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Obama one of the greatest leaders ever!
obama is one of the greatest leaders of all time in my humble opinion.
The US economy is growing faster than all of europe. despite the fact bush dragged america into 2 unwinnable wars. obama has in effect ended both. he also was way more successful in talking out ghadaffi, bin laden and 100s of terrorist leaders he is right on israel palestine too where he tries to stay somewhat neutral
at home hes given health care for 50 ,million poorest. hes invested 800 billion in infrastructuce, industry and roads. the US car manufacturers are now worlds number 1 hes invested trillions in education, science , technology and stem cell research too most sectors are growing, hes also been way tougher on the chinses imports with higher tariffs the stock market has almost doubled in value under obama from 7250 to 13700 yet this is ignored? why? this means value of the biggest companies in america has doubled in 4 years? yet this is ignored? this will ultimately ensure millions more american jobs.
Hes closed 60% of guantanamo bay, he will continue to fight the republicans to get it shut 100% in his last term.....hes rewarding companies that keep american jobs in america hes gone after corporate corruption and fined goldman sachs, british petroleum etc in total hundreds of billions
hes tightened regulations on corporate giants and reduced them on smaller businesses....hes created over 5 million private jobs and cut almost 500,000 state jobs, so hes not a socialist at all. but most new jobs are now in small businesses so hes rebalanced the economy and spread the wealth by increasing taxes on millionaires by 5% thats only fair and proper. hes now trying to ban automatic weapons tighten gun controls and reduce the number of guns that have the potential to fall into the hands of maniacs. hes also invested more money into treatment of mental health issues. hes a fantastic president he has reduced military spending by 2 trillion compared to his opponents and still the US has an army bigger than the rest of the world combined. hes reduced nuclear weapons in russia by 40% and america by 30% when the disarmament takes places. hes talked down the need for perpetual war and is at heart a peacemaker. hes achieved infinitely more than bush. hes given america its respect back, its balance and its intelligence and heart.
he isnt a socialist or a right winger, hes a balanced decent man who took over this great nation in the worst recession for 80 years and 2 unwinnable wars..... hes clearly explained how he has built growth and jobs and infrastructure and reduced military spending and how this will in time redu ce the 16 trillion debt. the debt was 11 trillion when he started but 2 trillion was already passed in bills to bail banks, property market, plus the automotor industry which worked and save nearly a million jobs....every bank has had to pay back every cent on time or face fine after fine....obamas rules on the bankers was infinitely tighter than in europe. obama went through it with a scalpel just as he said he would
unemployment is steadily down every month for the past 20...now its 7.7% and steadily falling, but the underlying truth is hes rebalanced the economy and there are 100s of thousands of new vibrant small businesses with millions of new jobs and new employees. hes taken long term decisions too to help amefricans get health treatment....americans are 49th in the list of nations for mortality....the average american dies over 10 years younger than nations at the top of this list.
the last government was so far right wing it ended up on the left, where the richest were bailed out by tax payers, where 90% of the country was owned by the 1%...thats the same result as old russia...thats not free market,,thats a cartel a monopoly of fixed prices and fixed wages and corrupt rules...war mongerers were making billions by promoting war on war channels
with the healthcare bill and the tighter gun laws and bans on automatics, also with fairer taaxes and rewards for small to medium businesses, america can become again the nation of our dreams, the land of opportunity!
Bakhytgul, you said that, "Most people from Iran and Irak suffered more distress and you can not imanige that situation. What about The Twin Towers? maybe you think that that accident was by muslin people?" but it was happened when Bush was a president of USA, now we speak about B. Obama, and if he was bad president, how he won the president's election?
Ill tell you how a bad president can win an election . First term , people voted for him to avoid being called racist . Second term , people voted for him because he supported so many rights for minorities people thought " let's get rights for the minorities " and forgot about the economic crisis we are in . And stop blaming crap on Bush , he isn't president . Obama is , and after 8 years in office he would do something . And guess what , just because he ended a war doesn't make him a good president . And even if it doesn't even come close to amount of debt our country is in .
Obama is not a warmonger, he has talked down war, reduced military spending, agreed a nuclear disarmourment with russia for up to 40% of nuclear weapons over the next decade....he gave up the europe wide missile defence system as hes not an imperialist either....he wants to rebuild america at home. the man is at heart a pacifist who is trying to find the peaceful solutions in a war torn world.....hes improved relations with all americas allies and perhaps some of their enemies too...he has increased the respect and dare I say it., love people have for america overseas.
he talks sense, common sense, hes practical , but he has high ideals too. he is courteous and polite but he will fight evil when necessary. so he is a strong leader but not an aggressive bullying one.
He has not spoken with inflammatory language like bush, instead he has tried to reach out and find compromises, but when hes had to act he has acted. hes been infinitely more effective in foreign policy than bush o blair or many other leaders.
his healthcare bill will in 10 years time, be seen as the greatest bill passed in american history. it will save 100s of millions of american lives in the next century and it may save you your friends and families and your children and their childrens children.
he did all this in the middle of 2 unwinnable wars, biggest recession for 80 years, terrorism rife, banking and property collapse, 24 hour news creating hate and wars, global warming, scarce resources, rising poppulation, millions of illegal immigration, the rise of china , corporate corruption, 300 million guns in society etc etc
why do you think he won the election comfortably even in a recession? the majority know hes doing as good a job as he can in phenemenally difficult circumstances.
And Bakhytgul where did you take these argument about 9/11 and Washington? please give me references where did you find it, and please give strong argument, all you arguments that you gave here, only waste of time, only talk without any evidence.
It is now 2015 and President Obama has initiated a nuclear arms deal with Iran, that if Congress approves, means a stepping stone to peace in the Middle East.
Considering the record number of filibusters, something like 10 times more than any other time in history, and what he's been able to get done despite the insanity on the right, you make a pretty good case. History will put him in the top 10 presidents for his accomplishments not doubt, and right wingers will say it's because he's black of course.
Historians put Wilson in the top 5, he imprisoned Suffragists, anti-war protesters, anti-draft protesters, socialist and signed the Federal Reserve Act which has ruined the worth of the dollar.
Historians put FDR in the top 5, he put Japanese American citizens in concentration camps, let the USSR take half of Germany and Eastern Europe and dragged out the great depression.
Just because some historians that work for PBS say "this guy is great" doesn't mean they are actually great.
