God is confirmed; because most atheist are a miracle right before my eyes. Several prophesies, several not just some prophesies that you who "say in your hearts there is no God," God names you - "a fool!" Everyone gets a name. The people who are temples of the Holy Spirit will have their new name, which is given by God, written in the Lamb's Book of Life and on a stone in the kingdom of God.. But all you, who are even blinder than the Jews at their visitation, He names you all as well. He says one name fits all, and names you "a fool." The Atheist's Judgement from the hand that could save them, instead receives a “fools” inheritance! Atheists are programmed robots, controlled in their minds by entities that are at home and do not raise concerns, no matter how ridiculous he makes them look! There is no use of logical, reasoning, or understanding of any measure regarding what may in all reality be the most important decision of their lives! Hope their better reasoning in your life skills, because their selective approach from just one small direction shows they are all sealed and marked, and that mark will become permanent like Cain, as their foreheads are squeezed so tight and narrow that their minds are twisted and pinched, they can't even identify evidence that screams reasonable evidence regarding the God of all eternity. The inheritance of the wicked lasts forever by ignoring reasonable and logical evidence in proof of God. They are class clowns with duncecaps! Hopefully they can reason at least something like mechanical, because reasoning and logic in matters of human beings and their responses to matters of life, they can't even do the simplest of reasoning. They have a disability, with severe symptoms of illogical reasoning in percieving the world in context, in history, in prophesies, in common sense, in basic ability of logical reasoning in relationship to, inference of, and connection of word to prophesies, history, sciences, and artifacts as shown in "Patterns of Evidence - Exodus." A disability in understanding to seek more information than what atheism allows for them to think about. Connecting relationships in scriptures that build on one another, or that explain other scriptures. No reasoning skills applied in context or to make inferences, and realize when there is enough reasonable weight to take a step back and investigate. But some of you have already been marked, some of you havn't but are close to it. As in Revelations, you raise your fist and blame Him for the game. You all do that as your main defence. As it was prophesied in Revelations you all have tour fist raised to a God you say you don't believe in. It's like your rock hard boneheads! "Thou Fool" is a declaration of judgement. It's a harsh judgement, reserved only for those who are damned, those who God has named fool! Psalm 14 1 The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. 2 The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. 3 They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one. . Side: Disagree
God even calls you stupid! There is no god Listen or dont listen. You are not able to escape His judgment if you dont. Thats your choice! That makes no sense dimwit Move on go the way of fools. It a popular highway. There is nothing in your argument and even less in your reasoning. Move on! Next! I bet your whole family are blocking the fools highway with your Pa playing the jug .....:) Side: Agree
Truth is truth. Truth can show you something you need to know even if truth "feels" unpleasant. You are welcome to choose this day to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves, to turn from foolishness and let Him give you wisdom. Or you can choose pride which goes before fall, and the lot of the wicked in an unmarked grave name "a fool" I would rejoice if you chose life over death. And me showing you the difference is like screaming fire in a burning building for any to escape and be saved. Wheras you are setting fires hoping any in the building burn with the building. The diff between good fruit and bad fruit. Is tree of death or tree of life. Matt 3 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” . Woman in the sky Constellation line up appearing 1st time in almost 6000 year (1st time when Adam and Eve were on earth) Side: Disagree
Why dont you move on? Is there something here that interests you? I was like you in some ways. I was secretly interested 30 years ago cleaning tables that were already clean so I could over hear even if I were confrontational outwarfly, inwardly I was drawn. If you keep hanging in this conversation, I can only think since this conversation is really over now, so I can only assume your interest in the truth, may really be an interest beyond your understanding.
