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Obama's New Gun Measures Wouldn't Stop Mass Shooters
The gun control measures a tearful President Barack Obama announced Tuesday would not have prevented the slaughters of 20 first-graders at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, or 14 county workers at a holiday party in San Bernardino, California.
Obama's executive action expands mandatory background checks to gun shows, flea markets and online sales, adds more than 230 examiners and staff to help process them and calls on states to submit accurate and updated criminal history data.
Those measures are seen as crucial to stemming gun suicides — the cause of two-thirds of gun deaths — by blocking immediate access to weapons. But, an Associated Press review shows, they would have had no impact in keeping weapons from the hands of suspects in several of the deadliest recent mass shootings that have spurred calls for tighter gun control.
The shooters at Sandy Hook and San Bernardino used weapons bought by others, shielding them from background checks. In other cases, the shooters legally bought guns.
What is the purpose for the Idiot in Chief's new gun control measures if they don't work for mass shooters ?
These gun laws will stop few suicides. If they can't get a gun, they will kill themselves another way.
So true. Australia saw non gun suicides go way up when the confiscated all guns.
How do you feel about Obama's remarks about Connecticut and Missouri?
"He says that in Connecticut, gun deaths dropped 40 percent after the state began requiring background checks and gun safety courses — while in Missouri, gun deaths rose to almost 50 percent above the national average after the state repealed gun control laws on background checks and permits."
Obama is the king of cherry picking numbers to get his agendas passed. I do not believe a thing out of his mouth. After he lied through his teeth about Obamacare, I wrote him off as a total corrupt idiot.
These gun laws will stop few suicides. If they can't get a gun, they will kill themselves another way.
Actually, that's wrong. They may try, but that doesn't mean they'll be successful.
Handguns aren't the most common method of suicide, but they are the most lethal. 85% of attempted suicides with handguns are successful. The most common method of suicide, drug overdose, is only lethal 3% of the time.
Just like killers who kill with knives, hammers, cars, bombs, etc. etc.
it is far harder to kill someone, especially multiple people, with a knife or hammer than it is with a gun.
Obama and the Democrat party are total control fanatics wanting to take our guns one step at a time so they can control the masses. THAT'S IT!
If the masses didn't have guns, do you really think that would enable the democrats to control them? How are guns preventing the government from controlling the masses right now?
Well, one would have to be able to reason an use their brain to understand how the Governments in many other nations control the people. Ask arabs who are not allowed guns how their controling Government controls them such as Hussein, Assad, Gadafi, etc. etc.
North Korea strictly prohibits the use, ownership, manufacture, or distribution of firearms by any citizen not serving in the military or special sectors of the government "executing official duties." Anyone in violation of firearms laws are subject to "stern consequences."
According to experts, gun laws were tightened by the late Kim Jong Il towards the end of his reign in an act to ensure control of society and maintain order for the eventual succession of his son Kim Jong Un.
Please don't waste my time denying the obvious because I will ignore.
The North Korea comparison is an extreme example. There is not going to be a dictator of the United States. There are more Republicans in the White House than Democrats. Don't be cynical.
Banning guns worked in loads of places. Still, we won't ban guns for a long time. We need to try to make sure only the right people have guns. Those tears Obama shed weren't fake. He is angry that what has been proven to work isn't being accepted. I'm not calling Republicans heartless, because they also don't want gun deaths. But many think the right to freedom includes having access to killing machines.
North Korea and the USA can't be compared. We have a democracy. The majority of the country wants to make stricter gun laws, but that won't happen without ACTION. At least Obama is doing something. Liberals have proven solutions, but conservatives don't think it is as big of a problem as it really is.
By the time you read this, someone probably died by gun violence, and it could have been prevented if the gun wasn't sold in the first place.
I see your argument, you are scared of dictatorship. But that shouldn't be your biggest fear. Neither should ISIS. Your biggest fear should be domestic violence, in your state or hometown.
By the time you read this, many more people will have died from alcohol related deaths. Can you even grasp the hypocrisy and double standard? Oh, I foget, drinking is socially acceptable no matter how many people die.
