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OWS Gets What They Want: Redistribution of Wealth
OWS protesters get what they want: Redistribution of (their) wealth.
It’s been mostly peace, love, and bongo drums for the Occupiers at their Zuccotti Park campground, but recently the leftists got a life lesson that they can’t blame on Wall Street.
Thousands of dollars in cash and pricey electronics have reportedly been stolen from the clutches of the anti-capitalist movement.
Stealthy thieves plundered the ramshackle living quarters of the Occupation last night, according to the New York Post, including $2500 in donations stolen from the kitchen. One protestor claimed his $5500 laptop was also taken.
Exactly, the whole philosophy of the movement is that making a contribution does not mean you deserve anything. They simply don't want to adapt to having to work, so they complain about people who do work and live well because of it.
The point is that the idiots are stealing from each other... not that they have expensive toys, although that does prove them to be hypocrites, to a certain degree.
Impoverished people tend to do that. Stealing. I think the fact that they're stealing from the slightly less impoverished ones among them actually shows exactly how important their occupation is.
I mean really.
If they have to steal money from other protestors so they can not starve to death while they protest... exactly what the FUCK did the rich do to piss them off that much?
Nothing good. Nothing that I can comprehend, anyway. And I'm glad I don't, or I'd have to steal to not starve to death!
Sorry to have to dispute you my friend, but I'm going to do it any way. First thing is that many people steal simply because they can. I agree that often times it is harder to steal then to get a job, but many still insist on doing it any way.
Recently I had $20,000 worth of spare parts in a warehouse and it got broken into. Most of these parts weighed around two hundred pounds each and were for equipment that dated from the 1940's to the mid 1970's. The thieves didn't have a clue as to the actual value of these parts, they simply stole them for scrap metal. They were lucky to have gotten $1000 for them at a scrap yard.
The law did nothing to the guys that did this, despite the fact they knew who took them. In fact the police were called to the scene by a neighbor and did nothing to them. They claimed they had permission to be there and so law enforcement did nothing. The neighbors and police know who do this and this is how I found out. The law has done nothing to them. I'm out $20,000. Because these parts only had value to me, they were not insured. I own the equipment these parts fit.
First thing is that many people steal simply because they can. I agree that often times it is harder to steal then to get a job, but many still insist on doing it any way.
Right. They steal because they cannot get a job. Who's going to hire a hobo? Or a homeless minority in a slum? Nobody... just as wealth is passed from parents to child, so is poverty.
Recently I had $20,000 worth of spare parts in a warehouse and it got broken into... (long, unfortunate story)
I understand where you're coming from. I'll have you know, similar things happened to my father when I was growing up. It wasn't very nice. Police can be very incompetent.
There are always exceptions to the rule.
My point, ultimately, though is that many thieves steal to eat... many. Most, in fact. There are tons of scammers and deceivers and, of course, CEOs who buy their way past federal laws. But that's not generally the kind of thievery I refer to... I mean the classic thievery you see when you think of street urchin. Homeless people who steal so they can buy bread, or just steal the bread in the first place.
That's what I mean.
The common thief.
Not the uncommon one that gets away with stealing while they live a moderately Middle-Class lifestyle.
Most people that steal don't do it out of a need to survive.
I'll agree there are some, but I cannot agree that it's most. Stealing is a very hard thing to accomplish when done outside the internet. You have to deal with time of day, witnesses, your attire, possible security, theft technique, and lastly, the taser-crazy police.
Stealing has been demonized so much in this country it's practically become just a hard a job as any other serious manual labor activity.
I'm sorry but I can't see most thieves taking the risk of imprisonment and police brutality without having a good reason, like the need to buy some sort of thing that is required to live.
Look at Lindsay Lohan... she wasn't starving AND she could even afford the stuff she stole but she did it anyway. When I was younger I worked in retail and thieves were everywhere... they just stole because they wanted stuff they couldn't afford.
I don't think Lindsay Lohan is a good example of any group of people...
When I was younger I worked in retail and thieves were everywhere... they just stole because they wanted stuff they couldn't afford.
Depends on what they were stealing while you worked in retail. And even if they did steal them, did they steal them to have them or to sell them for cash they could use on things they needed? You wouldn't know unless you followed their tracks after they stole.
Not to be a complete ass, but what you're saying sounds a lot like the corporate propaganda I've been hearing for years that encourages our culture to take a giant shit on the poor and law-breakers.
When I was in high school lots of the kids stole stuff all the time... stuff their parents didn't want to buy them, peer pressure etc. I'm not trying to be an ass either I'm just surprised at your views on this...
Maybe I'll make a debate and we can see what people on here think.
I'm not trying to be an ass either I'm just surprised at your views on this...
My view is simply that people do not choose to suffer. People do not choose to be homosexual, to be poor, or to be reviled. If somebody is stealing, it's probably for a good reason.
There are always exceptions to the rule, like when children steal things, but I can't accept the idea that poor people break the law because they want to take the risk and go to jail. That just can't be. There has to be a good reason they're doing something like that.
They might just be really stupid, but hey, I will not deny the few exceptions to the rule.
You have to be pretty goddamn stupid to choose to suffer.
If the system doesn't punish murders; what do you think they do with thieves?
Imprison them... as long as they are impoverished.
You may have misunderstood my other points. I didn't mean thievery in general, to be honest. Let's face it: corporations steal from you every time you do manual labor for pay.
What I was actually addressing was thievery among the truly impoverished.
Those people go to jail for years, and are put to death without a single newspaper article if they commit murder. They don't have any money, so nobody cares. But if you have money... oh boy, you can get away with a lot of things.
Though to be honest... Casey Anthony is a matter of opinion. Everyone has facts that leads to O.J. Simpson murdering people, but inevitably, nobody could prove Casey Anthony a murder.
My point remains. I wasn't speaking of all thievery. Just the misconceptions about impoverished ones.
Sounds like those that are protesting have it better than those they represent, $5500 laptop, cash, etc. Representatives are the same, the objective different.