If not then move on! . Side: Disagree
So you deflect and pronounce the hate from your mouth into the motives of others. But yor oozing bitterness, and Im speaking truth in hope and love and concern even for the rotton fruit as seen un your posts. You are currently a rotton tree, He will throw into the fire! . Matt 3 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” . Woman in the sky Constellation line up appearing 1st time in almost 6000 year (1st time when Adam and Eve were on earth) Side: Disagree
You judged me saying I am obsessed w end times and made comments of doctrines of demons, which you are clueless what they even are! God can give you revelation in a minute more than I ever had. So I wouldnt say Id never follow you as a mature grounded brother, but I would say your understanding today, I wouldnt follow you beyond the Salvation prayer! Side: Agree
And some of those bombs were your arguments. I barely see doctrine at all in them, its all about Hell and I dont see Jesus in many of them. And I dont see instructions, or teaching, or anything. Wheras mine are full of apologetics, explanations, and in everyone Im showing and explaining Jesus and the cross and the why and what He did and the hope of His Kingdom comming and the Resurection. End times is the Gospel, Paul and those guys the early church were discussing these things. And discussing what it is going to be like. And instructions through it. You act like they sat down authored a book and sent it to the publisher. The letters and acts were their conversations! So why dont we want to have their conversations? . Side: Agree
He's one of the nastiest I have encountered. It must have been around a year ago, I was going back and forth with him in my typical Hell fire and brimstone against sin way and the guy got so angry you could feel it burning. I really thought he was going to blow a gasket. From that last post he made, he was gone for around a year. I was afraid I had been too rough with him and he got so mad he had a heart attack. The guy's on his way to Hell, he's lucky God gave Him more time to come back here and act stupid. Side: Agree
God is dealing differently with Israel. The veil over the nation has a purpose. They will be surprised when Messiah is revealed, because they knew Him for 2000 years. So imagine the shock of all of a sudden as a nation seeing Isaiah 53 for what it says. Thats going to happen, and that kid is a forerunner for that. Just like John the Baptist. He may even have brought the spirit of Elijah to make ready the 2nd coming. The Jews that stand are the ones looking for Messiah. The others will perish, unless they repent in time. The ones that are not Orthadox or at least honor Him in their actions showing a heart in which God matters, the ones who dont even think about God, these will perish. This kid I think is supposed to wake those Jews up who are on the fringe. Those who love their faith, they are just caught up i life. He is supposed to alert those by his testimony. He may have a role in it all as well. God is God. He makes vesseks of honor and vessels of dishonor. Just like prerapture is our time call to the sheep who have strayed into things of the world. Like BLM, violence bitterness unforgiveness, they have a choice, repent or go to be purged through the great tribulation. And thats a multitude more than can count. So thats how many will be left behind, to go through the great tribulation. Which to them is the discipline of the Father, and to Jews it will be to shear them down to their remnant and He will reveal Himself as Messiah. So the kid is a message to them to be excellent Jews, because only a remnant will be left and thats those who have kept the faith or repented and keep the faith. And its important we understand stuff. Really the Dermots are not worth it. We need yo find the scattered sheep who have gotten lost in the strife of the world. What Christian is excused to be bitter and unforgiving or violent, even in hearty approval from their tablets? So these signs are to wake us up so we can wake others up. He is coming like a theif, because even the signs are being ignored. As they go on with daily life as in days of Noah. . Side: Agree
Please clarify this for me: And here are your to compare NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point If what I say is so pointless and meaningless, why do you feel it's worth your time to try to smear your farts all over it you foul mouthed fart faced faggot? You see, I just proved you a liar as you spend your time fighting against the message I bring. If it's worth your time to fight against it, you prove by your own actions that the list of simple facts here is neither pointless nor meaningless. Yes you can go on the way you are going on forever. You probably will go on forever the way you are going in the fire of Hell paying your dues as an eternal sausage. 55mins ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point And by the way, if your brother thinks being a good person earns him the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, he'll never be good enough to earn that right and the proof of that simple fact is the fact that he is dying and can't be good enough for eternal life. He's on his way to Hell if he thinks trying to be good will earn him a "don't go to Hell" card. 57mins ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Non-human living things are not made in God's likeness with capacity to reason as God does. Why do you obsess about denying God can and will save you if you will a) come into agreement with Him regarding your predicament of having sinned against Him deserving to be forever exiled from any benefit of His goodness, b) believe He died for you and paid for your sins to ransom you back from what sin has sold you into which is death, and c) Call on God the Father, ask Him in the name of the Son who died for you to forgive you of all your sin and invite His Son into your heart to give you a new heart and save you from Hell. Why do you want to be so hard hearted? Why do you feel the things I'm saying are scary? None of it scares me. I know many people who are not afraid of anything I say. Why do you feel it's scary? 