By the time you read this, someone probably died by gun violence, and it could have been prevented if the gun wasn't sold in the first place.
How many people died by gun violence with a legally acquired gun? Many guns used to commit gun violence were acquired illegally.
The majority of the country wants to make stricter gun laws, but that won't happen without ACTION.
The majority of the country wants stricter gun laws because they don't think illegal sales are covered by current law. The illegal sales are already covered. You are right. We need action. The action involves enforcing the current laws.
Obviously illegal guns are used to kill much more than legal guns. But we can't control who gets illegal guns very easily. We are the ones who control access to legal guns. And I agree with you, we need to enforce the current laws. But we also have to ensure that everyone who gets a gun legally is not unstable because if they are, giving them a gun will be a very strong temptation for them.
People need guns to protect themselves, but people shouldn't be scared of getting shot when they walk in an alleyway. Guns are to keep the cougars out of the property, and to get the robber. They are not tools to relieve your anger or confusion in order to make yourself feel better.
People get guns to keep the safe if they are attacked, If they are illegal they wouldn't. When people are angry, they lose their self control and act on impulse. If they know they have a gun in their cabinet, they will take it and shoot themselves or others. These aren't normal people, they are certain disabled people.
Won't this lower gun deaths, specifically suicides (I think it is mainly for suicides)
If that is true, why are so many illegal guns in circulation?
When people are angry, they lose their self control and act on impulse.
Those people are probably not disqualified from guns with the new measures.
If they know they have a gun in their cabinet, they will take it and shoot themselves or others.
This has nothing to do with background checks. They would have passed the background check. The gun is already in the cabinet.
Won't this lower gun deaths, specifically suicides (I think it is mainly for suicides)
I am not sure. Your examples have nothing to do with the Obama executive orders. Are you talking about a full gun ban? That's the only way to keep the gun out of the safe/cabinet to begin with.
So, criminals will still have guns and you will only disarm the law abiding citizens. Why is this a good thing?
Because some of the law-abiding citizens are depressed or mentally disabled and suddenly go from normal people to school shooters.
So, why are the new gun measures good if the people you want to disqualify aren't disqualified?
Because I also want the suicidal people to be discouraged from using a gun. It is a first step.
So, you admit that it is Bernie Sanders that would fix the system and not Obama.
Well... you never know. If mass shootings decrease starting today, it may be possible that Obama's order worked. If not, it may be too late for Obama. Obama would try to pass more meaningful laws if he could, but congress didn't want to compromise. Bernie Sander's doesn't give a shit about congress :p
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make itwidely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
How would having a gun stop the government from controlling us, if they so wished? Our military is massive. The government has drones. If they were trying to control us, guns would be a very ineffective method of defense, and would almost certainly end up hurting more civilians than the government.
Those countries you mentioned wouldn't suddenly be free from oppression if they all had guns. And if you disagree with me on that point, I'd love to hear why.
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I'm still curious on your thoughts on suicide. You initially said These gun laws will stop few suicides. If they can't get a gun, they will kill themselves another way.
And, I just don't see how that is exactly true. Guns are more successfully lethal than any other common method of suicide. They aren't the most attempted method, but they are the most lethal.
You say .....Well, one would have to be able to reason an use their brain to understand how the Governments in many other nations control the people. Ask arabs who are not allowed guns how their controling Government controls them such as Hussein, Assad, Gadafi, etc. etc......
What a load of nonsense I live in a country where the majority of citizens do not own guns even the police force is unarmed , most people over here look at the US in astonishment as ridiculous nonsense is constantly spouted about citizens rights to own a firearm , guns have and should have no part in a so called civilised society .
I'm gad you live in another nation. Your people have long ago given up your freedoms to your big controlling Government. Were it not for America and our guns, you would be communist today or living under a dictator.
Do you have people dieing from alcohol related deaths in your nation? The answer would be yes. So tell me why you are not astonished by the ridiculous nonsense constantly spouted about citizen's rights to drink alcohol in your nation.