And yes, Obama will go up there because he is black, I know you're going to put your hands over your ears, close your eyes and yell "Its not true! Its not true!" but it is, whenever you have the first leader of a nation that is of a different race/gender/ethnicity, they go down in history. Not claiming its right or logical, but hey, even if they can't find a way to make this guy look good, he will still go down as "The First African-American President Ever" so yes, it will have to with his race.
that was part of the original excitement, but its more to do with the way he relates to people and the balance and fairness of most of his policies. the vast majority think hes a decent man. very few politicians can have that said about them
I did use facts. We live in a society where: being the first women or minority to do something makes you special. That's not my rules, I'm against them.
No, he's going to be up there for healthcare reform. It will save us billions and allow for a longer and healthier life. It's something we should have done when Nixon tried to do it.
In the short term, he will get huge credit for not allowing this insane congress to push the U.S. off the fiscal edge and completely ruin our credit rating.
But people like yourself who cannot accept that anything this president does is a great accomplishment will do as you are doing, say it's about color of skin.
No, he's going to be up there for health care reform. It will save us billions and allow for a longer and healthier life. It's something we should have done when Nixon tried to do it.
Yes, just as FDR went down for Social Security, not being the four term guy with polio. I would argue that the health care bill will do more harm than good, but that's an argument for another time.
In the short term, he will get huge credit for not allowing this insane congress to push the U.S. off the fiscal edge and completely ruin our credit rating.
Ugh, how have you not caught on yet? Seriously, every time there is "debt crisis" or "fiscal cliff" congress waits till the last second. Why? Because they can use it as a threat. They won't go over the cliff, politics is about getting elected and the second the media says "Congressman Alex Smith made us go over the cliff" their career is over. Its also beneficial to the president because he/she can act like they saved the day.
Its all a big show for the uninformed.
But people like yourself who cannot accept that anything this president does is a great accomplishment will do as you are doing, say it's about color of skin.
As I said, you would put your hands over your ears and close your eyes. Stop acting like people function they way you wish they would and recognize that they function like this: There is a special place reserved in history for the first different race/gender/ethnicity leader of a nation, that's just the way it works, I'm not claiming its right but that's just the way it is. Even if he did achieve great things, saved the economy, was a peace maker and made America better, at the end of the day, regardless of what else is there, the thing that is going to stick is "first black president."
If Sarah Palin was elected as president, regardless of what she would have done, she would have gone down as "first female president" and would have gotten a few extra pages in school text books.
Your point about FDR is spot on, he's consistently considered one of the top presidents because of the very successful programs he put in place after the great depression. Not sure if that was your point, but that is a fact. His polio had nothing to do with it.
And as far as the debt ceiling, you are fooling yourself if you think that this tea party group wouldn't love to go off the cliff. It is the left's campaigning on the subject which has informed the majority of the idiocy going on in the House and has forced their hand. But the amount of gerimandering which has taken place has made some of these seats so right wing and so safe for the looniest of these clowns, that they don't really need to worry if 85% of the country is against their hostage tactics concerning the debt ceiling, because the constituency they've created is almost entirely made up of that remaining 15%.
Finally, I never said that there was not a special place reserved for the first black president. Of course there is and there should be. If your white you can be the C student son of a governor and your portfolio can consist of nothing but bankrupting oil companies and baseball teams, and you can get elected twice. A black man needs to be a Rhode Scholar, Harvard honor student, nearly spotless personal life, and people will still spend the next four years questioning dumb shit like where he was born and accusing him of everything they can think of.
So yeah, there's that. But even without that his accomplishments would still propel him to a high position among American presidents.
Your point about FDR is spot on, he's consistently considered one of the top presidents because of the very successful programs he put in place after the great depression. Not sure if that was your point, but that is a fact. His polio had nothing to do with it.
A few old historians wrote books depicting FDR as the social program president, but to the general public talking about him goes something like this "The guy who served four terms? Didn't he have polio or something?" Also, this guy was basically Kaiser Wilson II (no I don't mean Wilhelm II, Kaiser Wilson was what suffragists and anti-war protesters called Woodrow Wilson) and Wilson's plans failed miserably.
And as far as the debt ceiling, you are fooling yourself if you think that this tea party group wouldn't love to go off the cliff. It is the left's campaigning on the subject which has informed the majority of the idiocy going on in the House and has forced their hand. But the amount of gerimandering which has taken place has made some of these seats so right wing and so safe for the looniest of these clowns, that they don't really need to worry if 85% of the country is against their hostage tactics concerning the debt ceiling, because the constituency they've created is almost entirely made up of that remaining 15%.
Because its only gerrymandering when its the right... smooth.
Incas you haven't noticed (which you probably haven't) most politicians that are in a high seat of power are pretty weaselly fucks. If you are naive enough to think that these scumbags wouldn't seize an opportunity like this for their own/party's gain, then I don't know what to tell you. And of course it is the Tea Party's dream to have us go off the fiscal cliff, that whole "automatic tax hikes" thing is really appealing to their point of view.
Finally, I never said that there was not a special place reserved for the first black president. Of course there is and there should be.
Give someone a special place in history because of their skin, heritage or genitalia? That's a little messed up.
If your white you can be the C student son of a governor and your portfolio can consist of nothing but bankrupting oil companies and baseball teams, and you can get elected twice.
Because there are no black governors, no black baseball team owners and no black corporate executives. Before you go on your 60's racist rant about how "the man is white" look around you, its simply not the case anymore.
I guess you could say the same thing about minorities to then, if you're the daughter of an immigrant, you can be a C student and get into an Ivy league school because of affirmative action and get elected because anyone who opposes you, your campaign will label a racist or xenophobe and ruin their career.
A black man needs to be a Rhode Scholar, Harvard honor student, nearly spotless personal life, and people will still spend the next four years questioning dumb shit like where he was born and accusing him of everything they can think of.
Nearly spotless? He admitted to smoking weed and doing cocaine. I do not have a problem with this, but this bastard heavily supports the war on drugs and has cracked down on Medical Marijuana. If Obama was busted under his OWN laws he would have done time.
So yeah, there's that. But even without that his accomplishments would still propel him to a high position among American presidents.
It shouldn't. His presidency should be rated on how it went, not on his skin and how "tough" it was for him.
Because there are no black governors, no black baseball team owners and no black corporate executives. Before you go on your 60's racist rant about how "the man is white" look around you, its simply not the case anymore.
I guess you could say the same thing about minorities to then, if you're the daughter of an immigrant, you can be a C student and get into an Ivy league school because of affirmative action and get elected because anyone who opposes you, your campaign will label a racist or xenophobe and ruin their career.
