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"OSTO Minarchism" as a political philosophy

"OSTO Minarchism" Is a political protocol designed to reduce the lifespan of large "Task groups" while keeping them as transparent as possible. The acronym "OSTO" stands for: Open Source Task Oriented and the philosophy seeks to promote the view of government agencies and institutions as " task groups" That should be formed and dissolved only as needed to accomplish specific tasks


Inspired by repeated historical observation that our government institutions invariably self corrupt, and faced with the apparent necessity to *on certain ocassions* create large governmental entites, OSTO Minarchists propose that *these occasions* are only when extraordinarily large tasks need to be completed that require massive coordinated cooperation. Under this task oriented approach, the lifespan of these institutions are chartered to end once the task they were created to accomplish is complete or the group fails to achieve completion of the task according to the terms of the charter.


The method of political organization is forming "task groups", and is based on meritocracy as only top performers in their fields will be able to advance. Any small group of (arbitrarily) 5 people are entitled to elect from themselves a representative. These representatives are " level 2" . Level 2 representatives are to group up with other level 2's forming new 5 person groups. Higher and higher levels are formed in this fashion until a top council is formed

The philosophy is supposed to balance protection of an assumed right to privacy with the general public's right to be aware of matters likely to directly or indirectly affect their well-being. Hence certain "task groups" would focus on projects meant to protect individual privacy, and others on making the larger and/or more consequential task groups as transparent as possible. Under OSTO Minarchism, security concerns are considered technical challenges that swarms of intelligence agents (the general public) would supposedly be increasingly better equipped to thwart


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Couldn't you run into a problem where like with the Dictatorship of the proletariat there is never a point in which the task is compleeted? creating somthing that just sucks money off of the taxes? and what about ongoning projects like public schools, how would they be staffed?

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atypican(4875) Disputed
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The issue that task groups can be formed to execute plans with negative consequences for others groups persists within OSTO minarchists systems. This is mitigated by citizen vigilance enabled by mandatory organizational transparency.

The risk of setting out to complete a task and failing persists under OSTO Monarchism. However, with the meritocratic selection system those failures would be less likely.

Ongoing endeavors like public education can be reduced to a series of training tasks, completion verified by proficiency tests.

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SatintLater(283) Disputed
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but then wouldn't there have to be tasks that could not have transparency? such as a manhunt. the second the person being hunted knows where his persuers are he knows when to start running again.

Side: opposed

What about never ending problems? You can't really solve cyclical unemployment or education. You need permanent bureaucracies for those kind of problems. Government usually forms temporary committees for solvable problems like the Benghazi investigation or 9/11. Though I agree that bureaucracies have a tendency to ossify and that certainly is a problem. I've always thought it would be an interesting idea to dissolve each bureaucracy every 25 or 50 years, fire everybody and ban them from reentering that bureaucracy so that it can be rebuilt from the ground up.

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atypican(4875) Disputed
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OSTO Minarchism does not "Solve all the world's problems". Its just asserting that "effective governments" = "groups effective at accomplishing tasks"

I've always thought it would be an interesting idea to dissolve each bureaucracy every 25 or 50 years

In an OSTO Minarchist system, when task groups convene to accomplish tasks and they fail too often the members lose status for future election.

Side: support
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Thank you for an interesting and unique debate. I'm not opposed to ever operating this way. Indeed there are some needs in society better served by a task group.

But here's my problem with it. I've seen this attempted in large companies. It appears to work great in the short run, but stick around long enough and whatever need the task group addressed tends to come up again and again in the future. But since the original group no longer exists almost all the expertise is lost, as well as the context of what they looked at the last time and decided what they did or did not do, as well as the records and contacts, etc. Basically it just results in reinventing the wheel over and over again, which ultimately is a waste of resources worse than maintaining a core staffing in that area.

In fact, in many ways democracy itself is OSTO Minarchism on a grand scale since the people elected and the projects and teams they work on are constantly changing (even if at the grassroots we still feel they didn't change enough). And just like my criticism above, whatever our elected officials don't get done within their time frame and with the peers they have to work with usually ends up dropped and ruined and has to start from scratch or at least from a position of ignorance when the new group comes to office to try again.

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atypican(4875) Disputed
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Thank you for an interesting and unique debate

That's a nice compliment. Appreciated

Your relating it to business practices that you've seen implemented seems to at least partly validate the approach. Your concern about the inefficienciets involved with recurring tasks being handled by possibly fresh teams too often is legitimate. I fail however to see anything preventing specialized task groups from remaining where their proficiencies are. ie being that "core staffing"

As to the point about losing invested intellectual capital, this is where the "open source" approach really shines.. In OSTO minarchism, tasks consist of precise executable instructions.

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Grenache(6053) Clarified
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Indeed it can work. It just needs to be the right tool for the right need.

Side: support