Under the sick logic of people like you, alcohol should have no part in a so called civilized society.
It amazes me the hypocrisy and lunacy of the Left. In your twisted double standard, deaths from gun are bad but deaths from alcohol are ok.
I'm gad you live in another nation Your people have long ago given up your freedoms to your big controlling Government. Were it not for America and our guns, you would be communist today or living under a dictator......
You claim we have given up our freedoms over here ?
How's that ? please do explain oh wise one , also I would be a communist only for America ?
You're obviously one of those ill educated republican / religious American nut jobs .
Yes we have people who die from alcohol abuse and smoking related diseases what has that got to do with guns ?
Do you want to add gun deaths onto drink and smoking related deaths in my country ?
What a great idea introduce guns into all societies :)
You claim my logic is sick ? Yet in your opinion to arm everyone that's how you get a civilised society wow ?
I never said death from booze is ok and again what's that got to do with arming everyone ?
I should have known you could never put 2 and 2 together.
Let me explain it so even you can grasp the obvious point.
YOU WANT TO BAN GUNS BECAUSE THEY KILL PEOPLE!
YOU DON'T WANT TO BAN ALCOHOL EVEN THOUGH IT ALSO KILLS MANY PEOPLE.
Gee what have I missed? Oh thats right, you probably drink alcohol... NOW I GET IT.
You gave up your freedoms to have guns, that is what I am talking but. To all the hunters and those who want to protect their families, people like you sold them out by not standing up for your rights to protect yourselves. The cops only come after the killing is over with. How well did those people in the Concert in france do protecting themselves with no guns? The cops came after almost 100 people died! How can you be so blind to your brainwashing from the Left?
There is nothing hilarious about the simple truth. What kind of person could ever fear guns when the odds of dieing from a murderer with a gun is so minute to the odds of getting hit by a drunk driver. There is not one person I have ever met in my entire life that has been killed by a gun. I know penty that have been hit by drunk drivers.
You are brainwashed or unbelievably stupid. I could care less which it is.
You are correct, I would be an idiot to debate someone who doesn't even live in this nation. You are a moron to try and tell people in another nation that we shoud think like you. America is the gretest nation on this planet because we DON'T think like you.
You truly are a slack jawed yokel but I thank you for taking the time off your jug playing practice session to make your ” point “ , I do not , nor have I told Americans how to live I merely informed you that guns don't make society better .
America is the greatest nation in the world ?
So you define the greatest as in people like you who would vote comb - over Trump as president :) fucking hilarious .
I'm glad you didn't say America was the most powerful, as America has only ever won one war and if memory serves me that was in Greneda which is the size of my back garden .... round of applause and thank you for your service :)
Except they were successful when it happened in Australia.
Do you have any statistics on that? Just curious.
I am fairly certain that attempted suicides with handguns are more often successful than any other method.
It is also far harder to defend yourself when the person has a knife and you don't have a gun.
You could also defend yourself with a taser or other non-lethal weapon. Why do we need to use lethal force to defend ourselves? Especially if by providing those weapons we enable those will ill-intent.
People in the government can't go around rounding people up if that person can shoot at the official/soldier who is working for the government.
Except, like, the government has drones. And tons of things that could easily overpower almost anyone with a gun. Do you honestly think that if the government really wanted to round us up, they would fail, just because of guns?
I am fairly certain that attempted suicides with handguns are more often successful than any other method.
You could be interpreting the results backwards. The more determined suicidal people may just be choosing to use guns. If they weren't given that opportunity they would just be more successful with knives, drugs, etc.
You could also defend yourself with a taser or other non-lethal weapon. Why do we need to use lethal force to defend ourselves? Especially if by providing those weapons we enable those will ill-intent.
Simply because it works. Taking away the gun from the person who needs to defend themselves has led to more crimes committed against them.
Except, like, the government has drones. And tons of things that could easily overpower almost anyone with a gun.