The only explanation for the rampant and completely baseless hatred the right has for this president is the color of his skin. That's just how it is. Name a white president accused of not being an American citizen...
Nearly spotless? He admitted to smoking weed and doing cocaine.
Yeah, when he was a kid, so "nearly spotless." Who the fuck hasn't done those things at least a couple times. The difference is he admits it and if he were a republican you'd be like "He's so awesome because he admits it."
Give someone a special place in history because of their skin, heritage or genitalia? That's a little messed up.
If you don't acknowledge the difficulties we put in place historically for minorities and for women, then it is easily forgotten. After slavery I think it should be acceptable to acknowledge the election of a black president as advancement. It's not "special treatment" obviously, because as stated no president has received as much senseless hatred and political filibustering ever in history from those on the other side. There is no equivalent anywhere.
heavily supports the war on drugs and has cracked down on Medical Marijuana
Heavily supports parts of the war on drugs. You wouldn't know this obviously because right wing news sites never ever mention anything any of their libertarian constituency may like about their nemesis, but he specifically said he'd not pursue people who use marijuana on a federal level in any of the states where it is legal.
It shouldn't. His presidency should be rated on how it went, not on his skin and how "tough" it was for him.
I've said this like ten times now. Why's it hard to understand that one can be acknowledged as the first black president just as FDR was in a wheel chair, but historically just as FDR being in a wheel chair has 0 bearing on how the effectiveness of is presidency is rated, so too will it be for Obama.
And the fact is he's done an incredible amount, and like it or not, the Affordable Care Act is going to be considered a huge success over time as it will allow more people to live longer and happier lives, bring down costs to individuals, and drastically bring down the cost to our country in terms of percent of GDP spent on healthcare. That's just a fact. There's no country ever in history which has not seen more success with similar laws. It's going to happen, complain about reality till your face is blue.
The only explanation for the rampant and completely baseless hatred the right has for this president is the color of his skin. That's just how it is. Name a white president accused of not being an American citizen...
Pulling the race card. The right has gone after every left-wing president and the left has gone after every right-wing president, and now that the right doesn't like a president that is to the far left, its his skin? Seriously? That's a bit childish.
Yeah, when he was a kid, so "nearly spotless." Who the fuck hasn't done those things at least a couple times. The difference is he admits it and if he were a republican you'd be like "He's so awesome because he admits it."
I have no problem with him smoking weed and doing cocaine (as I said in my argument above, and seriously, you thought I was mad at someone for doing drugs? Me? Really?) however, he is an anti-drug president. It would have been like if Nixon smoked some weed and cocaine but still went along with his whole war on drugs. Actually, there are several sources to confirm this, but this one group almost slipped a sugar cube of acid in Nixon's drink... damn I wish that had happened.
If you don't acknowledge the difficulties we put in place historically for minorities and for women, then it is easily forgotten. After slavery I think it should be acceptable to acknowledge the election of a black president as advancement.
Slavery was abolished over 1865, the Jim Crow laws ended in sometime in the 60's, don't remember the exact date. Just because minorities were once slaves/oppressed does not mean they deserve special treatment. Being a certain race doesn't make your accomplishments any more/less grand.
There is no equivalent anywhere.
What about Hiram Revels?
Heavily supports parts of the war on drugs. You wouldn't know this obviously because right wing news sites never ever mention anything any of their libertarian constituency may like about their nemesis
Actually, many Libertarians give Obama credit for supporting gay marriage.
And the fact is he's done an incredible amount, and like it or not, the Affordable Care Act is going to be considered a huge success over time as it will allow more people to live longer and happier lives, bring down costs to individuals, and drastically bring down the cost to our country in terms of percent of GDP spent on health care.
Well, its kind of playing a game of pin the tale on the donkey, except its pin the the bill on the rich. We already have a major deficit, we shouldn't be adding anything to the budget until it is balanced. I know where this going "tax the rich! tax the rich!" well, you can go ahead. Let me just remind you, this isn't the post-WWII decades where every other country is either destroyed, communist or both. All of these countries have rebuilt and China, India and Russia have become free market, when you start treating the investors and big business like shit, guess what they are going to do? Yes that's right, out source, so then all that capital and jobs leaves and goes to a competitor.
That's just a fact. There's no country ever in history which has not seen more success with similar laws. It's going to happen, complain about reality till your face is blue.
We don't need economic illiterates telling people what is and isn't fact.
Pulling the race card. The right has gone after every left-wing president and the left has gone after every right-wing president, and now that the right doesn't like a president that is to the far left, its his skin? Seriously? That's a bit childish.
False equivalency. The right goes after the left for things like having sex and being born in Kenya. The left goes after the right for things like lying about WMDs to start a war. And it is a different tone with Obama. No one on the right questioned the citizenship of Clinton, as much as they hated him, nor Jimmy Carter or any other democratic leader at any level. That he looks different allows them the capacity to take that particular angle. That angle would not work if he "looked like" rural America.
Now, hopefully that small group consists only of Trump and 10% of the right, but I think it is wishful thinking, the assumption it is a coincidence this happens to be the first black president and he happens to be the first attacked in this particular manner. And the right would do themselves a whole lot of good if instead of letting this type of thing go on to keep that constituency happy, they instead did what McCain did in the 08 election when the crazy lady with the crazy hair said Obama wasn't a citizen in the debates.
Slavery was abolished over 1865, the Jim Crow laws ended in sometime in the 60's, don't remember the exact date. Just because minorities were once slaves/oppressed does not mean they deserve special treatment. Being a certain race doesn't make your accomplishments any more/less grand.
I don't consider acknowledgement of a historical landmark "special treatment." Whether it is embarrassing that it took until 2008 for a black person to be seriously considered for the presidency, or a milestone, is debatable. It is one though, and that can be separated from consideration over his effectiveness I believe.
The first black senator did receive similar attacks. That more supports my and most people's theory that the "he's not American, not like us, different, etc" stems not from politics but from race though.
Actually, many Libertarians give Obama credit for supporting gay marriage.
You missed the point by quoting a portion. His leniency on marijuana was the point, and the secondary point is that portion is not covered in right media. The libertarians whose philosophies of freedom extend to gays is not a large portion of that segment of the right wing for some reason, but any "credit" they may give Obama I've not heard. Usually the subject is changed to the right of marriage in general, thus not supporting gay marriage by saying they don't support marriage, yet not accepting the reality that marriage exists and it is currently unequal.