58mins ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point hahahaha........idiot. God mocks atheists and I find you funny...a tragic comedy, sad but funny...and what's really funny is I think you are serious and may even think you are seriously funny yourself. 1hr ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point hahahaha........idiot. God mocks atheists and I find you funny...a tragic comedy, sad but funny...and what's really funny is I think you are serious and may even think you are seriously funny yourself. 1hr ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Hi Fartman. How are you today. What's new ? 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point Yep. Who can deny it and live ?? 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Your stuff is so stupid I don't even have to read it to respond. I hit the buttons of your points without reading your posts, and the proof is the way you respond. You're a fool being jerked around by your own sin. 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Did you know that God mocks atheists? And do you know why? It's because they are a tragic comedy. You're a sad joke in your hatred of God you old fool. 2hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Hey Dermit the Hermit, when did your farts first start coming out the wrong end of your body so your face is blowing explosive words like a Howitzer causing your face to look like Darwin's gorilla cousin? . 2hrs agoHi Fartman. How are you today. What's new ? . NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point You will not believe you have no right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire, and even then you probably will never concede that it's due justice against your sin. That is the only way you will believe Hell is real, that is the only way you will get the proof you say is not there. I hope you prove me wrong and repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, the One who gave Himself as the ransom payment for our sin to buy us back from Hell, God the Creator who became our Savior and conquered death for all who will put their trust in Him.....but you will probably prove me right. That's sad, another proud and brave fool. 3hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point There are two kinds of violence, one is evil and the other is judgement against evil. Judgement against evil is good. God had specific reasons explained in the Bible for ever time He commanded violent judgement be executed. And the stuff Slappy is taking out of context in his ignorance copy and pasted from some stupid militant atheist website is Old Testament under Jewish Law for the Jews. When the Jews fell captive to other nations they were to obey the laws of those nations as long as they were not laws demanding worshiping gods that are not God. Why in the world do people make these stupid arguments like this militant atheist garbage taken out of context from the Bible, and put them up like they know what they are talking about? This is what the public schools have done, made a bunch of robots who don't know how to think for themselves, teaching them to scream louder so they won't hear anybody telling them how duped they are. 12hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point There are two kinds of violence, one is evil and the other is judgement against evil. Judgement against evil is good. God had specific reasons explained in the Bible for ever time He commanded violent judgement be executed. And the stuff Slappy is taking out of context in his ignorance copy and pasted from some stupid militant atheist website is Old Testament under Jewish Law for the Jews. When the Jews fell captive to other nations they were to obey the laws of those nations as long as they were not laws demanding worshiping gods that are not God. As for the Crusades, they were carried out by Catholics who killed real Bible believing Christians like me and they fought against Muslims who were trying to conquer Europe and it's a good thing they stopped them. Now they're infiltrating as immigrants and refugees, establishing exclusive areas where militant Islam will fester and grow. Brexit was largely in response to the idiocy of countries allowing Muslims to bring their evil ways to the west. It was only 7 percent of Germans who stirred up the Nazis for war, and Muslims operate the same way growing apparently peacefully in number with a small percentage rising to power and making the rules. And Hitler was deep into the occult. It's silly to try to compare Christians to Muslims based on Old Testament Law of Israel or based on the Crusades. And if you think Hitler was a Christian, you're nuts. Yes he was in bed with Catholics as Catholics hoped to be the world religion under Hitler's regime. Catholicism is paganism laced with Biblical names and changes the definitions of words from the Bible to fit it's dogma. Why in the world do people make these stupid arguments and put them up like they know what they are talking about? This is what the public schools have done, made a bunch of robots who don't know how to think for themselves, teaching them to scream louder so they won't hear anybody telling them how duped they are. 12hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point This kind of stuff only shows your ignorance of the Bible. 12hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Muslims do not assemble peacefully, they assemble to talk about killing Jews, death to America, the great Satan and the Little Satan in Muslim's twisted brains, and killing Christians. Moderate Muslims do not make the rules for Islam. Islam is nothing but murder the Jews and Christians (and atheists and sodomites of course) and conquer the world by any means. They are pushing for a world wide blood bath as they believe it is needed to usher in their Moozie Messiah and they are going to get that world wide blood bath soon...hopefully after the Lord takes me out of this world. You can have this world...as long as you can keep it. 13hrs ago NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point I think you should become a Muslim. They kill atheists the same as sodomites, so by saying "God's Name is Mamma and Mohammed's Momma is His prophet, you can keep your head on your shoulders and live under a government which encourages you to kill Christians. Sure, you'll have to kill Jews too, but you have to hate them too since Jesus was a Jew and the Bible said all the families of the earth would be blessed through the Jew. Just tell them you still believe in science but you now believe Mohammed is the Poopet of Allah and you can keep on having your sinful fun. 13hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Those Jews do not know who is their Messiah, they still reject Him and they are teaching an ungodly religion. You should be skeptical of stuff like what that kid is teaching.....and more than skeptical, you should be against it....but you are saying it's ok because he puts in a few Bible verses and refers to the two witnesses of Revelation. God did not give that kid wisdom. If God gave the kid wisdom he would know Jesus is the Messiah. The vision that kid got is from demons. It's a deception promoting a false religion. 13hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point I don't believe in Hell any more than I believe in a rock. I believe in God, and it's good to know He will one day confine all sin in the containing and consuming fire of Hell where it will not bother or disrupt the living ever again. Hell is the flaming garbage pit for sinners who will not repent and all such will be there when God finally purges evil from His creation. No more fools will be able to get in my face blowing their farts out the wrong end, no more fools will be crying in the presence of the living about how they feel God is not good. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point You believe life emerged out of non-living things. You have to be naive to believe that. You want it to be true because you feel it excuses your sins. You want it to be true so badly that you will spend money promoting attempts to cause life to emerge out of non-living things. There are so many life you they actually pool together to extort government funding by power of block vote to waste billions of dollars trying to make life emerge out of non-living things, and trying to support your hypothesis of molecules turning into a living cell which turned into monkeys who resemble your mother. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point The Bible tells what is going to happen, we don't need a Jewish kid who denies that Jesus is the Savior and teaches a religion of good works which God hates. The vision that kid had was given to him from demons to deceive people. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point Keep claiming that you have authority to call the end to the story and you are going to end up in Hell with no end. You're not God, you can't make God non-existent and you can't keep yourself out of Hell. You need a Savior or you won't be saved. God is the Savior, Jesus is God the Savior and you can be saved, but you won't, will you, Hermit? (now watch the hermit fly off into a hot fire of profanity spitting dirt in his hatred of God) 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point Your mind is closed. That's your case. You say you can't know, that only proves that you don't know. I know. I know you can know....but I doubt you will because you don't want to renounce your sins. That is the only reason people will not believe, they love their sins more than life for the momentary pleasures they can get while they are fading in death. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point You could know but you don't want to know. You are too proud to bow to God as your King, you are too proud to repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in His bodily resurrection, His victory over death, His Deity.......because you want to go your own way, you love your sin and you want to follow it away from God as far as you can and it's carrying you like the wings of a moth into the flames of Hell and you are enjoying the pleasures along the way as you are flying into the fire. You love your sin more than life and God will let you have it forever but not in Heaven. You'll have to take it with you if you won't believe Jesus took in on Himself when He died for you to save you from Hell. You can know. If you will not believe, you will know Hell is hot. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point So you're a proud and brave fool. Do you want a cookie for bravery so maybe you'll have time to enjoy something before you wake up in Hell? The logical reason to believe such a place exists is because you don't want to find out the hard, finding yourself frying like an eternal sausage in the burning garbage pit of Hell. God thinks all the stuff you say against Him is garbage and He has no place for it in Heaven. If you want to take it with you to Hell, God loves you and gives you the freedom to do that. 14hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point The kid is preaching that the way to be saved is to read the Torah and be nice. That is a self-justifying religion of good works and God hates it. The kid says it repeatedly. So some demons told him about the two witnesses of Revelation. Big deal. That does not make the message good, it does not validate the message. You don't mix doctrines of demons with Bible truth and claim it's from God. You're so far out there it's pathetic. This is what the charismatic movement is all about.....doctrines of demons mixed with scripture to make Christians look like idiots so the gospel has less appeal to sinners. 