My favorite anti gun/pro government ridiculous argument. "You can trust the government to protect you because they have the firepower to wipe you off the map." First, the government would have to rely on American soldiers to fire weapons at America. Not an easy task. Second, proposing to use drones to stop an uprising against an out of control government will only lead to more people joining the uprising. There are more gun owners than soldiers in the country. Third, your proposal involves massive amounts of collateral damage.
Do you honestly think that if the government really wanted to round us up, they would fail, just because of guns?
Absolutely they won't be able to round up the conservatives with guns. Maybe the liberals. Even you know they won't be able to round them up. Your counter argument didn't involve rounding up citizens, it involved using heavy artillery and drones. That's not rounding people up, that's killing them.
Okay. I did a little research and I'm not sure how accurate it is. This article cites a couple studies that suggested that while homocide rates may have not decreased, suicide rates did. But that was only about 5 minutes of research on my part, so I won't make any definitive statements yet.
You could be interpreting the results backwards. The more determined suicidal people may just be choosing to use guns. If they weren't given that opportunity they would just be more successful with knives, drugs, etc.
I'm not so sure. I was reading an article about suicide the other day talking about the reasons men and women have vastly different suicide rates (men die from suicide far more often than women) and a key reason is differing methods. Men are far more likely to use guns, and women are far more likely to use pills. I doubt that all women are simply less dedicated than men at the task. Other factors are almost certainly involved.
My favorite anti gun/pro government ridiculous argument. "You can trust the government to protect you because they have the firepower to wipe you off the map." First, the government would have to rely on American soldiers to fire weapons at America. Not an easy task. Second, proposing to use drones to stop an uprising against an out of control government will only lead to more people joining the uprising. There are more gun owners than soldiers in the country. Third, your proposal involves massive amounts of collateral damage.
Yes, that was a pretty weak argument on my part. I still find it highly unlikely that it would be impossible for the government to devise a plan to control the people that couldn't get around the fact that some of the people have guns.
Okay. I did a little research and I'm not sure how accurate it is. This article cites a couple studies that suggested that while homocide rates may have not decreased, suicide rates did. But that was only about 5 minutes of research on my part, so I won't make any definitive statements yet.
I'm not so sure. I was reading an article about suicide the other day talking about the reasons men and women have vastly different suicide rates (men die from suicide far more often than women) and a key reason is differing methods. Men are far more likely to use guns, and women are far more likely to use pills. I doubt that all women are simply less dedicated than men at the task. Other factors are almost certainly involved.
Men are far more likely to attempt suicide. If a group of people is more likely to attempt suicide, it makes sense that they would also be more motivated to commit suicide. Men being more committed to suicide decide to use guns.
I still find it highly unlikely that it would be impossible for the government to devise a plan to control the people that couldn't get around the fact that some of the people have guns.
You find it unlikely, but so far in history it has only been done on the unarmed.
Men are far more likely to attempt suicide. If a group of people is more likely to attempt suicide, it makes sense that they would also be more motivated to commit suicide. Men being more committed to suicide decide to use guns.
Actually, not necessarily.
Women are actually more prone to psychological disorders, including depression, than men. Mental health disorders tend to be 20 to 40% higher in women.
And this study found that 19% of women had thought about suicide to 14% of men, and 7% had attempted suicide to only 4% of men.
Possible explanations?
Yeah, men could be more intent on dying.
Studies have also shown that men tend to have more impulsive qualities than women, which can lead to more violent or impulsive and more successful attempts.
Men are also more likely to have alcohol involved with their suicides than women, which could be a factor.
I think there's definitely a key factor here of gender roles/societal norms, that whole implicit bias thing. Men are expected to be more violent, gunslinging, committed, and so on. Women are expected to be more passive, calculating, and so on. Maybe subconsciously, that's a factor.
I don't know. It's interesting.
You find it unlikely, but so far in history it has only been done on the unarmed.
Right, I'm having a rough time arguing this because I don't support disarming people, because that's a stupid idea if you want freedom.
They can only interview survivors. Women are less likely to succeed because they aren't motivated as much. They will represent the greater number of people who have attempted suicide but failed. If you combine the attempted with the completed suicides you will get a different picture.