Well, its kind of playing a game of pin the tale on the donkey, except its pin the the bill on the rich. We already have a major deficit, we shouldn't be adding anything to the budget until it is balanced. I know where this going "tax the rich! tax the rich!" well, you can go ahead. Let me just remind you, this isn't the post-WWII decades where every other country is either destroyed, communist or both. All of these countries have rebuilt and China, India and Russia have become free market, when you start treating the investors and big business like shit, guess what they are going to do? Yes that's right, out source, so then all that capital and jobs leaves and goes to a competitor.
More false premises. 1. We have one of the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the world. Closing loopholes and raising taxes the suggested 3% would not change this. 2. Fine, leave. Find quality labor in another country if you think you can. Spend the extra X on shipping to the U.S. instead of making things locally. News flash, Atlas Shrugs is utter bullshit. Any company that leaves there are 10 that are happy to take its place. The U.S. is the best place in the world to be in business unless you want to run a sweat shop, and I don't want any sweat shops in America.
And none of that has anything to do with the Affordable Care Act anyway. Insuring more people means less people waiting until they are dying to see a doctor. Treating people before they are almost dead is way cheaper. It saves money for rich people, poor people, and everyone in between. More important it saves more lives. The only people who have a legitimate reason, one based in reality and not fantasy, to not like the bill are insurance companies. Insurance companies are a huge part of the problem though, so fuck them. They've driven up costs to more than double per capita what any other country pays and they work harder to not cover the ill than they do to find treatment. Why would anyone care if they lose a couple million of their billions because they can't rip people off any more?
False equivalence. The right goes after the left for things like having sex and being born in Kenya. The left goes after the right for things like lying about WMDs to start a war. And it is a different tone with Obama.
Because no one criticized Bush for being the "dumb Texan" president who can't read. No one ever accused Reagan of being a racist. Stop acting like Obama is the first president to be criticized over false and trivial things.
And the right would do themselves a whole lot of good if instead of letting this type of thing go on to keep that constituency happy, they instead did what McCain did in the 08 election when the crazy lady with the crazy hair said Obama wasn't a citizen in the debates.
The Republicans are acting like Democrats. The average voter is fuck stupid, just accept it, so that's why you have Palin saying he's not a citizen and Biden saying that "they gonna but ya'll back in chains"
Its not an isolated issue with Obama being black, its what happens it Republics where most voters spend about 5 minutes "thinking" about each election.
I don't consider acknowledgment of a historical landmark "special treatment." Whether it is embarrassing that it took until 2008 for a black person to be seriously considered for the presidency, or a milestone, is debatable. It is one though, and that can be separated from consideration over his effectiveness I believe.
You act as if it was illegal for blacks to be elected. This might come as a shock to you, but African-Americans are a MINORITY, do you know what that means? Yes David, it means that they make up a smaller percentage of the population meaning that the chance of a black being elected is lower because there are significantly less blacks then whites. Is it racism? No, its demographics, if you have 100 people and only 20 of them are black, there is only a 20% chance of someone black even running for office, let alone being elected over policy.
You act as if every time a black man runs for office everyone just starts screaming the N word.
The first black senator did receive similar attacks. That more supports my and most people's theory that the "he's not American, not like us, different, etc" stems not from politics but from race though.
Actually, no it doesn't. Back then it did, considering the civil war was not even a decade ago and there was VERY high racial tensions. Obama is not considered to be "one of us" because his views isolate most people, seriously, only 1 third of the voting population supported him in the election.
You missed the point by quoting a portion. His leniency on marijuana was the point, and the secondary point is that portion is not covered in right media. The libertarians whose philosophies of freedom extend to gays is not a large portion of that segment of the right wing for some reason, but any "credit" they may give Obama I've not heard.
1. Stop assuming that the entire right is Libertarian. Being Libertarian basically boils down to being Socially Liberal and Fiscally conservative. Stop confusing us with establishment Republicans that are against gay marriage and drugs, nothing pisses us off more! It would be like you saying "I'm a member of the justice party" and then me acting as if you were an establishment Democrat.
2.When it comes to real Libertarians almost all of the are either for gay marriage or share Ron Paul's view which was more or less just this: I think marriage is between man and a women, but why does the government have a say in who you can and can't marry?
We have one of the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the world. Closing loopholes and raising taxes the suggested 3% would not change this. 2. Fine, leave. Find quality labor in another country if you think you can.
Apparently they can, if they couldn't, India, China and Russia wouldn't be getting all our jobs.
Spend the extra X on shipping to the U.S. instead of making things locally. News flash, Atlas Shrugs is utter bullshit. Any company that leaves there are 10 that are happy to take its place.
Oh god, you still think its 1950. If there are 10 happy to take its place, then why aren't we seeing an influx of business? Why is everyone leaving? Why are people investing more and more in China, Russia and India instead of America?
You try and open up a business in China or Russia, the government meets you at the airport, finds you some workers and welcomes you. You try to open up a business in America, you fill out a ton of paperwork, wait a few months or years (in California it takes 2-5 years to start a business on average) then the government starts over regulating you and then on your way home you have a bunch of hipsters saying that you need to pay for all their stuff.
Most investors will choose China or Russia.
When Obama does this investors take their capital and job creation to China and Russia.
The U.S. is the best place in the world to be in business unless you want to run a sweat shop, and I don't want any sweat shops in America.
Yeah, and then people like you consider everything that isn't "fair" to be a sweat shop. This creates a permanent under class that is dependent on government. For those who aren't to bright and aren't to skilled, there are always low level jobs that they can work heir way up from, but where are they? Oh yeah, I forgot, you drove them over seas. Congrats, some hipster can make some face book status about fairness and everyone who would have worked those jobs is now unemployed, good job.
Although sweat shops are bad, they are not as bad as you make them out to be. Seriously, China was a country of starving illiterates, then the "Communist" party opens up the free market, sweat shops open and up and suddenly China has the fastest growing economy and middle class in the world. A hard, low paying job that gives you work skills is better than no job and some foods stamps.
And none of that has anything to do with the Affordable Care Act anyway.
In a sense it does. Medicare is expensive and low quality, now you use the same system on the entire population... good job, you have now made the budget even more unbalance, cause congress to borrow more, the Federal Reserve to print more and for taxes to inevitably have to go up even more.
It saves money for rich people, poor people, and everyone in between.
How so? Because it insurances no longer have to compete, raising their quality and lowering their prices? Doesn't sound like very much "saving" is going on there.