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point You should be in jail with all the BLM mindless idiots . 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Black Lives Matter is nothing but a mod inciting violence, using threat of force, threat of rioting, threat of looting, threats against police, ...demanding handouts. Anybody affiliated with them should be shipped to Africa with a one way ticket and lose their US citizenship rights. And all those idiot kids rioting and shutting down freeways because they are cry babies who can't handle that they lost the election should be put in jail......one big concentration camp for a couple years, ship them out in vans to do hard labor fixing the infrastructure they want to tear down in their cry baby fits. 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point I don't know .......usually it's an accidental repeat of a previous post . 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to D Side: Agree
I dont understand your argument when you repost my post back at me. I cant guess what you are saying. I posted your arguments over days in comparison. I have been calling out for people to get prepared and prepare their hearts, to be unstained of the world and to walk in a manner worthy of His calling. I am calling out for people to get prepared and to really prepare their hearts, to be a whole heart, not divided, unstained of the world, and blowing a trumpet to walk in a manner worthy of His calling. "Remember Lot's wife" I have been explaining the Bible, & prophesy past, and present, validating its history and showing it reliable in its history and in science and in current events. Bringing His Word whether sign in the sky or attitudes of sheep, while challenging even posts of hearty approval for the stains of the world, as in blm, lgbt, abortion, islam, one world government, and one world religion, and the baseless truth found in coexist with the silencing of truth that is forced on us. And I'm actually teaching Jesus. And raising Him and His Kingdom and His Holiness. And I just want to gather and sanctify His sheep out of the world. The key is and to sanctify! Isn't this the Gospel our foundation? Its not a chanted prayer! It the WORK of the cross in entirety! Its a repentance turning away from the world into "His world" His Kingdom, Separate from the world! From repentance, to forgiveness, to transferring us into new life! We are Born again in that prayer. And then we are planted and growing separately outside of the blood stains of the world! Renewing our minds to the mind of Christ.To be like Him. To keep unstained by the bitterness rooted in the world! He justified weakness, and cleanses us so in Him we have confidence in His work. But a divided heart is hatlotry. A divided heart isn't a whole heart. We can fall in weakness without having a divided heart, but we can't have a divided heart and say we love Him. Bitter water and living water cant come out of the same well. Bitterness is a root, struggle against a weak flesh is rooted in hunger and thirst for righteousness. No flesh will be glorified He has done the whole work! But a divided heart is not worthy of Him! "Hand to the plow, remember Lots wife!" . So I do not understand your repost? . . Side: Agree
Jesus would have called them children of Hell, of their father the devil if the way He spoke to His enemies is any indication. I'm naming their sin, there is nothing wrong with that. You and the devils are accusing me of sin because that's what devils do.....all those devils inspiring your Jewish boy with his "revelation" of how you can be saved by reading your Torah and being nice are cheering you on....and for the most part I'm ignoring you. Side: Agree
You dont judge things through Him. You judge them according to doctrines of men! We don't live once, in order to make the most of this life we "only live once." We have a beginning point, and then our lives are eternal. Our life is more like a "ray" ------------------> "Our lives in this flesh in this world" are line segments, but we are actually rays. We have one beginning point and we go on and on in one direction... whichever direction we choose. This world is a line segment just like our lives in this outer carton are like a line segment -------. A beginning point and an end point. "In the Beginning.... Genesis 1: 1" to Rev 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; -------------------------- A line segment is just a part of a line, having two points, a beginning point and an end point. This world has a beginning point and also an end point. We have a beginning point, but we do NOT have an end point. In reality, we are like rays. ---------------> we are born into a beginning point but our souls go beyond the end point of this life we live once. This world is only a line segment! --------------- "Eternal God" King of Kings, Jesus - He is all lines that have no beginning points and no endpoints. <----------------------------------- "The truth is our lives in and out of our flesh in this world" - is like a ray, not a line segment.
We are rays of a line. With one beginning point and then our lives goes on and on in One Direction... beyond the line segment of this world we wander disembodied, lost and hopeless in the darkness. This is man broken and hopeless. He came and was broken for us, so we can be made whole. And we will be in new flesh, a body again. Cleased garments, our wedding feast attire.