"These gun laws will stop few suicides. If they can't get a gun, they will kill themselves another way."
Actually no, every statistic ever made on the subject has shown that you are far safer without a gun than with one. Anyone looking objectively can find that easily. “Actually, among gun owners, a smaller proportion say that they had attempted suicide. So it’s not that gun owners are more suicidal. It’s that they’re more likely to die in the event that they become suicidal, because they are using a gun.” (source: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/guns-and-suicide-the-hidden-toll/) )
"Obama and the Democrat party are total control fanatics wanting to take our guns one step at a time so they can control the masses. THAT'S IT!"
And what exactly is the benefit of owning a gun? They have never reduced crime, they have never kept people safer. Hell the most realistic argument I've heard regarding guns is "guns are fun." Obama is trying to stop deaths from happening because of guns, cut the conspiracy theory bullshit, you aren't being oppressed.
You are a control freak idiot. If I was trying to ban your right to drink alcohol, how would you feel about that?
People who like to drink alcohol would have a right to be very angry with idiot politicians trying to ban what they like to do. Idiot Politicians will say you shoud glady give up your rights to own alcohol because it will save lives. Can your simple moronic brain grasp the lunacy of their argument?
Nah, you are too much a gun hating hypocrite to understand it is wrong to take away another's right to own guns for target shooting, or hunting, or protecting his family. People die from many many different activities and we don't try to ban those activities.
Can you be such an idiot not to get that simple point?
First of all, AD FUCKING HOMINEM. You failed to provide A SINGLE refutation to my points.
Secondly, if you were trying to ban my right to drink alcohol I would encourage it with open arms. Alcohol kills, a lot. Arguably more so than guns.
I would support the measure completely, although it unfortunately wouldn't work because alcohol has been ingrained into our society to such an extent that it would never pass. I personally do not drink because it is a dumb idea, not regularly at least. So now that that mess is out of the way, do you have any real arguments to pose?
LOL, what a pathetic liar! You would scream just as most hypocritical gun control fanatics would scream if Conserativers tried to ban acohol(which they would never do becasue they believe in freedoms). If you would not scream then it just shows what a pathetic puppet you are to so easily allow others to take your freedoms.
I guess guns are not ingrained into our society? Fool!
Again, you have failed to provide a single response (suggesting you don't have one) and instead have chosen to say that I would oppose the banning of alcohol. A point which I utterly made clear that I would not, if alcohol would be banned that would be a good thing.
"which they would never do because they believe in freedoms"
Freedoms huh? What about abortion rights? LGBTQ marriages? Separation of church and state? You pick and choose your "freedoms" because of tradition. I pick and choose them because of facts. Facts which you have failed to dispute (twice)
"I guess guns are not ingrained into our society?"
It isn't that they are not ingrained into society, its that society is finally starting to realize that owning guns is not only a dumb idea but a dangerous one. I would agree that alcohol is too, but the fact that something bad hasn't been done away with is no justification to not have something else bad done away with.
Oh I get it now. Whatever YOU think is a good freedom to give up, it is ok. So tell me, in all your God like arrogance to take freedoms away from people, which activities(that people die from) should we ban? Guns, alcohol, cigarretes, fatty foods, mountain climbing, swimming, boating, etc.
Which activities do you like that some people die from? Do you like to go boating or swimming? PEOPLE DIE FROM THOSE ACTIVITIES! Ban them!
What kind of fanatics think they have the right to take away other's freedoms.
The difference is that A: more people die from guns for all of those except for alcohol B: people kill others with guns and injure others with guns and C: guns were INVENTED to kill people
Guns were invented to protect people and to more easily hunt and feed themselves! The people on the Left will lie. Like always, the control fanatics on the Left want to transform Ameria and force everyone to give up our freedoms for the sake of their PC beliefs.
Guns are for whatever we want to legally use them for, it is our rights to own them no matter the control fanatics trying to ban them. Remember prohibition? People ike you don't have a clue.