The only people who have a legitimate reason, one based in reality and not fantasy, to not like the bill are insurance companies. Insurance companies are a huge part of the problem though, so fuck them.
If you don't like them, then don't buy their insurance. If you are unhappy with a business you don't lobbying congress to run them out of business (unless you're a real asshole) you simply say "I no longer wish to purchase your product/service, after I pay my next bill I am done with your business." Was that hard? Nope.
They've driven up costs to more than double per capita what any other country pays and they work harder to not cover the ill than they do to find treatment. Why would anyone care if they lose a couple million of their billions because they can't rip people off any more?
Is it just me, or are democrats economically illiterate? Don't like the product or service? No? THEN DON'T FUCKING BUY IT!
If you don't like one company, go to another, if you decide it is better to not use any of them, that's fine to.
Because no one criticized Bush for being the "dumb Texan" president who can't read. No one ever accused Reagan of being a racist. Stop acting like Obama is the first president to be criticized over false and trivial things.
It's more than being criticized over trivial things though. No one questions a "dumb Texan who can't read's" patriotism, citizenship, or right to be president. There's a huge difference between parodying or making fun of a president and cultivating fear for the union and unabashed hatred based on a strawman or an imaginary character sitting in an empty chair at the RNC.
You act as if it was illegal for blacks to be elected. This might come as a shock to you, but African-Americans are a MINORITY, do you know what that means? Yes David, it means that they make up a smaller percentage of the population meaning that the chance of a black being elected is lower because there are significantly less blacks then whites. Is it racism? No, its demographics, if you have 100 people and only 20 of them are black, there is only a 20% chance of someone black even running for office, let alone being elected over policy.
You act as if every time a black man runs for office everyone just starts screaming the N word.
That's not even close to how I act. I simply better understand the deep racial divide sown into the conscious of our country. It doesn't mean it's as bad as the 60's or 50's or 40's or the 1800's, but pretending it does not exist today means you're blind to much of reality and it's hard to have a clear view of our society if you are not taking it into account.
Actually, no it doesn't. Back then it did, considering the civil war was not even a decade ago and there was VERY high racial tensions. Obama is not considered to be "one of us" because his views isolate most people, seriously, only 1 third of the voting population supported him in the election.
Utter bullshit. Percentage wise he had more votes than both of the last Republican presidents. The only people who feel "isolated" due to "his views" are idiots on the far right whose only idea of what "his views" are come from far right sources that do shit like yell at empty chairs at the RNC.
1. Stop assuming that the entire right is Libertarian. Being Libertarian basically boils down to being Socially Liberal and Fiscally conservative. Stop confusing us with establishment Republicans that are against gay marriage and drugs, nothing pisses us off more! It would be like you saying "I'm a member of the justice party" and then me acting as if you were an establishment Democrat.
From what I've seen the only time "libertarians" vote or voice their opinion is when it is inline with the right. Libertarians will go to anti-Obama gun rallies in hordes, not a one will be represented at a gay rights protest. Like it or not, that is Libertarian. You want people to start thinking differently about that segment of the Republican party? Well, stop marching in step with them on everything.
2.When it comes to real Libertarians almost all of the are either for gay marriage or share Ron Paul's view which was more or less just this: I think marriage is between man and a women, but why does the government have a say in who you can and can't marry?
Exactly. So why bother doing anything if it's just gay people's rights? Oh wait, they want us to have five less bullets in our gun!!!? Time to start talking about cession again!
It's a fucking media stunt. It's a way of pretending "hey, I'm not a nerdy republican stuck in the past" while still being stuck in the past when it comes to actual action on anything.
Apparently they can, if they couldn't, India, China and Russia wouldn't be getting all our jobs.
They aren't getting all of our jobs, they're getting a handful of our crappy jobs no one wants, and they are only getting those because of republican policies that reward corporations that move over seas and because of decades of republican and democratic rollbacks on import taxation. Charge equivalent duties to every other nation on earth and not only will those jobs come back, we can actually raise the minimum wage so people who work 40hrs+ per week don't need the welfare the right is always crying about.
Oh god, you still think its 1950. If there are 10 happy to take its place, then why aren't we seeing an influx of business? Why is everyone leaving? Why are people investing more and more in China, Russia and India instead of America?
See above. And yeah there are at least ten. If McDonalds or Walmart shut their doors tomorrow not a person in the U.S. will want for cheap products or fast food. Not a single one. The right needs to quit treating every company like a deity. Some are okay, some are fucking awful, and maybe 1/1,000 is the least bit special.
You try and open up a business in China or Russia, the government meets you at the airport, finds you some workers and welcomes you. You try to open up a business in America, you fill out a ton of paperwork, wait a few months or years (in California it takes 2-5 years to start a business on average) then the government starts over regulating you and then on your way home you have a bunch of hipsters saying that you need to pay for all their stuff.
So you think America should find companies slave labor like Russia and China? Libertarian must = freedom for Ltd, fuck the people, put them in chains! And your exaggerating to a retarded extent. Have you ever tried to start a business? Even in CA? You can do it in an afternoon unless you are trying to get some kind of special treatment or doing something you need special permits for. And if you are a company complaining about regulations I can only assume you are doing shit like throwing your waste in the local water supply and putting cabbage with Salmonella on grocery store counters. Do shit the right way and the regulations aren't a problem.
Yeah, and then people like you consider everything that isn't "fair" to be a sweat shop. This creates a permanent under class that is dependent on government. For those who aren't to bright and aren't to skilled, there are always low level jobs that they can work heir way up from, but where are they? Oh yeah, I forgot, you drove them over seas. Congrats, some hipster can make some face book status about fairness and everyone who would have worked those jobs is now unemployed, good job.
Real simple solution then, pay fair wages and charge comparable import taxes. Problem solved. Hipsters are happy and there are more jobs in America.
What creates a permanent underclass is when you lower wages then take away public schools so even the kids can't rise above their parents economic status... which is the direct result of conservative fiscal policies of pay the people less so they can work at more shitty jobs that don't pay enough to live, give giant companies who move jobs overseas huge incentive to move more jobs overseas, oh yeah, also now that you have all these great jobs that don't pay the bills, we're going to make you pay for school out of your pocket.
Although sweat shops are bad, they are not as bad as you make them out to be. Seriously, China was a country of starving illiterates, then the "Communist" party opens up the free market, sweat shops open and up and suddenly China has the fastest growing economy and middle class in the world. A hard, low paying job that gives you work skills is better than no job and some foods stamps.