Which direction is your ray going? Which direction are your children's (rays) arrows going? Side: Agree
....................................... 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Your mind, your imagination is your god and you are bowing down to it as low as you can, down to six feet under. Your god is a proud god taking you to Hell in your sin. Your god is your master, your master is sin, your master has you on a ball and chain pulling you down and you will bow. God can set you free but you don't want Him to be your King so He will be your judge and you will bow down. 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point The punks who don't like America can go back to their native homeland. Ship them back. It's not about their race, it's about their worthless attitude which is destructive toward society. Who ever said black people should be shot by police for no reason? If you think cops are shooting blacks for no reason, you're nuts. I'm really not a big supporter of police, but I sure side with them over the street punk dope head whore dogs who hate the cops. It's cops who are being shot by ambush attacks all over the country just because they are cops and the murderers flames are fueled by stupid big mouth punks like you. You should be in jail yourself for inciting violence. 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) 1 point why do you think it matters what you think? Why are you so dogmatic about your own stupid opinions? 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point The "christian god" is a thing you imagine which is not God. "The christian god" is what you have named the thing you imagine which is not God. Saying "The christian god is not God, therefore God is not God is absurd. Yes I know how you feel about God. You hate Him. 1 day ago NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Come, let us reason together, saith the LORD is an appeal to sinners to come into agreement with God to find mercy and be saved. You're writing a whole book of gibberish out of context, and using a Jewish boy who had visions telling him and all the Jews that the way to be saved is to read the Torah and be nice. God hates those lies from Hell like what the Jewish boy is teaching and being promoted for, and you are promoting what God hates. Those Jews are doing exactly what God hated in the Old Testament, consulting evil spirits through that boy. Where to you live? The holey deck on The Star Trip Enterprise? 15hrs ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Sinners who don't want to repent of their sin only want to get rid of God. Gods do not matter. There is only one God they feel they have to be free from. His name is God. He is not "a" god, or "a" God, or one of many or a few Gods, He is God who created all things and gave people the freedom to turn away from Him and the imagination to create things they call gods, Gods, or a God. There are many people because God in mercy allowed time for sinners to reproduce. God wanted a people like Himself to populate His kingdom, His Heaven, what some call Paradise in short-sighted comparison. He chose Israel through which to make His name known in the world, through which He entered the human race Himself to be the final sacrifice for our sins justifying Himself in giving time to sinners outside of Hell. You're dead already, dead in your sins, in condemnation on death row, a dead man walking. Only God can give you life and you are rejecting His offer in preference of death so that is all you have. He conquered death by taking your place and paying your price, He conquered death on your behalf and you don't care what He did for you? To say He has done nothing for you and you will answer to Him if you have to after your dying is finalized is not wise. Your going to spend your life being unthankfull toward God and then you expect Him to understand you accusing Him of not caring for you? You're going to trample His blood under your feet and then tell God you didn't have evidence that He did anything for you? He gave His life, His blood to pay for your sins, to cover your sins and you are going to approach God with the mud on your shoes caked from His blood? Don't you see what you are doing, and don't you see God is being merciful to you now and you are pushing the limits of His mercy? 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point So you feel God is a created thing, something people invented by imagination. In thinking that way, you are changing the definition of God who is the creator of all things and eternally independent of your imagination or anybody else's imagination. The reason you are trying to demote God from being the creator of all things to being a thing you can imagine and a thing which ceases to exist inside or outside your imagination when you stop thinking about Him is that you are trying to make God non-existent, you are trying to murder Him with your imagination. You do indeed hate God. It's more denial than disbelief. You are making a willful choice to deny God is there, you are trying to make Him be nothing. That is not possible. God cannot be nothing. You can't stop God from being God. The only thing that will be stopped the way you are going in how you feel about God will be you. You will be stopped from doing what you are doing in the presence of the living. You'll have to do it somewhere else. Can you guess where that will be? 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point That's what I figured, and it's nonsense. Pseudo-intellectual nonsense, intended to impress fools like yourself.....and the way it reads, it's practically incomprehensible anyways, colloquially speaking of course. Changing God to a created thing comparable to a created thing like Santa, and then saying it cannot be God because there is no God is creating your own absurdity and then saying it's not God. It's colloquial confusion, gibberish, nonsense. God is not a thing you can imagine. God by definition exists independently of your imagination. Anything you refer to as God which you hold as imagined is nothing but the space between your ears. Of course God cannot be confined to the space between your ears, that space compares not to God but rather to a rock.....a ten pound rock. 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point Did you read it ? 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point It's a post I deleted.....you can't delete posts, you can only edit them. In editing, you can remove all text, then you have to replace it with something......that is the only way to wipe out a post as far as I know. 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ NowASaint(101) Clarified 1 point How did you become so brainwashed ? 1 day ago Support Dispute Clarify Report Jump to Debate→ Side: Agree
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Ok...lets reserve God. But let me ask you if you think you only live by your Body and nothing else? If no, then you tell me what. But if yes then you answer me why people who go into coma(unconsciousness) cannot awake provided they have their full body unharmed and without any physical or chemical challenges? Side: Agree
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