Do you want another civil war? Progressives are such control fanatics, they will be the one's ushering in another civil war.
Yes but that doesn't take into account the amount of illegal activities guns are used for , interesting you call anyone who wants to save life a ” control fanatic " .
What has prohibition got to do with a debate on guns ?
People like me have got a clue are you saying guns make for a better society ?
Would the introduction of guns into countries like mine improve society and if so how ?
Do You want more gun deaths ?
People like you drag society back and do not care about gun deaths, all you care about is this ridiculous so called right to bear arms .
WHY DO MENTAL PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GUNS? WHY DO PEOPLE WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD HAVE THE RIGHT TO GUNS? WHY DO CLINICALLY EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GUNS?!
No, I believe criminals shoud not be able to buy guns(I'm not talking about jay walking here). Do you see how the law would have to be very specific?
I do not beieve a crazy person, where a trained doctor declares him dangerous, should be able to buy a gun but this opens a very complicated door of how to address these situations.
You listen to our liar and cheif spew pure rhetoric how he just wants back ground checks on crazy people. Sounds good till you look at the details of his plan and then you see the rest of the story(kind of like obamacare).
First thing you find out is that the Doctor must notify the police and the home owner where the crazy person lives. The home owner will now have to have special rules about his gun ownership and guess what happens then? They don't take the person who needs mental help to the doctors because of involving the police and what other people must now be forced to do about their guns.
The law would actually have the opposite effect of getting help for the person with mental problems.
It is never as simple as the gun control fanatics would have you believe.
My solution is OBVIOUS. Look at history. Look at America 60 years ago when crazy people were not mass killing children in schools. We had far less gun laws back then and we had none of these senseless mass shootings of innocent children. SO OBVIOUSLY THE GUN LAWS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM OR THE SOLUTION!
So what do sane people do when a culture changes and we now have these types of atrosities against others? We must address the core reasons for the changes in our cuture and the changes that led to this moral decline.
I constantly speak to the moral breakdown in our culture, in our famiies and the harm it has done to our children. We are raising up dsyfunctional kids who feel abandoned when their parents walk out on them, and feel no one loves them. Hence the gangs where kids join to feel some semblance of a family. Hence the drug use to take our children's minds off their depression. Hence the medication to control the depression in so many kids today. Have you ever listened to the side effects of these drugs doctors are prescribing to people? Depression, suicide, maybe killing others etc. are the side effects. These are the issues we as a nation must address.
But there in lies the problem. Those on the Left hate the very notion of the breakdown in moral values being the culprit. They use every tragedy to push their anti gun agendas which DOES NOTHING to solve the problem. They use every tragedy to push for more social programs, spend more money on schools, put more bandaids on the problems but NEVER EVER addressing the cores reasons for all these problems.
When Christians and Conservatives address the moral breakdown in our culture, they are ridiculed and laughed at by those on the Left. There in lies the problem. If the Left refuses to address these moral issues but rather attack those who do, the problem will never be solved. The Left has been so bent on separating any mention of Christian values in public and then scratch their heads over what is going on. UNBELIEVABLE!
Secondly, by "PC" I'm assuming you mean politically correct, which A: is a concept which I despise and B: is a concept which has absolutely nothing to do with this argument.
As per the norm from you, while failing to provide any coherent arguments you have withdrawn into Ad Hominem insults which do nothing but hurt your position overall. Guns need to go, they do not help anyone, and they hurt many.
LOL, you say guns do not help anyone? What a fool!
I guess you miss all the stories of people who survived an attack in their homes because they had a gun and killed the intruder. I guess that gun did not help them.
Many people in this world live off the meat from animals they kill with a gun. I guess it does not help them. They don't need food right?
Many people get much enjoyment target shooting but because of idiots like you, they should find another hobbies.
You are the very arrogant controlling kind of people we must keep out of Government AT ALL COSTS!
Firstly, please provide a statistic that says more people have survived an attack because of guns than people that have been killed accidentally because of guns.