Wtf? Fuck that. 1. China is full of shit about their middle class. There is no middle class in China. That's propaganda. 2. People don't work in those places by choice, they do so because they have to. People should not have to work in those conditions. Companies should be made to compete for labor, not labor competing for companies. This is what creates a middle, which is what drives economies, which ironically is what actually makes businesses rich if they could see past their next quarter returns for five minutes.
In a sense it does. Medicare is expensive and low quality, now you use the same system on the entire population... good job, you have now made the budget even more unbalance, cause congress to borrow more, the Federal Reserve to print more and for taxes to inevitably have to go up even more.
Completely false. Medicare is far more cost effective than any private insurance. And it is of equal quality. They see the same doctors and go to the same hospitals as the average joe with insurance. The fact, fact fact fucking fact is that every single country in the world with not-for-profit healthcare spends less money on healthcare and has better healthcare. That is a fact. The reason is because a for-profit system for something which is a necessity is a assbackwards poor way to do things. You and prayerfails are always talking about "coercion" but when it is private insurance doing this you are all for it. That's what it is. No one is going to be on their deathbed and say "ah shoot, that's too pricey, guess I'll just die" and we shouldn't want them to. So insurance is able to charge whatever the hell they want and if they can't pay it, which they can't, it comes out of the taxes we pay anyway, but with a huge markup.
So insurance had their chance for decades and turns out they are greedy assholes who don't mind if a few tens-of-thousands of people die each year if they can charge a little more, be a little more exclusive, decide at the last minute not to cover this or that treatment, then stick the rest of the country with the bill when hospitals have the choice of letting someone die or giving them the treatment they need to live but that isn't covered and that they can't afford.
So instead, you make sure as many people are insured as possible so far fewer people get in that expensive life and death situation, you cap what insurance can charge, you determine, since it's a necessity not a luxury that only X% can be profit, and tada, you save more people, all healthcare goes down for everyone since now more people are covered and they are healthier overall, and the poor poor insurance companies only make a few billion in profit instead of a hundred billion.
I prefer a universal system, but this at least is better.
also delighted hes at least fighting for tighter gun laws, better enforced and hopefully getting the military style asault weapons from our streets. also obama understands his healthcare bill has more chance of finding and helping these mental health issues which sees these maniacs grab a gun and kill innocent people. its a sick joke that the far right are suddenly demanding help for mental health issues, this takes government involvement to weed out the millions with mental health issues in such a massive nation of 330 million is beyond the private sector, it takes government and it takes taxes. something the far right wont pay.
great post I agree 100% obamas healthcare is probably the greatest bill since the declaration of independence was scripted
americans die on average 10 years younger than some other poorer nations, the US is around 47th if the life expectancy list. this healthcare for the 50 poorest is moral its right and it will make america better stronger healthier and more united long term. bravo to obama for being brave enough to do the right thing even in the midst of the biggest recession in 80 years
Starting now,Hellno, you are my ally. Obama is not one of the greatest leaders, not by a long shot. What about George Washington? If you live in the US,you would now that Mr.Washington led our country into independence. Get your facts right "truthteller"
what do you think people should live in a peaceful world?
As you know George Washington is cruel man who did a lot of bad things in order to be success, to get high position? you know that a lot of people died from Washington?
Most people from Iran and Irak suffered more distress and you can not imanige that situation. What about The Twin Towers? maybe you think that that accident was by muslin people? NO, IT WAS NOT! of course Washington did it in order to substitute muslim men
my facts are 100% accurate....washington was great, obviously hard to compare etc washington was an all time legend. but circumstances were way different. what obamas had to handle is unprecedented since world war 2 and possibly the worst times of vietnam and nixon was a disgrace. obama has to deal with 2 wars, middle east in chaos, 24 hour news, the biggest economic crash in 80 years. global terrorism bigger than ever, drugs rife, illegal immigration, global warming, overpopulation, guantanamo bay, 50 million uninsured americans, collapse of the banking sector, collapse of property secotr, collapse of industrial sector, a congress that saw republicans block almost every bill, 11000 gun murders a year and of course the murdoch empire spreading their endless lies etc
Most humans wouldnt have a prayer of handling any of this.
Obama has handled it with aplomb and with dignity imho
he US economy is growing faster than all of europe. despite the fact bush dragged america into 2 unwinnable wars. obama has in effect ended both. he also was way more successful in talking out ghadaffi, bin laden and 100s of terrorist leaders
Bush already had withdraw plans for Iraq, Obama just carried them out. As for Afghanistan... that's still going on. Also Obama didn't kill Osama that was the CIA operatives who tracked him down and American troops didn't kill Ghadaffi, he was captured by rebels and sodomized and killed.
Listen up people: OBAMA. DID. NOT. CREATE. FIVE. MILLION. JOBS.
That number of "5 million jobs" comes from the Keynesian Multiplier formula, which basically boils down to: More government spending = more jobs
Its a discredited formula that isn't used in real calculations.
hes clearly explained how he has built growth and jobs and infrastructure and reduced military spending and how this will in time redu ce the 16 trillion debt.
The Military budget (which includes all veterans benefits, wars, foreign aid and army spending) makes up 20% of the budget, even if you cut the ENTIRE military budget, the Federal budget would still be unbalanced.
with the healthcare bill and the tighter gun laws and bans on automatics
There is no such thing as gun control. To take away guns, you need guns to disarm citizens, there is no gun control, just centralized guns where only the government (who has a great record of brutality, war and shootings) has guns. Under the US occupation of Iraq families were allowed to own automatic weapons legally, on America soil no citizen is allowed to own an automatic weapon for any reason, that speaks volumes.
ok mr pedant obama helped create 5 million plus private jobs, he helped reduce debt to gdp ratio from 3.59 to 3.26 the most vital economic improvement of all....he helpes america grow at a faster rate than any european nation...There is such a thing as gun control , many guns are banned and many checks are in place, clearly they all must be tightened up and all military style assault weapons must be banned. romney wanted bigger government with regards military and 2 trillion more government spending on military? in a recession? with 16 trillion debts he wanted to spend more money on war? he didnt have a clue where to find it...the US already has a military bigger than the next 10 biggest countries combined. increasing it by a further 2 trillion would have been insane.
ok mr pedant obama helped create 5 million plus private jobs
No he didn't. That whole 5 million+ jobs is from Keynesian multiplier which has been totally discredited.
the most vital economic improvement of all....he helpes america grow at a faster rate than any european nation...