Secondly, "many people around the world" are completely irrelevant to this debate because we are talking about people IN AMERICA. A place where virtually no one hunts for food exclusively, and definitely not one where that extreme minority (if existent) group of people should be held above the safety of everyone else.
Thirdly, yes they should find other hobbies, "much enjoyment" is very much irrelevant.
Don't be a hypocrite, you're more arrogant than I am on virtually every level.
"I've wasted enough time with someone who can not grasp the importance of freedoms from idiots who would take them."
I totally agree that you are an idiot, although it is besides the point (not that you say much that isn't.)
You haven't answered my points with anything more than saying "you're wrong," entirely missing the important part of "here's why" suggesting that you not only don't know how to dispute, but that you agree they are valid points.
Also no, I don't remember prohibition, I was born in 2000 (yes, you are losing an argument to a fifteen year old). Now, do I acknowledge that prohibition failed? Yes I do, completely, my arguments against alcohol were purely hypothetical because if it were to work that would be great. You, on the other hand, tried to use them in the literal sense as if it is a fair comparison (which it isn't).
Thanks for giving me your age. I now understand your total ignorance to life. I will put you on my ban list. I have better things to do than waste time debating a child.
Now i want you to be sure and keep listening and believing the Left wing progressive values system, and then when you get some girl pregnant, just walk away from your child. That's the new no fault morals of this bigoted anti God culture. Don't worry about destroying her life, you have a right to create unwed mothers living off tax payers, but we have no rights to guns. LOL what fools!
So because they won't stop the most agregious and heinous crimes they shouldn't be passed? Even if they help prevent just a small number of deaths it isn't worth it? Who the fuck cares if it won't stop the major gun violence. If it means 2,000 people are prevented from dying in other gun related ways then that makes it worth it. I'm tired of right wingers claiming that if gun legislation doesn't perfectly curb all gun violence then it isn't worth passing.
More people screened = more red flags detected = less sales to people who shouldnt have them = decline in gun homicides and gun suicides. Not a hard concept.
In Obie's fake tears speech yesterday did you hear one word about suicide ? He shed the fake tears for the victims of Sandy Hook ! So again please explain how his new gun control measures will work for those wanting to commit mass murder with firearms !
Who are you kidding? Do you honestly think if a person wants to commit suicide, and can not find a gun, he will not kill himself a million other ways such as sleeping pills, hanging, jumpng off cliff, etc. etc. etc.
(CNN)President Barack Obama grew emotional Tuesday as he made a passionate call for a national "sense of urgency" to limit gun violence.
He was introduced by Mark Barden, whose son Daniel was killed in the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. Obama circled back to that shooting in the final moments of his speech.
So tell me how the gun controls measures will prevent mass shootings ?
(CNN)President Barack Obama grew emotional Tuesday as he made a passionate call for a national "sense of urgency" to limit gun violence.
And suicides are a kind of violence.
He was introduced by Mark Barden, whose son Daniel was killed in the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. Obama circled back to that shooting in the final moments of his speech.
It wouldn't be the first time Obama did something wrong.
So tell me how the gun controls measures will prevent mass shootings ?
You should really stop believing everything Obama says. He isn't a good president. I don't know why you liberals suck his dick so much.
I am sorry that the Clinton News Network doesn't support reality. If you can't handle the facts you should continue to go to your liberal haven of CNN so that facts never get to you. The rest of us will stick with the facts.
But, since you can't do your own research and you love Obama so much, he said something close enough for you to throw it in the faces of the pro gun people that you hate.
'"We know we can't stop every act of violence, every act of evil in the world. But maybe we could try to stop one act of evil, one act of violence," he added.'
You can twist that to fit your BS that the president wants to prevent suicides since he talked about any evil. You can pretend that Obama thinks that his executive order may not accomplish much, but us normal people know that Obama thinks his executive order will help with mass shootings. You liberals are good at believing what you want to believe, so keep doing it.
"He says that in Connecticut, gun deaths dropped 40 percent after the state began requiring background checks and gun safety courses — while in Missouri, gun deaths rose to almost 50 percent above the national average after the state repealed gun control laws on background checks and permits."
How many times will I have to point out what you are looking for before you stop? I did your research for you. What more do you want from me?
The slate article is incredibly short. It doesn't cover everything about Obama's speech. It was too short to cover anything, so it is ridiculous to use it to back up your claim that Obama is a great guy.
How does new gun control measures prevent mass shootings ?
Mass shootings are shootings where 4 people get shot. It isn't a crazy assumption to believe that reducing shootings will also reduce mass shootings.
Of course not, outlaw. Obama himself has said that.
In like manner, DUI laws do not "stop" drunk drivers from killing innocent people. Drivers tests do not guarantee that a person will drive safely and not kill anyone. Making certain drugs illegal does not mean it will stop people from taking them. However, can you imagine what it would be like if we didn't do SOMETHING to protect ourselves??
Building a wall across the Mexican border will NOT stop illegal immigration, but, many of those who think gun regulation will not be at all effective, think THAT will be. They are correct about one thing, there's a LOT of people with "mental problems" in this country, and many of them carry guns! Lets find as many of them as we can.
The "feel good thing" for you rightists is that all, or most. of our gon NUTS have mental problems. Why does America seem to have more people with "mental problems" than any other country on Earth?? Could it be that having guns available TO them allows them to "express their mental problems" more easily???
"Obama's gun control measures" are simply his reading of the control measures wanted by over 60% of NRA members and another 20+% of the rest of the population. NEVER has he mentioned "Taking away our guns"! He HAS mentioned several times that he has NO INTENTION of taking away our guns (Notice I say "OUR guns"), I have several, always HAVE had. I was a proud member of the NRA for years. If they had not gone radical, I still would be, and I would be part of that 60%.
WHY do you think America has more "mental health problems" than the rest of the world???
It certainly won't stop mass killings. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland where the sale of guns is prohibited unless the buyer has been vetted and issued with a license. We've just past another anniversary of the killing of 11 Protestant workers which was in revenge of the murder of 6 Roman Catholics the day before. These mass killings were only two of a series of mass killings by those who obtained their weapons illegally. The onion man wants to think again.
My solution is OBVIOUS. Look at history. Look at America 60 years ago when crazy people were not mass killing children in schools. We had far less gun laws back then and we had none of these senseless mass shootings of innocent children. SO OBVIOUSLY THE GUN LAWS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM OR THE SOLUTION!
So what do sane people do when a culture changes and we now have these types of atrosities against others? We must address the core reasons for the changes in our cuture and the changes that led to this moral decline.
I constantly speak to the moral breakdown in our culture, in our famiies and the harm it has done to our children. We are raising up dsyfunctional kids who feel abandoned when their parents walk out on them, and feel no one loves them. Hence the gangs where kids join to feel some semblance of a family. Hence the drug use to take our children's minds off their depression. Hence the medication to control the depression in so many kids today. Have you ever listened to the side effects of these drugs doctors are prescribing to people? Depression, suicide, maybe killing others etc. are the side effects. These are the issues we as a nation must address.
But there in lies the problem. Those on the Left hate the very notion of the breakdown in moral values being the culprit. They use every tragedy to push their anti gun agendas which DOES NOTHING to solve the problem. They use every tragedy to push for more social programs, spend more money on schools, put more bandaids on the problems but NEVER EVER addressing the cores reasons for all these problems.
When Christians and Conservatives address the moral breakdown in our culture, they are ridiculed and laughed at by those on the Left. There in lies the problem. If the Left refuses to address these moral issues but rather attack those who do, the problem will never be solved. The Left has been so bent on separating any mention of Christian values in public and then scratch their heads over what is going on. UNBELIEVABLE!
Like I always say, it's all about politics. Those on the Left can not be that blind. They know what is going on in our culture and they use it to further their political goals. They love touting big government programs as the solutions to all our problems in this nation. They are corrupt liars who want the people dependent on Government and thereby creating a voting block for those who keep giving them their freebies.