He didn't really "help" us grow to at a rate. In case you haven't looked at Europe, its first on the chopping block for economic collapse.
PS: Russia's economy is expanding faster than ours.
There is such a thing as gun control , many guns are banned and many checks are in place, clearly they all must be tightened up and all military style assault weapons must be banned.
Military assault weapon is a meaningless term. Two guns can have the exact same clip size, firing rate and action type but one will be illegal and one won't purely because of the way they look. Its based on appearance, not the actual gun itself.
And you there is no such thing as gun control, just changing who has them. You need guns to confiscate guns and you need guns to enforce the gun control laws. There will still be guns, just not in the hands of average, law-abiding citizens.
romney wanted bigger government with regards military and 2 trillion more government spending on military? in a recession? with 16 trillion debts he wanted to spend more money on war? he didnt have a clue where to find it...
I don't support Romney, I never did. Romney and Obama's policies are shockingly similar.
the US already has a military bigger than the next 10 biggest countries combined.
Yes, America has the largest Military budget in the world (with veterans benefits and foreign aid included. The current wars make up about 20% of it) but even if you cut the ENTIRE military, the budget would still be unbalanced. And Obama keeps on increasing spending.
He prolonged the depression, yes depression not recession, the US's economic state more closely resembles a depression then a recession. He might be one of the greatest liars, and racial and economical class dividers in history, but yes keep blaming bush!
No he didn't. Look at Europe. Our economy has recovered faster than any economy in the world. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
And of course you blame bush for the recession, it was his policies. It is democratic policies which are pulling us out of it, and the only reason it has taken longer than anyone would like is because the right wants to go back to the policies which got us into the mess... the bush policies.
Das hammer youre wrong Im afraid. Its not even a recession anymore as hes grown the conomy and jobs consistently for the past few years... obama grew the US economy quicker than any european nation for 4 straight years. obama helped create over 5 million private jobs, he cut over 500,000 government jobs...he was way way more effective in ensuring each financial institution paid back every cent on time aftet the bail outs, some of which bush passed before leaving office....
obama has reformed the system, the taxes too, hes fined corrupt corporates billions , BP $25 billion, even goldman sachs had a $550 million fine...hes lowered taxes on the poorer and the small businesses which is where the majority of new jobs are created, hes raised taxes on the millionaires by 5% which is fair (though many still are either tax exiles or find loopholes)
hes cut military spending, hes found a lot of waste in the system too...hes not a socialist, hes not a communist, hes a middle of the road man who has used patience and intelligent and actual listening skills to go through this disatrous US economy to make decisions that will benefit us all long term, give it fairness and balance and healthcare to the 50 million poorest. (and no crucifying those with pre-existing conditions either)
The only way that will happen is if enough republicans are elected. You'll notice the majority of experts, and all experts not in the pocket of some right wing think tank funded by the Koke brothers, agree that the economy is and has been getting better for four years now.
I admit it is getting better. But it doesn't matter whether it was Republican or Democrat. The mood of the nation shifted, which makes the market shift. But with current situations and the debt, it may get worse. Here is what some are predicting. The Euro zone collapses, nixing the Euro from the market. The currency many will fall back on will be the dollar. Our economy will be aboomin'! Our dollar will skyrocket in value and every American will be happy. However, now with the markets in Europe shattered, the only markets will be Asia and North America. Here is where some disagree. Asia controls almost all of our debt, and they will want it paid in full. We probably won't be able to since we will be still recovering our own economy. Dollar goes down and shit hits the fan. Others think that after this boom, the dollar will start on a downward trend due to a desperate global economy. Then we are back to square one, and even worse off. That is the fear some have.
The Euro zone collapses, nixing the Euro from the market.
There is no indication it will completely collapse, though some of the countries like Greece are in for a long long recovery. Some countries are improving nearly on U.S. pace though, most of the strong ones like Germany, England and France.
Asia controls almost all of our debt, and they will want it paid in full.
It's really sad that the right continues to spread this blatant lie for the sole purpose of ginning up fear. The fact is we control most of our debt. Here are the facts about our debt:
1. Most of it is debt we owe to ourselves, not to foreign countries, and this makes our debt situation much much different than most of Europe and nearly every other country in the world.
2. Asia can't ask what small percent of our debt we owe them all at once because their economy depends on us. There is no Asian country that can survive financially without the U.S. Consciously doing anything to "destroy" our economy would hurt them worse than us. Plus, we can actually pay all of that debt pretty easily.
3. While the trillions number and the ticking clock are all super scary and make everyone want to pee pee their pants, the truth is that number is around 42% of our GDP... our yearly GDP. That is the lowest debt to GDP ratio of any first world country in the world.
Debt is not now and never has been a real problem. Might it be someday? Maybe if our GDP drastically decreases, but on the list of things affecting the U.S. economy, our debt is toward the bottom.
Now Im just saying what others have stated. It does not reflect my opinion on the matter. And I'd like to see your sources. Mine were from Elliot Wave.
Well, if your scenario were accurate that is one of many viable outcomes, pretty far fetched from where we are at it seems to me. I mean I see ads and predictions and whatnot all the time from everyone from gold buyers and sellers to conspiracy-driven born again groups that setup scenarios where Russia rises to power and starts WWIII, to Obama somehow magically stays president and crowns himself king in 2016, and they all then tell you to either find Jesus or buy gold or you're going to die or whatever. It doesn't seem realistic at all.
As our economy improves more people will make more money and this will, by itself, drive down the deficit because less people need assistance and more people are paying taxes and buying things. I don't believe there is going to be any dramatic event which spirals the world into 1930s type depression. We're on our way out, there's no reason to think we'll suddenly go the other direction.
Focus should be on that, and that may even require spending. Deficit is a symptom not a cause. Treating symptoms doesn't solve the problem. Sometimes when you want to protect yourself from the flu you inject a little flu in your arm in the short-term, that's how recession spending works. It's a flu shot.
Retarded. Please get out of here. Look at many other leaders, Winston Churchil, Abraham Lincolin, George Washington, and Techumseh were all better than him.
and look what the rich did to lincoln? incidentally whilst churchilll is the greatest war leader in history, and next to lloyd george the greatest orator, his domestic record wasnt great to say the least and he was booted after the war too. Obama has made fundamental change. talk about brave, he decided to insure 50 million poorest americans, in the start of the biggest recession in 80- years and in the middle of 2 unwinnable world wars.
You look away at many facts, insureing those americans is ruining out country. Along with Obama care. The wars are unwinable is because he is makeing it seem that way. We can win them if he sent in more men. The troops would shut down one insurrection in the area then the area they just cleared would be filled with Al'Quida again.
no the wars are unwinnable because george bush got us into them with no clear objective in sight. bush also lost all legitimacy and created millions mor eenemies and made the world a more dangerous place. he also failed to find the people he was looking for unlike obama, who has been left to clear up bush's unholy mess
You guys are blind. Obama is just another puppet. The exact same as Bush, but with charisma and charm. I can guarantee you 100% that if somebody else had been elected the exact same chain of events would occurred. Republicans and Democrats = Bad cop and Good cop.
Nope. He's okay, brilliant at swaying public opinion, but not really that great. All the big coorporations have strings tied, and the war in the middle east is definitly a bad idea.
If he is Okay as you said, why people suffer from The USA? They do not like him, you know why?
I live in another country and i know better than you the sutiation in the USA. A lot of people and it does not matter american they are or not, they hate Obama, because he promised a lot of things but he did not do anything to implement in reality. It is just a empty word which will not come true with him..
He has achieved an awful lot in a virtually impossible situation...His second term will see greater progress in social mobility, healthcare of the nation, world standing, fewer wars, fewer enemies, wealth will be spread more fairly.....he wont pander to corporations the way bush did....he will fight to reduce the horrific spate of gun murders and ban assault style weapons too.....this will also take tax payers money for the state to invest in mental health issues...the private secotr simply cannot cover all of mental health for 330 million
obamas actions prove he cares profoudnly about the long term well being of america...what he did for the autom motor industry was awesome. Im a right wing republican but I backed obama against the worst republican party in history.
Oh he's great alright. He's great at leaving American ambasoters to die, he's great at passing unpopular laws, he's great at raising both our taxes and our national debt at the same time and he's really REALLY great ant not creating any new jobs at all
Hes fought hard to get bills passed to get the poorest 50 million healthcare , even those with pre-existing conditions. this is the bets and most moral bill in american history. it was mainly unpopular with the mega rich corporations who own many news networks and used this and their power to destroy the bill. but justice prevailed and obama fought for one of the bravest bills in american history. americans die 10 years younger than some other poorer nations, obama wants to change this. what a phenomenally brave bill to fight for in the midst of the biggest recession in 80 years
other unpopular bills include the slow closure of guantanamo bay, the allowance of stem cell research, the saving of the auto industry, the billions of dollars rightly fining of massive corporate corruption, the investment in infrastructure and roads , the nuclear disarmourment programmes etc
hes toppled 100s of terrorists and terrorists leaders, hes ended the iraq war and afghanistan to follow
hes only raised taxes on the richest americans, which is morally right, especially as the american stock market has doubled in value under obama so corporate profits are up, they should pay more and hes also closed some of the endless tax loopholes for millionaires
he HAS created over 5 million jobs in the past 3 years...the debt to gdp ratio has fallen from 3.59 to 3.26 a big fall....hes slashed millitary state spending by 2 trillion compared to the republicans..hes grown the economy steadily for 3 years, hes creatred the majority of new jobs in small to medium businesses...hes delayed debt repayment whilst america grows faster than all of europe , so now its strongf enough to afford some tax rises to pay off debt....hiw quality overseas leadership has meant he will also same trillions on military which will reduce the debts too
hes also slashed 500,000 government jobs to create pver 5 million private, so hes also no socialist. hes middle of the road and balanced.
unemployment has fallen steadily since bush from 10.5% to 7.7% this has been steady but its all long term with obama his legacy will last a 100 years
Hey I just know what I see and what I see is unemployment is up our debt has quadrupled and 4 Americans where left to die at Benghazi. Yes he gave the order for the seals to kill Osama after the CIA found him but so what that's what he was supposed to do I'm not going to praise his name for saying the right word. As far as I'm concerned he has shown blatant disregard for our constitution and our Republican proses I say Republican instead of democratic because we are a Republic not a Democracy. But anyway yeah screw Obama
youre lying. the debt was 10.5 trillion in 2008 but bush already passed 2 trillion in bail outs, so thats 12.5 trillion he was also in the middle of 2 uneinnable wars which costs 100s of billions and also lost the propoganda war which emboldened our enemies and mulitplied the number of terrorists out to get us...this was also down the the lies about weapons of mass destruction
obama has taken unemployment down from 10.5% to 7.9% hes created over 5 million private jobs and cut over 500,000 public jobs.
he has overseen the american stock market double in value in his 4 years too...hes withdrawn from these 2 wars, he been 100% more effective with foreign policy than bush, hes got the terrorist leaders, got bin laden and ghadaffi, taken out the troops, spending 2 trillion less than republicans on military waste too and hes also more respected worldwide and brought us in america more respect
hes saved the auto motor industry, gm and chrysler are back at the very top of the world...saving a million jobs ....hes reinvested in infrastructure and roads and education, science and technology, stem cell research, clean energy, and healthcare for 50 million poorest....these will ALL benefit our great nation again....he is NOT a socialist or a communist, nor is he a slave to corporate greed as hes fined the corporate crooks 100s of millions including british petroleum $25 billion in one go
he is a man who is looking at the long term well being of america....retail sales are up, hes created the majority of new jobs in the small to medium businesses, where hes reduced taxes and regulations...but tighten regulations for the biggest corporattions who have gotten away with murder for years.
the us debt to gdp has fallen a huge amount from 3.59 to 3.26 this means our economy is way stronger and more ready to pay off debts too..america has grown at 2.5% a year on average thats way more than every european nation
hes a very smart decent intelligent man who has brought balance and long term investment back into america.....the american dream is not that corporate greed can own 99% of our wealth and get bailed out by government if they fail....the american dream is that anyone can make it to the top through sheer talent, honesty, hard work and dedication...long may that dream prosper!
Wow the delusion is strong with this one. At the beginning of Obamas first turm in office unemployment was at 6.5% at the height of his first turm it was at 9.5% and its still above that now. the national debt I higher now than when bush left office not lower. Gas prices have only gone up. No to mention he is anti business hence hi "you didn't build that line" and pro union he's even admitted that. And no he has not withdrawn from any war we are still fighting in Afghanistan if you haven't noticed and the forces he "withdrew" from Iraq they just went to Afghanistan so we are still paying just as much but for only one war now well I guess that's some how different. Obamas greatest strength is that he's a masterful politician his greatest weakness is that he's a horrible president.
